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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 04:23 am:   

I hope you'll all come on over to my group once in a while. I assume anyone here will know who I am but a very briefly: I was Fiction Editor of OMNI Magazine and OMNI Internet for about 17 years, then edited the webzine Event Horizon for 1 1/2 years before ending up as Fiction editor for SCIFI.COM --the SCIFICTION area.

Since old websites never die, you can still check out OMNI online (with a bunch of fiction, including Howard Waldrop's "Mr. Goober's Show") at:
http://www.omnimag.com/home_hi.html
and Event Horizon at:
http://www.eventhorizon.com/sfzine/index.html

In addition, I've been editing sf/f/h anthologies over the years including the annual YEAR'S BEST FANTASY AND HORROR with Terri Windling.

I've got a personal website at
http://www.datlow.com
where you can learn more than you perhaps wanted about me and my life.
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 04:30 am:   

I'm up early today (again) because of jetlag. Got home Wednesday night from London after being delayed by my original Tuesday flight's cancellation. So I've been going to bed around 1am and waking up like clockwork at 6am. Not used to it but at least I feel I can get as much done as I can before crashing again....

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Luís
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 04:55 am:   

Hello Ms Datlow, it's great that you have a board here too!

I'm a big fan of your SciFiction site! What goodness do you have in stock for us, aside from Jeff's Ice Cream novelette? I wonder, do you plan to reprint those stories in book form sometime?

Best,
Luís

PS: Your trouble may not be jetlag. Could be the cats. I have this theory about them, and I'm almost sure I'm not crazy. :-)
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Jay C
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:00 am:   

Ellen, welcome to the board. Good to see you with a spot here. Now, you can have either the iguana or the python for decoration. Which would you prefer?
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:03 am:   

Hi Luis,
We've got a March novella by J.R. Dunn called "For Keeps" and a Scott Westerfeld novelette and another Lucius Shepard novella for later in the year.

We've been in neverending negotiations (since June or so) with a publisher to publish two volumes of reprints from the site. Don't know what the hold-up is.

Well yesterday morning, Dinah, the Supermodel (you can see her photos on my site) kept me up with her call for attention. But both mornings I have awakened on 6am on the dot.
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:08 am:   

Ooh James!!
Where do I get them? Probably the iguana!!
Ellen
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Jay Caselberg
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:14 am:   

Well, it's your room, you get to put them wherever you like. But you're sure? The iguana?
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jeff ford
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:59 am:   

Ellen: That little blue head you have next to the title of this topic "My Life" cracks me up.

Best,

Jeff
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jeff ford
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:00 am:   

Ellen: Sorry, not "My Life" -- "Welcome to My World."

Jeff
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:28 am:   

Jeff, you can put up whatever face you like by yours <g>.
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jeff ford
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:48 am:   

Ellen: I did manage to put up one of those faces, but I don't know how I did it. It was basically by accident. I like the one I have there, but if I had the knowledge of how to use them at will I'd have those little fuckers all over the place. Maybe I'm saved by my own ignorance in this instance.

Best,

Jeff
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 07:14 am:   

I'm embarrassed to say I have no idea how I did it either--I can't find the place where the faces are--can anybody help?
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Luís
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:12 am:   

You mean these: ? :-)

You can find a whole bunch of them here:

http://www.nightshadebooks.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-image-lister.cgi

Best,
Luís
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JeffV
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:58 am:   

Hey, Ellen--thanks for joining us here. I'm looking forward to the year's best contents list.
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Kealan Patrick Burke
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 09:12 am:   

Hi Ellen:

Just stopping by to say "How do"

Best,

Kealan
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Bob
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 09:46 am:   

Nice. Hi Ellen!
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:52 pm:   

Hi y'all. Yes, Luis--those are they (them?)--Now Jeff Ford can put up a better one. I like mine <g>
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Jonathan Strahan
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 03:36 pm:   

Hey Ellen -
Great to see you have a board. Sounds like things are pretty crazy with scifi.com and all of the anthos. Look forward to the scifiction books, though, when the time comes.
Best
Jonathan
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LeslieWhat
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 07:07 pm:   

Hi, Ellen! Welcome to this part of the world?

(Er, uhm...does anyone know what part of the world this is, anyway?)

