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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 06:20 am:   

This is thread where I will talk football, probably with myself...

My first question to myself is, Why would the Browns sign a lame warhorse like Jamal Lewis when they could have gotten a young back like Adrian Peterson?

1) They are insane
2) They are wise and are going to draft Joe Thomas or trade down and get a bunch of picks
3) they are retarded
4) they are butt stupid

What do you want to bet the answer isn't number two?
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 10:16 am:   

That's hilarious. Maybe they're tossing the season to set themselves up for a high pick in the 2008 draft.

I wasn't surprised when the Steelers didn't re-sign Joey Porter. They always seem to have another linebacker in the wings, and I think the Dolphins are paying too much for him.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 10:19 am:   

"Maybe they're tossing the season to set themselves up for a high pick in the 2008 draft."

That's what they always do.

As for Porter, well, that would be the hopeful Steeler fan view, but I think Porter wil free up Taylor to wreak havoc in opposing backfields. Maybe they paid too much, but he will help.
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William Lexner
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 10:32 am:   

I felt the need to come back here and eat crow for my statements about the Pats being a 'sure thing' over the Colts.

I was wrong. About a lot.

And Peyton Manning is obviously not the loser I thought he was.

(My computer has been down, hence the long time between posts. But long time or no, it needed to admit being wrong.)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 12:00 pm:   

Sorry I got mad at you, man. Heat of the moment and all. but that's no excuse.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 07:15 pm:   

Willis McGahee a Raven. Good move for the Ravens. Makes them, in my book, favorites along the with the Chargers and the Pats for the SB. I wouldn't make the Colts any more than 4th best. They lost Rhodes today, and Johnson's starting to show his age a little, and etc. I wouldn't be shocked if they lost the division next year. Tennessee's on the rise and Jacksonville's tough. Houston's the only pushover.

I hear Brady Quinn is going go to the Lions. That means Joe Thomas will be available for the Browns. It's not a sexy pick, but they might want to think about him.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 02:46 pm:   

Packer Salute --- Randy Moss may now get to wipe his ass on the Packer goalpost multiple times a year. Maybe he convince the brain damaged cheesehead that it's good thing, a kind of salute that means respect and so forth.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:40 am:   

I hear the Cowboys are trying to unload Julius Jones. Good luck! If they succeed, does that mean they'll be looking to draft a rb?

I'll answer myself later.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 06:10 pm:   

Life's been a little wild, but I'm back. I'll talk Cowboys with you.

JJ will most likely stay on the team. Local beat reporters are mostly convinced that the whole trade bait thing was more rumor than anything. There may have been some discussion, but nothing serious.

The Boys are in a good position for the draft. They have some holes, like any team, but they've at least plugged the dike in free agency, signing an overpriced but hopefully adequate former Longhorn for the O line and signing Ken Hamlin, late of Seattle, to give Roy some safety support.

Word around here is, they like some of the Texas secondary guys in the draft, but WR is also apparently something they'd like to get. They should be able to take the best player on the board instead of drafting for desperate need. A good thing when you think back to Quincy Carter and Shante Carver.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 06:35 pm:   

One rumor is Reggie Macneil, another safety, Florida (How bout them gators!), which I think would be awesome, because he's a player and a great cover guy...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:03 am:   

Less than two weeks! Oh, boy.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 08:03 am:   

RIP, Darryl Stingley, dead at 55.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 08:09 am:   

Yeah, a shame. The recipient of the most infamous hit in pro football history.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 10:53 am:   

Counting the days 'till the draft.

All's quiet at Cowboy camp this week. I guess they're behind locked doors, plotting league domination.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 11:36 am:   

Is the draft next weekend? Whenever, I can't wait.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:53 pm:   

It's April 28th - 29th.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:50 pm:   

Thanks, man.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 02:37 pm:   

The idea that the Browns may take Brady Quinn makes my blood run cold.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 07:59 pm:   

Hey, the Boys have a Golden Domer at RB, so we all have to make sacrifices.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 08:13 pm:   

At second string rb...hardly the same. I still can't believe they passed on Steven Jackson.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 11:30 am:   

It'll be interesting to see how Barber / Jones split carries this year. Media around Dallas thinks Jones may be thinking about bundling some picks and trading up to the 10-15 spot. Possibly to draft a falling Adrian Peterson -- fat chance of that. It sounds like Jerry the gambler has the keys to the draft again.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 11:59 am:   

I wouldn't cry if they took Peterson, but like you said. Keys to the draft -- you thought Wade Phillips had 'em? :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 12:43 pm:   

Naw, Jerry doesn't even trust him to the keys to the tractor.

