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Vylar Kaftan
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 05:43 pm:   

I'm really sad to hear that SCI FICTION is coming to an end. I keep hoping it's not true. :-(
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 06:18 pm:   

Hi Vy,
I already responded to your private message on the SCIFI.COM Bb but I'm afraid it is. On to my next editing job--whatever it is. Anyone like to start a magazine for me to edit :-)
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Lois Tilton
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 06:34 pm:   

Ellen, I am just so sorry!

LT
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Eric Marin
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 06:34 pm:   

I'm very sorry to hear about SCI FICTION as well, Ellen.

I know you'll find an excellent publication to edit, and I hope you find it quickly.

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jpaulhaines
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 06:38 pm:   

Yeah, you know, for some reason, I don't think Ellen is going to be out of work for too long.

If you are, Ellen, then something is wrong with this genre. Quality doesn't have a better friend than you.

Joseph Paul Haines
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Melissa Mead
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 06:48 pm:   

Oh no! That just doesn't make any sense-it's one of the best out there!

I hope you find another magazine soon. One thing's for sure-it will be good.
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M.K. Hobson
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 06:54 pm:   

Ellen, I just heard about this, and I'm absolutely sick! Even though I'm sure you'll go on to bigger and better things, it's still a terrible shame.

Mary Hobson
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 06:55 pm:   

Thanks all of you.
Joseph, not to be overly pessimistic but I was out of work for a year and a half between OMNI and SCIFICTION (making no money from Event Horizon). But for some reason I'm way less bummed out than when OMNI folded. Maybe because once it happens you're always paranoid that it'll happen again. There is NO such thing as job security unless you're self-employed.
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Ray Vukcevich
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:02 pm:   

Rats. I'm really sorry to hear this.
But I'll be watching for your next gig!

Ray
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Marguerite
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:09 pm:   

Crap, Ellen. I was hoping someday to not be rejected by you. :-)

Seriously, this is a blow. Please let us know the moment you get into a new gig.
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Matt Hughes
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:16 pm:   

Hell, Ellen, find yourself an angel and set up your own small press. Change the world.

Matt Hughes
Black Brillion now in paperback
The Gist Hunter & Other Stories now in stores
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:18 pm:   

Sniff. Believe me, when I get a new job everyone will know!

Matt, ugh. I don't want to be a publisher--I just want to edit short fiction in peace :-) But I'm looking for a mogul into sf/f/h who would just love to create a magazine just for me, yes indeedy.
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Michael Kelly
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:32 pm:   

Ellen,

Very sorry to hear this news. You did wonderful work at Sci Fiction. I'm sure you'll be announcing your furure plans in no time. Thanks for all your hard work.
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Jonathan
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:33 pm:   

Oh my god. That's awful news. I'm really, really sorry to hear it. Hope something wonderful shows up fast.
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Melissa Mead
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:44 pm:   

When you find something, you'll have readers!

BTW, thank you for the rejection with the note on it. It meant a lot.
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Cat Sparks
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:48 pm:   

Hey Ellen,

really sorry to hear this news.
Commiserations from Down Under...

Cheers, Cat
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JeremyT
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:53 pm:   

I'll miss Scifiction, but considering Scifiction is you, Ellen, wherever you go, you'll have me as a reader.
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Terry Bramlett
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:56 pm:   

Damn!
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 07:57 pm:   

hey ellen, i'm sorry to hear the news.

b.
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Byron Bailey
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:00 pm:   

With my current financial resources, I would have never been able to read such classics as "Ugly Chickens," "The Screwfly Solution" "The Sea as Wet as Wet Can Be" "The Transcendant Tigers" and so many others without SCIFICTION. And you've brought so many great originals like "And the Dish Ran Away with the Spoon," "Gliders Though they Be," "The Emperor of Ice Cream" and many many more to me. You did great work, Ellen. You've made a big difference in the quality of my life. All I can say is that it sickens me that it has to end.

I wish you the best of luck.
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Tribeless
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:00 pm:   

I've not been around much lately, so have only just caught up with this. I'm really gutted Ellen, not only for you, but for sci fi writing in general. That was a major market, and a place I always went to as a reader to experience the best in the field.

I see no reasons posted for them making this decision, and would be interested to know?

(And I don't think is off taste for me to state that I thought Sci-Fiction was the ONLY worthwhile part of Scifi.com. There's no other reason for me to go there).
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Stephen Dedman
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:05 pm:   

AARGH!!!