Leslie
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GabrielM
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:50 pm:   

Hi Ellen. We missed you on Wednesday at KGB, but Gavin announced you were stuck in London. Not a great turnout on account of the snow, but the readings were good and folks were enthusiastic. We went to Veselka as opposed to Kiev because the group was small. Hope to see you next month.
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Ellen
Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 07:43 am:   

Hey Leslie,
It's the "virtual" world of course <g>

Gabriel, I'm glad you showed up at the readings. I heard they were good. Unfortunately, I always have to miss March because of the Conf of the Fantastic, which begins that day in Fort Lauderdale. So Gavin will be holding the fort down next month too. I'll be there in April, though.

If the Veselka can accommodate all of us we'll be going there from now on, I think.
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Vera Nazarian
Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 10:43 am:   

Hey, look! It's Ellen!! :-)

*waves*

Vera
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Ellen
Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 10:53 am:   

Hi back Vera!
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Ellen
Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 11:08 am:   

Yesterday evening I attended a reading by Carter Scholz and Michael Blumlein at the Housing Works Book Store in Soho. Both were excellent. Michael read from his novel in progress and Carter read a story from his just published collection, The Amount to Carry

Carol Emshwiller, Gordon Van Gelder, agent Richard Parks, Bill Shunn, and Bryan Cholfin were all there and a few of us went out to eat afterwards. Michael Blumlein asked me and Gordon how to sell the novel and we both gave him earfulls (that I think probably depressed him, poor boy).
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Jonathan Strahan
Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 02:30 pm:   

Ellen -

Would you happen to know if there are any original stories in the Scholtz collection?

J
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Richard Parks
Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 02:53 pm:   

Sigh. Having that agent guy around is starting to get confusing. :-)
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GabrielM
Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 09:55 pm:   

Sounds like fun, Ellen. I received an email about it and was planning to go but had to travel to Mexico on business. Glad Blumlein's still writing, his BRAINS OF RATS collection was the last thing of his I read and I thought it was excellent but haven't seen much (if anything at all) come from him since.
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Ellen
Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 07:09 am:   

Jonathan,
I believe there is one called "Invisible Ink."

Richard (the original Parks):yes, it is but you're the one who I knew of first so you take precedence <g>

Gabe:He's published a few stories--at least one in F&SF "Fidelity: A Primer" made a bit of a splash.
His novel XY, came out from Dell as an Abyss book and is being made into a movie, which is why he was in town.
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JeffV
Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 09:04 am:   

Ellen:

I'm glad there are 2 stories from Jeff Ford in the year's best. I wouldn't mind seeing 3 or 4 from him. I really think he's the best or one of the top three short story writers in the field today. I remember the first time I heard him read "Creation"--it got my attention like few stories read aloud can.

Jeff V.
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Ellen
Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 09:21 am:   

Well both choices were Terri's as both stories are fantasy. But I love "Creation" and wish I had published it on SCIFICTION. <g>

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Jack Dann
Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 10:45 pm:   

Hey, kiddo,

Ain't this like the old GEnie days?

xxoo

--JACK
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Laura Anne
Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 05:59 am:   

Jack --

Except that there's color. And icons. It's the icons thing I'm still trying to get used to, umpety years later...

-- Laura Anne
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 07:16 am:   

Hey Jack,
I was never on GEnie so I don't miss it at all <g> I've heard tales though of flame wars galore!
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Jack Dann
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:05 pm:   

Hi!

Laura Anne, I'm still trying to get used to the icons, too. Ellen, I wonder why I thought you had a room on GEnie. Yes, there were flame wars. Indeed... <grin>

--JACK
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LeslieWhat
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 08:35 am:   

I'm liking this interface but still losing a lot of posts to post preview purgatory, when I forget to send them on. Maybe that's just as well?

Leslie
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Ellen
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 08:44 am:   

Hi Leslie,
That happened to me at first too. But one learns fast <g>

How are you?
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LeslieWhat
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 05:27 pm:   

I am okay. In the chipper phase of my chipper depressive cycle. Writing is going swell and I'm almost done with taxes. Could it get any better than that?
<g>

Leslie
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Ellen
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 05:37 pm:   

You could get a refund <g>
I spent four hours Sat night organizing my receipts and W-9s for my tax guy Monday morning. At first he said "Oh you're going to have to pay a lot this year since you made so much freelance--I hope you put some of it away in the bank" and my heart dropped into my stomach.
But then he said:"you've got a lot of deductions --it won't be so bad." Whew.

