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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 09:16 pm:   

- 01:26 pm:

Double Team is great. I know you don't buy videos or DVDs, but Hard Target is a terrific bootleg, I believe Kim's in NY still has it for sale. It;s really the last true John Woo flick.

Yeah, a movie about exploding pants....Wow!

Stephen, I've owned the sequels for years, but haven't watched them. Someday.
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:21 pm:

I buy stuff eventually, if it's a movie I can't stop thinking about and need to see again. (I hardly ever watch a film more than once, so there has to be something really special about it that'd make me want to watch it again.)

Instead of listing my three favorite movies farther up this thread, I started to list the ones I actually have bought on DVD so far, but even that was/is a weirdly stunted list. A few of these I don't own yet. The bad thing is, as soon as I finally break down and buy a movie, it's pretty much a solid guarantee I'm never gonna watch it again. It sits there on the shelf and mocks me. So I've cut back on my plans to buy more of my favorite movies.

WITHNAIL AND I
FORBIDDEN PLANET
JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH
2001
THE SHINING
RAVENOUS
DEAD MAN
PSYCHO
VERTIGO
FRENZY
THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH
ERASERHEAD
LOST HIGHWAY
BLUE VELVET
MULHOLLAND DRIVE
DARK WATER
ZATOICHI (Beat Takeshi)
SONATINE
THE BIG LEBOWSKI
OH BROTHER WHERE ART THOU
MAROONED IN IRAQ
THE RETURN
HAPPINESS OF THE KATAKURIS
MEMORIES OF MURDER
CHI-HWA-SEON
NUTS IN MAY
LIFE IS SWEET
HANA BI
KIKUJIRO
A SCENE BY THE SEA
UZUMAKI
NORTH BY NORTHWEST
SHADOW OF A DOUBT
STRANGERS ON A TRAIN
SEVEN SAMURAI
GOODFELLOWS
WAGES OF FEAR and SORCERER
CITY OF LOST CHILDREN
MONA LISA

Oh hell, this is pointless. Every movie I list makes me think of three others I have loved...but do I seriously need to own them all? Thinking of SEVEN SAMURAI, I'm overwhelmed by the (in some ways even more) extraordinary HIGH AND LOW. Which makes me think of HARA KIRI and ONIBABA and FIRES ON THE PLAIN and THE THIN RED LINE...crap... It's fractal, and infinite.
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:22 pm:

I forgot Tsui Hark's ZU: WARRIORS OF THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN and GREEN SNAKE and and and oh forget it!
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:25 pm:

Also, if I go into the list of DVDs at the library, I can find a couple dozen right off the top of my head that I really ought to watch. Of these, it's probably that at least one of them is bound to be my favorite movie of all time for a few days or weeks or maybe even actually FOR ALL TIME!
   By Lucius on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 03:01 pm:

Mona Lisa and not the Long Good Friday?

Yeah, I buy dvds and sell off the ones I don't want. I can't take the time to do libraries.

Uzumaki ..... My favorite.
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 03:14 pm:

Oh yeah, I prefer the warm, sappy Mona Lisa to the cold, cynical Long Good Friday. Which reminds me how much I liked The Butcher Boy.

Now I find myself thinking of movies I've never seen completely--films I saw most of on TV and have never sat down to watch in their entirety: JEAN DE FLEURETTE/MANON OF THE SPRING and TREE OF WOODEN CLOGS.

Must stop!
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 03:16 pm:

Doing the library here (King County, Washington State) is as fast as ordering something off Amazon ...it's all online. But I am depleting most of the free ore-bearing veins and I fear I must get into Netflix soon.
   By Lucius on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 03:25 pm:

I like the Butcher Boy, too. Haven't seen that kid since his bit in the General....

Netflix and etc just don't have enough of the films I'm interested in to make it worthwhile.
   By Dave G. on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 03:28 pm:

WITHNAIL AND I...Nice!

"We want the finest wines available to humanity...!"
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:02 pm:

About half the time that's my favorite movie of all time. It's the only Criterion edition I own.
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:05 pm:

Damn, Lucius. I was hoping to hear that Netflix had a whole heap of Korean, Japanese, Iranian films that I wouldn't be able to find for rent anywhere. One thing it did have is the film about Jack Nance, I DON'T KNOW JACK. That alone almost made me join.

Almost.
   By Robert D on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:08 pm:

I just canceled my Netflix membership this week. Keeping it just encouraged me to watch bad movies, just because I could. I'd run out of everything I really wanted to see, and was just watching this I was vaguely interested in. There's supposed to be a place like Netflix that is more indie, but I can't remember what it is.

