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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 07:10 am:   

DRAFT WHISPERS: The fact South Carolina WR Troy Williamson was invited to the team's complex says two things: The Browns are eager to trade down from No. 3 overall in the first round, and they are keenly aware their top two wideouts, Andre Davis and Antonio Bryant, have contracts that expire after the season. G.M. Phil Savage will consider trading down in any round to add picks.


TARGETING: With as many holes as this team has, some in the organization believe quarterback is the wrong way to go with the third overall pick. Trent Dilfer can handle the job, and Luke McCown has long-range potential. Savage, at least publicly, still is considering QBs Aaron Rodgers (California) and Alex Smith (Utah).


If Auburn RB Ronnie Brown drops to No. 3, it's a safe bet the Browns will trade down; if Brown is taken in the first two picks, trade options get fuzzy. If the team stays at No. 3, Texas LB Derrick Johnson and Michigan WR Braylon Edwards could be the top options, with Miami CB Antrel Rolle on the fringe. Each has flaws, which could bring one of the quarterbacks back into play. One veteran scout says Edwards is a shade slow to be drafted so high.


LSU DE Marcus Spears, Florida State OT Alex Barron and West Virginia CB Adam Jones could be targets if the team moves down. Savage's best chance to trade for extra picks might involve moving his second-rounder. If he keeps the pick, candidates include Clemson CB Justin Miller, Oklahoma S Brodney Pool, Virginia LB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia G Elton Brown and Auburn QB Jason Campbell.


Despite signing Gs Joe Andruzzi and Cosey Coleman, the team will consider selecting a guard in Round 2 or 3. Cornerback is a need because Daylon McCutcheon is best suited to play the slot. Adding linebackers, defensive linemen
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 07:15 am:   

 

DRAFT WHISPERS: With two picks (11 and 20), the Cowboys have a chance to be players in the first round; owner Jerry Jones and coach Bill Parcells both like to trade on draft day. The final decision on a shift to the 3-4 defense won't come until after the draft because the team still needs another end, outside linebacker and inside linebacker to make it work. If Dallas acquires Saints RE Darren Howard, a player the team has been discussing trading for during the past month, it's an indication the club will stay with the 4-3.


TARGETING: The team's entire draft centers on finding someone -- an end or an outside linebacker -- who can make plays in the opponent's backfield. Dallas didn't force enough turnovers (22) or generate enough sacks (33) last season to satisfy Parcells. Maryland's Shawne Merriman should be available at No. 11. He could be used as a pass-rushing end and as a linebacker on occasion if Dallas goes to the 3-4. He's undersized for an end (6-2, 274), though. Wisconsin's Erasmus James (6-4, 266) also is undersized, but he is a playmaker. Dallas could take him at No. 20. The team could try to add a fast receiver (possibly Arkansas' Matt Jones or UAB's Roddy White) in the second round. The Cowboys also might seek a ballhawking free safety in Round 2 or 4. Oklahoma's Brodney Pool and Virginia Tech's Vincent Fuller are candidates. Pool has good ball skills and is better in zone coverage than man-to-man. Dallas likes to play a lot of two-deep zone coverage. Although the team wants a classic free safety, it emphasizes stopping the run so much that the player also must be physical. Second-day priorities include a backup running back who can catch and serve as a third-down back -- Louisiana Tech's Ryan Moats, a Dallas native, falls into that category -- an offensive lineman and an inside linebacker.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 07:18 am:   

DRAFT WHISPERS: New G.M. Ted Thompson likes to accumulate picks, and with an extra second-rounder he might have enough ammunition to end up with five or more first-day selections. Thompson has let several key free agents leave and has gutted the roster of others he thought should be replaced, so he must find rookies who can contribute right away. The Packers need to prop up the back end of the roster and add speed and youth to the defense and special teams.


TARGETING: New coordinator Jim Bates needs more speed at defensive end, linebacker and safety, and Thompson will try to oblige. The first three or four selections could be defensive players. The team's primary need is at safety, but Georgia's Thomas Davis likely will be gone by No. 24. Oklahoma S Brodney Pool is a possibility in the first round, especially with his 4.5 40 time, but more than likely, the best available player will be a defensive end. The strong outside pass rushing of Oklahoma E Dan Cody or Troy E/OLB Demarcus Ware would bolster Bates' system, which relies on pressure from the front four. Linebacker is another area of need, and the team wants someone who can run. Nick Barnett can play all three positions, and Na'il Diggs can play at least two, so it doesn't matter what spot the new linebacker plays. Tennessee LB Kevin Burnett has the size, speed and know-how that Bates appreciates. The exception to the team's focus on defense could be at quarterback or guard. The club might consider Akron's Charlie Frye, Auburn's Jason Campbell or Purdue's Kyle Orton as a developmental quarterback. After losing top-flight free-agent Gs Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera, the team will be on the lookout for young replacements. The club has had a lot of luck drafting starters in the late rounds and likely will draft a guard late. But the team could take a chance on an athletic guard such as Alabama's Evan Mathis or BYU's Scott Young if one is available the first day. The Packers also might look at a running back after the second round; Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport will be unrestricted free agents after the season.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 07:20 am:   

DRAFT WHISPERS: The team again will target a limited number of positions at the top of the draft and take a wide-open approach later. Some strong free-agent signings have left wide receiver as the team's biggest need; someone must replace WR Randy Moss as a downfield threat. The running game will receive more attention, but the team will continue to take advantage of QB Daunte Culpepper's arm. With two of the top 18 picks, the team has a terrific chance to move up or down in the draft, and receiver availability will drive such decisions.


