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Rich Patterson
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:31 am:   

Hey, Lucius, I thought the first half of this story was brilliant. Great characters. Abi is magic. I almost wish I hadnít discovered it until the second half was up. These Sci-Fiction cliff-hangers are killers.


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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:18 am:   

Well, I hope you like the second half as well. i've done some fine tuning for the collectiion and there's a scene Ellen cut, but I'll live with this.....
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kellys
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:23 pm:   

What collection will the complete Abimigique be in?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:27 pm:   

From PS publishing, The Iron Shore, end of '06
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:55 pm:   

Loved the first half, looking forward to the second.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 02:11 pm:   

Cool, Josh. Thanks.
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Bruce
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 02:29 pm:   

The Iron Shore, Lucius? Far out! I recall that's a short novel you've been working on off and on. Is that the three novella collection mentioned in one of your interviews?

'Abimagique' has been a cool, eerie read thus far...keenly anticipating next week.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 02:44 pm:   

No, it's a shorter collection that'll include rewrites of limbo and abi, emerald st expansions, as yet unpublished stories like the 93rd Immaculate, Dinner at Baldasarros, and several others, and the Iron Shore.

Thanks re Abi
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MarcL
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 04:14 pm:   

I'm gonna wait for the conclusion to start it...but, I feel obliged to point out that in the first sentence, "Adams" should be "Addams." As in Charles Addams, creator of Morticia. Should I tell Ellen, or do you think she'll read it here?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 05:00 pm:   

Ellen's in England So I doubt she'll read it. But thanks....
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kellys
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 07:06 pm:   

Thanks Lucius, The Iron Shore from PS sounds great! Maybe the only drawback of the PS Trujillo collection was that it was too massive of a gulp, so I'm actually glad to hear that it's "a shorter collection"; not to mention the line-up looks great.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 07:25 pm:   

You know, I don't get that criticism, too long, or too much of a theme. I like big books, and I like collections that adhere to a theme. Go figure. Oh yeah, one story I forgot:

"I Got Those Way-Down-Below-The-Himalayas-In-A-Secret-Cavern-Burns-A-Flame-Brighter-Than-The- Sun Tibetan Blues"
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:16 pm:   

Yeah, I know, I don't get that criticism either. I agree about size and theme. I didn't like Clute's review at all. I was telling Bruce, it's the kind of collection you probably wouldn't want to race through in one gulp. You can take your time.

That's awesome -- the title.:-)
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Rich
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:17 pm:   

Now, that's a title.

I'm thinking of getting out of Eastern China after this school year and moving west to Yunnan province, adjacent to Tibet. In the foothills of the Himalayas, where foreigners can still find work. Did you live in Tibet for a while? Where did you visit there?
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:22 pm:   

I've let it sit, since Eternity and Afterward blew me away.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:27 pm:   

I had that title forever. From a song I started but never completed.

I wasn't in Tibet much. Just sone weeks in Lhasa. But I spent a lot of time in Mustang, which had a Tibetan culture.

No offense to kellys--to each his own and all that. But the bigger the better I say. However, I bow to opinion, PS bows, and this collection will be shorter.
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:30 pm:   

Clute's too overly intellectual and critical. What, he'd prefer it be shorter to make his job easier? He just rambled without offering any strong criticism -- grasping for something to criticise.

It seemed that way to me, at least.
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:34 pm:   

Clute's no authority in my opinion. Or he is and that's his problem?:-)
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PM
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:43 pm:   

One has a sense that there's more than just a bit of personal cleansing happening...and reading through the story does begin to grip, to take hold...

It's well suited for division and it's refreshing to know that I'll have to wait till the end...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:51 pm:   

Well, Clutes done a lot of good for the genre, and he's a friend of a friend, but yeah, I think he was straining to make a point in this case. The thing is, lot of Cluties picked it up and started parroting it as if it were gospel...but who gives a fuck? There's more important junk to stress about....
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:53 pm:   

Yeah, I've gone from groggy to moody.:-)
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PM
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:06 pm:   

No reason to not be proud to be loud...Whether it was intended as an insult or not is well academic.

