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Des
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 08:14 am:   

What do you think of the new catchphrase!? (Bearing in mind all the veils and piques people have to negotiate!)

Finding 'Nemo': http://tinyurl.com/dpja
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Des
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 10:15 am:   

Another great review of Nemo here:
http://members.aol.com/evzine/reviews.html#anchor3

Thanks John!
Des
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Pequenas
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:56 am:   

I love the style of that review. It's a very well written review, clear and precise and honest.

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Des
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 08:43 am:   

Proud to report that a very favourable review of Nemo~3 has just appeared in the popular London-wide magazine 'Time Out'. It has only just hit the streets and already fresh orders are coming in on email.
Des
http://www.nemonymous.com
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Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Grafton
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 09:30 am:   

That is very pleasant news. Any chance of your posting said review for us who are forced by circumstances to live beyond the pale, and thereby find ourselves completely denied access to the London papers?

H.F.
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Des
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 10:14 am:   

I hope to reproduce it soon on:
http://www.nemonymous.com
subject to the usual clearances for printed reviews, my dukal sir.
Des
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Des
Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:40 am:   

The audience for ‘Nemonymous’ so far has been mostly writers and other publishers. I now sense a closing of ranks (with some exceptions) against anonymity in fiction, as if it’s a threatening force – instead of, as I believe, a breath of fresh air into a closed room. This is notwithstanding the unique power to the author of having a story being presented without strings and then later being revealed as the author of it. Nemonymous may not be the ideal way of doing this. But the general concept *is*. IMHO.

As a secondary point, many of the authors who have been featured in the first three parts of Nemo read these Night Shade boards. I would ask you all kindly to advertise Nemo to your friends and contacts. I still require your help. I know most of you have exceeded your duty in this regard, already. I just need another ounce of your time.
Des
Finding 'Nemo': http://www.tinyurl.com/dbp6
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Des
Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:54 pm:   

Question. People have written to me off-list about my 'shaky' distribution methods for Nemo, follwoing on from above message. But selling all Nemos, as I am gradually doing on my own, seems more in keeping with the Small Press. And I think even some of the distribution methods they've suggested do not go beyond the 'budding writer' as reader. Do we as the Small Press *ever* go beyond this audience? Question.
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Rhys
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 08:05 am:   

Most of the small press: no.

But just a few manage to. I guess we all hope that WE are one of those that manage it, but the vast majority of small press writers (the Terror Tales crew for instance) simply don't realise just how small they are...
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Des
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 08:38 am:   

Rhys: I guess we all hope that WE are one of those that manage it.
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I'm not sure that I do. Indeed, I think I no longer want to be famous in the writing world, though I once did. But if I still did, it'd be easier riding with an aspirationally original idea (e.g. Nemonymity) than competing literally with half the population of the world who want to be famous writers. I guess.
Des
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Rhys
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 09:09 am:   

I agree. If I had a second opportunity, I wouldn't try to be a writer again... and one day I hope to give it up -- satisfactorily rather than despondently (which is why I have set myself a precise target of 1000 stories to write and no more)...

But I still want to be a famous writer. Absolutely. Doesn't mean I will be but I'm going to give it a damn good go.

I think that being a famous editor might be even harder... though if anyone deserves it, you do, with the NEMO project, which is amazing.
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Tamar
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:09 pm:   

Hear, hear!

Rhys - a thousand stories? Really? I find that fascinating.
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:14 pm:   

Didn't want to bring this up when I read the discussion on the TTA boards, because I thought it was somewhat irrelevant to the more practical issues that seemed to be being discussed, but since this thread seems to be a suitable place:

I think your question--basically, whether the Small Press's readership consists solely of itself!--is misleading. It's difficult to deny that almost everyone who reads Small Press publications is or would like to be part of the Small Press itself, but I don't think this is much different from the situation in many other sections of publishing. I may be wrong, but I doubt there're that many people who read fiction from the big houses who don't themselves wish they could achieve the same success as the writers published by them; you need only look at the proliferation of vanity presses and outright scams to see that, and that only represents a small portion of the masses of people who Want To Be Writers (specifically, the less savvy portion). Or, on an allegedly more elevated level, you could look at the number of MFA programmes (a topic which is, I think, even now being discussed on the Ratbastard section of these boards). Thing is, with the big houses (and the big name mags), it isn't enough to want to be a part of it in order for it to actually happen. For many people, it remains a pipe dream, though they may occasionally fantasise about being the next Robert Jordan (or Salman Rushdie, as the case may be). For the Small Press aficionado, however, it's easy as pi(e). Want to be a Small Press publisher? Save up a bit and go POD, or just do an ezine instead. Want to be a Small Press writer? Submit stories to some fellow with low/no editorial standards who decided he wanted to be a Small Press publisher.

