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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 633
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Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 05:58 am:   

THE MAGAZINE OF
FANTASY & SCIENCE FICTION
July ē 59th Year of Publication

NOVELLAS
The Roberts -45- Michael Blumlein

NOVELETS
Fullbrimís Finding -6- Matthew Hughes
Poison Victory -121- Albert E. Cowdrey

SHORT STORIES
Reader's Guide -36- Lisa Goldstein
Enfant Terrible -105- Scott Dalrymple
The Dinosaur Train -142- James L. Cambias

DEPARTMENTS
Books to Look For -26- Charles de Lint
Books -30- James Sallis
Plumage from Pegasus: Galley Knaves -101- Paul Di Filippo
Films: Superpowers Do Not a Superhero Make -114- Kathi Maio
Coming Attractions -120-
Curiosities -162- F. Gwynplaine MacIntyre

Cartoons: Bill Long (104).
COVER BY MONDOLITHIC STUDIOS FOR "THE ROBERTS"
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 634
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Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 06:04 am:   

We're going to do another promotional giveaway with this issue. There's a box of copies of this issue on its way to me and I'd like to give away the copies people who will blog about the issue. So here's the deal:

1) Go to our "Contact Us" page: http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/contact.htm

2) Tell us where to mail your copy of the issue.

3) Receive the issue and blog about it. Naturally, we prefer if you read the issue before blogging about it, but I'm just insisting that you blog about it. (The first time we tried this promotion, people mistakenly thought they should blog about the magazine before receiving the issue. No. Get the issue first, then blog about it.)

4) Send us a link to your blog.

That's all there is to it. I'll post here when we run out of the giveaway copies.

Spread the word!
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Shamm
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Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 02:34 pm:   

Cool cover art, too.
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Roy
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Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 03:49 pm:   

http://thefix-online.com/reviews/fsf-june-2008/ for a review of the issue
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Roy
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Post Number: 40
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Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 03:50 pm:   

Sorry that link is the June issue, mouse fatigue.
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Scott_dalrymple
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 07:58 am:   

Gordon now reports that the giveaway copies have been given away, and the promotion is over.
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Crotchetyoldfan
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 05:17 pm:   

I've just finished a blog entry on the July 2008 issue - the first, but not the last.

You can see it at: http://crotchetyoldfan.wordpress.com/

The response email I received from Andrew Grossman sent me over here to post about it; if you folks are working together, I'd suggest changing the registration requirements or providing an open thread, since a lot of people may be deterred by the registration requirement.

Thanks for the PR for the blog, and I'll let you know when the next entry regarding F&SF goes up.
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 636
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 06:30 pm:   

Here are three blogs we've seen already:

And a third: http://www.spacetimestories.com

http://yhlee.livejournal.com/1134522.html

http://shallowthoughtsfromiowa.blogspot.com/2008/05/july-2008-issue-of-fantasy-s cience.html
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Matt_hughes
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Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 04:20 am:   

Here's another: http://sueo2.livejournal.com/2280.html

Matt Hughes
www.archonate.com
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 05:39 am:   

And another: http://dalewriting.dhemery.com/2008/05/fsfjuly2008/
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 639
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Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 12:51 pm:   

Another one: http://www.bugpowderdust.co.uk/blog/?p=88
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Ahmedakhan
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Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 11:16 am:   

And another (mine): http://ahmedakhan.livejournal.com
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Aethercowboy
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Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 06:35 pm:   

Mine:

http://aethercowboy.livejournal.com/40098.html and crossposted at http://jacobsilvia.blogspot.com/2008/05/fantasy-and-science-fiction-july-2008.ht ml
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 08:32 am:   

Another: http://will-couvillier.livejournal.com/23730.html
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 643
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Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 10:07 am:   

I think this one's the tenth we've seen: http://www.ameliorations.us/?p=421
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 06:29 pm:   

And here's another: http://fantasyscifibookreview.blogspot.com/2008/05/magazine-review-f-sf-july-200 8.html
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Fabrice_d
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Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:03 am:   

Blogs are good but the real thing is better!!! When will I receive my July issue?

I note that Bob Reed has disappeared after 3 issues in a row? Fortunately Cowdrey and Hughes are there. And I can't wait for the Cambias story ("balancing accounts" was very good).
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 647
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Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 06:06 pm:   

Fabrice, the July issues shipped on time so your copy should arrive about a month after you got your June issue.

Robert Reed will be back soon.
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 648
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Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 06:06 pm:   

Here's another blog about this issue: http://www.ryumaou.com/hoffman/netgeek/?p=1476
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Post Number: 649
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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 06:08 am:   

Another blogger speaks: http://heidi2524.livejournal.com/7578.html
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 05:43 am:   

Here's a provocative one: http://www.wetasphalt.com/?q=node/338
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 11:24 am:   

Another: http://bosswriter.livejournal.com/45417.html
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 09:00 pm:   

And another: http://reading.kingrat.biz/archives/676
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 05:52 am:   

Here's the latest: http://darkwolfsfantasyreviews.blogspot.com/2008/05/fantasy-science-fiction-maga zine-july.html
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 06:57 pm:   

Here's another blog: http://j-d-finch.livejournal.com/72774.html?mode=reply
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Matt_hughes
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Post Number: 155
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 06:47 am:   

I am bemused by the widely different takes the bloggers have on each of the stories. It tells me that writing to try to match the market is like trying to shoot down gnats in a swarm.

