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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 04:45 pm:   

it's called 'blueberry boat'. i was reading an interview on your website and you really seem to be into music. based on the albums you cited, i really think you'd like the fiery furnaces.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:fjfwxqtaldde

also, if you're interested in british folk music. check out bruton town.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bruton_town/

i just picked up 'mortal love'. i look forward to reading it.

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bill reynolds
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 07:31 pm:   

Excellent suggestion, Bryon. I listened to some samples and promptly ordered both their CDs.
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 07:54 pm:   

you shouldn't be disappointed. they're both great albums. i love the lyrics, the mood of the songs, and the space that they create. when something new comes out that i like, i feel it's my duty to turn into the town cryer. what are some of your favorite albums?
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liz
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 04:47 am:   

Byron, thanks a million. I'll definitely check them out. I don't download music (too lazy) but I'll order 'em through Amazon today.

We've got a fantastic volunteer radio station near here which plays tons of alternative & new music, so I actually get to hear decent stuff. My friend Paul burns me CDs, and my ex, Richard, does the same thing -- he's been giving me a lot of German & Eastern European music at the moment. Interesting. Left to my own devices, I'm a sucker for twelve-string guitars, also anything even vaguely influenced by Nick Drake. I discovered Drake 20+ years ago and find the present Drake vogue (on our radio station here, you probably hear him at least once a day: heavy rotation!) amusing and rather melancholy.

My favorite albums? There's an Arte Six interview on my website, www.elizabethhand.com, that deals with some of the this in greater detail, but the short version:

The Replacements, PLEASED TO MEET ME (just about everything by the Mats)
Paul Westerberg, 14 SONGS
Nick Drake's entire oeuvre
Richard Thompson, MOCK TUDOR
Rufus Wainwright, first album & WANT 1
Patti Smith, HORSES, RADIO ETHIOPIA, EASTER ("We Three" is one of my favorite songs, an underrated classic)
The Shins, SHUTES TOO NARROW
Jayhawks, SMILE
Beach Boys, the once & future PET SOUNDS
Wilco, SUMMERTEETH
Kinks, KINK KRONICLES & COME DANCING compilations, MUSWELL HILBILLIES
Dylan, HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED
Ramones, everything
Beth Orten, DAYBREAKER, CENTRAL RESERVATION
Roky Erickson, various
Pretty much any classic surf music, also the Aqua Velvets
Lou Reed, BERLIN, MAGIC & LOSS
The NUGGETS compilations

As can be seen, a lot of old stuff. I'm always open to suggestions!

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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 06:39 am:   

I have a considerable head start on both of you and have been much stupider. Many years of high 5 and 6 figure salaries and after getting laid off all the money I have is what my mother left me.

On the other hand, I have what I modestly consider to be one of the great personally held libraries on the planet. I have always considered trying to get a university library to take it en masse so my work doesn't go to waste. (So long as I don't have to start selling things off to make the mortgage!!!)

6000 LPs
10000 CDs
2000 DVDs
8000 books
Complete Rolling Stone from issue 1 to the last issue that folded over. (I didn't stop buying it because of the shape change but because coincidentally the NFL was on that cover and this was supposed to be a music magazine.)
Complete Crawdaddy Magazine
Complete Eye Magazine
On and On and ON.
And I don't think the quantity is what makes it great. I am proud of the quality of the material.

I'm gonna do a very short list in Word and paste it in shortly. This small box is giving me a headache.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:12 am:   

OK. This isn't working. I refuse to take over the board by virtue of massive posts.
Whenever you have time, go to Amazon and look at Socrates17's reviews. That's my primary web presence, except for one site where I am Le Compte de Lautremont. (Liz - you must have read Les Chants de Maldoror.)
On Amazon start by selecting VHS and type in Cipollina.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:46 am:   

Isn't there anyone out there who loves the Dog-Faced Hermans? :-)

Favorite Albums -- Rock -- off the top of my head.

Mental Blocks for All Ages, Hum of Life --Dog Faced Hermans
Savage Republic--Ceremony, Jamilyria
Spacemen Three --Making Music To Take Drugs To Make Music By
(all the Spaceman Spinoffs -- Sonic Boom, Spectrum, etc)
Daydream Nation and Sister--Sonic Youth
Love--Forever Changes
Roxy Music -- Stranded
Laibach--ouevre but especially the EP in which they did five versions of Sympathy for the Devil...
Olivia Tremor Control -- Cubist Castle
Fields of the Nephilim
Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel--James Foetus
Patti Smith -- Horses
Velvet Underground
Tall Dwafs (pretty much everthing, plus solo stuff by Chris Knox, and a whole bunch of the Flying Nun catalogue...especially the Renderers (Hows that for an envelope?))
Straight Outa Compton
Mekons Rock and Roll (actually I like Jon Langford's solo stuff like Bone Orchard about as much)
Peter Murphy (early solo stuff)
early Magnetic Fields

(I could go on) :-)
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:55 am:   

you might also really like vashti bunyan

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:7tzsa9ugl23f

of course if your taste leans toward the foreign and psychedelic, the incredible string band are always charming. i recommend '5000 spirits' and 'the hangman's beautiful daughter'.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:7le67uu0h0j3

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:k063tr79kl3x

my personal favorite singer songwriter of this generation is probably the little known damien youth. he has a robin hitchcock quality, with a hint of donovan, and some neil diamond in his voice (he deny's this). he sells cdr copies of his music on his web site. i'd start with 'strangers', 'bride of the asylum', 'songs from black tower', 'live at the circle bar', or 'sunfield'. the allmusic guide writes he's "making a bid to become one of the first belatedly discovered cult artists of the 21st century."