TARGETING: The team would love to add a strong receiver, and Michigan's Braylon Edwards or Southern California's Mike Williams could be available when the team picks at No. 7 overall. Edwards fits the team's need for a big downfield threat and impressed coaches at the Combine. Williams is bigger but slower than Edwards, and his 4.6 speed has made some wonder whether he should be considered a vertical threat. South Carolina's Troy Williamson is an intriguing possibility. He's big enough to fight defensive backs for the ball, and his 4.32 speed can get him past defenders. Wisconsin DE Erasmus James and Notre Dame DE Justin Tuck have made predraft visits and figure to be available at No. 18. James would fill a need for a quick, hybrid pass rusher to use on third downs. After a three-season run of inconsistency in the kicking game, the Vikings hope to select the top kicker in the draft, Mike Nugent of Ohio State. His accuracy is important, but so is his ability to kick off. The team no longer wants to spend a roster spot on a kickoff specialist. In the middle rounds, the Vikings will search for guards. Another priority is finding a player, regardless of position, who can be a big-time kickoff and punt returner.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 08:04 am:   

I would have put a Giants summary up, but they have no first rounder and only 4 picks overall....

Big players are going to be the Bucs and Eagles who have 12 and 13 picks respectively...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 09:05 am:   

Espn is doing a new draft and it's totally different. The niners take Alex Smith, the Boys take Demarcus Ware....this draft is gonna be so cool!
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 06:50 am:   

Yep, this draft is so up in the air it's impossible to predict. Saturday can't come soon enough.

After listening to Jerry Jones address the media, I have a strong vibe that the Boys really want to trade that first pick. They figure to drop a few slots and replace that third pick they gave up for Henson, or maybe even get a second round pick. With so many needs to fill it makes a lot of sense. They guy you'll get at 15 is probably just as good as they guy you'll get at 10.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 06:56 am:   

I don't know. If they have a shot at DeMarcus Ware, and I think they will, I'd take him.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 04:57 pm:   

   By Minz on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:57 am:

And speaking of the draft, any chance some of the prognosticators will fess up on Saturday and admit to having been COMPLETE MORONS last year for ripping on San Diego trading Eli to the Gints. I thought it was patently obvious SD was fleecing NY, and couldn't understand why everyone was busy saying it doesn't help them "this year". Apparently, at 12-4, they didn't need Eli's help last year, and now they are sitting awfully pretty for this year's draft. So when the 12th pick rolls around, any chance at all someone will have the guts to admit their stupidity? It could happen. And Madden could join some Tibetan Monastery and take a vow of silence...
   By Lucius on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 11:13 am:

Nope. No hope. Cause the Giant's still think they got their guy, and with Plexiglass to throw to, he'll be Manning of the Year. Me, I think--I hope and pray--the jury's still out.
   By Lucius on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 04:03 pm:

The redskin have traded a first and third pick in 2006, thereby giving them the 25th pick in this year's draft.. Two picks in all.
   By Lucius on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 04:46 pm:

Actually it's a first and a fourth round pick in 2006 and a third this year for Denver's 2005 pick overall. This, if you ask me, is desperation on Gibb's part. If he thinks a rookie corner and lineman are gonna get him a winning season....I don't know. And they're bankrupt next year.
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barth
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 06:41 pm:   

even if it was gibbs' call, it's such a snyder maneuver, isn't it? everything the redskins do is just so boisterously stupid. snyder thought he could fantasy-league his way to a trophy. now he thinks he's a draft magician.

what a colossal schlemiel.

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 06:45 pm:   

It's a gibb's call according to NFL Acress. But yeah...like you said.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 07:41 pm:   

The more I think about it, the more I believe this is the end of the Skins for a while. Stripped of picks, with no QB to count on....shit. They're fucked. And they likely just handed Denver a high first rounder in a deeper draft than this year's...
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 08:11 pm:   

Schlemiel. That sounds very Yiddish. What does it mean? And does it only apply to the Redskins (one hopes)? :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 08:16 pm:   

Whoa - can't imagine the damage the Vikes would do with Braylon. Who needs Moss? If they can pick up Edwards, this is going to be a great team next season.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 08:25 pm:   

I think it'll be a great team with or without him. Like I said, they averaged 30 pts a game without Moss, now they have a defense and they're gonna add a top defensive player and a receiver -- no way they're not gonna be great.

Shclmeil means a jerk -- probably not a literal translation.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 06:57 am:   

According to the Post, the Skins are looking to finagle a corner and an impact receiver from this year's draft. Unfortunately, the article shows all the moves the Skins can make and implies that they are pretty much screwed, looking for difference-makers in a thin draft. Trading up to get Edwards is an option, but might leave them even more bereft than they are currently. And the Skins have such luck with highly-touted rookie wideouts (Michael Westbrook II, anyone?)!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 07:40 am:   

Y eah, I meant receiver and a corner. You can't hope to plug two holes with rookies and only two rookie receivers in the history of the NFL have caught passes fror a thousand yards.. Sorry, Joe. You're pathetic.

This just in-- Ruben Droughins, whose agent is Drew Rosenhaus, wants a new contract from Cleveland and has threatened a hold-out. Welcome to Next Year.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 08:42 am:   

LMFAO about the 'skins. It's a shame that brain trust ain't in the NFC North.

Re the Vikes, now that DetriMENTAL Distraction has left town, they really have addition via subtraction. They have improved their club a lot. And I think Sharper is going to be a Packer killer--I'm not certain he'll have a great season overall, but he's gonna eat Brett for lunch.

