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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 06:32 am:   

Boy, did Dallas luck out. First, Shawn Merriman lashed out at the Cowboys for not drafting him and now it looks very much as if he's gonna be a holdout. Whew! Demarcus looks better and better, with Parcells giving him LT praise.

And Smith looks like he's gonna be the starter in SF. The kid can play.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 09:28 am:   

From what I hear, the Cowboys don't want to negotiate with David Poston, for any player, ever. And it looks like with good reason. Regardless, the 'boys are looking smart. And with Bledsoe QBing, they could be dangerous. Not enough to unseat Philly (unless it becomes The Team T.O. Broke), but top Wild Card contendah...

Of course, Bledsoe has never been very good at beating teams with good defenses--his performances against top Ds often border on abysmal. But if Jones is back and is any good, and the d plays even half as good as it looks on paper, it might not make that much difference.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 09:36 am:   

Yeah, I look for the Boys to step, I'm rooting for season ending injury to McNab. Who's their backup? :-)
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The Ex-Brownatar
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 10:03 am:   

So...Winslow with a season-ending wheelie in a parking lot; Edwards with a first-minicamp groin pull (probably becaue the only thing he worked out prior to arrival was his smile); QB who could be the second coming of Testaverde...

I am so done with the Browns.

No kidding.

I mean it this time.

Go Cards! Go Stillers!

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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 10:55 am:   

Jints sign Tim Hasselbeck to back up Eli. Not a bad signing. Hasselbeck showed promise in the few minutes he played for Joe Gibbs.
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Minz :-)
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 12:05 pm:   

Go Cards, I get. But Go Stillers?!?! From a Brownatar--even a former Brownatar? Next thing you know, it'll be Go Ravens!
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   

Oh, no, never. The Ravens carry the stench of Modell.

Remember, Minz, I had an office overlooking the scenic Monongahela River for ten years...I drank my share of IC Light...the Stillers may lose the tough ones, too, but at least they don't start beating themselves in May every year.




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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 12:38 pm:   

Are you really serious, Brownatar? Give Romeo a chance, and if it don't work out, I'll join you in the exodus...

Tim Hasselbeck showed promise? Promise of what?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   

Beside, the Cardatar sounds like a heart condition...
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 01:00 pm:   

"Give Romeo a chance..."

Yeah, that's what they told Juliet.

Nope. There's no turning back. I'm done. I've thrown my last dog biscuit at the TV.

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 01:10 pm:   

And you don't even have a dog...

Oh, well, I'm alone in Browns hell, but I'm keeping a toe in Card limbo....
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 01:11 pm:   

I got that way with the lakers when they traded Shaq....I understand.
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 01:34 pm:   

To be honest, my loyalty developed unmendable cracks when Belicheck released Kosar. (See, there is a reason I loathe Belicheck.)

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 01:40 pm:   

Bellichek wasn't Bellichek when he was with the Browns. Remeber his draft, that whole mess with Kyle Brady? He's obviously more together now....

But yeah, that wasn't cool. Pretty soon you're gonna talk me out on that ledge... :-)
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 01:45 pm:   

Oh, was that his evil twin from the Star Trek evil twin planet? Well, I don't like either one of them.

It's nice on the ledge...pretty birds...

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 02:24 pm:   

You're a consistent loather, I'll give you that.

Are any of the birds brown? :-)
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 06:24 am:   

Keep your eyes out for that most elusive of birds, the Sipe. Ever gone on a Sipe Hunt?
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Deborah
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 07:50 am:   

If their heads have hit the turf enough times they're real easy to catch.

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 07:59 am:   

:-)

They would be akin, then, to the Young of the 49er bird....
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 01:30 pm:   

Let's not forget the Southern Aikman.

(Always thought he'd be the one to go before Young, but that OL of his got soooo good.)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 02:09 pm:   

or the "I'm concussed but you can't tell" pileated Farve....

:-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 07:27 pm:   

There's always room for another Cowboy fan, Ex-Brownatar. Root for them.

C'mon. You know you want to. All the cool kids are doing it.
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Deborah
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 07:29 pm:   

But I heard the Cowboys are a gateway team...best not to risk it.

