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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 08:41 pm:   

I'm done! I emailed the mss to my editor at Del Rey. It should be out in March 2008.
It's science fiction, fantasy, and dark fantasy. No theme.

Here is the Table of Contents:

Introduction Ellen Datlow

The Elephant Ironclads Jason Stoddard

Ardent Clouds Lucy Sussex

Gather Christopher Rowe

Sonny Liston Takes the Fall Elizabeth Bear

All Washed Up While Looking for a Better World Carol Emshwiller

Special Economics Maureen McHugh

Aka Saint Marks Place Richard Bowes

The Goosle Margo Lanagan

Shira Lavie Tidhar

The Passion of Azazel Barry N. Malzberg

The Lagerstätte Laird Barron

Gladiolus Exposed Anna Tambour

Daltharee Jeffrey Ford

Jimmy Pat Cadigan

Prisoners of the Action Paul McAuley and Kim Newman
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 07:18 am:   

I'll miss the good Shephard but good luck regardless.

Will this antho ever be named :-)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 08:11 am:   

Hopefully, once my in-house editor reads the story and seems my suggested titles, we'll figure out something :-)
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 09:03 am:   

Not to mention the Lanagan story! Great line-up, looking forward to it.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:26 pm:   

Margo's story is very very dark. (even moreso than usual).
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 01:41 pm:   

One last story has been added between the Bear and the Emshwiller:

"North American Lake Monsters" by Nathan Ballingrud.
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PM
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 02:13 pm:   

Any feedback on the name?
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 05:58 pm:   

Not sure yet but it will likely be The Del Rey Book of....something :-)
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PM
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 06:47 pm:   

Ask Stephen King :-)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 08:22 pm:   

For a title?
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PM
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 09:06 pm:   

It's a veiled reference to this:

20034042%2C00.html,http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034042,00.html

and a joke.

I just wouldn't want to offend the Del Rey folk by saying something along the lines of

"The Del Rey Book of Not Your Father's Star Trek Novelizations" :-)

But Stephen King might have a real market winning title :-)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 10:07 pm:   

The url doesn't go to where you want it to, I'm afraid. I can't access it ;-)
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PM
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 10:18 pm:   

Something weird happens when I try to paste or type the link. It's inserting 20034042%2C00.html, at the beginning.

Ignore this part and copy from http: to the rest of the line into a new browser window. Sorry for the hassle.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 07:16 am:   

Nice piece. Here's an easier way to get to the article:
http://tinyurl.com/2rb3hg
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Ben Seeberger
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 07:49 am:   

Ha. So, you can't tell a book by its cover, but having a good one sure helps.

Great article.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 09:45 am:   

Unfortunately, "good" as in the context of cover may be in the eye of the beholder. I've argued with my publishers over cover art and often lost--when I have (in the hc of Ruby Slippers, Golden Tears for example)...the title didn't sell as well as expected so when the paperback was designed the publisher went back to Tom Canty as per my and Terri's wishes.

Terri and I hated the cover of Swan Sister and the book didn't do as well as A Wolf at the Door.

I loved the original cover of Twists of the Tale but the book didn't sell very well in its first publication. It might have been because the book was orphaned multiple times and that the book was first published in mass market so didn't get as many reviews as it needed to be brought to the attention of the reading public.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:03 am:   

I think the cover/title/bookflap are more important when the potential buyer is unfamiliar with the work.

But there is the ownership issue where sometimes one just hates looking at certain covers. Those are situations where one wishes that the art had been replaced with say a solid color. And just turns the book over.

But I say that if Stephen King will name your anthology why not? :-)

As far as the mass market paperbacks go my theory is that libraries don't usually buy them. As you say though, if the book doesn't get reviewed that doesn't help either...
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Christopher Barzak
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:40 am:   

And thanks to King, the book's selling rate is around 5,900 a few minutes ago, with lots of messages from customers saying they bought it because of the King recommendation. He was sure right about that cover. Not much going on there to make a reader go, hmmm what's that, at all.

Why do publishers do that?

