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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 01:10 pm:   

I guess pacify simply means kill people.

Certainly whatever support the US had before the latest bloodshed is rapidly evaporating.

Invading Iraq continues to prove itself to have been a mistake.
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ellen
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 05:34 pm:   

I am so depressed about this.
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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 10:58 pm:   

Me too. Before invading Iraq there was one good solution: Not invade. After there was the possibility of bringing in the UN, which would not have been a great solution, but would have been an improvement. At this point though, if the country is slipping into civil war, even the UN solution doesn't seem like it would solve much. There are no attractive solutions to the problem now.

Bush and his posse for a "New America" have really screwed up. And now both Iraqis and Americans have to die for their stupidity.
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Brendan
Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:06 am:   

A good opinion piece:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1188142,00.html

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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:46 am:   

Me, I'm loving the media performance. Quotes off CNN:

...Marine forces are busily engaged in crushing the increasingly violent rebellion...

Whereas that statement might, if you were generous, be said to communicate a non-Orwellian sense of things, I don't believe this one can be said to be otherwise:

...they had to destroy the mosque to liberate the mosque.....
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Brendan
Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:19 pm:   

Liberate the mosque of the all living beings, i.e. the forty people who were there for afternoon prayers.

A good way to "win the hearts and minds" of Iraqis, no?

The whole thing is insane . . . And yet the pundits still sing on about "liberating Iraq" and how only a "small minority" of the people are against the occupation, and that small minority is made up of "thugs" and "bad guys".

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Bob K
Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:28 pm:   

You mean "thugs and assassins." Squaaawk. "Thugs and assassins."
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Brendan
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 12:11 am:   

An article on Falluja:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1202163,00.html
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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 12:14 am:   

an interesting article on the new Iraq flag:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=515997
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Thomas R
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 01:20 am:   

Oddly enough on the flag I think we might be in rare agreement so I'll risk posting. If it was even a US state they'd have had a series of potential designs and then had the people vote. As they are supposed to be voting soon anyway adding flag designs in the mix wouldn't have been that big a thing. Also they might have come up with something that more fit them or just looked better.

The design is kind of blahh looking. It's all soothing light blues and whites. It almost, I hate saying this, looks like a design you'd intend for calming mental patients. Or in least it looks like something that didn't take much effort. Arabic & Islamic nations pretty much never have a white field with a blue crescent. That sounds kind of shallow, but there are several symbolic reasons the region prefers red, green, or white crescents. Their colors of Arabic pride, the desert, or just the actual color of the moon in the last case.

Where we might differ, perhaps, is I think a flag change itself would've been necessary. Flags of many nations change when rather radical changes happen. The Iraqi flag itself changed after the Hashemites were taken out. Likewise some of the flags symbolism was specifically Baathists. Some of the symbolism in the old flag didn't even make since. There were three stars symbolizing a merger of Syria, Egypt, and Iraq which of course never happened. Still it would've been preferable if they'd had designs from their own ideals that they voted on. As it's not official yet, I still hope they do that. If not, it's just one of several disappointments I guess.

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Steven Francis Murphy
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:14 am:   

I've got to say, that is one shitty flag. Why don't they stick with the old one?

Reminds me of my sergeants who were always checking to make sure I was wearing OD Green socks. I think this flag thing is really low on the list of priorities.

You'd think we Americans would know just how touchy people are about flags, considering the angst we go through when ours is screwed with.

Respects,
S. F. Murphy
http://sfmurphy.journalspace.com
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Thomas Pain-in-the-Ass
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 08:31 am:   

Ooh! I think I'll poke my wittle cold nose out and have a look-see. Oooh! Nobody's here. Maybe I'll risk posting. Oh! And my big buddy's here. Okay, I'm going to post. I really am. Here I go. Oh...oh...oh! I'm posting....oh, it feels so good! I'm posting..I'm posting! Ooooh! I posted....Gosh, that was good! Ooh! Maybe they'll recognize my post. Maybe I should clean it up. No, I won't. I want people to know it's mine. So there. I better get out of here before anyone comes back. But I was brave. I posted.
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paulw
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:00 am:   

Thomas PITA,

Puh-leeze.
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The Brave Little Poster
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:11 am:   

Looocius! You got some 'splainin' to do!

(Apologies to T. Disch)
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ellen
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:56 am:   

Where is there a photo of the flag? There's nothing with the article.
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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 12:16 pm:   

Ellen,

I saw a photo of it somewhere on Yahoo. I don't have the link on hand though.

Whatever the case: the choice of whether or not to change a flag, or what sort of flag to change it to should surely be left until some kind of legitimate government is formed.

Strategically, it seems like a really stupid thing to do, as it will certainly anger many people without really pleasing anyone (except for that council member's nephew).
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ellen
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 12:19 pm:   

Brendan,
I absolutely agree with you. There is no good reason to change Iraq's flag (unless the original had a photo of Sadam on it). It's an offensive, stupid, politically dumb act.
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Thomas R
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 12:20 pm:   

Thomas PITA, well it figures. I know I can be annoying, but still grow up.

The CNN article showed a picture of it
Iraq's new flag?
As does the BBC, I think.
Iraqis unimpressed by new flag

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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 12:26 pm:   

Here is a link with a pic of the flag:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=4&u=/ap/20040428/ ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_flag
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Steven Francis Murphy
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 12:41 pm:   

You know, I'm wondering if the CPA isn't following the Germany example too closely. There was the DeBathification program which they are now turning 180 on. Then there is this silliness with the flag.

What is that they said about Nero while Rome burned? Really think the civilians over there need to get their priorities straight.

S. F. Murphy
http://sfmurphy.journalspace.com
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ellen
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 03:09 pm:   

Thanks.
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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:58 pm:   

Another interesting article giving some strong hints on just how mis-planned this war was:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040429/ap_on_re_us/iraq_stre tched_thin&cid=519&ncid=1480
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Brendan
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 12:00 am:   

As an aside:

I like Bush's quote from yesterday "More of Falluja is returning to normal . . ." as black smoke pours from homes and 500 and 1000 pound bombs are dropped...

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T Andrews
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 06:44 am:   

Bush missed his true calling. He should be writing alternate histories. Or fantasy.
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Jeremy Lassen
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 10:13 am:   

Does Bush's disconnect from reality differ all that much from the Former Iraqi Minister of Propaganda? Of course! Bush BELIEVES the shit he's spouting. AT least the Iraqi guy knew it was bullshit.

-jl
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Bob the Triumphant Conqueror of the Pitiful American Agressors
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 12:42 pm:   

So, whatever did happen to Baghdad Bob, anyways....
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 01:26 pm:   

He doing drive-time radio in Phoenix....He loves the climate.
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Brendan
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 11:27 pm:   

A good piece by Krugman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/30/opinion/30KRUG.html
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Brendan
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 03:33 am:   

Another telling article on Falluja:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1206705,00.html
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Brendan
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 01:55 pm:   

More on how out of touch the administration is.

It turns out Wolfowitz has no idea how many US soldiers have died in Iraq.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2540530

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