(By the way, I know all this sounds perjorative, but you'll have to take my word as an ezine editor that I'm well aware that the low barriers of entry cut both ways; here I'm focussing only on the negative, because only the negative is relevant here. Erm, bit of a mixed metaphor there; forgive me.)

In other words, what I'm saying is that while some people read the Small Press only because they're a part of it, it's equally true that others are part of the Small Press because they read it and like it.
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GabrielM
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 02:49 pm:   

I think folks may be generalizing from their own situation. I am not a writer, budding or otherwise, and I read the small press output because this is where I find quality product, that's all. I have to think there are many people in my situation.
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 02:56 pm:   

Evil Gabe:

I think you're in a minority of Small Press readers with regard to not being a "writer, budding or otherwise", but I don't disagree with your main point, which is that most people read the Small Press simply because it's where they find "quality product". To quote my earlier post, "what I'm saying is that while some people read the Small Press only because they're a part of it, it's equally true that others are part of the Small Press because they read it and like it."
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:22 pm:   

Aside to Des: Frustratingly, my email still isn't working, so could I just ask if you could direct me to any other interviews you've done which are available online? I want to avoid retreading old ground as far as possible.

And if anyone else could, I'd be grateful, of course.
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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:44 am:   

I disagree that the small press is read only (or mostly) by those involved in it. That might be true with zines, but properly speaking, small press books are read by all sorts of people. For instance almost all the university presses are small press, but their audiences certainly far from being a mass of aspiring writers. The same can be said of many other small presses, such as City Lights, Four Walls Eight Windows etc. My guess is that for the most part even a book which Des, Rhys and myself are all in (Album Zutique), has been for the most part purchased by people who are not involved in the small press. This is just a guess of course, and I could be wrong . . .
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Des
Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:44 am:   

I agree with, Brendan, to some extent. But most of the purchasers of any fiction Small Press publication, I'd say, are mostly (budding) writers if not all of them involved with the Small Press. No bad thing, of course. (And I'm only talking about the fiction Small Press - and it's something that I think people should big up as a 'label' and a movement, because we sort of lost it when folk said 'Small Press' was too demeaning -- and also when unreadable website fiction was scattered all over the place (good and bad fiction alike, but unreadable (or, at best, unenjoyable) because it had to be read on a screen,)

Nicholas, there are two interviews with me about Nemo here:
http://www.fantasticmetropolis.com/show.html?iw,dflewis,1
http://www.uta.edu/english/znine/interview2.htm

I think the one that used to be on Dusk is no longer there, and there will be one shortly on the Fragment website, and maybe one or two in print outlets. If you want to ask me about Nemo, I'll try and not go over old ground. Thanks for thinking of it and hope your email is better soon
Des

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Des
Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 09:06 am:   

Request for help. Over the years since Nemonymous was born, I have had criticism as to how difficult it is to 'find Nemo', culminating, it seems, today, with some discussion elsewhere.
If anyone has the time and inclination, I would be grateful if you could follow the links through from www.nemonymous.com plus the various wordings involved - because I feel I have reached the optimum today with these features - and let me know either here or privately what you think.
Des
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JeffV
Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 09:20 am:   

I like the term "independent press" or "independent publisher". You have "indie music scene" for example, not "small music scene."

I'd say AZ has been bought by lots of people outside of small press. Ministry books, too. I.e., not just writers or aspiring writers. I get lots of emails from people who are just readers looking for good, idiosyncratic material.

JeffV
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Des
Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 09:25 am:   

Glad (and not surprised) to hear it, Jeff, and your publications are simply made to cross boundaries.
I still prefer 'Small Press' to 'Independent Press' for the various reasons I've rehearsed on the TTA boards.
I'm still seeking comments, though, on the 'Finding Nemo' point above.
Des
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scribe
Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 07:20 am:   

Des, how do you submit anonymously? Even taking my name off the ms doesn't help; when I send, it says From *****.
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Des
Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 07:37 am:   

Thanks for the query, scribe. Submissions are only accepted in the body of an anonymous email, i.e one with an email address that does not give away your identity. For example, a few years ago, I set up for myself "nemonymous@hotmail.com". Many writers have sent me stories in the past using weird and wonderful concocted email addresses with different email providers! I know that it may be a bit of a bother, but many people already seem to have these types of email address! Des
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Anonymouse
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 08:28 am:   

Des, was the Time Out review ever posted to the Nemo group? I may have missed it but am curious to see what it has to say.
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Des
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 08:37 am:   

Hi, yes, it was message 365. Printed there with permission. Des
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Des
Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:37 am:   

Sponsorship Offer.
For those who don't know, the offer (that has been in existence since the arrival of Nemo~1) is for anyone to use the word 'nemonymous'
anywhere in an independently published fiction and then receive £5 from Nemonymous. Perhaps if you're interested, we can do lunch to discuss the fine detail of this substantive sponsorship scheme.
Des
http://www.nemonymous.com
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Des
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 10:27 am:   

Coincidentally, two acclaimed website magazines have emerged in recent days and they both carry interviews about Nemonymous.
One is on:
http://www.fragmentmagazine.co.uk/
which also has a review of Nemo~3.