I'm not all that sold on Edwards. He is a gamer, and he is talented, but I think it'll be a few years before he makes his mark. Don't get me wrong, could easily become a pro bowler, but I think he's going to have to adjust to the more physical NFL.
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barth
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 08:42 am:   

In Yiddish, schlemiel is more than a mere jerk, if I may. Schlemiel is the loser who can do no right, despite epic effort. The uber-dupe. Think Gilligan.

As opposed to a schlemazel - sp? - who is just astoundingly unlucky. Snyder's the schlemiel and the Redskin players are the poor schlemazels...
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 08:46 am:   

Hey ALL YOU BROWNS FANS (okay, hey Deb & Lucius), what can you tell me about Earl Little (recent cheap vet signee of the Pack)? He's what, 32, had injury issues. Is he past his prime, or can he give us a year or two while our draftees learn the game from him?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 09:02 am:   

I'll let the Brown-a-tar answer, Minz. She's better at those roster spots than I.

I think it'll take Edwards a year. Pro Bowl at WR is tough to make because there are so few slots and so many talented receivers, but he'll help whoever picks him
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The Brown-a-tar
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:12 am:   

Sorry, Minz, I don't have much to say about Little. No members of the Browns secondary have really distinguished themselves in recent years. On the other hand, he never did anyting like, oh, say throwing his helmet on the ground in frustration and losing a game on an unsportsmanlike call.

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:28 am:   

But he might.... :-)

Actually, Minz, what the Brownatar says is, natch, true--the Brownie's secondary was the worst part of their D
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 04:09 pm:   

What Oakland's doing makes no sense. Trading CB Phillip Buchanan for a second and third rounder. They're in effect becoming the old Vikings, a team with a dynamic offense and no defense.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 06:17 pm:   

NFL Access has Aaron Rogers slipping all the way to 24, and the GB Packers...!

I remember the day, long since gone, when I had to wait hours before my team picked. I guess the upside now is that I'll only have to wait 15 minutes max.
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Forrest
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 07:14 pm:   

Good grief, those guys are totally baked. No way Rogers lasts that long.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 07:24 pm:   

Acrually, he made a pretty good case for Rogers slipping that far. I don't think it'll happen either, but it is conceivable....Campbell is shooting up draft boards and many have Rogers slipping.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 05:51 am:   

Oakland trades Doug Jolley, its second and third round picks, for the Jets no. 1, no.26. Insane.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 06:51 am:   

Man, is it Saturday yet??
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 07:01 am:   

Derrick Johnson was on a local news channel last night, discussing where he may fall in the draft. He said all the right things - I'll be happy anywhere, I'm confident I'll go in the top ten, etc.

As much as I want Dallas to take him, it's not going to happen. I think Detroit snags him at 10. They're pretty much Austin North up there so he'll fit right in. And if he does fall to 11, I still think the Boys are more interested in other defensive players. I think they have a better feel for Merriman.

Of course, they could suprise everyone and take a big receiver - Williams or Williamson could still be there - then wait for the later pick to snag the DE/OLB type player they need.

But I still think they're going to trade the pick.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 07:40 am:   

And now the skins are scouting Jason Campbell? So they'll be three-"deep" at QB?

Ha ha. At least I'll have my comic relief when the Giants suck!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 09:08 am:   

The latest rumor is they're gonna use the two picks to move up and get Braylon Edwards....Gibbs and AL Davis should hook up and start the OFL (Old Farts League)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:43 am:   

Here are several updated mock drafts. I pulled these off of DallasCowboys.com so they all stop with the 20th pick, but it's interesting to note two of them list Derrick Johnson as the Boy's #11 pick.



Scouts Inc.

1. San Francisco - Aaron Rogers, QB, California
2. Miami - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
3. Cleveland - Alex Smith, QB, Utah
4. Chicago - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
5. Tampa Bay - Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
6. Tennessee - Mike Williams, WR, Southern Cal
7. Minnesota - Shawne Merriman, LB/DE, Maryland
8. Arizona - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami, Fla.
9. Washington - Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
10. Detroit - Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
11. Dallas - Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas
12. San Diego - Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
13. Houston - David Pollack, DE, Georgia
14. Carolina - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
15. Kansas City - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
16. New Orleans - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
17. Cincinnati - Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
18. Minnesota - Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
19. St. Louis - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
20. Dallas - Thomas Davis, S, Georgia



Mel Kiper Jr.

1. San Francisco - Aaron Rogers, QB, California
2. Miami - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
3. Cleveland - Alex Smith, QB, Utah
4. Chicago - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
5. Tampa Bay - Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
6. Tennessee - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami, Fla.
7. Minnesota -- Mike Williams, WR, Southern Cal
8. Arizona - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
9. Washington - Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
10. Detroit - Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas
11. Dallas - Shawne Merriman, LB/DE, Maryland
12. San Diego - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
13. Houston - Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
14. Carolina - Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
15. Kansas City - DeMarcus Ware, DE, Troy
16. New Orleans - Thomas Davis, S, Georgia
17. Cincinnati - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
18. Minnesota - Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
19. St. Louis - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
20. Dallas - Roddy White, WR, Ala.-Birmingham