www.damienyouth.com
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=DAMIEN|YOUTH&uid=MIDMR0407161045&sql=11:cqom967ofep8~T2

some of the other really great records that have come out this year are:

animal collective 'sung tongs'
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:sgd1vwxqa9uk

devendra banhart 'rejoicing in the hands'
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:bgqvadokq8w3

the double 'palm fronds'
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:7yd6vwnqa9rk

joanna newsom 'milk-eyed mender'
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:ivj9keftdq7q
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 08:04 am:   

"olivia tremor Control -- Cubist Castle"

a great record. in that poppy pychedelic elephant six vein i'd also recommend:

neutral milk hotel
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:4fjv7i51g7dr

lilys
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:36220rnat48n
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:2ueyxd0b2ol7

of montreal
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MIDMR0407161100&sql=11:13620rjat48j ~T0

the essex green
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:kxfoxqekldhe
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 08:46 am:   

Hey Lucius, I LOVE The Dog Faced Hermans!!!! Your list blew me away it was so perfect. Love, Roxy, Laibach, Mekons and don't forget Jon's Waco Brothers and Sally Timms' solo stuff.

My suggestion: Peter Blegvad most available only at Wayside Music.
http://www.waysidemusic.com/default.asp
Peter is a brilliant songwriter. Intensely literate lyrics and beautiful melodies.
"The ghost train pulls into the hauptbanhoff
No one gets on no one gets off
But you can hear the ghost conductor cough
In the meantime."
Sounds a bit pretentious, I suppose, absent its achingly beautiful melody.
His Downtime and Just Woke Up only $3.00 a piece.
King Strut $15.00
Hangman's Hill $13.00 and only 3 copies left, scarf 'em up.
His original band (not counting his time with Faust since none of that was recorded) Slapp Happy's Sort Of (backed by Faust) and Ca Va'.
Wayside is a prime music site due to the incredibly useful descriptions. I'm sure Lucius knows Steve if he knows The Hermans.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 08:56 am:   

How about The Bevis Frond? Or, if you like Roxy, 801? Manzanera was releasing archival 801 concerts for a while.
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 09:00 am:   

have you heard 'the unicorn' by peter grudzien?

"USING THE MYTHOLOGICAL CREATURE OF THE UNIVCORN AS HIS THEME, PETER TAKES US ON A PENTECOSTAL VOYAGE, RESTATING THE PURITY AND SOUL SAVING VIRTUES OF THIS FRAIL CRWEATURE THAT WILL REDEEM MANKIND."

a very strange album.

also from the liner notes: "Johnny Cash was not only a great talent, he was extremely handsome, and I became a fan of his and would buy everything he recorded." - peter grudzien
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 09:03 am:   

elizabeth,

you would probably really like iron and wine.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:56vsa9rgw230

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:l30e4j376waw
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liz
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 11:58 am:   

how embarrassing -- (in haste as I'm almost out the door to san francisco for most of the week) but of course when i got in the car I rememebered all the albums I FORGOT to mention:


Johnny Thunders, SO ALONE (one of my all-time top 10)
Flamin' Groovies, SUPERSNAZZ
XTC, SKYLARKING
Velvet Underground -- what not?
Love, FOREVER CHANGES
Television, MARQUEE MOON
NY DOLLS, TOO MUCH TOO SOON &tc. (Arthur Kane, RIP)
Prince, PURPLE RAIN
Strokes, IS THIS IT?
all the Brian Jones-era Stones
T Rex, ELECTRIC WARRIOR
Nick Lowe, PURE POP FOR NOW PEOPLE
Sex Pistols, NEVER MIND THE BULLOCKS & parts of the GREAT ROCK & ROLL SWINDLE
Mekons, whatever that great coutryry album is called, it's in the car
X, various

Hey, we could all go on and on and on and on and ...

I wasn't up quite that early -- 6.30 by my clock. This is the coast of Maine! the sun rises at 4 in the summer.

Bryan & Bill, thanks for the URLs, will defintely check them out, though probably not till I get back. Bill, your life sounds far more interesting than mine -- what are you doing here???

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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 12:30 pm:   

Bill, I have most every Manzanera, except the new one, and lots of Frond...I'll check out Blegvad. As well as all the other urls from brian....

Glad there's someone who loves the Hemans -- I didn't think they had any fans left but me.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 12:33 pm:   

Of course, every time I'm called upon to come up with a list of my favorities, my brain goes completely blank...

Bill, your personal library (when it stops being a "collection" and becomes a "library" you know you're in serious trouble) is indeed impressive. As a fellow collector, I must ask: Where do you store everything? I'm an apartment dweller and my music is forcing me right out the door!

Since so many of my favorites would be duplicative of stuff people have already noted (Berlin, Marquee Moon, Los Angeles, etc.), I'll just ask if anyone is a fan of a couple artists I think have not gotten nearly the acclaim they deserve:

EYELESS IN GAZA
A CERTAIN RATIO
COMSAT ANGELS
PIANO MAGIC
ROTHKO
THROWING MUSES/KRISTIN HERSH
GODSPEED YOU! BLACK EMPEROR
THALIA ZEDEK/UZI/COME

Just saw The Album Leaf from San Diego (Jimmy LaValle, formerly of Tristessa) last night and they were amazing. Terrific chamber music, like a stripped-down Godspeed. Highly recommended.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 12:47 pm:   

Like Thalia, Like Comsat Angels....