I remember Netflix didn't have Uzumaki in their library, even though I could buy it easily.
   By Lucius on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:10 pm:

I'm always looking for weird shit like Aussie Park Boyz (I say again, Great action movie), whicn they're not gonna have, and my viewing pattern are erratic. I tend to binge, and then not see anything for a month. So it's impractical for me.
   By Robert D on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:15 pm:

GreenCine was the place I was thinking of
http://www.greencine.com

They're geared towards indies and documentaries. Sadly, the search engine is really slow.
   By Night Shade Books on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:24 pm:

www.nicheflix.com is also supposed to be good, and stocks imports and other regions as well as region 1 stuff.
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:27 pm:

I guess seeing if they have both "Razorback" and "Through the Olive Trees" might be a good test.
   By MarcL on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:31 pm:

Those both look great.
   By PM on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 05:51 pm:

Where would one find the Director's Cut of Hard Target on DVD?
   By Lucius on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 06:16 pm:

It's a bootleg. Maybe from Kims online. As far I know, it's only available on video.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 06:40 am:   

I haven't visited in about ten years (before the advent of DVD), but in the video era, Video Vault in Alexandria, VA used to be mind-boggling. I was never able to stump them; they carried everything.

Has anyone here ever heard of a Scandanavian doc I saw back in the '80s called THE KILLING OF AMERICA? It examined America's violent culture of assassination, serial killing, etc. and had some amazing footage I've never seen anywhere else. I've only ever seen it in one Berlin video store called Videodrome and that was almost 20 years ago...

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 07:23 am:   

http://www.fabpress.com/perl/search.pl?CO=DVD052

You can buy it here. Region 3 DVD, so you need an all region player.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 07:24 am:   

Region 2
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Robert D
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 08:09 am:   

Nicheflix looks interesting, but I was really confused by some of their choices. Belgian Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVDs? I dug a bit and found the Belgian ones are widescreen, but the US are fullscreen.

But that still doesn't explain the A-Team DVDs, which are the exact same ones you can get from Netflix. Same with Hogan's Heroes. I guess the TV section just seems odd. Still, I think I'll join up soon. I ran out of Netflix movies I want to watch, but Nicheflix has a few I want to watch.


On to actually decent films, I watched Volume III of the Films of H.P. Lovecraft. I was never a fan of the Yunza stuff, and the stuff on here (Out of Mind, Music of Eric Zahn) were decent. They managed to be Lovecraftian without being as campy. Still, the music itself in EZ wasn't what I hoped for. It still seemed too traditional.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 08:49 am:   

I'd like to write a lovecraft script...Oh, well.

Isn't the Kronos guy scheduled to do In the Mountains of...?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 08:53 am:   

I kind of enjoyed FROM BEYOND with kinky scream queen Barbara Crampton.
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Robert D
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:08 am:   

I did see something about Guillermo del Toro doing At the Mountains of Madness, but he seems to be tied up with 2 other movies (Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy 2)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:14 am:   

Yuck. Oh, well. He's hit and miss, anyway. Hope someone does a big budget and good lovecraft someday....

I still like Carpenter's In the mouth of Madness a lot
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Robert D
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:22 am:   

Del Toro's been good in foreign films, but not the Hollywood stuff. That gives me hope for Pan's Labyrinth, since it's Spanish. I can skip Hellboy 2.

In the Mouth of Madness was good, definitely one of the better Lovecraft styled films.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:26 am:   

Sam Neill was definitely an upgrade over the usual run of actors the usual run of Lovecraft projects get....
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:31 am:   

Speaking of Sam Neill, any other fans of POSSESSION, with Isabelle Adjani and a sweet monster designed by HR Giger?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:38 am:   

Yeah, POSSESSION was cool.
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MarcL
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   

I've also dreamed of doing a HPL script, and Del Toro's MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS is something I hope they make...although there are certain pitfalls in representing blind albino penguins. Del Toro's other wishful project, as I recall, is WIND IN THE WILLOWS.

Haven't seen POSSESSION...I'll have to look for that one. I enjoyed DEAD CALM, way back when.

MOUTH OF MADNESS had less cheese than usual, but still too much for my taste. THE RESURRECTED is still my favorite Lovecraft adaptation, in spite of several things I hate about it (such as the whole gumshoe detective angle).
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 12:40 pm:   

Sam Neill's a great actor. One of my favorite movies is Death in Brunswick, a little Aussie comedy he did, and he was terrific in the Aussie version of Uncle Vanya....
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:45 pm:   

i liked MOUTH OF MADNESS. what's happened to carpenter, though? hasn't had a film out for a while, i don't think.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:59 pm:   

According to IMDB, he has two movies due in
'06, Psycopath and the !3th apostle.....

Guess he's been on vacation since Ghosts of Mars
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Laird
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:31 pm:   

I enjoyed In the Mouth of Madness--Neil likes the Lovecraftian stuff, I think. He was also in Event Horizon, which was definitely a Mythos story.

Another Lovecraft adaptation: Dagon. No Neil, alas. Cheesey but quite fun.

Other movies: The Missing Gun. I didn't like the MTV style sfx, but definitely worth a rental.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:32 pm:   

One wonders if the remake of the Fog will generate interest in his upcoming films.
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MarcL
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 12:26 am:   

Just watched Kiarostami's A.B.C. AFRICA. It's a rambling documentary about kids in Africa orphaned by HIV. One nice sequence where the crew lets a camera run in the dark for an interminable amount of time. Other than that, it was hard to know quite what to think. It's an almost completely unnarrated travelogue, a scrapbook. I'll watch anything Kiarostami does, but would I have watched it if he hadn't done it?