Better to write what you like to write and hope that a few gnats crash into it and burn.

Okay, so I took the metaphor farther than it could be expected to travel. I'm having an off day.

Matt Hughes
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Scott_dalrymple
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 02:04 pm:   

Well said. My wife laughed at me the other day when I read one review and said, "Hey, here's somebody who actually gets what I was trying for!" No matter what, at least there's that one I guess. Here's hoping that the LOCUS reviewers are kind.
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Robert_brown
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Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 10:38 am:   

I don't take exception to comments on individual stories, but the "provocative" reviewer at wetasphalt generalizes about the quality of F&SF from the contents of one issue, deciding the magazine is a waste of his time/money. That's a bit hasty. He doesn't stop there. From a single issue of a single magazine, he condemns sf/fantasy as being too derivative, or timid, or whatever his specific beefs are. He does praise Strange Horizons, and some others, so it's not everyone who's to blame, apparently, which is good to know. I'm just not sure what the perps are being blamed for.

Anyway, I understand that people make snap judgments, first impressions, etc. But aren't thoughtful people supposed to be more generous? Jeez man, the broad brush you're painting with is too large an instrument.

My bold suggestion is that you should read a year of a magazine before you can properly pass judgment on it, let alone an entire genre.

You're welcome to condemn the sf/fantasy field collectively, of course, for whatever transgression you imagine sf/fantasy to be responsible for, or whatever failings sf/fantasy may possess which are causing widespread social ills. Everyone else does, why not you? But you should probably use more than a couple of stories that didn't work for you to argue your points.

Everytime I think I'm too cranky, I come across someone's blog, and realize either I'm relatively even-tempered, or crankiness is a general malaise I suffer in concert with a whole heck of a lot of other people.

I blame science fiction.
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 12:43 pm:   

There's more discussion with Wet Asphalt (his name is Eric) starting here,
http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&replies=40 and then going on to the next page.
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Robert_brown
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Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:51 pm:   

Yeah, Eric sounds a little dissatisfied. Better stories? Man. Can't please them all, I guess.

So, Gordon, you think '06-'07 is your best stretch? Some good stories in there, for sure.

My perfect world? Each issue of F&SF would be a "double-sized" issue, and there'd be twelve issues per year. And Gardner would be back at a digest-sized Asimov's with 13 issues per year, all "special double" issues. There'd be stories by Ian MacLeod, Lucius Shepard, Michael Bishop, Neal Barrett Jr, Terry Bisson, R Garcia y Robertson, Michael Swanwick, Jeffrey Ford, and Howard Waldrop (among others) appearing on a regular basis.

Oh, and R A Lafferty would still be alive, turning out fine stories.

Oh, and I'd have time to read them all, and they'd all be famous, and paid $5 per word for their stories, and Asimov's and F&SF would have circulations in the tens of millions, and Howard Waldrop would be a regular guest on the talk shows, and...

Sorry. I'm feeling irascible tonight.

Science fiction is dead; long live science fiction.
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 08:17 am:   

Time always distorts these judgments, but yes, I think the 2006-2007 stretch is my best run as editor . . . so far.
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 08:18 am:   

Another blogger's entry is here: http://marfisk.blogspot.com/2008/05/magazine-of-fantasy-science-fiction.html
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 05:59 am:   

Sam Tomiano's review at SFRevu.com is up: http://www.sfrevu.com/php/Review-id.php?id=7469
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Matt_hughes
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Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 10:19 am:   

It's an interesting question that Eric raises: that originality should be the prime determinant in art, as if the quality of being new ought to outweigh all other attributes of form and content.

I consciously work within an established tradition of old-fashioned storytelling. I am aware that the breed of critics to whom the phrase "plot-free novel" is not an oxymoron (I saw that in the Globe and Mail book pages a few years back), disparage such a fusty old approach. But it seems to me that the "literary novel" of these days is no more than an extended character sketch ornamented by some densely poetic prose that is intended to draw attention to itself rather than to any underlying substance. It represents a conscious rejection of story.

Human beings have been telling each other stories since before we were, technically, human. The need for stories appears to have been wired into us -- along with the tendency to gossip -- as one of the qualities that differentiate us from other apes. So I expect that the present phase of nonstories, in which nothing much happens but the prose careers back and forth between the exquisite and the impenetrable, will pass. Though god knows what the innovation-addicted will foist upon us afterwards.

Eventually, however, we will get back to stories. A tradition that dates from back before Gilgamesh can't be that easy to overturn.

Matt Hughes
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 06:16 am:   

Matt, I thought Eric R.'s posts were very good in that they expressed most clearly what he values in fiction, but I too disagreed with his priorities.