If I'm lucky I'll only have to pay a couple of hundred Fed and state. Keeping fingers crossed.
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Laura Anne
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 07:02 pm:   

Ah, taxes. Thankfully I have a spouse who delights in maintaining spreadsheets to track every penny of money earned/spent, and a dad who works for H&R Block, so all I have to do is save recipts.

My dad has actually become the office expert in freelancer tax preparation. They send all the musicians and writers and etc to him. He blames me.

-- Laura Anne
(who usually balances what she owes in Federal with what she gets back from State)
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LeslieWhat
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 08:21 am:   

Laura Anne, I feel your pain.

We're struggling over whether to give some of our refund back to the schools (see Doonesbury). And then there's the problem of Slayer's earnings during his summer internship at Yale. Since he's being taxed by Oregon standards, he'll owe money. Which he doesn't have.

And then there's the hope that I'll be able to put something into my retirement fund.

Oh no, that chipper feeling is starting to fade....

Leslie
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Ellen
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 06:57 pm:   

For those of you haven't gotten around to buying The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror: Fifteenth Annual Collection you can sample some of the stories for free:

THE YEAR'S BEST FANTASY AND HORROR: Fifteenth Annual Collection is the April 21st choice of the email Horror Book Club. You can read excerpts from the following stories:

The Puppet and the Train by Scott Thomas
Onion by Caitlin Kiernan
Cleopatra Brimstone by Elizabeth Hand
Timmy Gobel's Bug Jar by Michael Libling
Struwwelpeter by Glen Hirshberg


Sign up for free at:
http://dearreader.com/index.html

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Scott Thomas
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 09:30 pm:   

Hi Ellen,

Looks like we're neighbors here at Nightshade. Wow, I just popped in to say hi and there's my name in your last posting. Cool! It's a small world. Thanks again for choosing my wee tale to be excerpted. Is excerpted a word?
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 09:48 pm:   

Hi Scott,
Welcome :-)

Excerpted yeah...although this late it looks wrong I think it's right...
You're very welcome.
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Scott Thomas
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 06:26 pm:   

Hi Ellen,

I've never been much of a speller. But I think I'm geting beter. ;)
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Jeffrey Thomas
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 02:22 pm:   

That's why I proofread my little brother's books for him. :-) His story PUPPET AND THE TRAIN is wonderful...glad it's available at Horror Book Club. So proud of him for having both that *and* STRANGE THINGS ABOUT BIRDS in YBF&H #15.
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Ellen
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 08:47 pm:   

I'm proud to now have published both of you in YBFH over the years :-)
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Jeffrey Thomas
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:04 pm:   

We have a third brother, you know. ;v)
- Jeffrey
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Ellen
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:31 pm:   

Jeffrey, really? Or are you kidding?
If he's real, does he write?
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Jeffrey
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 12:56 pm:   

Well...um, he doesn't really write...but you wouldn't hold that against him, would you? Can he still have a shot at YEAR'S BEST? I have a sister, too. And a pet newt. :-)
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Ellen
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 01:43 pm:   

Only the newt! I want to see what a newt can do.
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Rick Bowes
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 05:24 pm:   

Gingrich. We all found out what a Newt could do.
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Ellen
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:15 pm:   

Yup. Forgot about that one!
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Brian
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:25 pm:   

Glub. Glub. Silvery bubbles of exhaled dream hover above my slumbering head. The uneaten portion of my fish meal food stick dissolves in the water around me, as the other portion does the same in my belly. I am soothed by minute vibrations in the water, vibrations the Great Ones outside the walls of my tank cannot detect in Their immensity. Suddenly, from behind the island of my rock, a zombie lurches into view. He rears on his two hind legs, his tail swishing the water behind him, his skin sloughing off him in rubbery tatters. He lunges for me with un-newt-like speed. But as the sun rises above the lip of the world, outside my tank, outside the kitchen window of the Great Ones, the rays touch the undead newt's ruddy dark flesh (with firey red spots on his belly like my own) and he is ignited. He disperses like the fish meal stick. And I lower my head back into the water, and silvery bubbles rise to pop above me in sounds too faint for the Great Ones to hear. Glub, glub.
- Brian Thomas (the newt)
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ThomasNewtFan
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:48 am:   