A friend today recommended an English revenge thriller, DEAD MAN'S SHOES. Anyone seen it?
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 04:18 am:   

I hit the video stores after work today and got lucky. Finally found The River, after years of searching, and picked up Wayward Cloud as well. I bought The Hole last week but haven't watched it yet. Planning on a Tsai Ming-Liang weekend.
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 05:05 am:   

Agree about Carpenter's Mouth of Madness and about Dagon. Haven't seen The Resurrected or Out of Mind, or even, From Beyond. I'll try to check them out.

Here's a question for anyone who wants to answer, including Lucius.

Which of Lucius' stories do you think would work well as a film? Let's be somewhat realistic.

I'll start. I think "Life of Buddha", which is a great little story, would be good for film. It's not very long and wouldn't demand too much effects or budget. Ideally it would be an art house type film, around an hour long. Lucius could write the script. C-Berg would be a good choice for director.

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Rich Patterson
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 05:00 am:   

I thought WAYWARD CLOUD was cool. The porno theme was really dark, but the film was beautiful. Hard to take my eyes off it. I've never seen a film successfully mix so many diverse styles before. Thanks for the recommend.

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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 08:13 pm:   

i dunno about wanting people to make films out of the fiction i like. i'm happy for it to happen so the author can have some money, but personally, i'd rather see more original films, rather than films that take something i enjoyed in a different form and make it into something same or different or whatever.

whenever someone says to me, oh such and such would make a good film, i can't help thinking, why? wasn't it complete enough as a book?
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PM
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 08:35 pm:   

Hollywood has a demonstrable record of taking a work of fiction (or non-fiction for that matter) and mutating it into something wholly other.

I'd consider the film and it's source as separate entities and while one may wish to compare the two that's likely the road to misery...

With movies costing a fortune to make it's difficult to bank on the unknown. Go for something a potential audience has some familiarity with even if turns out to be something alien...

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StephenB
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 10:26 pm:   

Ben, I think you have a good point. I'd like to see more original stories being made in film, too. But, certainly some good movies have been made out of books. Sure, they often can't compare to the book. But movies in general can never achieve the same level of complexity that a book can.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 11:45 pm:   

Movies (the mainstream ones and perhaps others as well) are in general not about achieving complexity.

Audiences are not demanding complexity. Thinking is not considered an entertaining endeavor.

There's a shared responsibility between audiences and moviemakers though...

Whether it's a mouthful of original dirt or recycled dirt eventually it tastes like mud...
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 01:02 am:   

stephen: it's not really a question of it they make a good film out of a work of prose or not. they can, of course, and it can have the same, more, or less complexity as a book, but it's kind of silly to compare the two. different mediums, different advantages and disadvantages. i guess it's just my vague curiousity about the whole idea that people read a bit of prose and think, 'they should make a movie out of that.' it's just always struck me as an odd thought to have at the end of a book.

pm: i do consider the source and the film seperate. it's not what i'm talking about. i'm more just kicking round the question of WHY people want to see books they like made into film.

probably ain't any real reason. anyhow, was just the thought that struck me when i read the comment.
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StephenB
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 01:40 am:   

I agree with you there Ben. Sometimes a movie can ruin a book or spoil people's own imaginations. When a book is being read, both the reader's and writer's imaginations are at work. The writer describes things which he imagines and the reader imagines it with her own minds-eye. A movie takes that imagining away.

I just think it'd be nice to see someone interpret one of Lucius' stories into film and do a good job of it. Not just for the sake of those who like his work, but also for him because he likes films. Obviously Hollywood would probably make a shit movie.
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StephenB
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 01:42 am:   

And because of the limitations of film, I only think a few of his stories would work.
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StephenB
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 01:55 am:   

Also, Ben. Sometimes a good director or writer can take a book and turn it into something entirely different on film. Just because it's different, doesn't mean it's no good.

Stanely Kubrick's The Shining is a good example. I liked the movie and I haven;t read the book, but I've heard it's very different then the book. Lots of people who liked the book didn't like the movie. In fact, I think Stephen king said he hated it. Some people who didn't like the book, liked the movie. Kubrick knows how to make movies, not write books, so naturally he made it into something that would work for film.

You're right about them being entirely different mediums of storytelling and expression.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:21 am:   

it's not a judgement on if taking the book can be made into a good film or not, y'know? likewise, it's not a judgement if a book or a film make a better or worse thing. each succeeds or fails on it's own terms. i was just curious as to why people want a book to be turned into a film--like, what is it that makes someone who has read a book they like think, 'hey, this'll make a good film.'

but maybe i'm not being clear. or maybe it's just not a point worth discussing. i been writing too much essay today and its fried my brain.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 06:31 am:   

Had a chance to see the two GINGER SNAPS sequels this weekend. Loved #2: great dark themes, terrific performance from Emily Perkins, spooky sets and a killer plot twist at the end that I loved! People have been telling me #3 is the best, and I certainly thought it was a well-done, quality film, but the Native American mystical aspect was too overdone and thinly explained. It detracted from the overall air of dread that was the film's biggest asset.