Godspeed's too ambient for me to love

Would like to mute Kristen Hersh forever...

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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:12 pm:   

some great atmospheric moody music...

coil 'musick to play in the dark'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:vx3m964ojepc

'2'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:rt2uak6k0m3k

current93 'thunder perfect mind'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:ikuk6j2171w0

'all the pretty little horses'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:5ef2zfj8eh2k

and 'sleep has his house'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:ve3m962okepf

stone breath 'the silver skein unwound'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:28n20r2al48b

in gowan ring

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=11:usja7i42g76r
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:34 pm:   

some more great relatively folkishly speaking recordings worth checking into on an outing...

roy harper 'flat baroque and berserk'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:iqpzefqkhgfo

'stormcock'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:iqpzefqkhgfo

donovan 'hms donovan'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:60d8vw9va9qk

'gift from a flower to a garden'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:ugke4j470waq

areski & brigitte fontaine 'l'incendie'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:vflvad7kl8w8

lee hazlewood 'cowboy in sweden'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:ve2ibkd90ak0

'requiem for an almost lady'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:66r9287u053a

alastair galbraith 'mirrorwork'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:o7320r2ay48i

Älgarnas Trädgård ' Framtiden är ett Svåavande Skepp, Förankrat i Forntiden'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:71320r2ai48p

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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:38 pm:   

and last but not least, the MOST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM OF PROBABLY ALL TIME (not to metion the worst reviewed), a must have for any lover of reckless 'who gives a fuck' punk rock...

alex chilton 'like flies on sherbert'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:85j20rjac48j
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:42 pm:   

The Wire did a really tremendous piece on Nurse With Wound/Current 93 that was the only really comprehensive overview of their work that I've ever seen. It pretty much goes through the entire body of work, which is rather incredible. I'm kicking myself because I missed the Steve Stapleton signing at Cobalt in Portland last summer!

Lucius, sorry you don't like Kristen. I'll admit the quality of the work has come down a bit from the godlike "Hips and Makers" from 1993. Her new band, 50 Foot Wave, sounds good on disc, but was lackluster in the extreme onstage. Very disappointing.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:54 pm:   

I vomit on Hips and Makers. But I dig Nurse and Current. I once signed a book for David Tibet. Made me wanta polish my fingernails on my lapel. :-)
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:56 pm:   

have you seen this book?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0946719403/qid=1090011320/sr=1-1/r ef=sr_1_1/104-7885256-4290356?v=glance&s=books
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 02:25 pm:   

H&M was a great musical moment for me. Really transcendent. We're going to have to agree to disagree on KH. We generally have similar tastes, although some, including me, find Stephin Merritt a bit much to take...:-)

I love the hardcore weirdness. The only NWW/C93 disc I couldn't stand was a Current 93 record called "Crystals" I got on the west coast. It's supposed to be some sort of science experiment about the sound of electricity conducted through crystals, but it's basically 40 minutes of utterly unlistenable static.

Recos of new, bizarre, and preferably moody, trancey instrumental music are always appreciated.
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 02:30 pm:   

"The only NWW/C93 disc I couldn't stand was a Current 93 record called "Crystals" I got on the west coast."

that was just released by c93, it was actually a recording by harry oldfield.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 02:50 pm:   

Man, I detest Stephen Merrit now. I liked the early shit when you couldn't hear the lyrics...

Oh, wow! I just ralphed all over Ms Hersh again!
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 04:16 pm:   

Wow, what a mean guy. Vomiting all over such a nice lady, and a mom to boot. :-) At least we agree somewhat on SM.

I'm going home now to listen to The Real Ramona while I watch my Ara Parseghian highlight tape with the sound off...:-)

Actually, between the British Open, Copa America soccer and the 2nd season premiere of Da Ali G. Show, I've got a full wknd's viewing.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 05:05 pm:   

Two essential bands I lefy off my list:

Captain Beefheart
The Young Gods
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T Andrews
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:30 pm:   

Monster Magnet - Powertrip

"cuz i'm a livin' crop circle, yeah"
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:48 pm:   

Actually my favorite MM album remains Spine of God. Very druggy....
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 10:26 pm:   

Hi Dave G. Just got back on line.

For 22 years, I stored the library, which was at maximum 2/3 of what it is now, in a 1 bedroom apartment in Hackensack. Friends would not visit for fear of imminent collapse. Snide comments were made referencing the Collier brothers. The building was built in the '20s and the wiring was pretty scary. If my place had caught fire it would have looked like one of the pillers of fire near the end of Mortal Love but instead of smelling of green apples would have smelled seriously toxic due to the LPs.

Then a combination of my mother and this girl Erin (who, despite being blonde, was Philip K Dick's Dark Haired Girl to a T) in the only positive thing she (Erin, not my mother) ever did for me, nagged me until I agreed to buy a condo. Erin and I went looking. First day out, 3rd condo had an 1100 square foot basement. I put a deposit down on the spot.

There is one very large room and another small room off to the side. Uh, we haven't discussed all of my guitars, my drumset, various horns and saxes, amps, pedals, and every rhythm instrument known to man and many which aren't. (One day I will reveal the exploits of the Avant Garde North Jersey Rhythm Ensemble if it is otherwise a slow day.) They are all in the small room. There is also in the small room the Ramones standup as seen in Rock and Roll High School (Love It.) That dates back to the apartment and I have never gotten over walking into the room where it lurks in the dark and half the time getting scared out of my wits.
In the big room I set up parallel library shelves running right across the room. Easy as pie. Video tape and audio tape racks serve as end caps. I'll spare you the numbers. When I finally get a job again, and can afford the right equipment I'm going to digitalize all of the taped material.