Can't believe it's tomorrow!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 01:07 pm:   

It's not tomorrow; this is Thursday.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 07:05 am:   

Looooong week.

But NOW it's tomorrow.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 07:56 am:   

Yup.
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 11:40 am:   

No. Today used to be tomorrow. You've missed it all, Josh!!!

One of the few shining privileges of sticking it out in New Orleans. . . a buddy at my morning coffee house slipped me a pair of free tickets to Jazz Fest. That's my tomorrow!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 11:50 am:   

Cool, andy. Us reg'lar folk will be footballing. :-) How's it going?
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 09:45 pm:   

Hey, what's up Andy? How are things?
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 01:21 pm:   

21 players taken and Quinn is still available . . . ooh, he's goes to the Browns.

Steelers take a linebacker. I was hoping Darrelle Revis would last longer to get some help at the corner.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 01:38 pm:   

Yuck, Quinn. At least they got Joe Thomas. Dallas made out.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 01:48 pm:   

Wonder if Dallas had to buy them dinner?

A first round Cleveland pick is pure gold!
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 04:11 pm:   

Well, then Dallas goes right back and eats it on their pick.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 06:07 pm:   

Boy, the Browns have clearly decided to test your fortitude on this one, Lucius. I think Thomas is the real deal, and as much as I hate the Golden Showers, the Quinn pick makes sense for them. Maybe. If you and I are wrong about Quinn, and most of the rest of the world is to be believed.

As for the Pack, at least we didn't reach and draft some injury-prone kid who's never managed to complete a single college season, much less survive the marathon that is the NFL neverending season...oh wait.
I do love moving back fifteen spots in 2nd round in order to get an additional 3rd and 6th round pick. Good move. (Though the Jets got USC's Steve Smith with that pick, and I think he's going to be a either a great#3 WR, or maybe even a very good #2--just not tall enough to be elite, but he's got everything else--great speed, experience, hands. I think the most underrated Trojan of the past era--of course, most of the other Trojans were overrated...)
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 06:17 pm:   

Oh, and I gotta shout out some love for Matt Millen, taking yet another WR!!!

Mr. Millen, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, thanks so much for running one of the Packers rivals. Any chance you can get a job with the Bears sometime soon?

Oh, and while I do think Adrian peterson is a heckuva rb, I'm happy to see another divisional rival add talent to a position that is already very well stocked.

It's nice to be in a division chockfull of great braintrusts...
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 06:22 pm:   

Oh dear, I just went over to cbs.sportsline.com, and the photo they have up looks like the golden shower qb is actually tearing up while holding up his Browns jersey (I'm not watching live--doing computer stuff, and checking ticker as I go along.) Um, I gotta say, seeing that, knowing how warm and gooey it must make Lucius feel inside ... priceless.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 06:29 pm:   

Oy vey, a cornholer rb. Though the kid looks like a wellrounded player, with 33 receptions last season to go with 5.3 yards per carry. 4.5 speed aint bad. No Ahman Green (at least, Ahman of 3 years ago), or even Marshawn Lynch, but hopefully he's a solid player.

Anyone see this kid play? (Brandon Jackson of Nebraska)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 07:54 pm:   

Hey, Jim...

Yeah, he's the kind of runner who looks solid and might have a three year career.

My problem with Quinn, I think he's no better than John Beck, maybe not as good.

Lots of teams have a best player available draft policy -- Minne does, apparently? Believe, Adrian is gonna hurt you guys.

i thought the packers draft was abysmal. Seriously.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 08:23 pm:   

Hey, Minz...drop me an email, will you. All my edresses went away in a computer accident.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 08:28 pm:   

Hey, Lucius, been too long, but you knew I'd have to check in for the draft.

I agree with the best player available, within reason--Minnesota has exactly one position that's talented and deep: running back. I mean, seriously, how much more cap space should they tie up for the RB position?
they should've picked Okoye. Period. Young, dedicated, talented and hasn't even begun to develop (he's pretty good at the age of 19!). Not to mention Pat Williams is 34. I'll face peterson and the cabal of unhappy players behind him, and breathe a sigh of relief they didn't bring in a potential probowl dt who could play for 15+years

And Detroit should've gone for Joe Thomas.

I like the Rouse pick--actually, scratch that, I _love_ the Rouse pick. Herrell is total boom or bust, and with his ankles, I'm praying it won't be the latter (although he has the potential be a good lockerroom kid--gutting it out with a torn tricep to play FL, that's leadership and toughness). But yeah, underwhelmed at the moment, and the fact of the matter is the only really good pick was the last of the four. But we'll see. Thompson has a good track record of building with the draft, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. It is way too early to know how this'll shape up. I'm much more interested in seeing how last year's picks develop. (I'm hoping Jennings will take a step forward, though in truth, I'm not certain how much more potential he has to tap--at least he'll benefit from being around Driver.)
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 08:42 pm:   

Hey Lucius:

My homeemail is:

jim dot minz at comcast dot net
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 09:02 pm:   

Do you mean Minnie Driver?