Spoke to a horror-loving friend in London and she had seen these movies, too. I guess I really was the last to find out about them. Oh well, better late than never.

She also says to be on the lookout for a hot new Brit horror import called THE DESCENT about spelunkers. Supposed to be quite a ride.

Broke down and saw THE WEDDING CRASHERS this week. IMHO, it was no better and no worse than it should have been, a hokey excuse for Wilson and Vaughn to riff off each other and for Vaughn to do "the Vaughn guy" character he did in SWINGERS, OLD SCHOOL, etc. Some good laughs, which was what I went for. It gave value, for better or worse...
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StephenB
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 06:43 am:   

Dave, I haven't seen the third one yet. I had a different reaction to 2. I agree about her performance and the sets. I think I could have done without the whole Ghost part entirely, actually. It just didn't seem convincing, to me. I would have preferred it to focus on the hospital more, and her struggle with her need for wolfsbane. More developed characters at the hospital. I think it had a lot of drama potential, with her fighting for her humanity a metaphor for drug addiction and how it can bring out the beast within. I still liked it, though.
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StephenB
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 06:46 am:   

Not that it didn't have that -- just that they could have gone farther with it. The second half at the house seemed too much like the ending of the first one..
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PM
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 06:47 am:   

Ben, I can't say that I know anyone who reads books and says "hey, I wish they'd make a movie".

It's a great big world though and I'm sure that people exist who wish this to happen.

Whether it's Kubrick's Lolita or the FF those familiar with the source material are likely to be angered by the alterations.

So it's in this sense that I wouldn't wish this upon any writer. Nonetheless it's a wonderful financial opportunity and who's to begrudge someone their meal?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 07:17 am:   

Stephen, I sort of agree with you. There was a lot of fascinating stuff they could have done at the hospital, not least of which was explore the sadistic relationship with the creepy orderly. Yeah, there was a lot of opportunity for psychodrama all right, and the stuff at the house did start to look an awful lot like business-as-usual "who's afraid of the big bad wolf" rote horror doggerel. I, too, thought Ghost got annoying, but I loved how her creepiness grew incrementally and I thought the

SPOILER ALERT, YOU HORROR FANS








way that they morphed her into the villain (with a dandy opportunity for GINGER SNAPS 4: GHOST'S REVENGE) was something approaching brilliant. I'm a big fan of good-character-who-really-is-bad-character twists.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 07:29 am:   

The Descent is based on a novel, and apparently is pissing some off because it cuts out 70 percent of the plot. There's a knock-off version called the Cave opening soon, which apparently bites....But I hear good things about the Descent as well, though it adheres to the formulaic.

Watching a Brit horror film called Creep this week, starring Frankie Potenta. Supposed to be ok. It's about the Tube...
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StephenB
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 09:02 am:   

Yeah Dave, the ending is what makes Ghost worthwhile, I guess.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 10:06 am:   

Wouldn't a run of horror films with a tow-headed pre-teen moppet as the psycho killer be something? I'm racking my brain, but I can't come up with any precedent...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 10:23 am:   

The Bad Seed
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 10:44 am:   

remade as The Good Sun with McCauley Culkin...
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PM
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 10:58 am:   

"Poor" Culkin now inextricably mired with Jackson...

Guess he'll be doing something at some point against type:-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 11:07 am:   

Like PARTY MONSTER?

I would also point out THE OTHER, based on the Tom Tryon book. Still, moppet killers are pretty rare. And pretty cool.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 11:10 am:   

A little tidbit to the poster who asked about PROFESSOR PEABODY'S LAST LECTURE with Carl Reiner on NIGHT GALLERY.

It's part of the Season One DVD release. Trivia: who were the three students who asked questions in the class? A: Mister Bloch, Mister Derleth and Mister Lovecraft!
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 11:49 am:   

The Descent (UK) and The Cave (US/Germany) seem to be completely different movies. Neither of them seems to have any connection to the big fat sloppy blockbuster THE DESCENT (by Jeff Long), which I almost read a couple years ago since I'm a sucker for spelunking/subterranean adventure stories. But when I saw previews for The Cave recently, I thought it was going to turn out to be a filmed version of The Descent. So I'm thoroughly confused.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 11:56 am:   

Well, I haven't seem either one, so I'm just passing on hearsay. But the Descent has the subhumans of the Long novel...I don't know. I've heard the Cave is really bad, whatever it is.
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Night Shade Books
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   

I've no actual facts that The Descent is based on the book, just that from the descriptions it sounds an awful lot like it. People underground run into a subhuman race, which is the gist of the novel (although in epic scale in the novel.)

Both sound interesting. Done right, either/both could be good in the Pitch Black sort of way.
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:34 pm:   

The Descent is from the Dog Soldiers guy, and it looks better than The Cave. I agree with "done right"...but they so rarely are. Slow down the trailer for The Descent and you get a nice look at the green-lit critters. Hard to stay interested after that.

The best subterranean sequence I've read in a long time was in Mitchell Smith's REPRISAL. No green critters, either. Just lots and lots of darkness.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:36 pm:   

Well, the Descent has an all-girl spelunking group in peril, so we know which one's Dave gonna watch.