Wow, I love the newt's prose. Go for it. :-)
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Jeffrey Thomas
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 12:55 pm:   

I notice my newt spelled "fiery" wrong...but hey, he's a newt for Chrissakes.
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Ellen
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 02:26 pm:   

Tsk tsk Jeff; you gave yourself away--and I hear I thought it was truly another "bro"--<g>
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Ellen
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 09:44 pm:   

By the way, Jack Womack and his wife, Valeria Susanina are the proud parents of a little girl names Lillian, born 6lb 14 ounces Saturday morning 1:36 a.m. All three are doing fine and mother and baby will be home from the hospital Monday.

Lillian is adorable--not wrinkley or blotchy as some newborns are. And Jack is already doting and calling her his Mint Julep, in honor of her birth on Kentucky Derby Day.

I'm sure, if someone goes into Jack's topic you might be able to get him to post a photo (if he can figure out how to do so).
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Cadigan, Pat
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 03:10 am:   

OK, I'm here already.:-)
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Ellen
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:06 am:   

It's about time!!!
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ellen
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:15 pm:   

Pat Cadigan just left my humble abode this morning for Raleigh, NC.
She flew to NYC from Toronto Tuesday evening and visited with me for a few days. It was great to hang out and Pat was gracious enough to sleep on my old sleeping bag (which I didn't recall I still owned) so that I didn't have to pull out my book encumbered sofabed.

We had a wonderful time gallivanting while she was here although I spent most of Thursday at my office (I usuually work from home) waiting for IT to take a look at and fix my laptop which stopped working on Wednesday late afternoon.

We saw Jack and Valeria and peeked at baby Lillian (she was already asleep when we arrived) Thursday evening. Last night we went to The Cowgirl Hall of Fame for dinner with Ellie Lang. Had a lovely blood orange frozen margarita. Yum. And their whiskey porkchops.

After Pat left for the airport I discovered the Bleecker Street street fair, roamed and bought a few items (another Angola Prison CD and a couple of chinese snuff bottles), ate brunch at one of my favorite places in my neighborhood, then high-tailed it to the new Hudson River Park, which I haven't checked out in months and months. Ellie shamed me into going there. It's very nice. The weather was gorgeous--fall weather--and I sat on a bench in the shade reading Interzones and enjoying the boats going by (except for the loudest speedboat I've ever heard--it sounded like a motorcycle, full throttle).
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bluejack
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:03 pm:   

I love the Cowgirl Hall of Fame. It was my favorite bar when I lived in NYC. I am sure everything has changed over the years, but my favorite bartender was Melissa, who was also a talented, if not terribly accomplished musician. I still listen to the CD she made way back when.

Ah, I miss the East.
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ellen
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 04:14 pm:   

Hey Bluejack. I've actually never gone for the bar but Pat and I arrived early so had to cool our heels at the front table with drinks while awaiting Ellie.

A friend of mine used to be the manager for Cowgirl but moved on to greener pastures eventually. The food was really good (reliably so) but the noise decibel was almost unendurable. I doubt I'll go there again soon on a Friday night.
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Maureen McHugh
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 07:09 pm:   

An Angola Prison CD? What is that?
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Laura Anne
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 07:17 am:   

Cowgirl is still quite good for casual lunch or a midweek dinner. But yeah, noise level can be painful. I go there every now and again to get my cheap catfish fix.

My favorite place in the area for departmental get-out-of-the-office lunches is actually the Emerald. For no good reason I can name, except they seem to like us in return...

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ellen
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 09:39 am:   

Maureen,
It's one of a series of albums that were recorded at the Louisiana State Prison in Angola, LA --the one I just bought is "spirituals" recorded by Dr. Harry Oster in the late 1950s. The cd was released in 2003 by Arhoolie. Another I have by Arhoolie (the lable) is called Angola Prisoners' Blues and it was released on cd in 1996. Some of the money goes to the Prisoners welfare fund in Angola, "which is reponsible for recreation and providing musican instruments."