If it's crashing a cymbal or blaring a horn the metaphor has merit.

I didn't take it as an insulting tone.

Surely Lucious you'd describe yourself as a hard puncher --- hardly a pansywaist...

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ben peek
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:08 pm:   

shame. i liked that big chunk of a collection. but a small one is fine as well--makes no never mind, really, since big or small you get the fiction in the end.
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Rich
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:15 pm:   

That was kind of a bullshit review. What, Clute's big problem with Trujillo is that "none of the stories here begin in the future" and it "has hardly a conventional SF moment in all its pages"? That, and Lucius is too hetro for him. Oh well...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:17 pm:   

No, man. I just think someimes when people are critiquing they get caught up in being clever (i know I do) or thinking they;re an do a disservice, thus, to the profession. But no big deal....
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:18 pm:   

But why criticise someone's physical stature, when you're talkin' books?

Didn't he say something like Lucius Shepard remains a big man with a big voice, or something? Well, yeah -- it's not like he's going get any smaller. He's not going to magically shrink. How is that a bad thing? Is he suggesting that Lucius should diminish as a writer? Why not talk about the fiction, huh.

I'm sure it was just one of his bad days. He's certainly done better criticism.

So yeah, like Lucius said earlier.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:19 pm:   

Yeah, Rich. Little does Clute know, I'm all woman. :-)
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Bruce
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:41 pm:   

Those crazy Cluties!

Well, I read 'Trujillo and Other Stories' in one go, and as I mentioned to StephenB, I found it bleak, disturbing and unsettling to put it mildly. A brilliant volume, but I probably shouldn't have read it in three days.

I remember when Harlan Ellison prefaced 'Deathbird Stories' with a 'Caveat Lector', which he claimed wasn't hyperbole, 'Trujillo's at least as devastating a read, and was clearly the finest collection of last year, full stop.

Great title, Lucius! Hoagy Carmichael influence, mayhap?

I read a National Geographic article on Mustang many years ago. What an amazing place! Why did you decide to visit there, Lucius? Truly, the end, or center of the Earth. Will you ever set a story in that mileau?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 05:08 am:   

"Hoagy Carmichael influence, mayhap...."

More like Timothy Leary....

I was in Mustang with my wife, who was doing her field work for her doctorate. We had to get special permission to travel there. I did set a story there, A WOODEN TIGER, but it wasn't satisfying,,,at least it didn't satisfy me. Yeah, I'll probably set another story there. I have one in mind about a shaman I met, who lived in a cave on the slopes of Crystal Mountain (Dolpo), a mainstream story.
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 05:20 am:   

That story sounds interesting.

I guess I was overreacting.

It just seemed that because you're unconventional in the genre, Clute was being too hard on you.

If he would have said something along the lines of -- this is a great collection but it's a little too dark and heavy (and I'm not meaning size) for my taste. I wouldn't agree with that for me personally, but I'd except that as a valid criticism from his perspective.

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 05:47 am:   

Lets stop the Clute-bashing, okay? Or else my next collection will get roasted.

I got to go to bed.
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Stephen
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 06:37 am:   

I thought I was. Sorta.
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 06:49 am:   

But like I said, I was overreacting. I'm sure he's a nice guy.
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kellys
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 09:57 am:   

Lucius: no offense taken. Oddly enough, I didn't read Clute's review of Trujillo, mainly because, after the first couple paragraphs, I didn't think his criticisms held any weight. I'm guilty of weilding that criticism only because I was unable to devour your book in a couple sittings -- maybe unfair of me?

