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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:29 pm:   

 Old thread too long


By Bob K. on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 09:31 am:

Thanks for that, Thomas. Yeah, Iraq. What the hell? I'll restate the obvious for the trolls who started this thread.

Saddam is out of power, and he was a bad man... We gave the Iraquis the vote, sort of. But what did it cost to accomplish this great philanthropic act? Thanks to arrogance and bad planning, it cost the following:

Lives:
About 100,000 Iraquis have been killed since this began, about two-thirds by our troops. In his entire twenty-year tenure, Saddam killed 300,000. We work faster.

Money:
Billions and billions and billions more. What, another 82 billion coming up?

Cred:
Our leaders said we went after Saddam for WMD. We didn't find any. Our leaders implied that there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Never close to proven. We failed to protect museums and hospitals. We let the whole Iraqui ARMY go unemployed so that it could join the insurgency. The news is flooded with images of our troops torturing prisoners and our woefully inadequate planning to prevent such abuse (if it wasn't actually abetted from the top).

At best, those who support our unilateral approach to Iraq are in the position of defending hamfisted incompetence, if not downright venality.


   By Jim on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 11:55 am:

Couldn't have said it better myself, Bob. You go, boy!
   By Lucius on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 01:16 pm:

You have to admit, people, that the Iraqi vote makes a stirring preamble to civil war....
   By mark samuels on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 02:33 pm:

Anyone else get the feeling that Bob K., Lucius and Jim are not worth an arse wipe from any Iraqi brave and willing to defy death to vote for whom they choose will govern them? I do.
   By Bob K. on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 02:56 pm:

That's real cogent, Mark. Maybe if we'd gone in with some humility and a true international force, vetted the Iraqi military and kept the majority of it paid and on our side, exercising the franchise wouldn't be quite the death-defying act it is today. But don't shut your mouth on my account. You might suffocate.

Bob
   By Brendan on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:01 pm:

Thomas - I did not think you were being huffy. It is simply that the term Medieval is a term used to signify the period between the dark ages in Europe and, I guess, the renaissance (though that term also can be funny as it really refers to Italy). I mean - sure some people might misuse the term, but that does not mean it is correct.

Mark S. - What, do you think that anyone who questions the validity and good of this disgusting situation in Iraq is somehow worthless? Most Iraqis dont even know who the hell they are voting for. More than half thought they were voting for a president. The people who brave death in the hope of a better life might be noble, but that hardly means that they are informed.
   By mark samuels on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:17 pm:

Maybe so, Bob, but WHEN was the last time you were threatened with death on the way to vote?

Can you respect my point of view or not?

Mark
   By Lucius on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:18 pm:

If Tony Blair is Bush's poodle, does that make Mark Samuels NighttShade's poodle?

If Mark Samuels were to raise his finger in the air and there were a blue stain on it, you can bet his boyfriend took an ink enema...

   By mark samuels on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:19 pm:

So Brendan, the Iraqis are ignorant for daring to vote?

Mark
   By Lucius on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:20 pm:

Let me take that one, Bob....

Not.

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:33 pm:   

Why is it the neo-cons, or whatever they call their British counterparts, so lusting war and full or righteousness, are guy who've never been in the shit, never seen a shot fired in anger...

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:37 pm:   

Missed this post in transferring the others:

   By mark samuels on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:25 pm:

Lucius, darling, and you said you'd never tell about the ink enema. I thought it was just between the two of us you old viejo puto. Ay.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:39 pm:   

Question: What would you have is had, say, nine Mark Samuels.

Answer: I don't know, but one more and you'd have a really gigantic pussy...
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mark samuels
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:41 pm:   

Lucius--what the hell are you talking about you mad old fool? Try to make to sense.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:43 pm:   

Typo correction:

Question: What would you have if you had, say, nine Mark Samuels.

Answer: I don't know, but one more and you'd have a really gigantic pussy...
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mark samuels
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:43 pm:   

with allowances for typos :-)

Mark
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:43 pm:   

Is that better, asswipe?
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mark samuels
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:44 pm:   

Shall we dance?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:47 pm:   

We're dancing now, buddy, but you're not doing so hot.
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mark samuels
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:50 pm:   

now come on you old tease, quality not quantity, es verdad?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:05 pm:   

Your Spanish needs work, little buddy. Misplaced modifiers and such...But that's neither here nor there.

Best go repair yourself, Mark. Some of your scabs are falling off. Come back when you have an opinion, you tiny right-wing wanker. I realize you're still growing a brain, but I don't think you'll ever be up to it.
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mark samuels
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:12 pm:   

My word, I'm really SO offended by your witty riposte (actually about as effective as your pedestrian prose). Vete a la chingada. Can you translate that? Or is colloquialism beyond you?
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mark samuels
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:18 pm:   

Es un chingaquedito
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Jeremy Lassen
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:25 pm:   

Mark, what do you say to the brave Iraqi's who risked their lives to vote, only to find out that the U.S. probably manipulated the results to keep a specific majority from gaining complete power in the assembly?