:-)

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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 07:33 pm:   

What's a gateway team? You mean gateway to immortality, I guess.... :-)
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Deborah
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 08:11 pm:   

No...to All Things Texas. I mean, you watch the 'Boys and during a time-out some time in November, they're bound to mention the Mavs and so you start wonderin' if maybe you ought to check out one of their games, then you get thinking about the Rangers and how their pitching's going to be next year, then somebody mentions the 'Horns and the next thing you know you're wearing boots and a hat and calling Thanksgiving "Game Day Eve."

It's not pretty.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 08:25 pm:   

:-)

Gotcha.

it's never worked that way with me, but I follow the Cane-Gator trail....
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 11:44 pm:   

Besides, it's always best to follow one simple rule. Never, ever root for a team that calls itself "America's Team". It leads to Presidents like Bush.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 05:02 am:   

Does that apply to America's BADger?
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barth
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 11:25 am:   

"It leads to Presidents like Bush."


Or does it lead to Jim Hightower, Molly Ivins, Anne Richards, Earth First!, or bands like Ed Hall or ...

Jesus Tap Dancing Christ! Am I defending Texas???
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 11:42 am:   

I doubt Miz Ivings or Ed Hall give a shit about the Cowboys....

You're not defending Texas, you're defending America's Team.
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Minz
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 11:48 am:   

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/05/11/bc.fbn.vikings.smithdet .ap/index.html

Ahh, the picture is beginning to clear. Brother Barth has decided the Vikes big mistake wasn't giving up so much for Hershel, as opposed to failing to import that Big D lifestyle. North Dallas Forty North, as it were.

"The Original Whizzinator": priceless.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 12:02 pm:   

What is it about the midwest that causes black men to go mad? Ahman? Onterrio? Anyone?
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b
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 12:27 pm:   

Now we know why Tice kept four running backs and drafted a fifth, eh?
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Minz
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 01:01 pm:   

Better hope the MJ charges against Campbell go away, or he's going into the program too (with the confidentiality clause, he could already be in the program, which would mean suspension...)

Here's some insightful commentary from SI's Mike Silver. I have to agree, I don't think the NFL should be testing for recreational drugs, just performance enhancers (unless a team has a reason to have negotiated such a thing into the contract, due to conduct detrimental, etc) What someone does to blow off steam on their own time is nobody's business. And if they've screwed up their personal lives without harming others, then it's between them and the people paying 'em. The NFL should just worry about the integrity of the game. Ahman Green's conduct--and the numerous instances like it, involving violence to women--is much more disturbing and should raise more flags than a little marijahoopy. Though it doesn't sound like Green actually crossed the line, by the reports. But he's walked right up to that line at least a couple of times. It'd be wonderful if the league would take it seriously, force players into sensitivity training, anger management, etc. Anyway, Silver's column:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/michael_silver/05/13/silver.smith/ index.html
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 01:06 pm:   

C'mon, Green's from Nebraska. He's crossed that line..
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 02:09 pm:   

Not to worry Deb, I'm a Dallas fan but I don't care about the Mavs. I'm a Spurs fan. ;)

I do, however, wear boots on occasion, and I always talk funny.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 02:15 pm:   

So did the Village People. :-)
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barth
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 02:57 pm:   

"Better hope the MJ charges against Campbell go away, or he's going into the program too (with the confidentiality clause, he could already be in the program, which would mean suspension...)"

Worry about the plank in your own receiver's eye before pointing out the mote in mine. :-)

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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 04:48 pm:   

Are the Vikes going to make King Missile's "Detachable Penis" an official "jock jam" at their games next season?
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 10:45 am:   

Just imagine the TD celebration Moss could've had with the Whizzinator tucked away for the right moment...

Javon is sounding more and more like an idiot: http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/may05/326075.asp
I don't think it's too wise to compare yourself to a soldier going out on to the battlefield. 1) You're making millions to play a game. 2) Those soldiers sure as hell don't have the option of holding out. Not to mention he's got the hubris to suggest he should've been paid more just based upon his performance in three games at the end of his second season! The more he opens his mouth, the less he's going to find much sympathy.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 12:38 pm:   

Javon sounds like a swell guy to me. I like him!

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 02:30 pm:   

A quiz....

Who was the first team to run the shotgun?

Who was the first team to run a portion of the west coast offense?

Who was the first team to run the draw play?
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 03:06 pm:   

Shotgun: Stanford (Pop Warner coach) though I believe it was the 49ers that first used it in pros (having stolen it from Pop)

WC Offense: Oddly enough, the Raiders (when Bill Walsh worked as an ast coach to Al Davis...)