DRAFTKING.com

1. San Francisco 49ers - Aaron Rodgers, QB, Cal
2. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
3. Cleveland Browns - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
4. Chicago Bears - Mike Williams, WR, USC
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cadillac Williams, RB, Auburn
6. Tennessee Titans - Adam "Pac Man" Jones, CB, West Virginia
7. Minnesota Vikings - Shawne Merriman, DE/OLB, Maryland
8. Arizona Cardinals - Alex Smith, QB, Utah
9. Washington Redskins - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
10. Detroit Lions - Alex Barron, OT, Florida St.
11. Dallas Cowboys - Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
12. San Diego (from NYG) - Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
13. Houston Texans - DeMarcus Ware, DE/OLB, Troy
14. Carolina Panthers - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
15. Kansas City Chiefs - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
16. New Orleans Saints - Travis Johnson, DT, Florida St.
17. Cincinnati Bengals - Shaun Cody, DT/DE, USC
18. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas
19. St. Louis Rams - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
20. Dallas Cowboys (from Buffalo) - Roddy White, WR, UAB



The Dallas Morning News
(NFL writer Rick Gosselin)

1. San Francisco 49ers - Aaron Rodgers, QB, Cal
2. Miami Dolphins - Alex Smith, QB, Utah
3. Cleveland Browns - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
4. Chicago Bears - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
6. Tennessee Titans - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
7. Minnesota Vikings - Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
8. Arizona Cardinals - Cadillac Williams, RB, Auburn
9. Washington Redskins - Adam "Pac Man" Jones, CB, West Virginia
10. Detroit Lions - Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
11. Dallas Cowboys - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
12. San Diego (from NYG) - Shawne Merriman, DE/OLB, Maryland
13. Houston Texans - DeMarcus Ware, DE/OLB, Troy
14. Carolina Panthers - Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
15. Kansas City Chiefs - Thomas Davis, S, Georgia
16. New Orleans Saints - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
17. Cincinnati Bengals - Mike Williams, WR, USC
18. Minnesota Vikings - David Pollack, DE, Georgia
19. St. Louis Rams - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
20. Dallas Cowboys (from Buffalo) - Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma


The Sporting News

1. San Francisco 49ers - Alex Smith, QB, Utah
2. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
3. Cleveland Browns - Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
4. Chicago Bears - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cadillac Williams, RB, Auburn
6. Tennessee Titans - Aaron Rodgers, QB, Cal
7. Minnesota Vikings - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
8. Arizona Cardinals - Adam "Pac Man" Jones, CB, West Virginia
9. Washington Redskins - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
10. Detroit Lions - Alex Barron, OT, Florida St.
11. Dallas Cowboys - Shawne Merriman, DE/OLB, Maryland
12. San Diego (from NYG) - Mike Williams, WR, USC
13. Houston Texans - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
14. Carolina Panthers - Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
15. Kansas City Chiefs - Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
16. New Orleans Saints - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
17. Cincinnati Bengals - Travis Johnson, DT, Florida St.
18. Minnesota Vikings - David Pollack, DE, Georgia
19. St. Louis Rams - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
20. Dallas Cowboys (from Buffalo) - Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia

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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:52 pm:   

Boy I like TSN's Dallas draft. Blackstock and Merriman would be awesome.

Ive heard that Bears-Benson rumor a lot lately.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 05:57 am:   

Forest, you asked about Kyle Orton -- he's probably gonna be the fifth QB taken, according to St. Mel.

Orlovosky's of UCONN's fallen way down the board--accuracy issues
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

College Football News' final mock draft:

1. San Francisco - QB Alex Smith, Utah
Aaron Rodgers will be considered, but all indications are the Niners like the upside of Smith more. He fits the classic mold of the heady, accurate San Francisco quarterback. All that's missing is getting the deal done.

2. Miami Dolphins - RB Ronnie Brown, Auburn
Openly looking to trade down, Miami might get a taker in Tampa Bay who might want its pick of top running backs. Committed to A.J. Feeley at quarterback, Nick Saban will grab the back he wants to build the franchise around.

3. Cleveland Browns - WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan
The Browns want Alex Smith. Don't be stunned if they find a way to move up to the one if the Niners can't work out a pre-draft deal with Smith. All indications are that Cleveland will go with a game breaking receiver and pass up Aaron Rodgers.

4. Chicago Bears - RB Cedric Benson, Texas
Ecstatic that they don't have to make a call on Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams, the Bears will go with the back they've been coveting from day one.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - RB Carnell Williams, Auburn
Jon Gruden likes Aaron Rodgers and love Williams. The franchise can rebound quicker with a back like the Cadillac.

6. Tennessee Titans - WR Mike Williams, USC
The cries from Titan fans that the team is rebuilding would be answered by taking Williams to help Steve McNair try to win now. Aaron Rodgers might be too good to pass up and might mean the Titans will receive several desperate calls to move up to the six.

7. Minnesota Vikings (from Oakland) - WR Troy Williamson, South Carolina
If Rodgers is is still on the board, someone will likely trade up to this slot. If not, the Vikings will be ticked if Mike Williams still isn't available but will be happy with Williamson's speed and upside. Don't be surprised if Minnesota packages its two first round picks to move up to get Ronnie Brown or Braylon Edwards.

8. Arizona Cardinals - QB Aaron Rodgers, California
If no one moves up to get the Cal star in the top seven, it'll be Christmas time in Phoenix.

9. Washington Redskins - CB Antrel Rolle, Miami
There are worse plans than to reassemble the Miami Hurricane defensive backfield.

10. Detroit Lions - LB Derrick Johnson, Texas
You know Matt Millen would be ecstatic if the Texas star fell to ten.

11. Dallas Cowboys - DE Demarcus Ware, Troy
Maryland's Shawne Merriman could also be the pick. Williamson would be an option if he falls this far.

12. San Diego Chargers - DE Shawne Merriman, Maryland
It'll either be Merriman, Marcus Spears or Ware. Merriman is more of a pure pass rusher than Spears.