The Cave had a sucky reaction at most preview showing.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:45 pm:   

Amen, brutha! And Saskia Mulder is supermodel Karen's sister! Sign me up!!!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:52 pm:   

Another reason not to see the Cave. It's a Cole Hauser vehicle.
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 03:14 pm:   

Cole Hauser. There's your box-office draw.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 03:40 pm:   

Star of PAPARAZZI... :-)
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:34 pm:   

Constant Gardener trailer:

http://mp3content02.bcst.yahoo.com/b02r01/004/yahoomovies/10/15709560.mov

The best I can say is that it looks better than what foreign directors usually get handed for their first Hollywood picture.
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:36 pm:   

By the way, a pretty thorough collection of trailers at this site:

http://www.movie-list.com/comingsoon.shtml

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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:40 pm:   

Cole Hauser
Hart Bochner
Tab Hunter
Skeet Ulrich
Dack Rambo
Rock Hudson


There's something about the classic Hollywood name. It's like haiku. One syllable. Then two. Stress/stress/rest...

Somewhere there's a smoke-shrouded room where all these monikers are produced...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:43 pm:   

If audience reaction to a trailer is any predictor of box-office success, I think FLIGHTPLAN is gonna tank bigtime. It inspired a palpable interia.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 05:15 pm:   

Most of those names are fake, but Cole Hauser is Wing Hauser's son.
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 05:24 pm:   

I like your reasoning, Dave, because it also points out where things can go badly, badly wrong if the order is reversed. Check it out:

Ethan Hawke

Well, I don't have any more examples right now, but I figured for Lucius that would do it.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 05:38 pm:   

Marc has a point

But the Stress Stress thing is waning.

Jake Gyllenhall
Caspar Van Diehn
Marg Helgenbeger
etc
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 05:49 pm:   

The Rock
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 06:26 pm:   

Giovanni Ribbitsi
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PM
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 07:57 pm:   

Colin Farrell
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S. Hamm
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 08:20 pm:   

Hart Bochner is Lloyd Bochner's son and a good guy. We walked the streets of Nevada together doing GOTV work up to and including election day 2004. Lay off Hart Bochner!

By the way, I would love to be named Hart Bochner. What the fuck were my parents thinking??
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StephenB
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 09:05 pm:   

What about Skeet? Fair game?:-)

You guys might want to check out A&E, right now.

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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   

Just watched Creep. Formulaic, but pretty intense and violent little horror film. About a woman who gets trapped in the London Undergound overnight. I really like Frankie Potenta (Run Lola Run, Bourne Supremacy). She's always cool. Horrorheads could do worse. Great music, atmospheric. All it lacks is Hart Bochner. :-)
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 11:04 pm:   

There's a trailer for Creep on the site I listed above. I also saw the trailer for Ginger Snaps 3. Sort of a Ravenous vibe to it...guess I'll have to hunt those down.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 05:03 am:   

I'd like to mention this Russian TV show, a mini-series, 6dvds, called Brigade, detailing the progress of several young friends through the ranks of the Russian mafiya. As a crime drama, it puts the Sopranos to shame....
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 05:52 am:   

I meant to post this earlier. I'm not at all interested in The Constant Gardner. It's a terrible book, one of Le Carre's worst; it's got Ralph Fiennes, which makes it an automatic no-go for me. I saw Spider, but this appears to be the typical wet-eyed, drippy Fiennes performance--he's the Omar Sharif of the '00s.
Rachel Weiz's character is terribly drawn. The beautiful, gentle soul who just never had a bad thought.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 06:16 am:   

Hey, I have nothing against Hart Bochner. Lloyd was one of my fave character actors of the 70s. Just was admiring his very movie star name...

One of the funnier gags in ANCHORMAN was naming the sportscaster "Brick Tamlin." A neat little jab there.

I really desperately want to see LONDON VOODOO. Any idea if it's on DVD yet?

Me, I'm waiting for Fiennes' next film, THE PRUDENT PLUMBER. That's supposed to be a three-hanky job...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:32 am:   

Yes, It's on DVD --- been available on import for quite a while and now is available through Amazon for 11. 99....

Lloyd was one of your top five character actors if the 70s? He usually played stick-up-his-ass type and had the range of tapioca. I'm sure he was a swell guy, as is his kid, but that doesn;t make him a top five character actor in the decade of character actors.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:38 am:   

No, no, I said "fave," not "top five"! I mean, I didn't love him THAT much!
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Adam-Troy
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 09:34 am:   

I liked Potente in THE PRINCESS AND THE WARRIOR.

Am looking forward to seeing THE ARISTOCRATS. Fifty comedians telling the same dirty joke.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 09:56 am:   

I hope THE ARISTOCRATS plays DC. The AMC chain, which boycotted it, is pretty strong here. I'm willing to bet it either a) won't play, or b) will be Mapplethorped by some over-eager Hill aide bitching to his/her boss.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 09:57 am:   

Okay, Dave.