By no impartial measure were the elections in Iraqi legitimate. They were a sham, and an insult to the Iraqi people. Keep trying to put lipstick on a pig though. Its fun to see people falling all over themselves to try and justify blatant, cynical abuses of power.

Or wait. Its not fun. Its infuriating. Go volunteer for the red cross or something, if your such a humanitarian.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:29 pm:   

My witty riposte? My pedestrian prose? Oh my god! The legendary Mark Samuels is attacking my writing! How will I survive? My self-esteem is barely able to withstand such.

No, colloquialism's fine, but I see no need to resort to Spanish, unless it's your attempt to prove a pig can do tricks. Why not speak so all can understand, you boil-sucking, Blair-worshipping, little shit? Drop on over to States sometime. We have lots of dance steps. You might just learn something...

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Bob K.
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:38 pm:   

Que las pulgas de un mil camellos te infesten los sabacos; que el diablo te meta su tridente por culo; que no continuemos con estas tonterias, eh?

Make your case, Mark. "Defiendete," si tienes que usar espanol. No eres el unico que habla la lengua. Sabes? You've got an audience now, I'll bet. What's your point with this election thing? I never took issue with the idea that the election is positive, though given that 80% of the Sunnis abstained, I think it's also ominous. Do you think the war was prosecuted well, and that it's on the right track. And if not, what do you see us doing to improve things?

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AliceB
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:38 pm:   

Hrrmm... I have no problem whatsoever when people measure each other's dicks. But I do have a problem when they're compared to vaginas. Apples and oranges, y'know?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:48 pm:   

My apologies. Alice. It was a metaphor, but still....


Bob, yeah, right! Like he's gonna offer up a rational opinion/

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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 11:40 pm:   

Mark -

I am not saying someone is ignorant for wanting to vote. I am saying that they are mostly not informed about who, what they are voting for.

The word "democracy" is not inherently good. At its best it can be a good form of government. At its worst it is just so much more BS.
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Night Shade Books
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 03:34 am:   

You know, I've been meaning to learn spanish.
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Simon Owens
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 06:21 pm:   

You liberal heathens are definitely going to hell. You guys need to be added to the list:

http://www.raptureletters.com/

Hopefully you will then be saved.
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Night Shade Books
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 06:36 pm:   

I was going to be saved, but it turns out I have already have plans that day. Maybe I'll learn spanish instead. ¡Cuidado!
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Jeremy Lassen
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:26 pm:   

You HAVE to keep bringing up CUIDADO! I already apolgoized to you and Norm about that!
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Jeremy Lassen
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:30 pm:   

Do you think we could get some Night Shade affiliates to get listed here:
http://discoverthenetwork.org/

It seems to be pretty good company. Doug Lain has already complained that he is not represented on the list (http://www.livejournal.com/users/douglain/177691.html?). I think everybody here (who isn't a right wing crank, of course) should start pestering these folks until we get our proper recognition.
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Nels
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 07:01 am:   

Simon: Who do we have to speak to in order to get them all whisked away right now?
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Simon Owens
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 08:47 pm:   

Re: Nels

Well, the Pope's out of the picture, since it seems he's on his death bed. Better consult the fortune-telling 8-ball

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al duncan
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 04:38 am:   

"Liberal heathens"? Hey, I'm insulted. I'm an anarcho-socialist Satanist. Let's have less of that "heathen" crap. It's heretic, thank you very much. Or blasphemer. Or just plain antichrist will do.
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mark samuels
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 03:45 pm:   

Lucius Shepard wagging his imaginary dick around on the Nightshade boards and coming over all macho doesn't do it for me, I'm afraid. The rest of you go figure . . . camels and fleas (ho hum)

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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 04:22 pm:   

Certainly no one would accuse you of being macho.

Generally I keep to my own topic and talk about worthless shit like football, because it's a break from work; but jerks like you, who come on the board and light a fart just to make a sound-and-light of their pissant life, tick me off. It's like a chemical thing, my saliva gets all thick and ropy.

If you don't like the board, troll elsewhere. But you like it, you like any place where you can let your little spaniel out for a trot.

I'm done with you. Go write something legible. Literate, i'm sure, is too much to ask.

Arf weidersehn
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mark samuels
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 04:56 pm:   

Lucius--this here space isn't your own private message board, in case you'd not noticed.

But were you not one of those folks who take an offered handshake as a sign of weakness I'd be inclined to stretch out a fraternal paw right now. Taking a series of words as the measure of a man is a doubtful exercise...
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Bob K.
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 05:37 pm:   

> camels and fleas (ho hum)

Which was the point, a couple of inanities reflecting your own. Apparently you didn't get it.

Did you ever have a point? Or was it simply that the Iraqis sure are brave to vote under conditions we set up for them? Well then, here's to brave Iraqis and to our brave servicemen. The administration didn't do either of them many favors.




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