The Draw: Well, I'd argue it's really a modern version of the Statue of Liberty play, which is ancient (I want to say first used at Univ of Michigan, but that's a total guess). I really don't know who used what was first called the "draw play" so I'll say Curly Lambeau invented it for the Packers.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 03:09 pm:   

Wrong

Wrong

Wrong

There's a reason this is under pro football
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 03:32 pm:   

Well, I believe the Statue of Liberty pre-dates people getting paid to play the game, but I can't wait to learn the answers... Or at least your version of the answers :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 03:41 pm:   

The statue of liberty has nothing to do with the draw play, Minz. And my version corresponds with the NFL, so there.....

:-)
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 05:10 pm:   

49ers

Bengals

49ers

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:06 pm:   

Wrong

Close :-)

Wrong
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:07 pm:   

Should I give the answers?
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:09 pm:   

Yeah...and your source, if you would be so kind.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:18 pm:   

The Browns, under Paul Brown, with Otto Graham at QB, ran a portion of the West Coast offense in the early fifties. Graham wanted to run more of it, but Brown, who was the progenitor, was too conservative and wanted to stick to the run.

The Browns were also the first team to run the draw play. It came about as result of poorly timed handoff between Graham and Marion Motley which went for a huge gain. Brown thereafter drew up as a play....

The first pro team to run the shotgun was the Washington Redskins in 1960. They used it primarly as a run offense, and in 1961 Billy Killmer gained over 860 yards, mostly running out of that formation.

My source, oh unsmiling one, is the NFL playbook show, which this very day, ran a program on the evolution of NFL offenses, and did quite a job, even down to showing the bad handoff that Graham and Motley ran.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:20 pm:   

Note the Browns have really built on that foundation.... :-)
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:28 pm:   

Ahem. I was smiling in my mind.

You know...I guess if you look at it the right way you could also say Grog and the boys were the first to use a nickel package when five of them got behind some boulders and threw sticks at the sabre-toothed tiger...

I was thinkg more in terms of the post-helmet game.

:-)
:-)
:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:33 pm:   

Are you referring to the west coast question? Brown really did run a large part of it...didn't Wash coach under him?
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:43 pm:   

I was being silly.

Yeah, on the WC offense question I was thinking about Walsh as OC for the Bengals which woulda been around 1970, I think...

I didn't remember seeing the shot gun until the late 70s or ealry 80s, and I actually thought the draw play had been around longer and I'm not sure why I said 49ers in my original answer.

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:53 pm:   

Confused in Wilsonville.... :-)

I wasn't surprised by the shotgun, but I was a bit by the draw....

Anyway,,,,football...
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 07:06 pm:   

Well, the other reason I should've known the draw was much earlier was that draws (and screens) had made their way into the SEC games by the 70s now that I think of it.

What college teams started using the shotgun first? You remember?

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 07:13 pm:   

Nope, but it was probably a small college team. Most of the innovations come from that quarter. I seem to remember Billy Cannon taking some snaps at tailback in the shotgun for LSU, that was in 60, but I know it was must have started before then. Them was radio days for me--listening under the cover to the Gators and Canes getting their asses kicked. Time have changed...YAH! :-)
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 07:18 pm:   

It seems like i remember the Tide using the shotgun some, but I can't remember how early it was.

And, in further evidence of the Browns continuing commitment to innovation, I hear they're adding a new position to their offense this fall...wait for it...

The Intended Receiver.


Thank you, thank you, very much...don't forget to tip your wait-staff.

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 07:25 pm:   

You've used that before, but when it's apt, it's apt....

Another position they got a lot of is Substitute QB...To quote the ex-brownatar, Alas
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 07:46 pm:   

Yeah, it's the off-season. Whadya want? I'm learning a new system.

Alas is right.

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 07:50 pm:   

Hey, no boos from this heckler, By the time the season rolls around, you'll have your good stuff....

and so will I.... :-)

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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 06:34 am:   

I just saw this piece on the Patriots that makes a case that they'll be better this year, because they get all the rookies they signed last year, the talent added in the off-season, etc. Can they be stopped? Personally, despite off-season improvements in Pit and SD, I have a feeling those teams are in the same position that Houston was in the 70s during the Pittsburgh dynasty, and right now NE is my pick for the Super Bowl.....While I'd rather they win than the Iggles, I'm getting sick of this. But who's gonna beat 'em?