I'm into "roots" music as well as Jazz these days. A lot of these albums (and other, earlier ones I have) birthed the blues as we know it today and jazz.
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ellen
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 09:41 am:   

Laura Anne,
Never heard ofthe Emerald. Where is it and what kind of food do they serve?
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Laura Anne
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 11:17 am:   

Ellen,

A couple of blocks south, east off Hudson. Basic bar food (burgers, fish and chips, and a roast beef-and-cheese-on-garlic bread sandwich), but they have Harp and Bass on tap, the place is clean, and they have (or used to have, as I don't recall seeing him last time) a very friendly feline who begs scraps as though to prove there are no rats around.

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ellen
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 12:04 pm:   

Laura Anne,
Aha but are there roaches? One of my industrious cats left a dead fly on my bed yesterday. I was pleased it was dead, not pleased it was in my bed.
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Maureen McHugh
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 05:48 pm:   

Thanks, Ellen. I have very pedestrian taste in jazz, I'm afraid. Miles Davis, Bill Evans, Coltrane. But I do like some blues now and then. I'll look them up.
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ellen
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 06:29 pm:   

Maureen, I'm listening to Miles right now. An excellent 4 CD set called Miles Davis in Person Friday and Saturday Nights at the Blackhawk. It was released by Columbia this year. I haunt Academy music on 18th Street between 5th and 6th avenues for their used cds. If you ever get to NYC we can go there.

I've had discussions with Lucius about jazz (I don't mean deep discussions, just who I like and newer jazz musicians he thinks I'd like). I love Louis Armstrong --having only begun to appreciate him when there was a week long Armstrong jazz retrospective on a radio station I can no longer get since 9/11. They played music from his entire career. Up to that time I only knew his almost self-parodying "Hello Dolly" work.


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Nathan
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 08:25 pm:   

Wow, I had no idea Angola had such a project going -- kind of embarrassing since I live in New Orleans. I have a cd called "Wake Up Dead Man", which is a collection of convict worksongs from Texas prisons recorded in the mid-60s. It's quite beautiful, in an eerie and sad sort of way. The recordings were made on site, so the singing is often punctuated by the sound of shovels punching into the earth.

One of the songs is called "Jody", about a man who is home keeping house with an inmate's wife. When I worked offshore, I was surprised to learn that that community shared the same folklore: no matter what boat or rig I was on, Jody's name kept coming up.
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jeff ford
Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 08:34 pm:   

Ellen: I'm also a big Armstrong fan. He's a genius, for sure. Do you listen to Lester Young at all? My other favorite is Thelonius Monk. Those three guys are great.

Best,

Jeff
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M. Bishop
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:13 am:   

About that Jody business: soldiers in training, singing out cadence-count chants, often used "Jody" as the name for the guy or guys back home getting it on with their girlfriends. Interesting to learn that the name crops up again and again in convict worksongs.

I'm with you, Ellen, in admiring Miles Davis (Lucius had a good thread going about Miles on his messageboard), and I'm with you, Jeff, in admiring Thelonius Monk. I've heard of Lester Young, but will have to check into his music on your recommendation. And, of course, Armstrong. . .

Mike
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jeff ford
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:49 am:   

Michael: It takes me a long time to get with each individual jazz artist. I'm a slow study with this stuff. But once I get it, it's like I can't remember ever not having been in to it. I hope that makes sense. Have recently been getting into Miles Davis over the last year or so and the posts on Lucius's board were interesting to follow.

Best,

Jeff
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Maureen McHugh
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:53 am:   

Lester Young is fabulous. Did you know he's the person who gave Billy Holiday the nickname "Lady Day"? It took me a while to really listen to him--he's a saxaphonist and my first jazz cd was Coltrane's My Favorite Things which I bought because I'd heard it on the radio. Coltrane is, of course, innovative, instantly recognizable. Lester Young, in comparison, sounded to me very conventional. But I stuck a Lester Young cd on the player in the kitchen and let it play and over a couple of days I could really hear how masterful he was. Now i play that cd a lot.

I'm not a Thelonius Monk girl. But Bill Evans...that's a man who could play piano. Sunday at the Village Vanguard with the Bill Evans Trio is my favorite jazz cd.
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GabrielM
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:41 am:   

I particularly like the Lester Young pieces where Billie Holiday sings (Or maybe it's the Billie Holiday songs where Lester Young plays?). Either way, there's a compilation now out from Columbia that has some of the best of these, and there's an even better 3 CD French set covering their combined work from '37 to '46.
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Maureen McHugh
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:46 am:   

Not jazz, but music news. Warren Zevon died yesterday.
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Jim Minz
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:31 am:   

I prefer early Monk, before he went too experimental. And Louie is GAHD.