The whole idea of what constitutes "originality" in fiction is a bit suspect, in my opinion. For instance, Eric cited one writer (I won't name any names) who wrote a novel with some fantastic elements to it. I showed that author a review of his book that basically said none of the fantastic elements are handled logically or consistently and the author replied, "Has this reviewer never read Kafka? Does this reviewer have no grasp of metaphor?"

I thought that was a fair response to a fair review---but more to the point, I think it highlights some of Eric's priorities. He clearly values metaphor and symbolism over literalism. And that's fine by me. But is a book that works in the tradition of Kafka's THE TRIAL and THE CASTLE more "original" than a book that works in the tradition of Tolkien's LORD OF THE RINGS?
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 06:17 am:   

Here's another blog about this issue: http://agilebrit.livejournal.com/488380.html
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 11:45 am:   

Another entry: http://julieandrews.livejournal.com/25947.html
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Matt_hughes
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Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 12:31 pm:   

And another review: http://scififantasyfiction.suite101.com/article.cfm/fsf_july_2008_reviewed

Matt Hughes
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 07:50 pm:   

Thanks for posting that one, Matt.

Here's Lois Tilton at IROSF.com: http://irosf.com/q/zine/article/10427#fsf07
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 07:38 am:   

Another blogger contributes: http://dankoboldt.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/first-look-at-the-magazine-of-fantasy -scifi/
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Roy
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Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 09:42 am:   

http://thefix-online.com/reviews/fsf-july-2008/

Praise there along with Reviews of Strange Horizons and Orson Scott Cardís Intergalactic Medicine Show, #8, April 2008
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 07:29 pm:   

Another blog entry about the issue: http://joesherry.blogspot.com/2008/06/fantasy-science-fiction-july-2008.html
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Matt_hughes
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Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 05:05 am:   

I showed that author a review of his book that basically said none of the fantastic elements are handled logically or consistently and the author replied, "Has this reviewer never read Kafka? Does this reviewer have no grasp of metaphor?"

The funny thing that's struck me about the reviews of "Fullbrim's Finding" is that no one seems to have made the connection to the myth of Prometheus -- especially since my reworking of it puts Hapthorn in the unlikely role of Hercules.

Matt Hughes
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 07:27 am:   

Promethe-who?
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 07:27 am:   

Here's another blog: http://emjay-dee.livejournal.com/29066.html
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Byron_bailey
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Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 08:15 pm:   

Prometheus? I know him. He's that Greek chef who works over at King Gyros. He makes a mean gyro and baclava. If you want to see how great of a chef he truly is, ask for the liver. Magnifique! Just don't talk to him much. Keep him busy at the grill. Otherwise, he'll start jabbering that he's going to give you fire when you didn't even ask for a light and then before you know it, the napkins in all of the napkin holders are on fire.

It ain't no fun walking out of a faux-Greek restaurant with greasy hands because all of the napkins have been charred.
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Marian
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Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 04:29 pm:   

You asked Prometheus for liver!!! Feel lucky all he did was char the napkins!
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Blue_tyson
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Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 07:15 pm:   

I think you would only match the market and have lots more people like it if you were writing for The Magazine Of Fantasy and Science Fiction by Matt Hughes, Matt. :-)


On this issue, though :-

How can you not like dinosaur doctoring? :-)

http://notfreesf.blogspot.com/2008/05 cience-fiction-674-gordon.html
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Bigdumbobject
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Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 03:54 am:   

Here's my review of the issue on Big Dumb Object:

http://bigdumbobject.co.uk/2008/05/fsf-july-2008.html
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Blue_tyson
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Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 06:35 pm:   

Or even this, let's see. DOH.

http://notfreesf.blogspot.com/2008/05/fantasy-and-science-fiction-674-gordon.htm l

Be hard to top your 2007 I'd think, Gordon? Certainly like to see it if you do! :-)
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 06:48 am:   

I'm doing my best to top '07, Blue. September issue (at the printer now) looks good and the Oct/Nov double issue is shaping up nicely. too.
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 06:16 pm:   

Here's a blog from overseas about this issue: http://zhaobotong.blogspot.com/2008/06/mag-of-fsf-july-2008.html
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Suffolk_fella
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Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 01:27 am:   

Haven't had time to read the issue yet, or the blogs... Does the cover art remind anyone else of those old Earth, Wind & Fire albums, circa 1980?
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Fabrice_d
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Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 12:28 pm:   

Began reading the july issue. Matt Hughes story is pleasant enough, even though the mood was a bit light, given the philosophical and metaphysical dimension of Haphorn's discovery. Old Earth intellectual fatigue, or a blasť character? A good introduction to my reading my UN-limited edition of The Spiral Labyrinth.

Lisa Goldstein's Reader's Guide is a jewel of the purest water. Delightful. Although I generally prefer longer stories, that one will clearly make it into my best of 2008.

Happy to read that Gordon thinks he can do better as editor than his 2006/07 self. But the challenge will be hard!
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Gordon_van_gelder
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Posted on Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 06:50 pm:   

Here's an unfavorable but completely fair blog review of this issue: http://keilexandra.livejournal.com/163718.html. It's a good example of an unfavorable review that I find helpful. I can see what hit and what missed and I have pretty good guides for gauging why.

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