Maybe okoye, but peterson's still great.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 09:55 pm:   

And he will be behind a _very good_ offensive line. He does give them a homerun threat at RB. Their other guys are good, but not a threat to go the distance like AP.

Talk to you tomorrow about rouds 4-7

g'night
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 10:43 pm:   

Cheers.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 06:26 am:   

I thought the entire NFC East drafted weak. Dallas moved up to get a player they could have gotten in the second, and traded away their high second round pick to get him. Wash needed help up front, didn't get. The Giants needed a rb, didn't get it. Philly...Kevin Kolb? I thought SF had a great first day. Also Miami, TB, Ariz...a couple of others had maybe good days, IMO.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 07:53 am:   

Randy Moss is a Patriot!!!! NE becomes the Super Bowl favorite.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 08:24 am:   

The only bright spot for Dallas is that they effectively gave a third and a fifth pick for Cleveland's first next year. I'll have the root hard against Cleveland next year. That puts you in a curious situation, Lucius. At least you'll have some consolation is Cleveland stinks the place up.

Cowboys just drafted a QB w/ their fourth round pick. Unless the DE we got is the pass rush monster they're predicting, I'm pretty underwhelmed so far.

And Moss to NE for a fourth round pick?? How badly did they want him out of Oakland?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 08:36 am:   

Stanback is a wide receiver for the cowboys, not a QB.

Moss ran an authenticated 4.2 in Boca Raton two weeks ago. Yow.

Spencer may work out, but trading up to get him wasn't necessary.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 01:02 pm:   

Well, NFL channel definitely declared Green Bay one of their off=season losers, singling them out along with Tennessee and KC. Winners include Ariz and San Fran....
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 01:13 pm:   

Cowboys take a kicker and a fullback.

This draft may put me to sleep.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 01:21 pm:   

Yeah, curious Boys draft. I thought yesterday was exciting, and this morining, if you were team-centric...and I'm not, I'm interested in where all the players wind up.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 06:44 am:   

I can't believe Matt Millen took another WR. Why haven't they run him out of town?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 07:18 am:   

One of life's great mysteries is the endurance of Matt Millen. I suspect black magic.
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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 07:52 am:   

I understand the Raiders trading Moss since he was disgruntled and all, but he's only worth a 4th round draft pick?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 08:03 am:   

He's worth more--they just couldn't get more. Moss put the Raiders in a terrible bargaining position.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 08:33 am:   

I gotta say, if the NE coach wouldn't let Dieon Branch finish the season, there's no way Randy Moss and his lacksadaisical ways lasts the year. Granted, they only put up a fourth-rounder, but there's simply no way he plays the whole year. By the end of November, this experiment will be finished.

Now I need to find out what the Pack did in Day 2...underwhelming, but hey, way too early to make the call on this. Only time will tell. (At least we didn't trade up to draft a punter--losing Mike Sherman the GM was the best move in years)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 08:46 am:   

I'll take that bet, Jim. He plays the entire year and he plays well. For dinner somewhere, ok?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 08:58 am:   

Moss always boasted he would "get his rings," but not in MN. No doubt he felt thwarted in Oakland. But with a legit SB contender, he might come alive.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 09:41 am:   

I think hes gonna play like he means it.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 04:28 pm:   

I think so too, for about a month--he's just not right in the head, never has been. And he's never taken football seriously.
Which is the longwinded way of saying you're on, Lucius. I'll take that bet.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 04:54 pm:   

Done.

Never taken football seriously....never's a mighty big word.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 06:56 am:   

Yeah, yeah, so I may have engaged in a wee bit of hyperbole in dissing "Buttwipe" Moss. I'm looking forward to your buying me dinner. (Drinks'll be on me.)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 07:01 am:   

Yeah, well...dinners on you too. :-)

One way or the other, it should be interesting.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 06:03 am:   

So they finally signed Bady Quinn. After he missed 2 or three weeks practise. Christ. They should have just let him sit at that point. grumble mumble
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 06:59 am:   

Has Jamarcus signed yet?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 07:27 am:   

No, they're really trying to lowball him, offering a contract that's lower than the last three or four first pciks in guaranteed money...

They'll buy the loyalty they deserve.
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Minz
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 11:57 am:   

Go Pack Go!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:43 pm:   

Yeah, they're really going somewhere this year. Did any team do less in the offseason?