Commiserations from this side of Australia too, and hope you find another short fiction editing job soon, Ellen - and not just for your sake. This is terrible news for all sf readers and writers!
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Lou Antonelli
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:09 pm:   

Sorry to hear about it - it always sucks to be unemployed. But you're a good cat person - I'm sure you'll land on your feet, too!
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Tribeless
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:11 pm:   

Actually, I've just sent an email to Scifi.com telling them what I think of their decision to axe Fiction, and that I would not be visiting their site anymore. I know, snarky, but it's how I feel. There is no further reason for me to visit their site.

If you're feeling annoyed also, at least let the powers that be know.
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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:11 pm:   

I expressed my condolences via email, but I feel the need to do so publicly too. This sucks!
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Tom Barlow
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:22 pm:   

Ditto on the sadness at the loss of the site. Best of luck finding another, better slot.
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Jason Erik Lundberg
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:28 pm:   

I'll add my commiserations. This totally totally sucks, Ellen. SciFiction led the pack in quality online fiction, and I'm very sorry to see it go.

But you're too good an editor to stay out of work for very long. Here's hoping some benefactor gets in touch with you very soon.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:29 pm:   

Wow, this is really shitty news. I'm so sorry to hear it. I'll reiterate what others have already said: you're way too good to be out of work for long. And anyway, you just can't be, because you're my main supplier of short story goodness.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:35 pm:   

Thanks so much for your support everyone.

Tribeless,
There really are no special reasons other than the obvious. It didn't bring in money. No nefarious reasons. Really what you see is what you get.
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Robert Hoge
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:44 pm:   

It's a sad and sucky decision, Ellen. Personally, I love reading the stories on SciFiction - it always provided quality material.

I can also speak about how much of a difference you made to the Clarion South class of 2005. Your knowledge, enthusiasm and sheer love of storytelling left a real mark on them. We'd have you back anytime!

Whatever you tackle next, I know you'll do it with energy and class!

Robert
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Mary Robinette Kowal
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:45 pm:   

Oh, I'm so sad, for me, for you, for SF in general. Dang. I wish I could offer you a job.
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Thomas R.
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:53 pm:   

Dang. I'll admit I lost track of reading this year, but you published some great stuff. It's much appreciated and a shame to be losing it.
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jack skillingstead
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 09:04 pm:   

Very sorry to hear this, Ellen. Goodluck with whatever your future brings. SCI FICTION was wonderful.
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Erin Hartshorn
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 09:05 pm:   

I knew it brought in no money, but SCI FICTION gave them such good will in the community. It's a shame to see it go.

I hope you find a new position soon, Ellen.
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gabe chouinard
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 09:36 pm:   

Oh my god, this is so depressing.

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Tim Pratt
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 09:56 pm:   

I'm so sorry, Ellen. This is so depressing. It's a great site, one of my weekly must-reads.

Will the archives remain online, at least?
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:27 pm:   

Hi Tim,
Yes, the archived material (at least all the originals) will be up for a year. I'll have to keep track to make sure the classics for which we have temporary rights are taken down when they're supposed to.
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John Schoffstall
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   

This is highly sad and disturbing. As others have said, SCIFICTION was the best part of Scifi.com. Besides publishing current fiction, it provided an archive of some of the best sff of past decades. Many times I've sent someone a link to one of the archive stories as an example of this or that idea or technique. Like Tim, I hope the archives, at least, will remain.

Ellen, I'm sure you'll find something in the field, but you were doing a great job at SCIFICTION and it's a damn shame this happened.
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Richard Parks
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:35 pm:   

Well... dammit. Just dammit.
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Chris Dodson
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:47 pm:   

Goddamn . . . over the past half-decade SCIFICTION has become my favorite source for short SF/F; I'm truly, truly sorry to see it go.