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Minz
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 12:13 pm:   

I also went with Walsh for the WC, but pre-dating his Cincy days. Shoulda known Otto would've been the first practitioner (vague recollections of early footage of his ball-control passing game...)

But as for the shotgun, according to the Pro Football Hall of Fame website:
San Francisco first used the shotgun on November 27, 1960 in a game against the  Baltimore Colts . Hickey knew the Colts had a terrific pass rush, so in preparing for the game he had his quarterbacks practice taking snaps seven yards deep rather than from under center. This, he reasoned, would not only give his quarterbacks more time to spot receivers, but also cause the Colts to rethink their defensive alignment. He was right on both accounts.

I wonder when the 'Skins first ran it in '60?

And it was basically a part of Pop Warner's Double Wing B offense that he ran at Stanford (even if it wasn't called the shotgun).
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 12:23 pm:   

Well, that goes against what the NFL network says....

Oh, well....
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:46 am:   

Walsh sent me to the WC as well, because he was so offensive. :-)

Sorry . . . Couldn't resist . . .
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:10 am:   

Try harder next time...to resist, I mean. :-)
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Minz
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 09:52 am:   

Lucius: Since your source said the Skins ran it in '60, they very well may have edged the 49ers.

I also look forward to Lucius and Barth trying to poke a hole in my happy balloon, but for now:
http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_21046198.shtml

“I’m more excited about this year. I don’t know if my heart has been in the game the last two years, but it is now.”--Brett Favre :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:03 am:   

Am I the only one who let out a chuckle when I saw that Brett Favre was doing ads for Sensodyne toothpaste, "the experts in pain relief"? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:25 am:   

Too bad his arm, his back, his legs, and his liver aren't in the game. I doubt his heart can take the hits...seeing his rib cage isn't in the game, either.

And oh yeah...too bad his O Line isn't in the game.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:30 am:   

"Then, after hours of prayer, Deanna was cleared after her second radiation treatment and is in remission."

The prayer was the thing that did it.

My God, Minz, has it come to this? Relying on a puff piece in (drum roll) the Biioxi Sun Times to boost your faith?

Holy Shit.

I call that grasping at microscopic straws.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:36 am:   

Lalalalalalala :-)
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minz
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

I'm not listening. :-)


(Okay, mostly I'm just trying to provide our "cross between H.L. Mencken and Harlan Ellison" with a little inspiration, in order to keep the football chatter going. I really do love that line, very insightful.)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 11:07 am:   

The Biloxi Sun Times...Jesus. You never stooped that low before!

Re LALALA...

Don't really matter if you're listening, Farve still gonna go splat like a rotten peach this season....
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barth
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 12:01 pm:   

I just hope he lasts till week seven. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 12:40 pm:   

Nah, that'll be the Aaron Rogers debut and funeral.... :-)
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 06:44 am:   

You heard it here first: Brett Favre wins the MVP, mostly on the sentimental vote...

(Note the lack of smiley face.)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 08:02 am:   

Ohmygod! To win the MVP, he doesn't have to do as much as other people, because he's America's retard and white, but even so...He'll be toast after this year.

Jesus, Minz. Go read the Biloxi Sun and pray for Deanna.
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:-) Minz:-)
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:28 am:   

:-)
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 09:11 am:   

Say, what's all this dumping on the Biloxi Sun Times? They gave Fat White Vampire Blues a really nice review back in 2003. Thanks to them, I sold and signed 23 copies at the Gulfport Barnes and Noble.

&;^)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 09:33 am:   

"Then, after hours of prayer, Deanna was cleared after her second radiation treatment and is in remission."

I rest my case regarding the Biloxi Sun Times.

Good for you, Andy, I doubt it was the news that did it...
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 01:32 pm:   

That's merely reporting that they prayed a lot during the treatment. It doesn't actually say the praying healed her. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 01:56 pm:   

That's not my reading of it,,,,,

The Biloxi Sun Times....Sweet Jesus!
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 06:53 am:   

LMAO. Until camp opens, we're all desperate... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 07:00 am:   

Not Biloxi Sun times desperate. That's just you.... :-)
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 07:31 am:   

Hey, it was picked up by the Green Bay Press-Gazette. Clearly, this is top-notch Biloxi Sun-Times work, the creme de la creme. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 07:35 am:   

The Green Bay Press Gazette....Oh, now there's a great world newspaper. Be sure to keep us updated if anything should appear on Brett in the Weehauken Weekly Shopper.....
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 07:45 am:   

My condolences, Lucius & Brownatar. Here's a little confirmation on the Winslow front:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2063459
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 07:55 am:   

Yeah, I caught that. Sucks, but predictable.