How ya doing, minz...?
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Minz
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   

Hey Lucius. I'm doing well. Wish I could've made Readercon, but Cora Renee Mahoney arrived on the morning of July 7th, so it's a good thing I didn't. Both she and Sondi are fine.

And to fulfill my annual late summer obligations, I'll remind you that GB was the youngest team in the NFL last season (despite the 37 year old qb and the 38 year old longsnapper), and they were 8-8. I think the very young OL will be much better this year. I think our DL is very deep and talented. I think we have one of the best pair of bump-and-run corners in the league (i'd go so far as to say the best, but I'm a homer). We have two very good LBs.

Obviously, we're looking at a team that, depending upon health and fate, could be 6-10 or 10-6 (tough opening schedule), but they're young and getting better. I can live with that. Plenty of cap space, and our best players are locked up (except for DL Corey Williams).

Yes, we have question marks.
Safety, TE, RB are the big question marks, with LB and WR depth not far behind. But who doesn't have holes? Look at Colts. Their D is gonna stink, now that Mcfadden's down.
As for Safety, this year we'll take our lumps, but Underwood and Rouse are young talents who'll be ready to kick butt in a year or two. And Collins is solid. TE, well, they're high on the Lee kid. We'll see. Wish we would've drafted Olson in First round. And while RB is a big question mark, with the Denver/Atlanta zone/cutblocking system, they've proven it's not about topnotch runners, but rather the line. And ours will be vastly better this year, just thanks to the experience (we started three rookies for much of last season.) And I think Jackson is solid enough, even for a former Cornholer.

And a number of our younger WR are showing flashes. With Driver and Jennings as 1 &2, we're ookay (Jones, 3rd round, is the real deal, though as a rookie, his impact this season won't be as big.)

How're the 'boys lookin?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 03:13 pm:   

Always half-full, huh? :-)

Congrats on Cora Renee etc. Way to go, Sondi.

Readercon was a blast--I drank your share of Irish Car Bombs.

The 'boys are looking like...the Pats are gonna win the Super Bowl. I don;t know, really. I just got back from Europe (still not home) and have yet to football up. But I believe Romo is at least a very good QB. I'm just not sure how good a coach we've got. One thing, I predict a monster year for Demarcus Ware...

And before we get rollin' on the BADgers NC prospects, let's see y'all come on down and play a little football in a real conference, huh?
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 02:24 pm:   

The 'Boys are hard to read.

I believe Romo will be a keeper, and in keeping with the Ware prediction, it looks like they'll have a few more sacks than we've had in recent years. Right now, it's a lovefest, but we'll see how that goes when the real season kicks in.

Should be fun.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 06:34 am:   

COULD be fun...Fingers crossed.

Congrats on your collection sale, Josh....
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 02:15 pm:   

Thanks!

Man, ESPN is irritaing me today. I tune in and they're teasing the next segment, saying something to the effect of "TO's quiet, well-behaved summer is over." The bottom of the screen reads: TO in Trouble?

So I start sweating it, and they come back and announce that the major transgression that's going to bring all hope of victory crumbling down around the Cowboys is that TO was two minutes late for practice.

They must be REALLY tired of talking about Vick.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 06:45 am:   

Yeah, I saw that. Amazing.

ESPN has gotten to be shit.

I'm sick of hearing about Vick.
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Minz
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 07:33 pm:   

Hey, Congrats, Josh. That's awesome.

As for the 'Boys, whatEVer. I'm just looking forward to watching Olsen go to the Pro Bowl for the friggin' Bears, while Harrell will sit on the bench the whole year, another first-round DL BUST. (okay, Harrell is starting to knock off the rust a little bit, but the only friggin' position on the entire team with depth is DT, and that's what Thompson drafts in the first round. I don't care if you had Olsen rated as a late first rounder. YOU NEED OFFENSIVE WEAPONS and he was far and away the best choice in that department by the time the Pack got to pick. I'm just sayin...

On the other hand, I do think we could have a very good D. The Pack finally pulled their heads out of their butts and moved Jenkins to DE on running downs--which I was askin for since 2005!. It'll make KGB a dangerous pass rusher again. If Kampman, Jenkins and KGB stay healthy, the Packers DL will lead the league in sacks this year. (May not lead the league in sacks overall, mind you, but our DL is going to be that good--too bad they can't play on the offensive side of the ball as well.)

If we can manage a positive turnover ratio on the year, we're going to be playoff bound. (Okay, big if, but Brett only had 18 picks last year, despite leading the league in pass attempts.)

Oh, and Lucius, if you're hating ESPN now, just wait until Saint Brett starts passing Marino's records. It's gonna make you hurl...