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 10:14 am:   

Trujillo was a book that obviously wasn't designed to be read in a couple of gulps. It contains a novel, for Christs sake. But you can't criticize taste, or reader predilection, or whatever. It's whatever works for you. So it's not a question of fair or unfair, you know. I doubt you'll want to read the Iron Shore in a couple of gulps either. It's still going to be close to 200000 words.
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R.Wilder
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 11:45 am:   

Lucius, since the novel has now been announced for domestic US publication, can you tell us what's up for the rest of the content here in the states?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:12 pm:   

I was gonna do a whole series of stories set in Trujilo. Now, I don't know. They'll be part of my next US collection one way or another.
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R.Wilder
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:19 pm:   

Sounds like I better spring for a mail order copy of TRUJILLO, then. I've been holding out too long.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   

It is a handsome book, that much I can say, PS does good work.
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:39 pm:   

And you ARE getting a lot of content for the price.:-)
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R.Wilder
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:51 pm:   

I suspect it'll look nice nestled beside my first editions of "Jaguar Hunter" and "The Ends of the Earth." I just pulled out the latter and leafed through it, what a beautiful book.

Other than your magazine appearances, I'm about four years behind on your published work, Lucius. I think I'll rectify that will a buying/reading binge.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:57 pm:   

Wellsir, I hope it suits. I know Pete will appreciate it.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 04:34 am:   

And then it came to an end...

I would not have predicted it in such a manner.

And in it's revealing the story became less and less familiar though held together by it's ongoing ritual.

Intense. I'll sit quietly and mull...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 06:54 am:   

Tbanks...I think. :-)
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 11:45 am:   

Just read the second part, which I loved even more than the first. It's now my favourite story so far this year. Although, it seems like you could easily have a part three, if you wanted...

I like stories that take real world mysticism and the occult and blend them into a unique story, with real characters. Not to say that I don't like totally imagined fantasticism, as well.

The description in the part where the green river of time flows into the room, with the black void mouth of God and all that, is just fantastic!

I like how you try different things.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 11:53 am:   

Thanks, Steve....

Like I said, there'll be a rewrite/director's cut :-) available in the collection...
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Bruce
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:02 pm:   

Great story, Lucius. Look forward to the director's cut.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:05 pm:   

Thanks Bruce.

Sorry I misspelled your name, Stephen....
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:22 pm:   

Oh, don't worry about it. That's often the name I go by. just not here.... Either works.
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Stephen
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:30 pm:   

Can I call you Luc?:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:44 pm:   

No. Not even Jean-Luc.
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:49 pm:   

Well, the c would have a sh sound, like Lush.:-)

But I don't think that'd go over well..
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 01:11 pm:   

Nope. :-)
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 03:45 pm:   

I'm curious about the rewrite and how it will read. A before and after collection would be informative.





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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 04:25 pm:   

it's contain a deleted scene, which you'll recognize, and a general polish.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 08:23 pm:   

I loved it. One of your best.

Would I be correct in guessing that the cut scene is a calm(er) conversation between Carl and Reiner? I got the feeling they were about to talk to each other when they met the last time in the street.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 08:59 pm:   

Thanks, Rich.

The extra scene is a dream sequence, which Ellen cut because she felt it did not advance the plot, and she was right--I felt it advance the tone, the gestalt of the story, so I'm a putting it back in. :-)
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 10:18 pm:   

Reading it as it was written was a sufficient recreation.

What the polishing will do remains to be read...

When I read this it's experiencing it emotionally first hand and the intensity leaves one fatigued afterwards. The story stretches one out emotionally and as one reads it one is uncertain as to how it's going to proceed. I wasn't expecting it to end with joyful notes and everyone holding hands under a rainbow.

Don't know if I would want to amp it up anymore but then I'm sensitive. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 03:25 am:   

I think tthe inclusion of the dream sequence, which occurs after he finds the acquarium in Minz's apt, acts as a break, a relief. The polishing won't affect the story greatly, just make certain passages more graceful....
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kellys
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 07:13 am:   

To echo everyone else's sentiments, Abimagique was brilliant! I loved the way it slowly but steadily made its way from the everyday to the out-and-out fantastic; the way an entire mythology is thrown upon the reader at the end; and, as StephenB identified, the sheer descriptive power of the fantasy passages.