Down one wall is a series of doll cases with family memorabilia, my collection of mutant plush animals from my time working at Russ Berrie (such as Nikki the Sheep who had been Nikki the Cat until a customer put it into her dryer and chose to return it upon seeing the consequences,) variously twisted and deranged items, and my Belgian beer glasses.

The rooms on the main floor are also spacious, so I put racks along the walls. All of the CDs and the DVDs are there, along with unread books which number about 300 including 2 of Lucius'. (Fret not, everything else of which I am aware was read and is in the basement archives.)

Hate to say it, but in an apartment I would have been cooked. Maybe literally. Check your wiring. Make sure you have a sprinkler system. Wet books or death? YOU choose.

The only other thing which I thought of occasionally was renting storage rooms or modules. The issue here is climate control. This depends on where you live, but heat, cold, damp, mildew, and silverfish are not kind to printed matter.

You may have to move. Ever hear of Forrey Ackerman? I think(?) this is true rather than apocryphal but what I heard was that upon filling his house with books, comics, and film memorabilia (there was stuff in the refrigerator,) his wife insisted they leave all that there and move to an appartment. And, so I heard, that is what they did.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 10:58 pm:   

Lucius - Like the earlier stuff but aDOREd Trout Mask Replica and Lick My Decals Off Baby. Saw that band live at Ungano's in 1970(?) Staggering live.

After those LPs I dinna like him so much my nadir being at Spotlight Kid and Clear Spot. (In other words, pretty much the way everyone else reacted.)
Saw him again in Brussels in '74. The CDs are on Warner but I believe the LPs were Mercury as I recall the phrase "the disasterous Mercury period." Henry Cow opened for them and were fabulous. I wound up walking out on the Captain because he was doing all new "Mercury?" band material and no Zoot Horn Rollow or any of the real Magic Band.

The later one with Gary Lucas was pretty good

Grow Fins is mandatory. There are ephemeral signs that a part 2 may have been released but I have no firm info.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 11:09 pm:   

Liz and Lucius. You know, after John Cale left the Velvets my interest in them waned. And I know I have never given Lou his Due. But John's types of music and ideas (charming little stories like The Gift) were more my kind of thing.
Patti used to do (maybe still does, haven't seen her in a while) "Pale Blue Eyes" from the 4th LP. I far prefer her version which segues into Louie, Louie. Great show at an Irish bar in Nyack.
Marisa Monte used to do an oddly uptempo version of that which I think was suggested to her by Arto Lindsey
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 11:21 pm:   

Liz I love Wave by Patti. In fact, a tradition dating to the release of the LP was to baptize all new audio equiment, new car, etc with "Frederick" and "Dancing Barefoot."
I also think Dream of Life, with her husband Fred is way underated.
Gone Again after his death has a savage intensity, coming to terms.
No question that the first 4(moi)/3(tu) are the creme de la... But they all have something different to offer. (And we have so little time!!!!)
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 11:37 pm:   

Liz Could not get Johnny Thunders or Sex Pistols, sorry!!!!
But you are completely correct regarding the importance of Brian Jones to the Stones. I kinda figured you felt that way from the ref. in ML.
I presume you include Satanic Magesties which is my favorite stones album of all time.
Let it Bleed and Sympathy for the Devil were both heavily influenced by Ry Cooder which added something to the mix, but I haven't liked anything since.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 11:40 pm:   

Sorry Bryan but I have always preferred Big Star to any solo Chilton. Even seeing him in concert, the Big Star material holds out best. We are doing a massive resort but once that is accomplished I will listen to his solo work again. Maybe I will change my mind. Maybe I will understand better why it disappointed me.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 11:44 pm:   

Lucius. You are being too harsh on the Hersh. After all, she did that pleasant little CD about country murder stories. I'll grant you it certainly was no Nick Cave Murder Ballads. Little could be.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 12:50 am:   

Lucius Given your like of the Mekons, do you have the programs to convert .shn and .flac files to .wav files? .shn and .flac are new lossless formats for music which are far superior in quality to mp3s.

http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree

This has a list of bands who are tape and trade friendly. I have serious issues with Napster type copying and avoiding paying the artist, or even in the case of some of the more obscure stuff we dig, the record company and the purveyor. However, allegedly ALL of these bands approve of this process. Many of their websites specify their preferences, like audio but no video, or whatever.

The links on this site are unreleased concerts exclusively.

You might steer away from, you should pardon the expression, The Grateful Dead (which would be a mistake only for shows prior to 1970.)
But
Not only does this site have 5 Rainmakers concerts it has 52 Bob Walkenhort concerts. Bob was the singer/songwriter/lead guitar for The Rainmakers
and now I promise that I will shut up about them. But if I have made anyone curious the Trondheim 1995 is the place to start.

Lucius - this is the reason I bring this up:
Mekons - 26 shows covering from during the country era to well past the Rock and Roll and Curse of the Mekons era. (In retrospect I think I like Curse even better than Rock - Lyric and Here Comes McDrug are killer.)
Waco Brothers - 4 shows
Rico Bell - from the country period 1 show
Sally Timms - 2 shows
Jon Langford - 6 shows, a 2004 PVC, a 1999 with the usual suspects who surround Nico Case, etc.

There are 2 other SAFE (i.e. not Kazaa) peer2peer .shn .flac sites. (Actually there are hundreds but most seem to specialize in software or porno.)