I thought Princess and the Warrior was kind of a mess, but she was good. Twikers gone dowhill since, however. The Aristocrats...I don't know. Gilbert Gottfried apparently does the best job of telling the joke and that scares me.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:41 am:   

Any such compendium that omitted Rip Taylor is incomplete, IMHO...:-)
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Adam-Troy Castro
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 12:09 pm:   

PRINCESS AND THE WARRIOR was indeed a mess, but an interesting mess is better than a polished nonentity. There's enough eccentricity in it to keep me going.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 12:42 pm:   

I'll never watch it again, but it beats HEAVEN, Twiker's follow-up project, by a mile. Cate Blanchett and Giovanni Rbisi as lovers. I still get shudders.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 03:33 pm:   

Gottfried hides his talent well...
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richard
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 03:52 pm:   

Just saw THE DESCENT - fucking brilliant. It does what all real horror should do, which is make you realise death is gonna getcha in the end and there's no way out. Plus great character development, some real jump-out-of-your-seat moments when least expected, some nice twists and a cracking ending. Saying anymore would spoil it. (oh, except that the spelunking stuff created screaming claustraphobia in every audience member I could see, including me. Guys were twisting in their seats and knotting their fingers up as soon as the action moved underground - to some extent, the green lit critters are beside the point, it's about the people (shock, horror, falls down in amazement))

It has to be based on the Jeff Long book (which was one of the biggest heaps of steaming shite I've ever read, but still oddly compelling - a bit like eating a big Mac - I found I had to finish it, all the time knowing it was shit.) Looks to me as if Marshall just acquired the rights and then dumped everything except a very basic monster concept and loaded his own very sharp, very savage script on top. I mean, I liked Dog Soldiers but this is whole orders of magnitude higher on the totem pole. Think Fistful of Dollars followed by The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:29 pm:   

Sounds grear, Richard. Can't wait to see it, though I expect we'll have to wait a good while.
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MarcL
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:52 pm:   

Glad to hear there's a viable alternative to The Cave.
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richard
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 01:18 am:   

Yeah, strange that it hasn't hit the US yet. In an interview I read with Marhsall, he said that Dog Soldiers never got a theater release there which means Hollywood never came calling, because none of the studios took it seriously. Weird, I would have thought DS had Hollywood Monster Movie written all over it.

Anyway, I think they'll take this one seriously:

http://www.timeout.com/film/news/522.html

Subsequent research also seems to suggest there's no link with the Long book - which, much as I thought the book was crap and love what Marshall's done both here and elsewhere, strikes me as a bit of a stretch. Same name, same basic concept.......hmmmm.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 06:27 am:   

My must-see list:

1. The Descent
2. The Night Watch
3. London Voodoo

Interesting, isn't it, that not one of these is an American film?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 06:33 am:   

Duh! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 06:57 am:   

Actually, I kinda lookfing forward to Skeleton Key, not because I have great hopes for it. but because it's the first movie ever about Hoodoo, which is variant religion akin to Voodoo. Hopefully they'll at least define it.
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 08:54 am:   

Yeah, I thought the Skeleton Key looked like it could be kinda good.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 10:32 am:   

Except isn't it starring Kate Hudson (who I never liked)?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 11:06 am:   

Actrress often blossom when they get other than frivilous roles. I haven't liked her films either, but hey..
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Patrick Swenson
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:49 pm:   

only decent one of hers I saw was Almost Famous
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 01:16 pm:   

Ooof, I detested that movie. Only the presence of Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Lester Bangs saved it.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 01:18 pm:   

That was decent? Groupies with the pure hearts of kindegarten teachers? The doobie bros without cocaine? Okay.. It did have Frances McDormand. I didn't much care for it. but I could very well be wrohg. The thing is, this is her first big dramatic role, and the script, written by the guy who wrote the Ring 2 (argh) is suppose to redeem him...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 01:39 pm:   

AF was supposed to be an "insider's" look at rock and roll in the 70s, but it felt like it was written by a committee of space aliens who knew rock only from intercepted Casey Kasem broadcasts.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:19 pm:   

Yeah, the no cocaine thing amused me, especially since I once saw, back in the seventies, the Heart chick, go face down in a bowl of coke.
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:38 pm:   

Cocaine is probably overall, my least favourite drug I've tried. But I wouldn't say that when I'm on it.:-)
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:41 pm:   

Not that I do it much. Haven't for awhile.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:43 pm:   

Last note on The Cave. Might be worth seeing just to see if Piper Perabo digs herself out of the COYOTE UGLY/ROCKY & BULLWINKLE hole.

My favorite "oh, really?" moment was everyone, including that nasty Southern blue boogie band with Jason Lee, breaking into a spontaneous road singalong to EJ's "Tiny Dancer." Hey, that sh** could really happen! Not!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:48 pm:   

That was s'posed to be the Doobies...makes it even more incredible....

I meant to say, the Heart chick, Cameron's Crowe's wife....go facedown in a bowl of coke.
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:59 pm:   

Why didn't the Doobies just stick to doobies?