Also, I disagree with the titling thing King argues over. I think a title like "Fieldwork" can be fine, but that's only if there's a really evocative cover to accompany it, and a bang-up job of describing and selling the book on the flap/back cover.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 04:12 pm:   

Oh gawds, I just looked at the cover. No WONDER no one bought it. It really evokes nothing.
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Christopher Barzak
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 08:04 pm:   

Yeah, it definitely ranks up in the top ten books with horrible covers. I think I would've cried if I were the author. Until Stephen King reviewed it, of course. Then I wouldn't care at all. :-)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 08:18 pm:   

I gather you're not coming to town till Thursday after all...
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Ben Seeberger
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 09:25 pm:   

I rarely buy books because of the cover, bookflap, or synopsis. If I buy a book, it's because I know the author and trust the author, or someone I respect recommended the author.

Although with a good cover, I will pick up a book and read the back, and keep it in mind for a later time.

Strangely, authorial recommendations on book covers do nothing for me anymore, though they used to mean a lot. Whether it's good or bad, my initial reaction is recommendations are overdone and contrived.

As to the discussion, if I were an editor and I needed to name an anthology of such varied authors, I would have a hard time. Is there usually a system of naming conventions for anthologies (thematically), random/generic/fancy titles, or shoot-and-miss hook titles?
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Christopher Barzak
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 12:02 am:   

Nope, not in till Thursday. Staying a few days more than planned rather than coming in early. I had scheduled an interview at Kent State to pick up classes there next fall too, and had to do that today. I'll be in Thursday afternoon.
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 07:46 am:   

Hi, Ellen! That's great news about Nathan Ballingrud's story being included. I really love Nathan's stuff, so you've just reeled in another customer!
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:05 am:   

Ben,
There really isn't a system...obviously you try to hook the reader (especially the casual browser) with a catchy title but it's really hard when the antho is non-thematic and contains sf/f (and a wee bit of horror but we figure that can be lumped in with the "fantasy"). You don't want something that sounds too much like sf or you'll turn off the fantasy readers. And vice versa with a title that sounds too like a fantasy title...so you see the problem.

Nice to hear from you Andy... it's very much a Shepardian story but less downbeat.;-)
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:18 pm:   

It's a shame the real Shepard couldn't come out and play...

So should we try to pony up some more names?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:54 pm:   

Is that a word? Shepardian? If I so, I prefer Shepardesque...
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:13 pm:   

I'll have to note that under appropriate terms :-)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:37 pm:   

Ok Ok. Shepardesque it is. :-)
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:39 pm:   

Brainstorm!

Would you (and Lucius) be interested in adding a Shepard story to the antho?
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 06:15 am:   

Since we're campaigning for the inclusion of our favorite authors, how 'bout adding some VanderMeer or Conrad Williams? :-)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

I was holding Nathan's story since BEFORE the antho was due, I just needed the ok from my editor because the book came in at 119,500 words or so. It's now 125,000 words-quite long enough ;-).
It's done.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 07:33 am:   

All you have to do is say the word and any number of folk will appear to "help you" edit your book :-)

Who am I trying to kid? You don't have to say anything at all! :-)
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

The antho lineup, as is, looks good!
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:45 am:   

PM,
I know I know ;-) (I can't do those picture smileys without five extra steps)

Kelly,
I'm happy with it. I of course, would have loved another Lucius story--but it was not to be. Next time.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:51 am:   

The smiley is created by typing a : and a ) with no space between the : and the ) :-)

And make no mistake I too will purchase this untitled, unthemed, and as of yet unseen Del Rey antho once that chance is provided...
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:20 am:   

:-)

Son of a gun...I was using the extra - which you need in email...thank you and glad you're planning on buying The Del Rey Book of....
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PM
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 11:20 am:   

Thought it was going to be The Celestial Automat.

I'll miss your old skool smileys...
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 11:40 am:   

Well, that won't work: The Del Rey Book of The Celestial Automat?
Here you go: :-) :-)
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PM
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 12:07 pm:   

The Del Rey Book of Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Dark Fantasy.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 10:42 pm:   

Looks like it's gonna be The Del Rey Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

Yes it is. And it's coming out in June.

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