13. Houston Texans - OT Alex Barron, Florida State
Word is that Barron might be one of the falling picks in the first round, but the Texans, if they don't go defense, will likely take him to beef up an offensive line that could use an upgrade.

14. Carolina Panthers - OT Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
Offensive tackle is a need and will take either Barron or Brown here.

15. Kansas City Chiefs - DE Marcus Spears, LSU
Either Spears, Ware or Merriman will fall to the Chiefs at the 15. They need a corner, but one of those three ends would be too good to pass up.

16. New Orleans Saints - CB Carlos Rogers, Auburn
"Pac Man" Jones would be another option.

17. Cincinnati Bengals - DE David Pollack, Georgia
The Bengals will think hard about taking Jones, but opt for the end to take pressure off Justin Smith.

18. Minnesota Vikings - CB Adam Jones, West Virginia
Planning for a defensive lineman (and could end up with either Pollack or Erasmus James), the Vikings won't be able to pass up Jones if he slides this far. They'll find a place for him.

19. St. Louis Rams - DE Erasmus James, Wisconsin
They need Alex Barron or Jammal Brown to fall here. If they're gone, they'll take the best end available.

20. Dallas Cowboys - WR Roddy White, UAB
Oklahoma S Brodney Pool, Georgia S Thomas Davis and OU WR Mark Clayton are also possibilities, but the offense needs a speedy deep threat.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars - CB Justin Miller, Clemson
Miller's value as a returner will edge him past Michigan's Marlin Jackson and Nebraska's Fabian Walker.

22. Baltimore Ravens - WR Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
And there will be much rejoicing. Some have Clayton ranked the number one receiver in the draft.

23. Seattle Seahawks - CB Marlin Jackson, Michigan
Defensive end is also a possibility with Iowa's Matt Roth and USC's Shaun Cody still on the board.

24. Green Bay Packers - S Thomas Davis, Georgia
Davis is too good to slide any further. The Packers will be targeting Roth, Cody, or Florida State DT Travis Johnson unless Davis falls.

25. Washington Redskins (from Denver) - DE Shaun Cody, USC
Assuming the Redskins take a corner at nine, they'll go with the best defensive lineman left on the board.

26. Oakland Raiders (from NY Jets) - CB Fabian Washington, Nebraska
Al David loves speed, and Washington has it. A CB is needed after trading away Phillip Buchanon.

27. Atlanta Falcons - DT Travis Johnson, Florida State
The Falcons would like Shaun Cody to drop, but could go corner or with the best available tackle.

28. San Diego Chargers - FS Brodney Pool, Oklahoma
Assuming the Chargers take a defensive end with the 12, they'll be a little grouchy there won't be any receivers worth taking at the 28. Pool would still fill a need.

29. Indianapolis Colts - DE Matt Roth, Iowa
Roth would be a tremendous help on the line to take away heat from Dwight Freeney.

30. Pittsburgh Steelers - TE Heath Miller, Virginia
Washington OT Khalif Barnes is a possibility, but Miller would be a great weapon for Ben Roethlisberger and too good to pass up.

31. Philadelphia Eagles - TE Matt Jones, Arkansas
With his size, speed and upside, he'd be a fun weapon for the attack. Barnes would be considered as well.

32. New England Patriots - LB Barrett Ruud, Nebraska
Barnes might be too good to pass up, but Ruud is a perfect fit and fills a sudden need.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:45 am:   

I gave up reading mock drafts when Steve Serby's NY Post mock draft had the Niners taking Alex Smith because he's "no Tom Rattay."

The level of expertise being brought to bear is not impressive.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:49 am:   

It makes sense, but I'm betting something happens early to derail the whole mess...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:04 am:   

Some mock drafts are interesting and this one is quite logical....But there's always some impediment to logic in action. Joe Gibbs, for instance.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:10 am:   

Serby has the Skins taking Mike Williams, FWIW.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:13 am:   

Anything's possible, but if he goes in the top ten, I think he may go earlier.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 04:52 pm:   

god, the browns are trying to get Braylon Edwards. From what I can tell, the guy's TO junior.

Dee-fense, dee-fense, dee-fense....
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 05:28 pm:   

Oh lord! Braylon spent time getting a portfolio shot in LA for a modeling career.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 06:11 pm:   

You have *got* to be kidding. Last I heard the skins were gunning for Edwards.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 06:26 pm:   

The wait is almost over.

We'll see how the Skins screw this up soon enough.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 06:26 pm:   

Apparently the browns have their hearts set on Smith or Braylon. I hope the skins get his bling bling ass....
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 07:26 pm:   

Josh, yup... Anything they do is gonna be a screwup with that crew...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 06:17 am:   

Parcells and Jones reported to be targeting two of three linemen--Spears, Merriman, and Ware...

Hope Cleveland takes one of them.....
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barth
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 06:22 am:   

it's saturday! ohboyohboyohboyohboy...

draft day is right up there with passover and easter and wiscon on my high holidays.


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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 06:27 am:   

Me, too...Not wiscon, though.

You should be happy. I think Minne's gonna do good...
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barth
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 06:52 am:   

i really hope we take merriman or DJ if he's available. i wouldn't mind another WR for daunte. but with our vanilla OC (loney: former big 10 O-line coach), i fear we're going to go RB, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me since we had 4 rushers hit 100+ yards last year.

but really, the vikes can do no wrong on draft day. [cue laughtrack].