Hey, I'm off to seattle to meet Jeff f an Liz hand.

See ya...
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:06 am:   

Have a grand time, and be sure to give Ford a lot of crap for crawling back here (j.k.)
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Minz
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 06:20 am:   

Oh BAAaaarth:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2064069

:-)
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lucius
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 07:34 am:   

oh minz!

That's why they drafted ciatrick fason!

:-)
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Minz
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 08:00 am:   

Here's hoping Fason is a SOD, just like Smith...
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Barth
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

Mon dieu! What's this you say? Onterrio Smith has a drug problem?? Next you'll be telling me Robert Smith is soon to retire. Zut alors!

Not only is Onterrio's impending suspension why Tice drafted Fason this year, it's why he drafted Moore *last* year. So now the Wiz can suck hookah all day if he likes.

Here's this year's training camp news: Moore vs Bennett. And I'm ok with either. :-)
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Minz
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 01:23 pm:   

Yeah, nothin' like getting back to your power rushing game by relying on an oft-injured track star prima donna...

DUDE, that 800 number is bogus...So much for my special collectible b&w 2-page section on Kiln MS most-famous resident that walks on two legs.
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Barth
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 02:51 pm:   

Gosh you're so right. Sure wish we had your fumbling wife-beater behind a crumbling o-line! :-)
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Barth
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 02:52 pm:   

"Crumbled," not crumbling. My bad!
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Barth
Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 02:15 pm:   

Unintentional Pun of the Week:

A letter writer to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune today was taking Onterrio Smith to task for failing to take his pee test. Without a shred of irony, he said that Smith was “missing a golden opportunity.”
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 02:45 pm:   

The same way Ricky Williams let his opportunity go up in smoke.

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lucius in Seattle
Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 08:41 pm:   

But Rickey And Saban are talking...
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Deborah
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 07:20 am:   

I didn't intend a substantive comment...I was attempting another pun of the type Barth quoted. Apparently it didn't work.
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~b.
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 10:02 am:   

Well, we'll just have to wait till Ricky and Saban hash this out, I guess.
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Lucius In Vancouver
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 12:07 pm:   

God, Deborah...It worked, already! I was just pointing out that was a slight difference, and being ironic at the same time, because I doubt a conversation with Ricky will do Nick any good.....

Take it easy....
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:32 am:   

The tagline on ESPN re: Ricky & Saban was:

Hash-back Option?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:40 am:   

Hee hee

Also an article on the Browns DL now in Denver, saying how awesome they'll be.

Yeccchh.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 09:41 am:   

Look out below, Lucius! Your buddy Tony Kornheiser's Wash Post column today ("What We've Got Here is a Failure to Communicate") taking swipes at Sean Taylor, Edge James, Shockey, Winslow and all "the U guys..." who "enjoy getting into scrapes with management..." :-(
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 09:47 am:   

He's just doing his shock jock thing. He doesn't know from sports anymore.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 06:04 am:   

The horsecollar tackle has been officially banned by the National Girlie Man League. What a crock!
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 06:20 am:   

I was against the ban of the horsecollar from the get-go, but after reading more about the whole situation, I can't entirely blame the league. Roy Williams, all by his lonesome, injured four different players with the horsecollar last year. And by what I've read, he could've tackled them in more conventional means in at least two of the incidences, and a third was questionable. Like going for the head shot, it is a dangerous maneuver.

I'm not saying I agree with the ban, though if I'm against chop blocks, which I most vociferously am, I'm a little more in the middle ground now. That being said, horsecollar tackles are far from easily avoided. In general, it's not a taught technique. There are times when that's the only way a guy can make a tackle. But I'm not willing to castigate the league quite so vociferously as I was when the subject was first broached.

And if they're going to ban the horsecollar (a questionable judgment), they have no excuse NOT to ban cutblocking. That Denver line has injured untold number of DL over the years. If the league is serious about protecting players (and not just pretty-boy offensive ballhandlers), cut blocks MUST BE BANNED.