They seem to be run by technically very savvy music lovers who want this stuff distributed. Everything is free except for the blank CD.
I don't see off hand anyone on their lists who I know is anti-trading like Richard Thompson, but no one can verify that at least the living don't mind and the dead won't turn.

Have to download 3 pieces of software if all you want to do is download. The BitTorrent Client, a .shn decoder, and a .flac decoder. Feel free to ask for help. If I did it, anyone can do it.

The sites are:
http://bt.easytree.org/
http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/

Uploading, if you are feeling generous, is substantially more complicated but I can help with that as well. These sites run on the owners' money and donations.
You have to decide how you feel about pulling this stuff. I'm now downloading 4 artists who I know are trader friendly. I have also pulled some Polly Jean Harvey and I have no idea what her attitude is. This site does not make an issue of it.
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liz
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 05:24 am:   

Boy, I'm gonna have to buy a condo if I ever intend to listen to any of this stuff! that or cave and just buy an iPod. great recommendations, thanks.

i love the thrills album, pure ear-candy. the lead singer can't sing, but it all works for me anyway.

i saw Captain Beefheart a bunch of times in the 70s/80s, with his guitarist Brave Midnight-Hat-Sized Snyder. A great band. And I saw Patti perform Pale Blue Eyes several times, too -- saw her a bunch from the mid-70s on. I think when I saw her in '75 Cale actually played with her on PBE. she was, and i gather still is, an incredible performer.

The only time I saw Lou Reed he sucked.

in the middle of the night I woke up and thought, How could I forget The Who??? and the Move circa "Do Ya?" And Slade! their live version of "Darling Be Home Soon" can still make my hair stand on end.


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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 06:42 am:   

I saw Captain Beeffheart opening for the Electric Prunes (ack!) in Detroit) in the early 70s and saw him headlining in that city a few years later. Saw PSmith a bunch. All good.

Bill, that little hersh murder stories album...It as tolerable. I had it for two weeks before I sold it. Thanks for the Mekons stuff.

Did y'all know Jon Langford is an artist. He paints on wood, usually portraits of music people -- Hank Williams, Robt Johnson -- along with some words about then. I have one of his, a painting og the young Presley...

I have to mention one more guy I consider essential. Johnny Dowd. A great songwriter and his performances are inimitable. Sort of like a cross between Grant Wood's American Gothic and a revival meeting,,,,
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 07:15 am:   

"Sort of like a cross between Grant Wood's American Gothic and a revival meeting,,,,"

makes me think of dock boggs

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=11:w7he4jj70wai

he's by far my favorite on the 'american anthology of folk music'.

if you can find 'country blues', pick it up. it's an essential slice of old america...

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:iau36j8o71e0

as far as the rolling stones are concerned, my favorite period is the 'sticky fingers'/'exile on main street' era

i like a lot of their singles in the 60s, but other than 'satanic majesties request' (a great unique record influenced by the incredible string band) i don't really think their albums are consistant enough to merit buying them.

another record i'd like to mention is dr. john's 'gris gris', it has that 'sympathy for the devil' vibe throughout it. i realize he was creating a persona, but output is real, holy, and powerful. good stuff.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:gifoxqr5ldte
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 07:24 am:   

"Sorry Bryan but I have always preferred Big Star to any solo Chilton. Even seeing him in concert, the Big Star material holds out best. We are doing a massive resort but once that is accomplished I will listen to his solo work again. Maybe I will change my mind. Maybe I will understand better why it disappointed me."

they shouldn't be compared, they're entirely different. i'm a big star fan myself (especially 'sister lovers'), but the chilton solo record i mentioned is great for how careless he was in the recording of it. he sounds fucked up. it really rocks. don't know about his other records though.

he did go on to produce the amazing 'i know you fine but how you doin' album by the gories.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:j8rb283t055a

a classic release.
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bryan scott cederberg
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 07:28 am:   

"in the middle of the night I woke up and thought, How could I forget The Who???"

elizabeth, i'm sure you'll like the new fiery furnaces record now.

"Matt has acknowledged the influence of The Who's rock suites, "A Quick One, While He's Away" and "Rael", but instead of taking a single theme and expanding it into one lengthy song, Matt is more likely to concatenate half-dozen seemingly separate ideas in a way that makes every piece-- even a straightforward track such as "Straight Street"-- feel epic."

read the rest of the review at:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fiery-furnaces/blueberry-boat.sht ml
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RWexler
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 10:07 am:   

Hi Liz,

The missing link between The Replacements and Nick Drake is Alejandro Escovedo.

Robert
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:37 am:   

Or Elliott Smith (RIP). Or perhaps Jeff Buckley. No, definitely Elliott Smith.

Bill, thanks for the advice. Moving to a big condo with a basement may not be an option, due to the very serious, NYC style real estate boom in DC and environs that is jacking re prices up beyond belief. Since I am not in the same league of collecting that you are, I have found a sane, interim storage remedy called "The Container Store." I am trying to combine this with a pared-down approach to CD buying, to see if I can hang on for a few more years. (That having said, just bought Galaxie 500's DON'T LET OUR YOUTH GO TO WASTE DVD and can't wait to check it out. Another band I was too dumb in the 80s to appreciate, even though they were living amongst us.)

Since I'm going into the hosp. for an operation soon (not serious, tho), I have been giving some thought to a new question: What the hell is going to happen to all my crap if I die? Has anyone thought about this? I mean, even if I had a will, to whom could I leave 3,000 records? Who would have the room or the desire to house it? Who would appreciate it all? I am seriously thinking about making a bequest to my old college radio station. Has anyone thought about the ramifications of this?