And last but not least, I cannot BELIEVE you guys were chugging Irish Car Bombs without me. DUDE! That's so BOGUS!
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Minz
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 07:35 pm:   

I had thought about posting a comment about the Irish Car Bombs when I saw Ellen's pictures from Readercon, but I was just too upset. Sniff, sniff. :-)
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Minz
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 07:39 pm:   

Oh, and according to Peter King (who is a god of football wisdom, and I'm not just saying that because he recently cited Don Hutson as not just the greatest NFL receiver ever, but perhaps the best NFL player ever--nice to see someone who actually remembers something more than last week's ESPN highlights), Jamal Lewis is looking healthy and dangerous in camp. He thinks Lewis will easily top 1200 yards this year.

(I know you were bitchin' about this back in draft time, so I thought you might appreciate it. Though with Quinn as QB, we'll see how long you can remain faithful to Cleveland once BQ is under center every down.)
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Blue Tyson
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 09:09 pm:   

Can a receiver be the greatest player ever?

60 or 70 catches a year in those days is certainly bloody impressive.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 09:36 pm:   

According to da Bears, Olson's working out real good. :-)

You're actually citing Mr Wrong about Everything, Peter King? Brady Quinn won't beat out the QBs they've got this year, and may never...

I don't think a receiver can be the greatest.

Sorry about the car bombs. I drank 9.5 and quit because no one would go with me. Maybe at the WFC if I go...

The Pack--3rd place in the division...maybe.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 08:36 am:   

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Minz
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

Well, there's some of the numbers--set the single season reception record with 74, in a 12 game season (he played in 11 of 'em), when the next closest guy had 27, and that record stood for 45 years. His average of 41 catches per season would've lead the league in all but two of his 12 seasons. He had the most career touchdown receptions in league history (99) until Largent passed him. That stood for 44 years.
In fact, at the time of his retirement, he held 18 major NFL records. EIGHTEEN
Won 3 NFL championships.
Won 2 MVPs (wasn't called that then, but he was voted best player)
5 time all-pro
First career reception was 83-yard TD
All this in an era when as long as you didn't actually use a weapon against a receiver, it was legal--i.e. there was no pass interference rule. (none of this namby-pamby ew, you can't touch the players if they're wearing tutus crap that the NFL has become). Oh, and there's a reason they called it the "dead-ball era", though Hutson dominated despite that.

Then there's the records he still holds:
Hutson led the league in receptions eight times, including five consecutive seasons (1936-37, 1939, 1941-45). He led the league in receiving yards seven times, including four consecutive seasons (1936, 1938-39, 1941-44). He led the league in touchdown receptions nine times, including five consecutive seasons (1935-38, 1940-44). He averaged 0.85 TD receptions per game. All of those achievements remain NFL records. And, of course, there's the 29 points he scored in one quarter. All of these remain NFL records.

And of course he played both ways. As a defensive end, and then defensive back (Safety, with 30 career picks in 6 seasons). And he even kicked 7 fgs and 172 extra points in his career.

Oh, and he's been credited with bringing the pass route to the NFL...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 07:44 am:   

Hutson was great, but the greatest...? That was also in the era when he didn't have to go against afro-american cbs...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 07:45 am:   

Minz, email me your phone...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 07:48 am:   

Was the forward pass even that well established in the NFL then? Perhaps the art of pass defense might not have reached its zenith...Just saying...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 07:59 am:   

Exactly. Hutson was a great player, but he played against prinitive defenses.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 09:46 am:   

I'm not saying he's definitively the greatest, but he belongs on the list of possibles. Not just because of the numbers, but because he helped change the way the game was played. He was ridiculously dominant.

And it rankles me when I hear Rice is the greatest receiver ever. He is undoubtedly one of the best, and of course his longevity adds to that. Then again, how many seasons would he have played if every time he ran a route, somebody would wail on him. Any time, anywhere. And that he'd've had to play both ways. Not to mention he had a shitload of talent around him. Don't get me wrong, undoubtedly one of the best ever, even arguably the best ever, but it's hardly definitive.

As for primitive defenses, well, that'd be coupled with primitive offenses as well. And when you can mug a guy any time he's out running a route, I think that might counterbalance the scales against the notion of facing a cover-2.

If you ever get a chance to watch some footage of Don Hutson, I think you'll understand better just how dominant he was.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 10:00 am:   

I've seen Don Hutson. He's outstanding. My favorite receiver was Paul Warfield. He made the HOF despite playing on teams with Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell, and Kick, Csonka, and Morris. With those running games, he was never going to have big number--hell,Griese somethimes through single-dight passes. But IMO, he was the best ever...
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 01:19 pm:   

Thanks, Minz!