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 07:04 am:   

You can't have Merriman!!!! :-)
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 07:42 am:   

If Ted Cottrell goes for the 3-4, we can (and should)! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 07:58 am:   

Then by god I'll hate Minnesota, despite seeing them as the one hope against Eagle rule. I want the Browns to reach out to Merriman.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:21 am:   

Hey, my team wants Merriman! We may have to duke it out.

Here we go! Niners on the clock...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:36 am:   

No surprise in Smith. I think he'll be good. Sound pick.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:42 am:   

Miami snags Ronnie Brown. So far, no suprises.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:55 am:   

Here it comes....

Noooooooooooo...!
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:57 am:   

Think how pissed off Antonio Bryant is going to be.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:57 am:   

Well, hopefully Savage knows what they're doing...
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Brown-a-tar
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:57 am:   

Plus ca change, huh?

It must be the water.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:02 am:   

Yup. But we gotta have hope Brown-a-tar! It does give 'em a hell of a receiving core.

Oh, me!
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:14 am:   

Cedric seems pretty shocked to have been taken at #4. I'm suprised myself, but like I've said before, I think he'll prove his worth.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:17 am:   

I don't like what the Bears did. Nothing against Benson. Just they need help more at receiver.

Gruden goes rb or receiver...maybe///

Minz's theory about defensive players early goes by the board...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:23 am:   

Things are setting up nice for Dallas....
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:24 am:   

Yeah, Dallas will get a nice defensive pick.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:28 am:   

So how far does Rogers slide?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:28 am:   

Tenn will go defense....I think. But they could go for Aaron Rogers...or Williams
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:30 am:   

Rogers may go to AZ or Tenn. If he doesn't go there, he may slide into the bottom third...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:37 am:   

Whoa! Pacman...That's an upset. I don't like the pick. Rogers or Rolle.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:38 am:   

Okay, Barth...Vikes are on the clock.

Mike Williams, maybe?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:39 am:   

Minne goes Williams or Williamson?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

Indy will try and match Reggie Wayne against Pacman....mismatch.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:49 am:   

Here comes....

Troy Williamson...

Good, but I would have gone for Merriman
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:50 am:   

I know the Boys need D.

But if Williams slips to #11 they have to think about it. Of course, they could probably still get Mark Clayton at #20.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:51 am:   

Does AZ go for Rogers.....?

That Minz theory's is taking a beating. :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:51 am:   

Arizona is up.

They had to be planning to snag one of the top three running backs. Not a clue what they'll do now.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:53 am:   

They targeting two Dlinemen, and are takjing about moving up from 20.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:55 am:   

Cornerback...?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:56 am:   

I meant Dallas was targeting two D Linemen
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:00 am:   

Rolle. Now I'm sweating the Skins and the Lions. The Skins probably take a corner.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:02 am:   

Skins up!

Wonder if they'll take Rogers. They're not exactly lighting it up at QB.

TV says they'll look for a CB. Makes sense.
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:02 am:   

Well, I think the Cards made a good pick.

I don't know how long-suffering the Browns can reasonably expect their fans to be, but I'm not sure I can watch 16 weeks of Dilfer throwing to the CB covering the WR who probably hired a marketing consultant to help him think of something more colorful than the panto-moon.

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:04 am:   

Rogers is beginning to have that thousand yard stare.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:08 am:   

Yup, AZ did good.

As far as Edwards, yeah, boy I don't know. Maybe Crennel can neutralize his personality, but I'm with you, Deborah...which is why I wouldn't have minded if they had taken Smith.
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:09 am:   

A pretty vanilla draft so far. None of the hijinx that some predicted. I'm ok with Williamson for the Vikes. Wish it had been DJ, but then I wish we'd canned Tice and gotten Romeo.

Maybe Deborah should throw together an alternate universe NFL antho?


Nah. Forget it. Back to the draft...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:14 am:   

Skins....Rogers. Good pick. This draft is too predictable.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:15 am:   

Detroit may go for DJ!
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:17 am:   

Hey, I'm in on that antho ... :-)
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:18 am:   

I don't want DJ in the NFC North if he's not in MN, but Detroit is where everyone said he was going. Damn.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:19 am:   

Are the Lions on crack?
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:20 am:   

Hmm. Mariucci shows his offensive ways...

Clearing the way for the 'Boys to have their cake and eat it too.
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:20 am:   

Yeah, we could choose the authors by something like the draft...

"With the latest Hugo nod, Mr. Writer's stock has really gone up."

"Yeah, but he's still got off-paper issues that make editors leary, don't you think?"

:-)

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:20 am:   

Huh! Detroit.....CRogers must be injured bad,

Doesn't make sense....

Well, Dallas sets up nice.....
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:22 am:   

You guys don't think AZ should have taken QB Rogers??
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:24 am:   

great idea, deborah! a draft to get in the antho...

"anderson's numerous concussions kept him from a prime spot in the TOC..."
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:25 am:   

DJ, DJ, DJ!

Don't think it'll happen, but I can dream.

I agree, they must have decided Rogers is too injury prone.
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:26 am:   

Have we forgotten they have John Navarre?

:-)

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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:27 am:   

I think the Boys will be able to get on of their big D prospects at 20.
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:33 am:   

whoa. maybe the vikes get DJ at #18.... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:33 am:   

Navarre :-)

Demarcus Ware...good pick! Now we'll see if they move up.

Naw, I don't think they should have taken Rogers at QB. I think Rolle was a great pick and they're trying to give warner a shot. They may take a QB in the second round.

I don't really think as hightly of DJ as I do of Spears and Merriman et al.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:35 am:   

I think KC may take DJ.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:36 am:   

No suprise w/ the Boys picking Ware.