IMSHO
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 06:21 am:   

Next up, Chris Mortensen reports, the competition committee is taking up some other inherently hazardous and menacing practices, including:

the "really mean shove"
the "nasty scowl"
the "bitchy poke"
the "looks-accidental-but-really-intentional bump on the way to the huddle", and
the "flinch-making feint," which was responsible for putting New York Giants backup wideout on the bench for two games last season.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 06:58 am:   

How do you tackle a guy from behind? Go for his knees? That'll soon be a no-no.

Cut-blocking...yeah. But the horse-collar? Maybe RW is just too strong and they should ban him!
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 07:32 am:   

News Flash: Kansas City Chiefs running back Priest Holmes may miss one or more exhibition contests after being sidelined with a vicious "oooo, I'll give you such a pinch, ya big stinky" during full contact drills earlier this week. The Chiefs organization could not be reached for comment, but trainers were reportedly aghast at the side of the "really angry looking strawberry" Holmes had suffered.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 08:45 am:   

Like I said, I don't actually support the ban on the horsecollar, and think the pantywaists should ban cutblocks (and let's throw in Astroturf if they're sincerely worried about the players' health, as they claim in this two-faced sham of a ban). I think it is totally in-line with the National Fancypants League, and their efforts to overly shield the wussy offensive players (barely allowed to a touch a QB these days--BARF!). I'm not agreeing, I'm just saying it's not surprising.

And, in truth, I'm just not vehemently spewing venom about the horsecollar ban the way I was when they first raised the issue back in March. Roy Williams is a big meany, and should be punished for it! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 09:09 am:   

Nope, it's not surprising. And Roy should get a good caning.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 12:47 pm:   

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8501036

Arizona Cardinals: Team...of...Destiny
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 01:34 pm:   

I knew they were a Team of Destiny when I walked outside one morning and saw the image of a cartoon cardinal caused by reflected sunlight on a warp in my aluminum siding.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:07 pm:   

I saw a cardinal in a plate of refried beans! It's the apocalypse!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:11 pm:   

I saw a cardinal behind a choir boy....Oops! Wrong kind...
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:07 am:   

So the Browns are going to seek the repayment of $3 million of Winslow's signing bonus after he misses mini-camp in a couple of weeks.

Did Ricky Williams ever have to pay anything back to the Fins? How was that all worked out in the end?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:17 am:   

Rickey's coming back, apparently, so don't look for repaynent. He'll get in shape and then be tradebait for the Dolphins.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   

Yeah, he's gotta be worth at least a dime bag and a second round pick.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 01:38 pm:   

Well, I don't think they'll get a second rounder for him. Fourth, maybe. Nobody would take Edgerrin for a second rounder and he's got way less baggage.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 10:36 pm:   

I was looking at the Street and Smith Pro Football preview and I noticed that in their rating of QBs that they had Brett Farve rated above Tom Brady. That's ridiculous, I thought. Three super bowls, rarely makes a big mistake, always through in the clutch. Then I noticed it was a fantasy football rating, and it made perfect sense. That what Farve has always been, a great fantasy QB, great stats, great arm, etc, but as a NFL quarterback, he's about the same level as Doug Williams. Farve probably should have won three SBs with the support he had. He won one. And that was basically Holmgren pulling his strings. Oh, well. That was just me saying Auf Weidersehn, Minz. :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 06:05 am:   

Makes me wonder how, if at all, fantasy football influences an NFL team's hiring decisions. Anyone smell a betting conspiracy? Or is that just a fun speculative fiction trope?
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 07:07 am:   

If you want to know how fantasy football influences an NFL team's hiring decisions, just look at the Washington Redskins' moves over the past five or six years. It's not even good fantasy football decision making.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 07:22 am:   

I don't think It's a betting conspriacy as much as a conspiracy of dumbass...

But you ignore the subtext, guys. The Street and Smith Pro Football preview is out.. Even in the midst of baseball (The horror!) there is a ray of football. :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:01 am:   

So the NFL mags are prognosticating even before the College mags. Wow. That's ballsy.

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:07 am:   

Yup. S&S prognosticates an INDY-Eagles super bowl. If that happens, and I don't think it will, I won't be watching.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:15 am:   

The really tough thing to take about an Indy-Eagles Super Bowl, what will make it an absolutely bitter, hard-fought, tooth and nail affair, is that try as both squads might with every fiber of their beings, SOMEBODY will have to win it. A shame, but, alas, true. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:32 am:   

Well, you can't trust S&S. I mean, for Christ's sake, they pick the Giants to make the playoffs.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:52 am:   

Woo hoo! Playoffs here we come! Peyton vs. Eli...I can see it now! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 01:14 pm:   

Offensive line.....?