Ellen, thank you for all the good stories, and good luck in your future endeavours.
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Liz
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:48 pm:   

Very sorry to hear it, Ellen.
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Dave Schwartz
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:37 pm:   

This is incredibly upsetting. You've done such great work there, Ellen. I hope something else comes along quickly.
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John Picacio
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:43 pm:   

Hi, Ellen --

Just like everyone else here, I'm very, very sad to hear this news and whichever venue gets you next will be EXTREMELY fortunate.
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Michael Jasper
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 02:31 am:   

Crap. Take care, Ellen!
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Chris Roberson
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 05:48 am:   

Already looking forward to your next venture, Ellen!
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Beth
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 05:49 am:   

Oh bloody hell. Ellen, I'm so sorry to hear about SCI FICTION ending -- you created one damned fine publication. I can only hope you find that rich mogul to create a new magazine for you to edit.
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James Trimarco
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 06:22 am:   

Hi Ellen,

I was shocked to hear this on the CW email list, although earlier that day I had mused to myself along the lines of "How long are those TV people going to keep funding the best short SF site in the biz?" And later that day, I heard.

Awful news but you'll find your mogul.

James T
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Ken Scholes
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 06:25 am:   

This is such terrible news, Ellen. I'm so sorry.

I know you'll land well, but I just hate to see this happen. You've done an amazing job with SCI FICTION, just like you did with the others before and just like you'll do with the next one.

Hang in there! You've got a lot of people rooting for you!




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paul tremblay
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 06:27 am:   

Like everyone else, very sorry to hear the news, Ellen.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 06:45 am:   

Thanks, for all your support!

I'm off to talk to Garden State Horror Writers today.
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AliceB
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 07:11 am:   

Jeez, Ellen. This really sucks. I'm so sorry.
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Mark Siegal
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 07:23 am:   

Another great market gone. How sad and disappointing.

Looking forward to reading whatever you edit next, Ellen.
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Greg van Eekhout
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 07:47 am:   

Thanks for all the hard work you put into SCI FICTION, Ellen. You contributed something unique and of great value to the field, and I look forward to seeing where you next make your mark. Take care.
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tina
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 07:48 am:   

Likewise very sorry to hear this and looking forward to whatever comes next.
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andres
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 08:06 am:   

Let me make a little of wishful thinking...

How about this?Ellen Datlow as fiction editor of "Amazon science fiction online",which will publish one story per week,charging us $1 to bought that story...
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Chris Furst
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 09:05 am:   

Say it ain't so, Ellen! Sci Fiction was the best part of SciFi.com. I hope you can find a patron with deep pockets and continue your great work.

Chris Furst
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Rajan
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 09:15 am:   

I'm very sorry to hear this as well. It was a place I knew I could find quality.

Best of luck to you in finding your next position. I know a lot of people will follow you there.
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Steven Francis Murphy
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 09:48 am:   

Ellen, it is a damned shame. It makes one wonder why they even bother to call it the "Sci-fi" channel anymore, there is so little SF content there outside of Friday night.

I have no doubt you'll come up on top of things though.

Perhaps it will be a blessing in disguise at the end of the day and something better short fiction wise will come of it.

That is my hope.

Good luck. I look forward to future rejection letters, and perhaps an acceptance letter, someday, whereever you land.

Respects,
Steven Francis Murphy
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Vylar Kaftan
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 11:45 am:   

I've sent a letter to feedback@scifi.com expressing my disappointment at the decision, and requesting that they bring SCI FICTION back.

I encourage others to do the same. They do read the letters.

A well-reasoned argument is great, but even if you only have time to write two sentences, every letter is better than nothing.

I don't know if anything will change, but there's always hope--and always a chance.
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Gardner Dozois
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 11:54 am:   

I agree with Vylar--everybody who posted here should send a letter of protest to feedback@scifi.com. It's unlikely to make them change their minds, unfortunately, but it's at least worth a try.

Sorry to see SCI FICTION go; it's a grave loss to the whole field.
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Jason D. Wittman
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   

I will always have a soft spot in my heart for SCIFICTION (and you, Ellen), as I made my first major sale there. I'm sure you'll land on your feet. SCIFI.COM is losing something great here.

The folks at NBC Universal probably looked at the 20 cents a word SCIFICTION was paying and, well...

Jason
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Nick Mamatas
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 02:03 pm:   

Rough nut; sorry to hear.

Lethem just got $500,000 for no reason; he should start a magazine for you to edit.
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Andy Wolverton
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 02:16 pm:   

Just sent my letter of protest to SCIFI.COM. It's a damn shame, Ellen. I can't tell you what those stories have meant to me and many of my friends. I know we'll hear from you soon.
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Rachel McGonagill
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 02:44 pm:   

Real sorry to hear this, Ellen. Hope you find something else again soon.
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Dario Ciriello
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 02:44 pm:   

Ellen, so very sorry to hear this. SCIFICTION was a tremendous venue and you published so much wonderful work over the years: thank you. I don't doubt that it'll turn out well in the end, and that we'll see you editing great stories again -- perhaps in a print magazine this time, at least until we get e-paper.