But this conversation is confusing me...isn't Michael Irvin the best receiver ever. ;)

The Cowboys continue to look dangerous in preseason (yeah, yeah...I know...preseason). Can't wait for the real thing. We crushed the vaunted Brocos' running game and answered with around 190 of our own rushing yards. Nice.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 05:48 pm:   

Irvin's great but the best...I don't know.

I saw part of the dallas-denver game. They looked right good....but it's way early.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 06:47 pm:   

the best ever at getting away with offensive pass interference, maybe :-) (Chris Carter was in the running for that title as well...)

And of course, Darrell Green was _the greatest_ at getting away with defensive pass interference. (That's actually a compliment, in that he knew how to work the edges of legal contact, and understood the backjudges' sightlines, etc. Talented, and resourceful--and he pissed me off all the time with what he got away with.)

And, of course, it _is_ only the preseason, Josh, so take a deep breath. The Packers shellacking of Seattle means virtually nothing, though any time we can beat Holmgren is a good day. (I don't blame Mike for leaving--I wish him well. But I do blame him for saying he wanted to go the week leading up to the Super Bowl, rather than after the friggin' game. I'm jus' sayin'. It was a horrible tactical error on his part. But I'm still damn grateful for him coming to GB and leading us to two Super Bowls.)
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Minz
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 06:53 pm:   

Oh, and Warfield was undoubtedly one of the best receivers ever.

Oh, and Josh, it's just tacky when a fan says "we" when talking about the team he roots for. (Of course, as one of owners of the Green Bay Packers, when I say "we" I do actually mean "we".) :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 08:08 pm:   

Warfield had that deceptive easy stride -- you thought he was going all out and then he blew by you.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 06:25 am:   

I knew the mention of The Playmaker would get Minz all riled up. ;)

Yep, preseason is pretty worthless. But I take my excitement where I can get it. It's not real football, but it's cool to see my team executing plays so well. Hopefully it'll carry over into September and beyond.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 06:35 am:   

if you ain't cheatin, you ain't trying.

My favorite Fudge-Packer memories involve Erik Williams making Reggie White disappear... :-)
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Blue Tyson
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 07:20 am:   

Hutson was one of the top few receivers ever, no doubt.

Irvin best ever? No.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 10:46 am:   

I enjoy the preseason as well--heck, I count the long painful days of summer until camp opens. And I enjoy the preseason games purely for watching the young talent, trying to figure who'll develop.

E.g. I was so pissed off when the Packers gave up on rookie 7th-round FB Gerald Sowell, who went on to a solid career as a Jet--not a glam player, but Special Teams ace who also put together a couple of very good seasons as a starter for NYJ. He was my underdog fav that camp, and after a terrific preseason, the Pack cut him, holding onto injured kicker Brett Conway for the year instead--Conway, who never kicked for the Pack in the regular season. So, I guess I'm saying I do enjoy preseason, not just for the anticipation of the coming games, and not just for the chance to spot the next stars, but also for the oppportunity to ferment (or should I say foment) those sour grapes...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 03:59 am:   

Re Sowell: Me, too ;)

I like the preseason for the same reason I like the draft --you get to see the newbies fitting in.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:22 pm:   

I've a confession to make--this evening, I was on the Chicago Trib and Sun Times forums, goading on Bear fans about Lance Briggs. I, of course, never mentioned being a Packer fan, merely observed how Lance Briggs represents all that's wrong with sports. It really was too much fun to be legal. I swear I heard veins bursting in foreheads from a thousand miles away. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:30 pm:   

You sound like you're getting into it like I used to when I used to drop into the Cat Fancier's forum... Not good for you mental health. But then, hey, you're an editor.... :-)
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David de Beer
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 06:16 am:   

ooh, football! wuv the NFL. Don't understand half the rules or history, but nevermind. Small matter.
eh, well, since great receivers have been mentioned I'll have to be loyal and back Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce as two of the best (yup, Rams fan).

iffy pre-season, but I was happy enough with the draft.

I thought Brady Quin is supposed to be this golden hotshot? not a lot of love I'm feeling for him here...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 07:29 am:   

Holt and Bruce ARE two of the best.

If the Rams got tougher in the middle on D, they might win the division...

Brady didn't impress me at Notre Dame. His arm was very inaccurate...and besides, ND is a school many of us loathe, so having him as the Browns QB makes me conflicted.
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David de Beer
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 07:45 am:   

heh, thanks be to the movie "Rudy" Notre Dame is one of the few football schools I recognize...