Probably not.

On the music tip, I'm glad someone mentioned John Cale on this list. In any list of the Great Unsung Heroes of Rock and Roll, Cale would have to be on anyone's Top Ten. Musician, composer, singer, producer, performer...This guy has done it all, and for as long as anyone drawing breath.

Lucius, now, have we picked on Kristin Hersh enough? :-)
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bill reynolds
Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 12:03 pm:   

Hi Dave. I think I mentioned that I am seriously considering endowing a university library. I am sporadically looking for a place in the U.S. (careful not to spend more time on that than looking for a job) but my real dream is to find an enthusiastic college or university in the Antipodes that would want this stuff enough to ship it and, hopefully, sponser me so I could work there and get a small stipend curating it. My wife has agreed to move to Australia if I really want to.
Liz - maybe Jack Dann could gimme some leads???
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bryan
Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 06:49 pm:   

great reissue just released.

simon finn 'pass the distance'

I can't tell you how many people have unsuccessfully come into Other Music in search of this album, which until now has only turned up every once in a great while in our used bin, and even then in a non-official version. Durtro, the label run by Current 93's David Tibet, is responsible for the first-ever legitimate CD reissue of Simon Finn's incredibly rare and sought-after 1970 album Pass The Distance. This is psychedelic folk at its finest: Intuitive, immediate, vulnerable, emotional, chaotic, dark, lonely, world-weary, naive, incredibly human.

While recording the album, Finn was joined in the studio by several accompanying musicians, one of whom was a very young David Toop. Toop was given free reign to play an incredible number of instruments including guitar, mandolin, flute, harmonium, accordion, and violin. The fact that he admittedly didn't know how to play many of them explains for the strange bare-bones arrangements. As with some of the best works of art, the so-called mistakes make the work all the more fascinating. Parts of the record are beautiful and idyllic, but there's an unsettling and sometimes terrifying undercurrent to some of the music that reminds me of Comus. There are several moments when Finn sounds like he's on the verge of a total breakdown, and it's a miracle that the songs don't ever fall completely apart around him.

Finn's legacy looms large over the music of contemporary folk revivalists and experimenters like Richard Youngs and Devendra Banhart. Pass The Distance has been remastered from the original tapes, and it sounds a whole lot richer than any of the old bootlegs. It includes liner notes by Simon Finn, David Toop, David Tibet, and Mushroom Records owner Vic Keary, plus some great shambolic Donovanesque folk-pop bonus tracks (one of which Finn wrote at age 12), and photos of the enigmatic singer-songwriter himself (he actually looks a lot like Devendra). Simon Finn is still around, living in Canada and apparently working on a new album, and best of all he's supposed to play in Brooklyn in August. Rumor has it that this disc might not remain in print for long, so don't hesitate if you're interested in picking this up. One of the year's most essential psych reissues. [RH]
(review from other music)

http://www.othermusic.com/2004july21update.html
http://www.othermusic.com/perl-bin/OM/CD_Show_Info.cgi?ID=309253.38580&catalog_i d=28915
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justin headrick
Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 08:14 pm:   

hey there, just discovered this wonderful place!
got to say Coil has been my biggest influence over the past 20 years....

as for Liz, man, i worked in a bookstore for 13 years and discovered about 4 writers that i could never get enough of & Elizabeth Hand has been the only consistently great out of the bunch....

my sister in law had the fortune of meeting Liz in San Fran & i'd sent her copies to have signed for me...thrilling...still not finished with Mortal Love...had to detour through a library book called Speed of Dark...exceptional...

back to music...
Coil - Horse Rotorvator is what electronic music would be if it were an ethnic catagory & brilliant...
Derek Jarman's soundtrack to Blue always hits me very heavily...

well i could go on and on, but i won't yet...just a quick hello!

justin
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liz
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 06:52 am:   

Justin -- Hi! I'm really so glad to hear from you! Thanks for your kind words about the work. I did indeed meet your sister-in-law at the SF reading -- she was great. I have a copy of ICARUS DESCENDING sitting right here to send to you -- email me at tbird@midcoast.com so I can verify your address.

I reviewed SPEED OF DARK for the Washington Post -- I thought it was brilliant. Just a fantastic book.

I have to find that simon finn, heard some of it on our great local alternative station and have heard of it for years. Most of my music I scavenge, i.e., friends (Paul Witcover especially) give me stuff or I pick it up in used bins. Kind of hit or miss but sometimes you find interesting things. Skip Spence's OAR and the MORE OAR tribute were good discoveries a few years ago.

Anyone ever hear of a guy called Jon Auer? (I think that's his name; maybe it's Josh?) I have an Elvis Costello tribute album from a few year's back that's okay, a few decent covers; but Auer does "Beyond Belief" and it just blew me away. Costello's version is a kind of bossa nova; Auer's version brings to mind Nick Drake if he'd successfully gone into therapy and decided to tell us how he REALLY feels. An amazing song, but I know nothing else by or about Auer.

I heard the soundtrack from that movie GARDEN STATE is supposed to be good. Anyone heard it yet?
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liz
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 08:16 am:   

Justin -- great to hear from you! and thanks so much for your nice comments. I did indeed meet your siser in law in SF. And I have a copy of ICARUS DESCENDING sitting right here for you -- email me at tbird@midcoast.com so I can confirm your mailing address and pop it in the post.

I reviewed SPEED OF DARK for the Washington Post -- an absolutely brilliant book. I thought it was amazing.