If Paul Allen is reading this thread, this could be his chance to snap up one of the most acclaimed editors in the field for a new venture! In any case, here's wishing you all the very best for the future.

Dario
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 03:00 pm:   

Nick M: I wouldn't begrudge Jonathan L his money--but I'd like to win Lotto (just bought $5 worth of tix)--I only think of it when I'm broke --isn't that the way?


Dario: Oh yes, Paul Allen where ARE YOU?????give me a magazine to edit--and while you're at it, give Gardner one too!!!!
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M.K. Hobson
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 03:36 pm:   

I think the Paul Allen idea isn't all that far off base! Earlier today, I emailed Greg Bear, chair of the Museum of Science Fiction, to suggest the idea of the museum launching a co-branded fiction magazine with Ellen at the helm. I think it would be an awesome value-add for museum members!

Details here: http://bricoleur.livejournal.com/283210.htm
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M.K. Hobson
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 03:38 pm:   

Oops, messed up the link:

http://bricoleur.livejournal.com/283210.html

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curious
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 03:57 pm:   

What would be considered a reasonable amount of money needed to start a monthly fiction/horror magazine, anyway?
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 04:25 pm:   

curious.

Beats me, I'm not a finance person. I just do the editing :-) I could figure out the editorial costs but not the rest.

Thanks Mary. Who knows? Crazier things have happened.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 04:51 pm:   

Btw, people have asked and I don't think I responded here but the archives will remain up for at least a year (except for those classics for which we only have limited rights).
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jeff ford
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 06:03 pm:   

Ellen: I'm going to request that they take all of my stories down that have already been up for a year.
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Patrick Swenson
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 08:13 pm:   

Sad now. :-(

Just last week I gave my high school SF class students a SF tour of the web, and SCI FICTION was at the top of the list. They were excited to see so much great SF (classics and new), recognizing some of the names we've read already. Now I'll have to let them know the sad truth.

I think the SF Museum/Magazine thing is a great idea. I'll put in my 2 cents worth to the powers that be... It'd be a drop in the bucket for Paul Allen compared to owning the Seahawks and such.
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Oliver Dale
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 08:28 pm:   

Sad news, Ellen. Best of luck.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 09:18 pm:   

Jeff,
I've emailed you about why I'd prefer you didn't for awhile (and you got back to me and agreed not to)--for those reading :-)

Thanks Patrick and Oliver.
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Vera Nazarian
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 09:34 pm:   

Ellen,

I am so very sorry to hear about the end of SCI FICTION. What a stupid and sad thing to happen.

But we all know and exepct you to be up and editing some other fine publication soon. :-)

Best of luck and thanks for all your hard work!

One of these days I'll sell something to you. :-)
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Eugie Foster
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 10:41 pm:   

When I heard the news, I couldn't believe it. This is a terrible day for the science fiction community. SCI FICTION has given us some truly wonderful stories. Ellen, I'm more saddened about this than I can express. I hope you find another editorial position suitable for your incredible talent and ability very soon.
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Leslie Howle
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 11:00 pm:   

Hi Ellen;

Since our conversation about the possibility of the SF Museum website adding a fiction magazine component I've broached the subject with a few people I work with at SFM. We agree that we would need to find a corporate sponsor to partner with before we could even bring it up or make a case for it. We don't have the budget to even consider it otherwise. I'm going to do some research and see if we can come up with a good list of targets to approach. Doesn't hurt to try, and it's so worth the effort.
Let me know if you hear any good ideas and hang in there - something better is bound to be coming round the bend!

Cheers;

Leslie
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Russell B. Farr
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 01:21 am:   

Hi Ellen,

Saddened to hear the news, like so many others. SCI FICTION led the way in online publishing and the work you've done with it has been more than impressive. This loss will leave a big damn void.