If she went facedown in a whole bowl, did she come close to an overdose?
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Laird
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:20 pm:   

Saw Ichi 1, prequel to Ichi the Killer. I haven't seen the latter--Ichi 1 was a low budget riot.

Laird
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:21 pm:   

Stephen....I didn't notice. It was that kind of party.


Laird, same for Ichi the killer.
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Laird Barron
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:30 pm:   

Thanks, Lucius. I'll check it out.

The sadistic expressions that actor came up with were priceless.

Laird
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:50 pm:   

"Stillwater" was supposed to be the Doobies? Sheesh, they sounded NOTHING like the Doobies, who at least had some good tunes. Nancy Wilson doing a Tony Montana into a bowl of coke? See, now THAT would have been the kind of mildly-interesting grace note that might have given the film some kind of authenticity. Instead, it made the whole rock scene seem really candy-assed.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:05 pm:   

Candy-ass is right . Did I say the Doobies? I did. I meant the Allman Bros. Even less authentic. Billy Crudup was supposed to be Duane Allman.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:18 pm:   

If they were supposed to be the Allman Bros., couldn't they have bothered to actually give them some marginally interesting music to play, instead of that watered-down Pat Travers they were forced to mime through? I mean, isn't Cameron Crowe supposed to be some kind of rock expert or something?

If you do a movie about rock, and get the music wrong, what have you got?
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:21 pm:   

Lucius, I see. That kind of party.

Like I said, I haven't done that much of it. But to me, the stuff seems like a cheap imitation of ecstasy, without the warm-mescaline-fuzzies, which just leaves you wanting more. But I doubt MDMA was very common in the 70s. Not only that, but it's such a dirty drug for reasons which you'd know better than anyone.

I notice that some people can't seem to shutup on it. That's why Freud loved it.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:33 pm:   

Cheap? IT cost me about 75K back in the 1986.

It;s a dangerous drug for a writer. Here's the opening of my coke novel, the 'Velt, of which AMazon is threatening to publiish a segment, that speaks to it addictive qualities.

I flirted with cocaine for ten years before I finally got serious about her. I met her at parties, we had intimate moments, and yet I always went home with somebody else. She was patient, though, knowing that one day my life would grow suddenly empty, as happens to all lives from time to time, and I would then be ready for the wounds and rituals of her affections. And when at last that day came, following the suicide of my teenage son, the child of an unfortunate early marriage, I found her waiting faithfully for me. It may seem a conceit to refer to cocaine as a woman, to personify an addiction, but cocaine is the drug with soft hands and a lover's touch, with a personality in which the submissive and the manipulative become comingled, with a mental accent of compulsion and sexuality such as attends the deepest of emotional involvements, and my usage of her had the obsessive single-mindedness and convulsed introspection of a man overwhelmed by an unhappy passion.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:39 pm:   

Dave, Crowe was a reporter for Rolling Stone back in the day. If you wanted a puff piece done for your band, you got in touch with him. He was basically a fanboy who could knew how to stroke. As to the movie, the music, this was his self-termed love letter to rock and roll. The Dreamworks people were very upset when he turned in the film--they wanted something commercial and felt he had turned in an art film. I'm not kidding.
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StephenB
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:43 pm:   

Nice!

I meant cheap as in the high, not the price. Especially considering how long it lasts and how much you pay.

I've seen guys fall from it, into serious crack addiction... Not that cocaine addiction isn't serious either.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:48 pm:   

It's very seductive and it has suprising depths. It can be a very dangerous drug for anyone with a creative side.
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StephenB
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 03:19 am:   

That's good advice. The first time I tried it, the next day, I pretty much decided it wasn't worth it. I mean, since then, I've done it occassionally when it's offered at a party or by a friend.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 05:44 am:   

Flirting. :-)
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Yasmine
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 05:46 am:   

Sorry to intrude, but thought I'd let you know that I saw The Skeleton Key recently - it was better than I thought it was going to be - not really horror - but there is a good twist at the end, which made up for the sometimes slow beginning. Kate Hudson was pretty good in it.

Best film I've seen recently has to be The Descent - within 5 mins of the film you are jumping. Excellent.

Also got to see the Ginger Snaps trilogy - the sci-fi channel in the UK was showing them back to back over the weekend. All were really enjoyable.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 06:18 am:   

If Almost Famous was an art film, then those folks must have thought Singles was the second coming of Ingmar Bergman. Almost Famous was to rock as Against the Ropes was to boxing.

I'm going to add the Skeleton Key to my must list...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 06:41 am:   

Does Dreamworks think "no explosions" = "art film"?

Crowe should have paid attention to Still Crazy (about a 70's rock band doing a 90's reunion tour). They seemed like an authentic 70's rock band. A much better job of making the band seem real than Almost Famous.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 06:47 am:   

I loved Still Crazy.. Bill Nighy was absolutely brilliant. I think you nailed it, Robert, with the Dreamworks attitude.