We'll see what's left at 20.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:39 am:   

I don't see a spot for Rogers before 24. Maybe NO, but they have other needs.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:41 am:   

That's what he gets for bad-mouthing Mack.

I mean, I do it, but it's my team. ;)
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barth
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:42 am:   

I could see Green Bay taking Rogers at #21.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:44 am:   

GB picks 24th,
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:54 am:   

Well, that's a good pick for NO, but so what?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:06 pm:   

Davis can bring it! Great pick for Carolina!
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   

like i said, GB at #24.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:22 pm:   

There goes DJ.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:22 pm:   

I don't even know if he'll go there. They may opt for Campbell.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:26 pm:   

Yup, Don't know what to say. I kinda loathe Vermeil.
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   

Hey, I was looking at the depth chart and I figured out the Browns' stragedy...

They're going to line up a TE and two WR on each side and then run it up the middle.

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:33 pm:   

Heh....

What depth chart, the draft or the browns?

Maybe Dilfer can do it. He really managed games for the ravens. Of course they had a d.
Did you read about Droughins holding out?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:36 pm:   

I think this a bad pick, Travis Johnson. He's one of those guys who had one good year in college and they rarely pan out.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:46 pm:   

Bad news for the Browns. Cinci takes Pollack.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:48 pm:   

James or Spears for Minne....?
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:51 pm:   

Tice does like the Big 10. James?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:57 pm:   

James it is. Good pick if he can stay healthy.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:01 pm:   

St louis picks an ol, which means Spears is available to Dallas. WHoooe!

They can get a receiver in the next round.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:09 pm:   

Well, good for Dallas. They're having the draft I wish Cleveland had.....
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:11 pm:   

Rachel got her booster shots today..it's been a little rough.

Now, in defense of my defensive theory, I thought the Vikings would be the ones who started the defensive swing of the draft, so you started ripping me about two picks too early. And I said no way there would only be five defensive players in the first fifteen (there were six). Okay, it didn't swing D quite as fast as I thought it would, but it's rolling now.

And hey, where's all that movement others were predictin? (Nobody was crazy enough to want to move up...other than the Raiders and Skins, who experienced some major brain cramps with their silly pre-draft trades. What were they smokin???)
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:13 pm:   

Man, Dallas has stacked their d. Very impressive players. How are they going to score points again?

Seriously, I only wish the Packers could've landed someone as good as Ware or Spears, but don't you guys need some serious offensive help, or am I missing something?
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:13 pm:   

The Browns Depth chart and I meant to say three WRs but the football part of my brain wouldn't let me do that even as a joke...they have six WR on the roster already...and ONE CB!!! WTF!

Pollack to cinci would be bad news if it weren't for the fact that having talent hasn't really been much of a factor for the Bengals.

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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:19 pm:   

Boys got exactly what they wanted.

Yep, we still need some WR help, a QB for the future (and the present), and a tackle. But we have a Pro Bowl TE and a pretty good running back.

It'll be interesting to see where we go next.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:25 pm:   

Yeah, I guess you're right about the bengals, but they're getting better.

Well, Bryant and Northcutt only have a year left on their contract....

Dallas needs some offensive help on the line and at wr, but they can address those needs in the second round.

I can rip you if I want Minz.... :-) And you said something about all those offensive players not going early.....

I love Philly Didn't get Matt Jones....

If GB doesn't take Rogers, I think he kills himself on camera
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:32 pm:   

Maybe Rogers should have lobbied for his case.

;)
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:44 pm:   

I still can't get over Denny Green taking a CB after years of me begging him to do just that when he coached the Vikes.
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:47 pm:   

how could GB *not* take rogers??
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:48 pm:   

And Fitzgerald has got to be happy about that pick having made Mr. Rolle's acquaintance some time back.

:-)

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:32 pm:   

Yup.

I got to say that Seattle pick made no sense. OL is the strongest part of their team.

I don't think Sherman wanted to take Rogers, because he's got 1 year left on his contract.

I love Joe Gibbs -- what a move at 25. Say Hi to the pine, Jason.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:37 pm:   

Yeah, when they said Rolle couldn't run, he said, Hey, I shut down Larry Fitzgerald.

So far, I'd say that San Diego and Dallas are the champs of the first round.
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:43 pm:   

Jackson to Indianapolis - can't wait to see what he does at the pro level. Think he'll contribute early?
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:44 pm:   

Between the draft and free agency, I'm feeling pretty good about our defense. Now if we find a decent safety in the second round, we can move on to offense.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:53 pm:   

Forrest, will he contribute? Do they have anyone else back there?

I think they have to take a wide receiver in the second round.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:58 pm:   

Oops, seven defensive players in the first fifteen. :-)

I had to admit, I was mixed about Rodgers, only because our defense desperately needs help this year. But after having taken a pill and calmed a bit, it really was the smart choice. It would've been much worse to reach for a defender at a position of need. Nobody around worth it (unless you're sold on the idea that Marlin Jackson can be a good safety--I'm not).

With their 2 Seconds and 1 Third, I'm hoping the Pack might land some of the following (thereby dooming them from landing any of these guys):
Roth or Tuck, DE
Sensabaugh, S
Anttaj Hawthorne DT

I'd settle for Canty at DE, Brodney Pool or Bullocks for S.

I wouldn't mind Crowder at LB, but those knees of his. And for Thurman at LB, but that empty head of his. You don't need a rocket scientist at LB, but they need to have at least a few synapses firing...
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:00 pm:   

I think Jackson could be solid, but I think he may be a little limited--not physical enough for S, not fast enough for corner. He could be good, but I think he's a bit of a stretch for first round.