You can see it now? That's downright Farvian!!!!
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 01:18 pm:   

I can see the promos...."Manning a Manning, for all the marbles..." Oh, the drama, the excitement! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 01:46 pm:   

Marbles is exactly right, 'cause these two assholes are never, that's right, never gonna win a Super Bowl....
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 02:11 pm:   

Hey, you have to admit that was a cute line, though. "Manning a Manning"...How DO I do it?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 02:40 pm:   

How? I think you were used as a football in the fourth grade....

:-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 02:42 pm:   

Well, as long as we're tossing about useless prognostications, what's S&S's take on Dallas?

I love me some football mags, but the S&S seems way early this year.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 02:46 pm:   

Hey, I'm rubber and you're glue and all that rot...:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 03:05 pm:   

Third place in the division. Bullshit!

Hey, Dave, I'm not glue, man. I'm PCP. :-)



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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:21 am:   

I'd have to agree with Lucius. I mean, who's Dallas actually going to beat out? Third seems optimistic... :-)
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:26 am:   

Okay, I see Big D(umbasses) as easily being in the hunt for second. If the revamped OL can actually give Bledsoe some time to throw, I'd consider them the fav for 2nd--the defense should be dangerous. But I can't see 'em taking down Philly. Not unless Philly fires Reid and hires Mike Tice to be the head coach.

That being said, never underestimate a Super Bowl loser's ability to suffer a huge letdown the following season. It's happened a whole lotta times...In fact, Buffalo deserves a lot of credit for being repeat losers so many times--quite an accomplishment of futility (or an indictment of the AFC of that time).
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:54 am:   

I agree with your take on this, Minz. Except for the dumbass part, natch.

I expect Dallas to be a wild card team with a slight chance of taking the division. The Giants and Skins will, of course, suck.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 07:47 am:   

Well, whatever, the Boys'll do better than the Pack, who BTW, the experts at S&S do not have making the playorffs...

However, they're not perfect. They have the Seahags and the Rams going 1-2 in the NFC West....

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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 08:40 am:   

As long as the Giants break even and beat the Skins twice, I'll be happy.
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~b.
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 09:33 am:   

"Not unless Philly fires Reid and hires Mike Tice to be the head coach."

From your mouth to God's ears, Lucius Shepard.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:02 am:   

Well, not to be noodge, Barth, but that would be from _my_ fingers to God's ears, but heck, what does an editor know? (Don't answer that--purely rhetorical).

As for the downfall of the Packers, I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm not even saying it can't happen this year. I'm just saying I've been hearing the same thing ever since Reggie retired. And until they are officially knocked out as Division champs (or the Vikes get a real coach), I like our chances. I think the coaching staff is going to bring it this year, especially on D, and the younger players are going to respond big time.

And boy, is it going to be ugly if the day ever comes... A roast to end all roasts.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:22 am:   

I like your chances too...Your chances to get the crap beat out of your team.'

"And boy, is it going to be ugly if the day ever comes... A roast to end all roasts."

Are you kidding? The pack have won, what?, one super bowl since the sixties. There's no gonna be no big celebration when they go, because they've been gone for years now, and they just weren't that big a factor in modern times, no matter how much the GB fans delude themselves and pretend that they were all that -- they haven't been all that since the 60s..

No big celebration, Minz. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:01 pm:   

But let it be SUCH a whimper...

(I had been referring to our local environs, and how you and Barth would lead the way in sending me and my beloved Packers to sulk in our tents, hip deep in appropriate insults and mockeries.)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:06 pm:   

No, not really. It'll be pretty steady state.... :-)
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Barth
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:54 pm:   

"but heck, what does an editor know? (Don't answer that--purely rhetorical)."

Doh. My bad.

But, hey, when you're ready to move beyond rhetoricals, call me, I got some answers for ya. ;)

Lucius (for real this time): "No, not really. It'll be pretty steady state...."

Not me. I'll be taunting a la Cleese at "Grail's" end, waving my private parts at your aunties.

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 04:12 pm:   

Y'see that just make Minz think the Pack are special, when they're really not.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 06:35 am:   

They're retiring Reggie's jersey on Opening Day. Only the fifth such honoree. (until Lucius farvorite player retires)

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