Needless to say, can't wait to see the director's cut as well.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 07:34 am:   

Thanks, Kellys....

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shocky
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:05 am:   

but the question is...
who of you would stay on the bus and who would get off....
I would stay I would like to know more of what happend to abi by seeking out here friends
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StephenB
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:13 am:   

Oh yeah, definitely, Shocky. I'd be intruiged by her friend and would want to know what the fuck happened. Also, she offered her protection. It'd be wise to stick with someone who knows a little more about what's happening. Regardless, it'd be exciting.
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StephenB
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:22 am:   

Although, having just lost your love, you may want to die...
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shocky
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:42 am:   

but not the way she did, i do think it hurt alot and i know i wouldnt want to get eaten up by something and spit back out
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StephenB
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:53 am:   

Well, I guess my point was. What does he have to loose?

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shocky
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 12:29 pm:   

lol i think we both agree on it just using different words :D

still a fun story to read, im going to re-read it this weekend start to finish...i am wondering if i missed any interesting little parts
and i wonder who Reiner was, did he work for some govermental branch or did he work for who/what ever it was that ate abi up and spit her back out...
i have to say this story has an affect on me :D very good
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kellys
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 06:17 am:   

Don't know if this is proper message board etiquette or not (please feel free to inform me if it's not), but I wrote a review of Abimagique on my blog.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/kellyshaw/
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 06:34 am:   

Almost any behavior is acceptable on the board. :-)

Thanks, Kelly.

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Ken Viola
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 06:59 am:   

Lucius- Loved the story. Have you finished Promethea? thoughts?
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 07:11 am:   

Kelly,
Nice review, but check out my comment.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 08:32 am:   

Yeah, I kinda liked the first graphic novel. Not my favorite, but pretty cool. I thought it was something Abi would have lying around the house; :-)
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kellys
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 01:52 pm:   

Thanks for the correction Ellen. I think serializing novellas is a great idea and look forward to reading more of them at scifiction.
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Ken Viola
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 07:09 am:   

Lucius- Read the other 4 Promethea volumes. Truly amazing.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 09:37 am:   

Ken, Okay. I'm game. I'll get to 'em soon.
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Morland Gonsoulin
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   

This is my first post to the discussion area, which I found by reading Abimagique on the SciFi Fiction Web Site. My only other exposure to you, Lucius, was The Jaguar Hunter - which I read and 'heard' on Seeing Ear Theater. But for some reason, Abimagique "stuck" in a way that your other story did not. Perhaps, it was the mysteriousness of Abi and the sense of not knowing. Perhaps again, maybe it was the well-disciplined way the story began and the free-form way that it ended (and the steps in between). Or perhaps it was the many concentric circles woven within the tale (relevant references to the play within a play in A Midsummer's Night Dream). Or finally, maybe it was the way in which the story manipulated me in much the same way "Carl" seems to be manipulated by Abi.

Regardless, this story was entertaining on so many levels and deep on so many more that I am waiting for The Iron Shore so that I can find out what happens...or what might happen...or what might not. (Sometimes questions that are slowly and deliberately developed are much better than answers.)

In the meantime, however, I might read your other works. Thanks for a fantastic introduction to your works!
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 03:04 am:   

Hey, Lucius. Don't know if you know, but "Abimagique" is given a positive review at irosf.com.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 07:47 am:   

Stephen,
Thanks for noticing --I hadn't seen it yet.
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Stephen
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 08:44 am:   

No prob.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 09:09 am:   

Thanks, Morland. I appreciate your comments. I hope you find the revision of Abi to your taste.

And thanks ofr the review notice, S

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