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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 08:42 pm:   

The Man Who Painted the Dragon Griaule
The Jaguar Hunter
A Spanish Lesson
Salvador
R & R
Only Partly Here
Radiant Green Star
Dead Money
Stars Seen Through Stone
Life of Buddha
Shades
Delta Sly Honey
Jailwise
The Arceovoalo
White Trains
Jack's Decline
Beast of the Heartland

That's the tentative TOC for Sub Press's the best of Lucius --

there may be one or two stories added.

In addition, the limited edition will be accompanied by a 250 - 300 page trade paperback containing further uncollected stories.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 08:48 pm:   

Oh, yeah...the hardback will be about 630 pages.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 08:59 pm:   

Do you know what this is going to cost yet?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:15 pm:   

No clue, sorry.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:16 pm:   

But you could check on the Sub site and see what he charges for other retrospectives and get some idea that way...
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Jeffrey Ford
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:18 pm:   

No "Hands Up Who Wants To Die?" What the F...
Looks pretty good anyway, though. Is there a proposed pub. date?
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:25 pm:   

Sounds as though this could be offered in three versions. Hope the limited is $125 or less.


Hope that Vacancy and Eternity and Afterward make appearances.

Sort of wished that it was a 2 volume set now that I think about it. The second volume could end with 2006. This would leave room for additional future volumes.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:28 pm:   

"see what he charges for other retrospectives and get some idea that way"

Some of those books are in excess of $500...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:37 pm:   

Jeff, it's late summer 2008. The story choices are mostly Bill's. I think I managed to shove three stories in. I'd have Hands Up, A Traveler's Tale, etc. I only like one story out of the Jaguar Hunter.

PM, it is what it is, man. We'll do another sometime.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:38 pm:   

Well, I doubt he'll charge 500 for me.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:45 pm:   

cool, 'jailwise' is there. i always liked 'over yonder' a lot, too.

it looks good, though.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:50 pm:   

Yeah, I got that one in. THe TOC is tentative, but I think it'd be hard to pull Schaffer off the early stories...
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:02 pm:   

i haven't read the older stuff--just a bit like 'barnacle bill'. i always prefered the newer stuff, but i guess collections like TRUJILLO and THE DAGGER KEY cover them...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:08 pm:   

Yup. And we're well on a way to a third colletion of new stuff. Some of the older junk is decent. I like a Traveler's Tale and R&R...
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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:08 pm:   

Jeff Ford said:

>>No "Hands Up Who Wants To Die?" What the F...
>>Looks pretty good anyway, though.

Ha. I was going to say the same thing!
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:09 pm:   

The Jaguar Hunter is a great read.

I prefer collections that have at least some new material but I can understand the need for a greatest hits package.

Ben, someone needs to collect your stories.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:11 pm:   

Maybe "Hands Up Who Wants to Die?" will make the cut...
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:13 pm:   

i dig those big collections of new stuff, man. all happy to see them coming.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:14 pm:   

Yeah, well...it's a weird bunch of stuff. But hey, one day I'll do maybe an author's choice amd include E&A, Hands Up, and the new Maceo Story, Queer Street AKA Bad Hair Day.... :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:16 pm:   

Ben, someone needs to collect your stories.

not much interest in that, i imagine. besides, there's a bunch i'm happy to let disappear :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:16 pm:   

The cut has been made, PM. Maybe one or two stories will be added, but they won't be novellas.

Thanks, Ben...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:19 pm:   

"there's a bunch i'm happy to let disappear"

Tell you the truth, I wish the whole fucking Jaguar Hunter would disappear. :-) But yeah, I know what you mean.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:21 pm:   

Yes all those novellas do present something of a single volume challenge.

An author's choice volume sounds good.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:24 pm:   

"I wish the whole fucking Jaguar Hunter would disappear"

Some things will never be put to rest :-)

Well at least we don't mention here that much...
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:25 pm:   

haha. i've never read JAGUAR HUNTER--didn't you get a world fantasy for that?

attrition on your own work can be a lovely thing some days :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:25 pm:   

Yup. We'll work on that.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:30 pm:   

Yeah, ben. It did win awards, I had on the emperors new clothes and had a glow over my head then, and there are some stories I like, but all in all I wish it would go away, because some of my readers got stuck on that book and keep telling me that I should write more stories like those and don't recognize that I am, just better in most instances...