I haven't been listening to too much jazz for a good ten years or more (most of my admittedly sparse jazz collection is vinyl and I no longer have, nor am interested in getting, a turntable at the moment). But I've gone heavy into old-timey ever since O Brother, Where Art Thou. Gotta love the convict music with which they opened the movie. Great stuff.

Zevon's passing is a real, though expected, blow. He, along with Zappa & Velvet Underground, are the true slipstream artists of the musical variety. He will be missed.
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ellen
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:47 am:   

Nathan, I've got Wake Up Dead Man and yeah, it's a good one.

I'm embarrassed to say I'm not sure I've listened to Lester Young. I've got so many cds (I was a latecomer to them and then stocked up). I do have a enjoy Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Coleman Hawkens, and some Monk.

Regarding Warren Zevon, he's been fighting cancer (very openly) for the past year. I think I need to play some of his albums in memory.

By the way, Jelly Roll Morton was super--I have his 4 cd Rounder set. Also, for pre-jazz--the amazing package of Charlie Patton: Screamin and Hollerin the Blues--a boxed set that looks like the old albums, and has a book along with it. And I could go on and on.

But I'll have to go through my stuff and see if I can find Lester Young.
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jeff ford
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:24 am:   

I'm going to hunt down that Bill Evans one that Maureen mentioned.
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GabrielM
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 02:19 pm:   

>>I'm going to hunt down that Bill Evans one that Maureen mentioned.


Jeff, if you're going to get SUNDAY AT THE VILLAGE VANGUARD you may also want to get WALTZ FOR DEBBY, which was released a few months later but contains additional music from the same date (in '61 I believe). Both are pretty essential.
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ellen
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 03:23 pm:   

Now you've got me hunting down both albums Gabe!
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ellen
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 03:37 pm:   

I'm seeing various releases for each of the two albums. Anyone have a rec for specific ones or does it matter?
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GabrielM
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:51 pm:   

The CDs were rereleased a few years ago with "alternate takes" and so on, but I don't think it matters. To be honest, I don't like the alternate takes as much because it breaks the continuity. I just checked on amazon and when you run a search for Bill Evans those two CDs come up at the top in the 20 bit mastering versions. Those are the ones you want, although you can also get them without the mastering for a few dollars less. (And if you're still hungering for good Bill Evans after that, check out INTUITION, his awesome mid-seventies duet with Eddie Gomez.)

But just to whet your appetite -- I was remembering that in 2001, on the occasion of the fortieth anniversary of the sessions, Adam Gopnik (who happens to be one of my favorite reviewers/essayists for the New Yorker) wrote a very nice essay on the music for the magazine, which I saved. Searching, I found it archived on a Bill Evans site and and you can read it here:

http://www.billevanswebpages.com/gopnik.html

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jeff ford
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:24 pm:   

Gabe: Thanks for the info and the background on Evans. You are one thorough dude.

best,

jeff
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ellen
Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 09:04 am:   

Thanks Gabe.
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Jonathan
Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:17 pm:   

The frustrating thing about the Bill Evan's 'Vanguard' sessions is that, for some reason the label has decided not to issue the complete performance.

Evans, Lofaro and Motion played a couple sets that day, and they can be heard mostly in their entirety in the 12 disc Bill Evans: The Complete Riverside Recordings. The two discs that have been released as "Sunday at the Village Vanguard" and "Waltz for Debby" omit a couple performances, and apparently the opening number was misrecorded. Still, the music that is available is pretty sublime. I'd also recommend the first cd that he recorded with Tony Bennett and the first of the two Jim Hall collaborations. Beautiful, beautiful music.

Jonathan
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Rick Bowes
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:17 am:   

Ellen, why do you have to go tell everybody about Academy Music? It's already too crowded.
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rwexler
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:38 am:   

I used to go to Academy Books and Music when I worked in the neighborhood. Then I moved away. And one time when I came back Academy Books had gone. At least the music store is still there. I usually found great stuff on the 99 cent rack.

Robert
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ellen
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 03:14 pm:   

Sorry Rick. But only New Yorkers can get there anyway ....
Thankfully, Robert, the music store is alive and well --there's also a separate store for Vinyl. I brough a bunch of mine over to sell a few months ago.