Scot Linehan has placed a lot of emphasis on getting the Rams D jacked up, which I'm happy with, especially since he doesn't want to upgrade the defense while letting the offense slide.
They drafted Adam Carriker, for nose tackle. Don't know much about him, but Minnesota centre Matt Birk was impressed when he played him. Still, they've injected a lot of youth into the D-line and I think that's good.

You are happy with the Browns taking Joe Thomas, though?

very much enojoyed "Dead Money" in Asimov's, btw.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 08:22 am:   

Re Dead Money: Thanks.

Rudy's enough reason to loathe ND.

Yeah, very happy with Joe Thomas. Barring injury, he'll be a ten year pro.

Carriker was great at Nebraska, but it seems they're counting on him a lot and defensive rookies often have a long learning curve.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:50 am:   

Brady is no Matt Ryan.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:10 pm:   

I don't know what kind of prospect Ryan is--haven't seen him that much--but Quinn never had that good a day against a quality team.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 04:08 pm:   

I'm being somewhat glib about Ryan, but he did squeeze a nice throw into coverage for BC's last td against WF.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 05:11 pm:   

He had a great game. Let's see how does against Ga Tech.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 07:54 am:   

My favorite young QB is Matt Saracen :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 08:28 am:   

who?
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David de Beer
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:58 am:   

Matt rocks:-) I mean Jason is a nice guy and all, and it's bad what happened to him, but you can't help rooting for Matt.
Actually, I'm rooting for Jason and his paralympic rugby career as well. Actually, I pretty much like everyone on that team! would be nice if occasionally a bit more of the Defense featured, but ah well..

(No spoilers, please, no idea where US is, but we're just into the playoffs here).

Friday Night Lights, Lucius.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 11:30 am:   

Oh yeah. Not a fan. Like real football. Liked the book.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 01:57 pm:   

That was a really good book.

I actually grew up sixty miles from Odessa and was entering high school the year it documents. It's a pretty accurate portrait of the way high school football is prioritized in the region, and all the baggage that goes with that.
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Byron Bailey
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 03:25 pm:   

Yeah, the Saints are playing tonight. I forgot who they're playing, though. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 06:11 pm:   

It was the best sports book I ever read.

Wow. 60 miles from Odessa. That's harsh. :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 01:03 pm:   

Yeah, especially since my poor Big Spring Steers were in the same conference as Permian until the year I entered High School. We were a town of 20,000 and every kid went to the same school so at that time, we just qualified as 5A. We were the kind of team that schools like Permian and Midland Lee (also in the division...) would schedule for homecoming.

The Steers (I know, I know...) were mercifully dropped to 4A after decades of getting whipped.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:06 am:   

Sean Taylor in critical condition, shot twice in the groin, severed femoral artery.

Payback for his earlier escapades, I wonder?
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 05:58 am:   

R.I.P. Sean Taylor.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 11:26 am:   

no payback, bu a random killing. RIP, indeed.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 12:22 pm:   

I fucking love it! 35-7 bears! Welcome to Dallas, Minz...
Hee hee hee....
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David de Beer
Posted on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 11:56 pm:   

Philip Rivers - big mouth surrounded by a legion of talent, or the real deal?
I saw the Broncos-Chargers game, and the way Rivers mouthed off at Cutler and some of the Broncos..well, he sure has a lot to say for someone who hasn't proven himself quite just yet.
All things considered, on the day I was more impressed with Cutler - he played under much tougher circumstances and with a much lousier offensive line, and he struggled, but he also managed to get the Broncos going a few times.
Not to mention the Broncos defense is simply shocking compared to the last time I saw them, a couple seasons ago.

Back to Rivers: Favre has carried the Packers for years; Brady has lifted the Pats several times; Hasslebeck kept the Seahawks winning even without Sean Alexander; Romo is a freak of nature; Drew Brees is the Sains offense pretty much.
Is Rivers as good as he seems to think he is, can he do what these guys have done?
If LT got injured, would Rivers be able to keep the Chargers winning? I have my doubts, I'd gladly trade the Chargers line for the Rams line and then see what he's capable of. tbh, no one can do anything behind the Rams current line, they have got to be easily the worst in football right now. How Steven Jackson is finding space to run into I do not know.

different question: why does the AFC remain so dominant over the NFC? better coaching staffs maybe?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 06:46 am:   

These things go in cycles. Coaching may have something to do with it, but you only have to go back to the eighties and ninties (Cowboy, Niners, Pack, Giants, Niners, etc) to find a period of equal dominance by the nfc.