But then it's not that big a deal.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:35 pm:   

there're worse things, yeah :-)
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:35 pm:   

But aren't you experiencing a bit of the same with Trujillo (the collection)?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:40 pm:   

Ben, I'm expecting a whole new wave of popularity with the publication of Dogeared Paperback of My Life. :-)

PM, it's not the same. The Jaguar Hunter was a fairly well known book. Trujillo was a britsh limited edition hardback.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:46 pm:   

Trujillo seems to be the new benchmark though.

My prediction is that your popularity will increase over time...i.e. when your work joins college English intro anthologies. And that is one major advantage to writing short works...
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:48 pm:   

i can only see it winning you new friends :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:50 pm:   

Well, by then I'll be seeking the bardo, looking for the red light of rebirth...so its no big woof.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:51 pm:   

My prediction is that your popularity will increase over time...i.e. when your work joins college English intro anthologies.

i.e. when you're dead :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:52 pm:   

:-)

I'll have to analyze that statement for hidden meaning. Actually, I'm about 17000 words into the thing and I like it quite a bit so far. But new friends...I can scarcely wait!
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:53 pm:   

Yeah, I got it. ;0
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:57 pm:   

i look forward to it. how long you reckon it'll be?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 11:01 pm:   

About 30K. Maybe a little longer. I may have to severely edit a couple of scenes.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 11:04 pm:   

Nothing legally jeopardizing one hopes...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 04:17 am:   

Don't think so, but you never know...
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 04:01 pm:   

Just noticed this thread - the toc looks good (glad 'White Trains' made the cut).

Lucius, picking up on your comment about the popularity of The Jaguar Hunter in comparison to Trujillo - how'd the Eternity and Other Stories pb colection factor into that, if at all? It featured, what, about half of the contents of the PS collection, and I'm guessing it would have been easier for more people to get a hold of than the limited edition hardback.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 04:16 pm:   

It didn't seem to change much. But that's the genre for you. Thet decide you're one thing and that's what you are. Or maybe that what everything is these days. Like I said, it's no big thing.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 04:40 pm:   

So the stratospheric rise of Lucius Shepard to the dizzy heights of the global literary glitterati isn't going to be happening any time soon?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 04:59 pm:   

Gønna be delayed a bit...

:-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 05:24 pm:   

Well, there's an upside to everything - at least if you stick around down here in the murky depths of genre you'll probably never make it onto some celebrity's book-of-the-month list. (Or is that what every writer secretly yearns for? One of those big sparkly 'read-this-and-you'll-be-one-of-us!' stickers plastered onto the cover of the latest glossy paperback...)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 05:35 pm:   

I yearn for money. Period.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 05:48 pm:   

In that case, I'd scrap the edit on The Dogeared Paperback; the more scandalous the better. You'll rake it in...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 05:50 pm:   

That's just a novella -- I'm doing it for....some reason I can't remember. ;)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 06:01 pm:   

Oh, okay. Good title for a biography though. There might've been a movie in it. The actor who played you might've got an Oscar. Plus you could've earned extra beer money by doing the review under a pseudonym.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 06:14 pm:   

It's too dark for a movie. But...who can say?
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 06:26 pm:   

It would probably be sanitized out of all recognition anyway. But "too dark"? No, I won't ask...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:02 am:   

Bill says he'll be charging $38-45 for the hardback, around 125 for the limited.
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bill cauthers
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 07:09 pm:   

I'd really like to see the TOC for the trade paper that accompanies the limited. Given some of the things that you've said about some of the uncollected stories, Lucius, I have to wonder if the best title for that volume might be The Worst of LS: Stories You'll Never See Collected Again.

Subterranean has done lettered editions of at least one of their "best of" volumes. I'd be willing to shell out the extra cash to get the extra volume bound up as a hard cover. What can I say I like the stories.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 07:23 pm:   

Well, Bill, that toc hasn't been compiled yet; but when it is you'll see it here. The glassblower's dragon will be one story, that's all i know.


As for the stories, what can I say, once I finish something it's dead to me. Some things are deader than others.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 07:31 pm:   

IMHO, once you finish a story, Lucius, it could have wings forever, or glare balefully from some malodorous slough.