I've heard of that simon finn album for years. have to track it down before it disappears from view ...
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liz
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 08:17 am:   

oops -- somehow posted versions of the same message twice. thought i'd lost one! sorry!
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bryan
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 12:12 pm:   

elizabeth,

if you'd like, i'll send you out some cds. just email me with your address.

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liz
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 07:14 am:   

bryan -- that would be great! thanks! why don't you give me your address & in exchange can I send you something? i don't know if there's any of my books you'd like (that I actually havelying around) but let me know. I'd send you CDs but -- well, I don't know how to burn them (though i do now have a burner).
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Bob Scheffel
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 11:39 am:   

I'm a huge fan of your work, Elizabeth, so I'm always checking out your site and message board (just finished Mortal Love and adored it; got to hear you read some of it at Worldcon last year).
But mainly, I just wanted to point out about Jon Auer. He is, along with Ken Stringfellow, the co-leader of the Posies, one of the best power-pop bands ever, and any of their recordings are highly recommended. Auer is supposed to be finally coming out with a solo this fall, but you should have no trouble finding any of his other stuff.
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Piers
Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 03:37 pm:   

Liz -- I've loved your writing since I first read Winterlong, and am looking forward to Mortal Love so much - congrats on all the great reviews!

Dave G. -- thank you so much for mentioning that Galaxie 500 DVD, I had no idea it existed. their version of Joy Division's "Ceremony" is one of those things that is just plain perfect.

Speaking of Joy Division, am I wrong, or were several of their song titles used as section names in Black Light? I thought that was the coolest thing at the time. I suppose it still is!

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iotar
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 01:57 am:   

>>their version of Joy Division's "Ceremony" is one of those things that is just plain perfect.

One of those tracks that I've been playing at anyone and everyone for years. My vinyl is getting rather worn out. Saw them play it live in 1989/1990(?) with Kramer backing up on second guitar. Glorious!
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Ysabeau
Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:03 pm:   

Delurking (a bit late in the discussion) to say that Coil is probably one of my most favorite bands of all time--totally agree that Horse Rotovator is Dead Brilliant, after 20 years I can still listen to it over and over again...I adore their cover of Tainted Love...And Gold is the Metal with the Strongest Shoulders...ahhh...I think I'll go put that on, right now...

Highlight of my Wayward Youth: Best friend Bejanun and I, in a coffee/music induced frenzy wrote a fan letter to Coil, using gold paint and glitter glue. We offered to put them up if they ever played in San Francisco...Three weeks later we actually got a response back, in an envelope crammed with stickers. They said they'd love to stay with us if they ever came to SF, but alas they never did. I still have the stickers, though. I wonder what happened to the letter?????

Speaking of other bands of that semi-ilk: ADRV:Crash Worship. I'm not sure how to label their music other than LOUD, COMBUSTABLE, and MESSY. They used to through organ meat in the audience, and once, burning rags. I'm not even sure how many people were in the band--you could never see the stage for all the smoke. But the music made you dancedancedance.

I saw Crash Worship open for Fugazi (ah Fugazi, the best live band in the whole wide world), and the lead shouter almost got arrested for shaving his pubic hair in the parking lot--the show was at a church in DC.

Ah the snows of yesteryear...

Ysabeau
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justin headrick
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 04:24 am:   

yeah Crash Worsip are no more, but something so moving was bound to end. utterly brilliant shows....more a pagan festival than anything else...

just finished the libraries copy of "Speed of Dark" which was really amazing...can't decide about the ending? was it sad or not?

so finally getting back to "Mortal Love"....


justin
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liz
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 07:54 am:   

I found the end of SOD poignant but not really sad. A really great book, though.
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justin
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:26 pm:   

do you think he found love? not that it must be found to have a worthwhile life, but sharing of love and lives can make the things you enjoy in life so much better....

i couldn't help but mourn, just a bit, for the things he'd lost....of course my son fences & i find patterns complelling...
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liz
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:58 am:   

I think he found love. I'm not the author, but in my own work, sometimes the happy ending comes *after* the story ends, so maybe that's what happened in SPEED OF DARK.
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bill reynolds
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 09:43 am:   

Black to Comm.

Shad roe, Me-(no)show, and Abed-Nigak, in the Burning Fiery Furnace. Daniel 3:20 et al; Julia Child Revised Version.

Bryan. You are Da Man. My order finally came through and I love both Furnaces CDs. They (especially Gallowsbird) remind me most of Slapp Happy and very early Sparks. So early, in fact, that it was back when the band was called Half Nelson and the LP was still in its first pressing and was self titled. (It is still in the basement archives.)

I noticed, by the way, when hanging out over at Mike's place, that your email is rowan_morrison93.... Pretty twisted. I wish I'd thought of that. The relevant film discussion must have been over at Lucius' and I can never keep up over there. Did you pick the number 93 at random, or are there actually approximately 90+ more Wicker Fen wanting to user her name?
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 01:39 pm:   

Just getting back to this thread after the long vacation weekend.

Glad my G500 reco could be of use to someone.

"Ceremony" by New Order was the first song to really open my eyes as a young punk.