But he could be out there in the mix this year. Very smart player, and experienced.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:12 pm:   

Jackson will play for sure in that secondary.

I think one of those guys might be there.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:15 pm:   

I suppose I should've prefaced my comments about Rodgers, for those of you who aren't aware of the Packers' history with drafting Cal QBs in the first round. Two words: Rich Campbell. UGH!!!
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:20 pm:   

Let's hope Rogers is every bit as good! :-)\

They should have picked Cambell; he's better, but he's just not in the tradition of caucasian QBS...
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:20 pm:   

Not to mention those other wonderful Tedford QB protoges: Akili Smith, David Carr, Kyle Boller, and the cream of the crop: Trent Dilfer
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:20 pm:   

Well, the safety and wide receiver I thought the Cowboys might pick just left the board.

Hmmm....
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:21 pm:   

Actually, with a couple of years to learn in a no pressure situation, I think Rodgers could thrive. Kid did pretty well, and he's barely 21.
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b
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:29 pm:   

Rich Campbell. Had to google him, but I remember that dude.

Or do I...?

"Rich Campbell has toured with Natalie Cole, Three Dog Night, Ringo Starr and his All Starr Band and Edgar Winter. And he's currently on tour with classic rock band America, of "Sister Golden Hair," "Ventura Highway" and "Horse With No Name" fame..."
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:58 pm:   

Yeah, Minz, but Campbell was better...

Dilfer, Dilfer...name rings a bell. Didn't a qb named Dilfer win a Super Bowl recently.....when you surround him with players, he gets the job done. Trouble is, vis a vis Rogers, Green Bay's player are aging or irrelevant....When Farve goes, hope goes. In truth, hope is gone already, but Farve is the repository of GB hope and people haven't realized it's over. Is this the year Chicago finishes ahead of GB?
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 04:08 pm:   

Ugh, that's right - Rodgers is a Tedfordite. How quick can we trade him?

Someone want to tell me something about Michael Roos? Anything?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 04:12 pm:   

Biiiiiig! 6'7' 320 Raw. I year of high school ball. Comes from Estonia. Considered a developmental pick with vast upside.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 04:30 pm:   

I must say I'm extremely disappointed in the Browns draft. Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but their second rounder doesn't thrill me, either.

AZ has done pretty well, though, among others.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 05:15 pm:   

Baltimore with Mark Clayton and Dan Cody...Sheesh. The rich get richer.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 06:08 pm:   

San Diego gets Vincent Jackson...the huge, quick wideout from Norther Colorado.....

They;re my first day champ.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 06:20 pm:   

Finally a brown's pick I like -- Charlie Frye. Bit still no CBs :-(
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 06:30 pm:   

Cleveland's draft was like watching the Cavs playing in the horrid 70s throw-back jerseys. Once again, fans across Cleveland get to scratch their heads and say "huh?"

Buffalo is turning into UMiami North.

Arizona did great. Rolle and Arrington -- excellent players in positions of great need. TotF!

Baltimore? does Baltimore have a team now? Huh. I hadn't realized that.

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 07:59 pm:   

Huh? :-)

Buffalo and AZ and Minnnesota and San Diego and Chicago and Dallas all did good.

Baltimore, unfortunately, does have a team.

Re Cleveland -- What the fuck? I keep telling myself they must have a plan, but what?
I'm at a loss. Get in your Brown-a-tar mode and figure it out for us all, will ya?
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 08:58 pm:   

I'm a little surprised Anttaj hasn't been drafted, despite the pos mj test. Legit size and speed are not easy to find. (Yes, I know he has a rep for taking downs off as well...still, three of the DTs drafted weigh 290 or less.)

As for the Pack, having Rodgers land in our lap would seem to have been a stroke of luck, if scouts, etc, are right and he's right there with Alex Smith. We'll See.

I don't know squat about Nick Collins, but Bassoon Univ?. He may have the measurables, but this is the big leagues. Hope that works out. He could've been had in the fourth round, easy. Ugh. I'd have rather had them go for Sensabaugh, if you're gonna stretch. At least he played on year with a real school (UNC) and was even named a captain by his teammates, so he has to have some intangibles. Sigh.

Terrence Murphy, as a "draft best guy on board" is a decent pick. While we could've used defense, this guy is a returner as well, and we definitely need to shore that up. Okay pick, though woulda preferred defense.

I really like that we got a couple of early fourth rounders for our third round pick. Gives us 3 fourth rounders, and Oakland's 5th & 6th. We're sitting good for tomorrow.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:13 pm:   

Yeah, Collins was a serious reach...

You don't know why some guys drop. Antaj was considered a solid second rounder, despite his taking downs off.

I don't know, I'm starting to think that the Mist of Incompetence off Lake Eerie is for real. Or that the Browns are cursed (i mean, that should have been apparent before now given the Drive, The Fumble, the Interception, et al.)
That was a really stupid fucking draft. Really stupid. What are they gonna do for corners? You can't compete with rookie fourth and fifth rounders. What are the gonna do for D linemen? And you just know Braylon's gonna be a nightmare....

Ecch!
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:30 pm:   

Ariz had a marvelous draft -- They added CB Eric Green and LB Darryl Blackstock in the third. Fantastic draft.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:33 pm:   

New thread below
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Deborah
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 09:34 pm:   

Yeah. It's always like that. If Bernie Kosar hadn't figured out how to engineer his own selection...well, I shudder to even think about it. They would've taken a MAC-level back-up long snapper or some damned thing.

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