Russell

P.S. I have to ask, does Howard get to add SCI FICTION to his list of scalps?
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Anne S
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 02:18 am:   

Sorry to hear the news Ellen. Good luck in finding the editing job of your dreams in the near future.
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ET
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 03:18 am:   

Hi. I'd like to chime in with the others and say it's a sad day. I hope you find another editing job, and the SF Museum idea sounds nice. Alternatively, maybe someone could bring back Amazing Stories for the bazillionth time and have you edit it.
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Leonard J. Sidiski
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 04:19 am:   

Hi Ellen.

Just joining the chorus here in lamenting the untimely death of SCI FICTION. It was certainly one of the grooviest things here on the web. The world is a poorer place for its passing. If I ever win the lottery I'll buy a magazine for you to edit.

Good luck with whatever your next endeavour is. Keep us posted!

--LSid
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Nancy Jane Moore
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 06:30 am:   

I don't have anything significant to add to what everyone else said, but as both a writer and a reader, I want to express my own personal "damn."

Nancy
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Patrick Nielsen Hayden
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 06:56 am:   

Like everyone else I'm sorry to see Sci Fiction go. There aren't enough good venues for short SF, and Ellen's eye for quality is fantastic.

I do want to remark on the poster who said they wrote to scifi.com to say they "would not be visiting their site anymore...There is no further reason for me to visit their site." No doubt this is an accurate and honest expression of the poster's feelings, but it's about the worst possible argument to make to the people in charge of scifi.com. All it does is confirm them in their suspicion that they've been giving a freebie to people who are never going to care about any of their other products; that Sci Fiction was, in fact, useless to their other goals.

There's probably little to no chance that scifi.com will ever reconsider their decision anyway, but this sort of approach is actively damaging to what microscopic chance may still exist.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 08:42 am:   

Leslie,
We can always hope someone comes up with funding :-)
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John Klima
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 08:44 am:   

*sigh*

There's nothing new I can add. No new outrage, no new condolences.

This sucks, plain and simple.

Best of luck Ellen, I'm very sad to see this go.

JK
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Eugene Myers
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 09:45 am:   

Like everyone else I'm sorry to hear about this, Ellen. I wish SciFi had tried some compromises--lowering pay rates or frequency of publishing, or trying to make SciFiction a subscription service--before cutting it off completely. However I might have disliked their programming and business choices over the years, while supporting their rare successes, I always admired their support of sf/fantasy literature and authors. Unfortunately the corporate machine is more interested in the bottom line these days. In any event, I'll continue to hope for the best for you, SciFiction, and the field in general; maybe a miracle *can* happen. And I'll let SciFi know how unfortunate their decision is and that I hope they reconsider. Hang in there!
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Tim Akers
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 10:18 am:   

Coming in late, but I'm really sorry to hear this, Ellen. It was always a first read every week for me. Things like this happen, it just makes me tired.
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bluejack
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 01:45 pm:   

First FarScape and now this. The SciFi channel sucks.

I understand the "no revenue" thing from a business perspective, but from a PR perspective, SciFiction was probably the most effective money the SciFi channel could have spent on generating good will in the community.

I certainly took every opportunity to praise SciFiction, not only for the great new stuff you were publishing, Ellen, but for the tremendous service of creating the fabulous archive of classic stories.

In general, I like the idea of the Science Fiction Museum picking up the concept, but I imagine the "no revenue" model will be even more of a problem for them, since they don't have a set of highly profitable cable channels to fund the effort. Paul Allen is rich, sure, but here in Seattle he has the reputation of being quite miserly with his capital. Loves to use it as leverage, not so fond of actually spending it.

Anyway, I'll make my feelings known to SciFi.com, and expect you'll find a new opportunity before long, Ellen.

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bluejack
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 02:00 pm:   

One additional point I made in my email to SciFi.com is that I am particularly disappointed they didn't experiment with ways of monetizing SciFiction before shutting it down completely.

I have to admit, I was always a little surprised that a bland conglomerate like NBC Universal (owned by GE and Vivendi) would support something like SciFiction, but I figured the chain of ownership was so attenuated that the most banal of corporate owners probably never drilled down the financial spreadsheet far enough to find SciFiction. I guess some bean counter finally did.

Nonetheless, I would expect that the first step would be to determine whether it might be possible to turn a profit before shutting it down completely.

On the toher hand, this phrase from their little announcement is kind of intriguing: "As SCIFI.COM gears up to expand with exciting new ventures utilizing the newest technology..."