Thanks, Yasmine. I appreciate it, Is there any supernatural element in The Skeleton Key?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 07:27 am:   

Still Crazy is another movie I've been unable to find. It was supposed to be killer.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 08:05 am:   

Email me your address. I'll send you a copy. I have several.
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Night Shade Books
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 08:43 am:   

I love Almost Famous. But I accept that Armageddon is a lot more realistic. It may be the 70s as they never were, but it's my warm-and-fuzzy 70s as I would have wanted them to be. Who really wants to think of their heros as the snarling lunatics they really were? Well, who except Lucius, that is.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 08:51 am:   

True enough, but I do like to remember my bands as, y'know, kinda...good...

Lucius, I emailed you. Many thanks for your continuing generosity...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 08:58 am:   

Yeah, but come on...The Allman Bros singing Tiny Dancer in their bus? Gag. You're an ex-marine. Surely you wanted to see a few hotel rooms trashed, a groupie with the morals of a croc and the appetites of a goat, a rock and roll victim or three? Iggy Pop was a friend of mine back in Ann Arbor....Jerry was a lot better in real life, and I shudder to think what Crowe would have made him into...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:05 am:   

I like seeing heroes as snarling lunatics. I find real people like that much more interesting than the sanitized Hollywood versions of them. The real John Nash is much more fascinating than the crappy one provided in A Beautiful Mind. Same with just about any real person portrayed in film.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:24 am:   

What R said!

A classic case of this is Spielberg's The Terminal.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:33 am:   

I'd like to see someone make a movie out of Legs McNeil's Please Kill Me. Now, that would be eye-opening.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:34 am:   

IMHO, I've only seen one scripted movie that ever got rock and roll right, and it was Michael Winterbottom's 24 HOUR PARTY PEOPLE...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:39 am:   

Jailhouse Rock....

:-)

Syd and Nancy?
There's never been a film that got American rock and roll right.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:59 am:   

I hated Sid and Nancy. Alex Cox took these characters that were supposed to be the Heartbreakers and turned them into these poofy-haired poodles who looked like Brian May impersonators.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:15 am:   

I kinda liked Johnny Rotten..
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MarcL
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:11 am:   

New Miike (Big Spook War) opens in Japan this weekend:

http://yokai-movie.com/index.html
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MarcL
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:24 am:   

Seems like if you wanted to do a real Sex Pistols movie you'd want to base it on 12 DAYS ON THE ROAD. There's a bit with one of them, probably Sid (I read it years ago), so sick that he's puking and shitting diarrhea all over a groupie he's trying to have sex with. That scene left quite an impression and I'd expect it to be the centerpiece of any authentic movie.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:48 am:   

Impressions on a Dylan bio flick directed by Todd Haynes?
Loved Still Crazy.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:52 am:   

Haven't seen it. But Haynes might do a good job.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:07 pm:   

Thought you might have heard rumours about it. It's still listed as in pre-production on imdb. The plot outline - "Ruminations on the life of Bob Dylan, where seven characters embody a different aspect of the musician's life and work." - sounds like all his movies! Difference this time is the characters are all women. Working title "I'M NOT THERE: Suppositions on a Film Concerning Dylan".
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:10 pm:   

Gee, I don't really like that idea. That sounds way too....how shall I say it? Bullshit intellectual. I
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Rich
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   

Yup.
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Rich
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:32 pm:   

Cate Blanchett, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Julianne Moore, etc. as Dylan.
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StephenB
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:40 pm:   

What the fuck?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:45 pm:   

I think Haynes is showing a definite narrowing of perspective and an atrophying of range by not having at least one crustacean Dylan, one flightless bird Dylan, and one coniferous tree Dylan. Restricting Sir Bob to one gender of a single species is a slap in the face to Dylanophiles everywhere. For shame, Mr. Haynes!!

Personally, I'm waiting for LIKE A ROLLING STONE: Bob Dylan as Igneous Rock by the National Geographic Society.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 01:00 pm:   

Dave said it for me.
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Rich
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 01:38 pm:   

Nice one, Dave
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StephenB
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 01:50 pm:   

I'd rather see a documentary of him on tour. I saw him live once. He played mostly his new rocky blues stuff.
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Rich
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 02:02 pm:   

StephenB: You'll get your chance next month. NO DIRECTION HOME directed by Martin Scorsese. PBS debut. CD and DVD tie in. And be sure to grab a Dylan coffee and CD from Starbucks on the way home from work.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 02:06 pm:   

:-)
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StephenB
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 02:23 pm:   

Scorsese? Noo!
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Yasmine
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 03:10 pm:   

>>Thanks, Yasmine. I appreciate it, Is there any supernatural element in The Skeleton Key?

There is some supernatural element and they do talk about Hoodoo, which i thought was interesting. It touches on the whole: "if you don't believe in it, then it can't affect you" and how "it's all in the mind" debate.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 03:21 pm:   

Thanks again. I was looking to review it and now I will. Sounds interesting indeed.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 06:16 am:   

My biggest Dylan regret was finding Canadian videotapes of HARD RAIN, the Rolling Thunder doc that aired on network TV in the 70s and then vanished from sight, and EAT THE DOCUMENT, the never-released Pennebaker doc of the 1966 Dylan-Band tour, on eBay and not bidding on them.

I would love to see either of those works. I think HARD RAIN is one of the most underrated rock records ever.

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