Jonathan, this is getting too complicated. I already have cds overflowing from boxes among my overflowing books and mss. Arghhh. I'll see if they're available at Academy first, and if not, order them online.

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Jonathan
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 05:07 pm:   

Ellen:
Let me know how you go with the Evans stuff. I'm pretty sure I have a spare copy of the Evans/Hall "Undercurrent" and I may even have a spare of the Bennett cd too. If you're interested, I'll dig 'em out and bring 'em over for World Fantasy.

J
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 05:36 pm:   

Ellen, if you're interested in hearing some more modern trumpet stuff, Dave Douglas is a good placet to start. Douglas is variously an avantgardist and an off-center traditionalist, and when he's in the latter mode, he does some incredbily beautiful, European-cafe jazz (trumpet with accordion (jazz accordionist Guy Klecevik) and upright bass, piano, drums). A gorgeous album is A Thousand Evenings.

Sax -- David Murray's Japanese import albums, Ballads, Spirtuals, and Ballads for Bass Clarinet, contains some amazing stuff. Sometimes you can find these discs used, but they're snapped up quickly.
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GabrielM
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 08:18 pm:   

I'll second that, Dave Douglas may be my favorite post-Miles trumpeter. His work with Klucevsek is spectacular, not just A THOUSAND EVENINGS but also CHARMS OF THE NIGHT SKY. His most recent album, FREAK IN, is also quite good, but electronica-influenced and very different from the other work. His work in John Zorn's MASADA is also excellent. The one thing of his I'd stay away from is WITNESS.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 08:38 pm:   

Yu spell better'n me, Gabe... :-)

Charms of the Night Sky is great. And so is most of his other stuff.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 08:38 pm:   

You spell better'n me, Gabe... :-)

Charms of the Night Sky is great. And so is most of his other stuff.
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Mark Shiney
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 09:16 pm:   

Hi Ellen, Jonathan, Gabe and Lucius. I'm a big Bill Evans fan. I'm also a big fan of Paul Desmond (sax player for Dave Brubek). Some of his solo recordings with Jim Hall on guitar are incredible. I got turned on to Desmond after reading an interview with Peter Straub. Straub is a very big Desmond fan.
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jeff ford
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 10:31 pm:   

Mark: I once read an interview with Desmond where he said he was trying to make the sax sound like a dry martini. I really like Wendy and quite a few other pieces as well.

Best,

Jeff
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ellen
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:31 am:   

Jonathan,
If you do have extras that would be super!

In the meantime it looks like I"m due for an Academy Music trek but it'll have to wait till after the weekend. I'll be in Ct visiting my sister (and seeing Paul Di Filippo and his partner Deborah) so may get to Providence, RI--I'll look for used cd stories there. I've written all suggestions down.
Thanks



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Mark Shiney
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 11:44 am:   

Maureen, I also have rather eclectic tastes in music. That Evans' CD that you, Jonathan and Gabriel mentioned, "Sunday at the Village Vanguard", is definitely one of my all-time fave jazz recordings. Along with Coltrane's "My Favorite Things".
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ellen
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:58 am:   

My brother in law had the Bill Evans Village Vanguard CD --it's from 1986 and both cds are combined without alternate takes--which is really all I need. My sister burned it for me when I visited this past weekend.

De (bro in law)also had A Thousand Evenings and I liked that so will look for Charms of Night's Sky.
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ellen
Posted on Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 09:43 pm:   

Anyone know if there's a market for Phillipps 777 turntables? I want to get rid of mine for at least a few bucks but mostly want it out of the house.
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Boris Sidyuk
Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 01:00 pm:   

Wow. Thanx, Ellen. It is good board, many interesting ppl and postings. Seems I'll be an often guest here.
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ellen
Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 02:20 pm:   

Hi Boris,
You should noodle around on the other topics--some very interesting conversations going on.
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ellen
Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 09:50 pm:   

I don't think I posted this but The Green Man edited by me and Terri Windling, is now out in trade paperback.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 10:46 am:   

If anyone's been trying to access my personal website today and can't it's because I'm in the middle of changing hosting services. Hopefully, the site will be back up in the next couple of days.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 05:05 pm:   

My website's back up. I hope that my photos from my trip to NZ and oz will be soon.

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