It's a kind of: "Out with the old, in with the new" statement, and I'm curious as to whether there is anything new in the works. There are a lot of new technologies in the pipeline for text distribution, and in my happy fantasies, I kind of hope they're planning some sort of relaunch of SciFiction utilizing drm to strive for a profitable publishing venture.

But probably they just mean crappy cell phone games or something.
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Lee Battersby
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 03:00 pm:   

Just want to add my voice to the throng: it's a disgraceful decision, and chops a large part of the short fiction market off at the head. I think there are very few people about whom we could say this with a straight face, but this genre needs you, Ellen. From a purely selfish standpoint, I hope something has your name against the 'editor' field really soon. And from the friendly angle, I hope the decision doesn't leave you in any sort of tenuous position. If there's help we can offer you, don't hesitate to ask.

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Jay Caselberg
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 05:01 pm:   

Ellen, I'm gobsmacked.
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Ben Payne
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 06:04 pm:   

Hi Ellen,

very sorry to hear that. SciFiction has played a huge part in helping readers recognise that electronic publishing can provide quality fiction that is up there with anything in print. I believe it will be long remembered for the part it has played in the genre (not to mention the more immediate and no less commendable fact that it provided us with a reliable source of excellent fiction).

Here's hoping you land on your feet and find yourself at the helm of another publication soon.

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AT
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 08:13 pm:   

Just saw this. So sorry on so many levels. Writing letters, but is there something that can be done on a coordinated level that would be constructive?
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 08:46 pm:   

Just saw this as well. Bloody hell indeed. I'll post something lengthier and more scathing to whomever reads the feedback to this tavestry. Talk about killing the golden goose...

Best of luck, Ellen.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 09:02 pm:   

Bluejack,
To be accurate. Vivendi (Barry Diller)owned Universal and it was sold to NBC a year ago. NBC, which is owned by GE now is called NBC-Universal and the channels belonging to it are NBC, USA Network, and the SCI Fi Channel.

Regarding Paul Allen. I wouldn't expect him to fund something for nothing. Webzines will make money some time in the future. Funding a new print magazine of sf/f/h would make more sense financially. Hey, if he's up for it, I'm ready to roll :-)
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David Marshall
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 10:30 pm:   

And in the dark of night, the dreaded Akkow-tanz did perform their unspeakable rites. Many beans were plundered from the fields to be counted, for such acts were pleasing unto their foul Gods.

(Especially when so many beans were endlessly counted, instead of being wasted by (gasp!) some starving peasant who might actually (shudder!) eat the beans.)

And the Akkow-tanz did judge that the maiden Syfydotcom should be sacrificed immediately, for she had failed to produce her share of beans to be counted, and she had failed to give birth to the expected prophet.
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Michael Libling
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 07:12 am:   

Been out of the loop for awhile, Ellen, so I was surprised and disappointed to hear the news. I had always assumed (naively, I realize), that the powers that be at the SF Channel recognized the fundamental role the printed word has played in their evolution and were happy to give it rein by way of SciFiction. Then again, the bottom line is always business. No matter how much money a corporation may make, it is never enough. I assume SciFiction is one of many cost-cutting measures. Very disappointing. At the same time, I have no doubt your talents will soon be put to good use at an equally impressive venue. As much I will miss SciFiction, I look forward to that, as well. Good luck, Ellen. Thanks for everything.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 07:30 am:   

Thanks, Michael.
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Noosh
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 08:22 am:   

Good luck Ellen, from a great admirer of the work you've done.
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Sue
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 10:26 am:   

Ellen, I could always count on finding gems at SciFiction. A sad loss to science fiction readers. I look forward to your next gig.
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bluejack
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 11:17 am:   

Not that it's relevant, but Vivendi does have 20% ownership of NBC Universal; GE has the other 80%. (As of 4 hours ago, anyway.) I assume there are several layers of executive management between SciFi.com and any of those companies, so the bean counters at fault in this unfortunate decision are probably within the NBC organization or below.

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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 01:53 pm:   

Thanks Noosh and Sue.
bluejack--hell, you know a lot more than I did about the corp.
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bluejack
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 11:46 pm:   

I think I've already put forward most of my thoughts here, or on other forums, so this doesn't have anything particularly new... but I do a podcast ( http://overclocked.libsyn.com ) and the current episode is about the end of SciFiction ( http://libsyn.com/media/overclocked/oc_035.mp3 )
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Redjack
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 02:21 am:   

Ms. D,

I'm sorry to see SCIFICTION go. Not just for the obvious selfish reasons of any writer hoping to crack it as a market but because, despite my lack of success there, it was always a pleasure to read the works of those who did make it through.