Nobody could thrive behind the Rams O-line. What you got against Rivers? He's basically a second year QB. He'll either do better or get out of the league. Personally I think he'll be fine. He's had to learn a new offense this year and that takes time. Granted, the Broncos are lousy but to say you were more impressed with Cutler beggars statistical truth. Rivers made some tremendous throws, Cutler really didn't (though I like his potential, too). You don't like trash talking? Watch tennis. It goes on on every down. True, QBs don't indulge in it as much, because they're afraid for their lives, but there have been a number who've done it, from Bobby Layne to Dan Pastorini to Vince Young (another QB whose less than polished).
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David de Beer
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 07:46 am:   

Trash talk is one thing, yapping happens as a matter of course, but the way the Chargers sometimes (at least the times I've seen them) go at it, it gets ugly and uncalled for. Nothing wrong with good sportsmanship either. And, trash talk has a habit of coming back to bite your ass if you can't back up your mouth. Some players hear you mouthing off and decide to make it personal. The Bears learned that when they boasted about how they were going to wipe the floor with Steve Smith a couple seasons ago and Smith made them look like idjits.
The Chargers are good, but their game is not as good as their talk is. There are teams I'd back to beat them nine days out of ten. Not many, but there are.

I think Rivers is decent, but he does have attitude that's not proven by his ability yet. He has a powerful offensive with him and a strong defense on the other side. Ideal circumstances, really, and it's a bit hard to say what he'll do when it's crunch time. Like the playoffs, someplace they don't have much of a record in.

>the Broncos are lousy but to say you were more impressed with Cutler beggars statistical truth

well, stats can be deceptive really. They don't say much about the amount of balls that should have been caught and were dropped, and the Broncos receivers did drop crucial passes, passes that had nothing wrong with them.
Cutler impressed me more for a simple reason - he didn' quit. True, he has to figure out how to get the other ten guys to keep playing too, but that counted a lot for me considering he is a young QB still. Couple times when he set off and scrambled, he got the first downs. Instead of sliding, he kept going trying to pick up extra yards. Now, maybe that's stupid, but he does have guts and he was trying to lead the offense. Elway couldn't do it by himself, and it seems the Broncos just don't want to learn. I can't believe they've come apart as badly as they have. What happened to their defense?
Yes, Cutler put up some wild throws, but his receivers seemed to be struggling so badly to get separation it's hard to tell again how much of it is his fault and how much theirs.
Broncos need to change their philosophy and pick a RB in the 1st round next year; either a RB or a receiver. Best of all would be if there's another Joe Thomas available and they traded up to get him.

Basically, regardless of stats, Cutler impressed me by showing a lot of character in adversity; Rivers is decent from what I've seen of him, but I'll have my doubts until he's been in a similar situation.

The Browns had a really good season, think they'll be in the playoffs?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 08:17 am:   

The Browns? They blew it last week.

The thing about QBs, it's all who they play with. Guys like Steve Bartkowski and Bert Jones would be HOFers if they'd played with good teams. If Montana had played with the Giants, no one would remember him. You're never going to see in Cutler's circumstance. I tell you one thing, if Turner coaches the Charger's next year, I look for Rivers to have a Pro Bowl season. It's tough to judge Rivers in the playoffs againts Manning and Brady. They have better teams than he does, and LT kind of went away in the playoffs last year, a combination of defenses and bad offensive calls.
I played high school ball and I don't mind trash-talking. It's up to you to shut them up and if you can't, well, you can't. So I like the Chargers. They've got great players and I don't care about their personalities. You got to figure 90percent of these guys are dicks, however they come off to the cameras. I love Sean Merriman as a player, but I don't want to have lunch with him. To make assumptions about what kind of person a player is from his game style is just not profitable, though. I was a real asshole on the field, less of one off it. :-) Merriman's an asshole, the Bronco's use the cutback block more than any team in football. Which is worse? Talking trash or taking out a guy's knee and maybe ending a career.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 06:08 am:   

Should be a good wknd...four quality games.

The Giants are playing well and should make a fight out of it. However, all I asked for for Christmas was one playoff victory, so win, lose or draw, I will be content.
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Dave_g
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Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 01:03 pm:   

Uh, anybody see the Super Bowl? Just askin'...
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Dave_g
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 12:32 pm:   

Time for a new football thread yet? Lucius, you have been quite silent re the Favre Circus...
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Lucius
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 09:30 pm:   

Yup. you're fight. Thanks.
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Dave_g
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Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 09:51 am:   

Lucius, do we need a new football thread.

Just found out there is a new league starting this fall, the United Football League, for whom JP Losman, Ken Dorsey and Brian Toal (and maybe Michael Vick) will be playing!
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Lucius
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Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:27 am:   

Yeah, I heard about the UFl. I'm less and less enamored of pro ball. The Gators and Canes are my thing. But I'll start a new thread under a generic heading. Football 2009.

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