But the suckers aren't dead. :0)
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bill cauthers
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 07:37 pm:   

You have a different perspective on them than the rest of us, I'm sure. For me, I've been seeking them out for twenty years, and some of the more obscure things, Chango, for instance, were real pain in the ass to get a hold of. Maybe the effort required to get a copy to read the first time clouds the experience. Regardless it would be nice to have them collected and sitting on the shelf whether I ever reread them or not.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 07:43 pm:   

Well, thanks Bruce...Bill.

I just as soon not think about them and look ahead. Like they say, Better mus' come....
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 08:51 pm:   

Oh, yeah. There'll be, Biil S says, about two hundred limiteds....
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 09:35 pm:   

There's me and $125 makes one limited...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 09:50 pm:   

Cool...
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:14 pm:   

I'm with Bill. There's a few of the old stories that still stand up tall after twenty years.

The reason I actually had a soft copy of 'Chango' was through the generosity of Bill Cauther...thanks again, man.

Chalk me up for a limited.
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bill cauthers
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:39 am:   

I'm in for a limited for sure, lettered if Bill S. goes that far.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:46 am:   

I'll have to ask him about that...

Thanks, Bill...
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:51 am:   

Yeah, I like the idea of a lettered version with an hc of The Suppressed Stories.

...and after another reread 'Skull City' still styles. Glad it will collected.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:57 am:   

I see copies of the Ice River issue (#4) that has Chango in it on sale on e-bay for under $10 fairly often, if anyone's interested.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:57 am:   

You guys are gluttons for...something? :-)
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 08:09 am:   

Well all this Chango talk has me thinking Nugent...speaking of hunting...

196 to go!

Unless we're all going lettered edition :-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 10:45 am:   

Over on the Subterranean website 'Skull City' is refered to as "stunning." I haven't read it, and it's fairly likely the bonus pb will have others I haven't come across, so I gotta say, the limited edition is sounding more and more enticing...

$125 - that's what £65/70? Lucius, I think you've got another taker...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 10:51 am:   

It's likely that it'll be fifty pounds by the time the publication date rolls around. :-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:07 am:   

In that case I'll take two! :-)
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:10 am:   

Shit, I hate spending that much cash – $125 – on one book, but with a package that enticing – an OOP 200-300 page novel! – count me in too.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:13 am:   

Why not several, alan? :-)

I hope you enjoy it, Kelly. Potter's doing a cover.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:28 am:   

Tell you what, seeing as it isn't out until next year, I'll initiate a programme of indoctrination on all my friends. Come next summer, the guys over at Subterranean won't know what's hit 'em. Though I'll warn you, some of my friends are pretty damned weird. Expect some disturbingly frank fan letters and probably a marriage proposal or two...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:40 am:   

Hey, I might be interested. You never know.... :-)
But seriiously, thanks.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:58 am:   

What can I say, I'm a fan. It's a no-brainer at the end of the day. You keep writing 'em, I'll keep reading 'em...

Good news about J.K. Potter too. He's done a stellar job on the Softspoken cover.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   

Have you sen the Dagger Key cover?
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 12:25 pm:   

Just had a look - Oooo yeah, that one's a keeper.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 12:38 pm:   

Yup, it's really good. Dude's talented.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 12:48 pm:   

And then some. Are you familiar with the illos he did for Ramsey Campbell's Alone with the Horrors collection? Even the b&w versions in the paperback are amazing - creepy and disturbing and fascinating all at the same time. And if memory serves there was one from a certain award-winning collection of yours that really got me, a sort of grinning feral face peering out through jungle foliage...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 12:58 pm:   

Nope, I haven't seen them, but will check. And yeah, the Jaguar Hunter illo...
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 01:18 pm:   

That's the one.

The Campbell collection is definitely worth a look, not least for Potter's artwork.