You did an AMAZING job collecting some of the best stories it's been my pleasure to read and I'm sure that, wherever you land, you will do equally stellar work in that new venue as well.

I don't think SCIFICTION will be appreciated until it's well and truly gone.

Because then it will be too late for those who missed out to partake.

Thanks for six great years.

Geoff Thorne
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 08:04 am:   

Thanks redjack.
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Dave Schwartz
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 08:09 am:   

Geoff said:

>I don't think SCIFICTION will be appreciated until it's well and truly gone.

Actually, we're working on a celebration of SCI FICTION right now, at http://edsfproject.blogspot.com. The details are there, but essentially we're looking for folks to write a few words about one of their favorite stories published at the site. We'd like to have everyone's help. The stories are getting snapped up pretty quickly, so come on by!
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Robert Burke Richardson
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 01:22 pm:   

^The silver-lining for me, and for many of us, I suspect, is that I always knew what a miraculous, fragile bubble SCIFICTION was, and I loved the heck out of it while I had the chance. Wednesdays will never be the same again!
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PM
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 06:13 pm:   

Just wanted to join the chorus of those commiserating with you in the present and wishing you the best in the future.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 08:48 pm:   

Thanks PM. If you haven't emailed your dismay to feedback@scifi.com go for it. They're checking their list and counting it twice.
:-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:02 pm:   

Sorry about this, Ellen. I wish you all the success in the world going forward.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 07:25 am:   

Thank you Josh.
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 10:48 am:   

Well sorry to hear that Ellen...
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Mikal Trimm
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 04:17 pm:   

And I just KNOW I was about to make a sale with you...;p

Whatever you do next, Ellen, it's obvious you have a ready-made audience.

Mikal
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AliceB
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 05:19 pm:   

I wrote to the feedback people at SciFi today. Are they really keeping tabs? (And will it make a difference?)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 07:44 am:   

Hi Mikal,
I know--did you get the form letter I sent? (sniff)
Thanks to you and Stephen.

Alice, yes they are keeping tabs. Will it make a difference? Probably not but thank you anyway.
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Dario Ciriello
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 08:22 am:   

Hey Ellen,

I was sorting through some belongings this last week and found a few old, beloved copies of OMNI that I'd kept over the years (will continue to keep). You know, that was a great magazine. I thought some of the non-fiction was slanted just a little too much toward the starry-eyed optimist, and that IMO was the only thing wrong with the mag: a slight sense of unreality, 60s idealism flush with serious money but not grown up.

Well, we've grown up now, and I note here and there some loose talk ;-) of OMNI returning. Joy! I think it's time, and there's certainly a market need to fill right now. I'd subscribe in a heartbeat. But FWIW the non-fiction side needs to be far more grounded and gritty.

All the best for 2006,
Dario

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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 08:29 am:   

Dario,
At OMNI, the fight between editorial and the publisher was always about just that. If you read it from the beginng to the end of its run I think you'll see that the owner/publisher won. (unfortunately)

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Dario Ciriello
Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 10:42 am:   

Oh! Well, that IS interesting. And yes, I did read it from the beginning, though my interest tailed off toward the end of OMNI's life. One can only stomach so much starry-eyed optimism, after all ;-)

Buon anno,
Dario


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Marc
Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 10:06 pm:   

+ Regarding Paul Allen. I wouldn't expect him to fund something for nothing. Webzines will make money some time in the future. Funding a new print magazine of sf/f/h would make more sense financially.+

Mssrs Malzburg and Resnick would evidently beg to differ.

(In any case, I'm really not sure how one would get the voters of Seattle to subsidize a SF zine, print or electronic. Mr. Allen will stick with Football.)
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 07:48 am:   

Just for everyone's information, the front page of SCIFI.COM has been redesigned. You can still reach SCIFICTION by typing it in under the search function on the bottom of the page, or directly by typing:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/archive.html
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Byron Bailey
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 09:19 am:   

That's so sad. They're not wasting any time in trying to bury SCIFICTION, are they?
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 01:34 pm:   

Well, it's not a surpise--that's what they've done to everything no longer active on the site.

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