Coil fans? My personal fave is the rejected HELLRAISER s/t disc. I sit around thinking of how good that film would have been with Messrs. Christopherson, Balance, etc. filling the theater with Dolby foreboding...
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Jeffrey J Lyons
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:57 pm:   

There is a pretty good streaming website for obscure music called Pure Obscure. They're based out of Maine. Mostly 80's stuff. Follow this link:
http://radio.pureobscure.com/default.asp

They used to take requests until people started making back to back or repeated requests. It's free but they're always willing to accept a bit of pocket change to pay for their domain and equipment.
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john fernandes
Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 03:44 pm:   

If you're into the Incredible String Band, check out The Sun Also Rises, a mystical british folk duo recently reissued on CD.
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liz
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 04:00 am:   

Hey, cool, thanks -- I will. I had that first ISB album on vinyl years ago but lost it, or something. What's the time frame for The Sun Also Rises?

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iotar
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 05:45 am:   

Liz: I got a copy of the first ISB album on vinyl if you want a copy. Unless, that is, the copyright police are watching in which case you *certainly can't have a copy*!
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Bill Reynolds/Socrates17
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 01:53 pm:   

John:

I searched on Amazon under The Sun Also Rises and started listening to the clips for the only item that popped up without looking at the item.
"Hmmm," I said, "this sounds more Prog than ISB." Then I realized that the only listing Amazon had found was the title of an CD by a Dutch band called Knight Area. Duh. Be careful what you order!!!

Amazon UK lists a CD by the BAND The Sun Also Rises but it came out in 1999 and appears to be out of print. They didn't even have anything used. I'll look when I'm in London next week and I'll try to pick up 2 copies.

Saw the ISB at the Fillmore East at the urging of a Physics professor, Tiny Tim Tausner. (I was in his class on the Schrödinger Wave Equation. He was a good teacher, despite the nickname, 'cause I still remember both. (The concert and the equation.))

About 10 years ago, I saw Robin Williamson do a bunch of solo concerts where he mixed music with historical and hysterical Celtic stories. I have a bunch of tapes of these that I would cheerfully copy for anyone interested. (I have ethical problems with copying available CDs and I never Napsterized, but these are not for sale any more.) These shows were towards the end of his "Won't talk about the ISB and won't do any of their material" phase that is now, fortunately, over. Feel free to email me, but do it quick or you'll have to wait until I get back to the US again in May.

Bryan - in case you're still hanging around, I put both Gallowsbird Bark and Blueberry Boat on my non-iPOD mp3 player for my trip so I'm STILL enjoying your initial suggestion. Gosh, this was a fun thread. I'm sorry it petered out. Let's revive it again. I'd start with the contents of my mp3 player ("What would you take to a desert island?") but at 40GB that would take a LITTLE too much space.

I think I'm turning into David Foster Wallace. All the parentheticals are wanna-be footnotes.
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liz
Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 01:01 pm:   

Gee, Zali, that's EXACTLY the kind of thing I'd like a copy of, if I were the sort of felonious person who wanted copies of things like that!

I love reading about all this music but don't spend near enough time listening to new (or old, or obscure) stuff to rate as a poster. I just started listening to a Tricky CD, also Fat boy Slim, sent me by Justin H. Great stuff. I'd heard Triky before but not FBS. As I've said, I live in the hinterlands up here, and while we've got a great radio station, I just don't get out and buy much stuff, and I still don't have an iPod (though my kids & partner do) or MP3. So I'm doing things the old-fashioned way.

Incidentally, our alternative radio station, WERU, is now streaming online and has built a following in LA and also Scandinavia, among other far-flung places.

www.weru.org.

You need to check out their program guide to find what's on -- there's some talk programs I don't listen to much, fairly Maine-centric talk so perhaps not of much interest to the outside world. But the music can be fantastic. The 11 AM - 2PM slot weekdays (different djs), and the legendary Charlie Oldham's Saturday 3-5 PM slot are my favorites.

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Loren
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 09:09 am:   

I've gotten hooked on satellite radio myself. I like hearing things other than what I already own, but am none too keen on the radio around here (they killed WHFS btw, which was the only good music station). And I 'm in the boonies so we've got a slow satellite net connection, not good for listening online.

I think you can sample sirius and XM online if you want to try it out before you fork over the bucks for it.

Not music but I used to love to listen to Joe Frank on college radio back in SF, you can find his stuff online at: www.joefrank.com

Cheers,

Loren
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Patrick Donovan
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 02:36 pm:   

Ms. Hand,

I read your piece about Lucy Cohen in the CUA Magazine. I graduated in '84 having majored in anthropology/archeology and was lucky enough to take two courses, both grad and at night, from Prof. Cohen. She was a pleasure and I remember her fondly. While your name sounds familiar, I must confess I do not recall you at the moment. However, I must thank you for the memory. It made me smile.

Patrick Donovan
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liz
Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 05:29 am:   

Hi Patrick,

What a nice note -- it's good to hear from someone else who remembers Dr. Cohen. I really did think she was wonderful. I sometimes wish now that I could go back to school and get a graduate degree, but I know the experience wouldn't be the same.

I had to take classes in such a piecemeal fashion back then, fitting them around my job, that I never really got to meet or connect with other students in the department. Most of my close friends had started as undergrads with me in 1975, and had long since gone on to other things. The good side of this was I focused on my schoolwork (which I hadn't done back in the 70s). The downside was I never got to know other anthropology majors. AH well.

Dr. Ingersoll was a big inspiration to me as well. I thought CU had a very fine department, especially considering how small it was.
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Patrick Donovan
Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 01:32 pm:   

Ms. Hand,

I have very fond memories of CUA and especially that department. You seem to be doing rather well for yourself and I do not doubt they had a small part to play in that. For myself, they do deserve credit for any success I've been able to attain to date.

I read somewhere that you wrote a novel with CUA as the setting. I shall have to take a read of that some day.

Patrick

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