Ok, it might be one in the afternoon for you but it's seven hours later for me, and some of those wierd friends I mentioned earler want me to come out and play. I'll probably regret it in the morning, but then again, I usually do... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 01:30 pm:   

Have a good one or several...
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 01:25 pm:   

Gee, I get away for a one-week vacation and the news do pile up.
Count me in for the LimEd--even though I have almost all your books.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 01:44 pm:   

Cool, JD. Hope the vacation was good.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:16 am:   

The vacation was fantastic. The kind of off-season, remote island you love so much--but off the coast of Brittany, not Central America. Lots of sun, though. Now, back to work.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 06:53 am:   

Elba? :-)

Well, welcome back!
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 09:24 am:   

Bréhat, the Island without Cars (and internet access ;-))
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 09:52 am:   

Sounds like heaven.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 09:18 am:   

I think we're gonna be able to wedge in Hands Up Who Wants to Die.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 09:26 am:   

That's a happy wedge!
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 09:44 am:   

Sweet! Did I read correctly when you said there could be another Maceo story?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 09:59 am:   

Yup. Titled either Queer Street or Bad Hair Day.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:06 am:   

Kewl. I recall he was in fairly deep shit at the end of 'Hands Up...'

Maybe a stint at Diamond Bar will wake him up? Look forward to it.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:14 am:   

First para -

Some days it just pays to be me.

I'd been on death row for close to three years in Starke, waiting for a ride on Ol' Sparky, and believe me the screws were itching to give me that ride. You know how they get, pretending to be sympathetic, trying to bond with you, saying, "Hell, I don't know what I'd a'done in your shoes, kid," joking around, slipping you extra priviledges so you won't cause no trouble when the time comes for them to jam a tampon up your ass and strap you in. You could see how they like to start humping a table leg whenever they thought about it.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:30 am:   

Whoa. And I thought this was going to be YA :0)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:42 am:   

It isn't YA, but it is kinda blackly funny.

He gets out of prison on a tecnicality, During his time in prison, he's married a cosmetician from Deland, Fla--she's not that thrilled that he's out, and he's not thrilled with her, though she's a babe, because her freinds are all gay guys...

A story ensues.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:55 am:   

Hands Up is definitely in the book. :-)
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 10:48 am:   

Again, kewl!

Any further updates on the ToC for the trade paperback, Lucius? Inquriring minds and all that :0)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 11:39 am:   

There won't be any updates for a while. Bill has to go through the material. But Skull City and Glassblower are in.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 12:08 pm:   

Thanks, Lucius.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 06:04 am:   

I read that Bill Schafer at Subterranean has officially announced 'The Best of LS':

http://www.subterraneanpress.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code= shepard04&Category_Code=PRE&Product_Count=23

Kewly enough, there's a sales on until next Friday, close of business. $95.00 will get you the limited edition with the bonus TP. Only 199 left!
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 10:15 am:   

Thanks for the tip, Bruce. Just ordered mine. One (1) reason to be cheerful today.
JD
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 10:27 am:   

Thanks, Bruce.

Bad day, huh, JD.
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PM
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 10:30 am:   

One by one they go on their way to zero.
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Brad M Saenz
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:19 am:   

Ok, make it 197. The available stock plumets!!! Well, ok, I guess there is time for someone to get one...
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Brad M Saenz
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:20 am:   

Lucious,

Will you be adding those "behind the scenes" notes that SubTer generally puts in their retrospective collections?

Brad
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:43 am:   

I haven't been told anything about that, Brad,but would be willing to do so.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 02:26 pm:   

Bad day? In a way, Lucius. On the other hand, I turned 53 today and I am drunk ;-)))
JD
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 02:32 pm:   

:-)

Well, then it's a good day, but tomorrow's gonna suck, huh?
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 03:07 pm:   

There's a toc (described as "tentative") for the bonus collection that comes with the limited edition of the Best Of... over at the Sub Press website. I've finally stopped procrastinating and ordered my copy (well I said I would, and if nothing else I'm a man of my word), so now all I have to do is wait until January. That's, like, next year...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 08:08 am:   

Next year has been delayed, too... :-)
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Ahmed A. Khan
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 08:09 am:   

Lucius, I tried and failed to find an email address whereby I could contact you. Hence this circuitous route. I would like to send you a message and would appreciate it if you could email me your email addy. My email address is khan dot ahmeda at gmail dot com.

I hope you will see this message and respond.

Ahmed
http://ahmedakhan.blogspot.com
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Ahmed A. Khan
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 04:50 pm:   

Thank you for your kind response, Lucius. You have made a friend, sir, for what ever it is worth.

Ahmed
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 06:09 pm:   

No problem, Ahmed. You take care. Friends are worth a lot.

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