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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 08:35 am:   

SCIFI.com has this note posted on the SCIFICTION homepage:

"As of Friday, June 15, 2007, SCI FICTION will no longer be availabe on SCIFI.COM. SCIFI.COM would like to thank all those who contributed and those who read the short stories over the past few years."
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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 08:56 am:   

On a completely unrelated note, there's a software called HTTrack Website Copier (http://www.httrack.com/) that allows you to archive websites on your own computer.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 09:32 am:   

Thanks JJA for the news.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 11:17 am:   

Yeah, while I wish that it were still around I appreciate that it was around for as long as it was.
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Jason D. Wittman
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 01:05 pm:   

It was to SCIFICTION that I made my first major sale. Thank you very much, Ellen, for that.

Jason
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Richard Parks
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   

It can't be costing them much of anything in space on the server. I confess I just don't understand those guys.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 04:45 pm:   

Aha! Someone posted a cryptic message on my personal message board and I had no idea what he/she was referring to.
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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   

On Boing Boing, Cory Doctorow posted this note from Craig Engler of SCIFI:

"Just a quick response to your note about the Sci Fiction archive. The hosting costs are not an issue but there are rights issues around various stories that crop up from time to time. Given how few people visit the Sci Fiction archive it makes more sense to remove it rather than have someone continue to track the rights to all the stories year after year. For instance, although zillions of people may link to Jury Service, in May we recorded only 48 complete visits to it (by that I mean visits to all 4 HTML pages of the story). And for the record we are not using nuclear weapons on Sci Fiction -- one of our coders will gently remove the files from the server."

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/12/scificom_is_going_to.html
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 05:15 pm:   

I'm glad that an explanation was provided.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 06:18 pm:   

Yep. I just saw that.

I know of an author who recently asked that her stories be removed because they're going to be in a collection. While the site was still active, we'd remove the story for a few months then put it back up. Obviously with no one actually working in the fiction area now, it makes more sense to delete the entire archive now than have to deal with removals on a case by case basis.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 06:24 pm:   

What's truly odd is that a few people seem to think that I have some kind of power in the situation and that I'm to blame for the archives being removed.
This is that then cryptic message I received on my website this morning:


spincycle

Message:


So, you're letting the archives disappear?


******* BRILLIANT.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 06:38 pm:   

There's no shortage of ignorant folk who become angry.
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Eric Marin
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 03:22 pm:   

Have any online 'zines offered to host the archives? Depending on space and cost, I might be able to host it with Lone Star Stories. The immediate stumbling block would involve addressing the rights issues, though.
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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 06:17 pm:   

A number of people have pointed out to me that the entire site is also archived on The Wayback Machine, here:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 09:01 pm:   

Eric,
They've had many offers but NBC does not have the rights to distribute the archives to a third party. If someone wants to contact every author to ask their permission you might possibly be able to do it. Otherwise not.
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Eric Marin
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 10:28 pm:   

Thanks for the information, John. I'd never looked at that site until today. Very cool.

Thanks as well for the rights clarification, Ellen. Does ABC own the SCIFICTION name and logo? Those would be needed for a "live" archive, even if someone managed to convince all of the authors to permit their work to be rearchived.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 12:26 pm:   

Eric,
Yes, I would think NBC owns the name and logo. Don't know for sure, but it seems highly likely.
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Eric Marin
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 06:50 pm:   

Thank you, Ellen. I may put on my lawyer hat and make an inquiry to see what sort of response I get.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 07:57 am:   

Oddly enough it's still available.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 08:34 am:   

I know....ssssh. Don't tell anyone.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 09:35 am:   

No problem. No one listens to me and my stories of cat heat anyway :-)
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Frank Dreier
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   

Is there any movement by authors to host their own stories from the site? Robert Reed's website will be putting up his (probably sometime next week), but I haven't heard if anyone else is planning to.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 02:25 pm:   

No one has mentioned it to me, but there's no reason they would ;-0
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Jason Sanford
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 06:33 am:   

Ellen: I thought you'd be interested to know that while the main page of SCIFICTION is history, the archive page is still up at http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/archive.html
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 12:30 pm:   

Um, Jason look at the posts a few lines above what you've just posted.
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Jason Sanford
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 05:17 pm:   

I know. I read all the posts. Just didn't know if you and others knew a central list of the stories could still be accessed without going through that wayback machine link. Apologies if I was saying what everyone already knew.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 10:23 am:   

We were not talking about the wayback link but the direct url to the stories:


"Oddly enough it's still available."

"I know....ssssh. Don't tell anyone."
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Jason Sanford
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 06:02 pm:   

Oops. I'm a dunce. My bad.
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Byron Bailey
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 07:31 pm:   

Yes, you are very bad for letting me in on this wonderful secret that everyone else seems to be trying to keep from me. So that's what all of the whispering was about. I was beginning to think it was about me.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 10:58 pm:   

:-)

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