The other revelatory interview is on:
http://www.metastatic-whatnot.com/1/namedropping.html
which should soon carry a new photo of myself (in Amsterdam)!

The interviews were conducted a few months ago, since when a few more things have flowed under the bridge.

If you wish to discuss matters arising from these interviews please use the forum on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nemonymous/
where already a few controversial matters have transpired -- or on this message board.

These have been hard and heady days for Nemonymous. Hard decisions. Nemonymous has sacked me as publicity manager and you will see also that many self-appraisals have been under way. I am intending to withdraw from much of the Internet, except for essential work on Nemo and, hopefully, also on forums I’ve already set up or had set up for me.

Equally, I am pleaased to announce that Nemonymous is still receiving many orders, including, for example, one recently from Italy saying they were “anxious to see this mysterious/famous journal”.

Also I am really impressed by the quality of submissions for Nemonymous~4 (and the quantity). I already have had submitted to me some amazing Nemonymous-type short fiction. Please see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nemonymous/
for guideline details.

Nemonymous intends to keep writers informed on Veils&Piques about submissions in general -- whether, *for example*, there will be a spate of rejections at any particular time, to save them keep looking back at their ‘anonymous’ email address.

Des
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nemo
Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:35 am:   

Nobody's shouting at me any more about Nemonymous. Maybe it's settled down now, Quote from the Nemo discussion forum the other day:


"I know this has been discussed before but I think the drop off in public
reaction to Nemonymous is inevitable. Everything seems to reach a peak,
then settle in the water. Take that bespectacled schoolboy for example.
I bet the fever-pitch feeding frenzy that accompanied the release of
"The Order of the Phoenix" will not be matched now until the release of
the last ever book in the series. The moon landings are another example,
we all stayed up all night to see the first one, but it quickly became
routine. It's still exciting, people are still entranced, moved, still
anticipating, but it becomes part of the landscape, something that would
be missed if it wasn't there. Perhaps its like falling in love. That
first crazy euphoria can't continue forever, our nervous systems
wouldn't stand it! It has to settle into something "comfortable". The
apparent silence can be frustrating, but the silence of NOT having the
event, the megazanthus, the book or whatever, is much worse."


In fact, quietly and surely, the rate of orders in all parts of Nemonymous are currently healthy.

Nemo~4 submission guidelines are here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nemonymous/



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Neil A
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 03:54 am:   

Maybe the reviews are gradually trickling out into the general subconscious, Des - prompting people to consider ordering.

I think it would be easier to maintain discussion if the journal were published bi-annually, but obviously there are restraints on such a suggestion.

Perhaps - if you are considering keeping Nemo up and running, and also still entertaining the guest-editorial concept, you might launch a sister publication (more a magazine than the annual that is Nemo) and alternate publication of the two, acting as publisher for the second venture, a gently guiding hand and promotional manager for such a project, passing over the majority of the editorial duties to your guest editor.
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des
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 09:00 am:   

The satisfying thing, Neil, for me, is that orders these days are coming from people I've never heard of! Before it was from friends and colleagues and contacts on the Internet. I must be doing *something* right.

Yes, I agree: I could keep up the momentum better, if sales were quick enough to enable quicker rate of issues.

I'll keep your other idea in mind - as well as, possibly one day, specialising in publishing other anonymous works, like novels etc.
Though I can't foresee any writer (except possibly the person who wrote 'The Vanishing Life and Films of Emmanuel Escabada'!) not requiring Late Labelling of some sort.

Des



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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 10:00 am:   

Just out of curiousity: Have you gotten (m)any other submissions from writers who wish to remain permanently anonymous thus far, Des? Are there any such stories in Nemo 3? From your last post ("I can't foresee any writer. . . not requiring Late Labelling of some sort"), I suppose not, but I just thought I'd ask.
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 10:05 am:   

Make that "curiosity".
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des
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 11:10 am:   

Hi, Nicholas, the answer is no - nobody has *yet* submitted a story to Nemo~4 requiring permanent anonymity. Nor are there any permanent anonymous stories in Nemo~3. I guess the 'Escabada' author is unique? And even that author retains the right to reveal him- or herself at some stage, but so far has expressed the intention never to do so.
Des
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 11:41 am:   

Mm. Can't say I'm surprised. I don't see any really compelling reason to want permanent anonymity myself, as late-labelling seems (to me, at least) to let one have the best of both worlds. Perhaps if I wrote something that cried out for anonymity as much as ". . . Escobada" does, but otherwise no.

Of course, it's all academic until I actually manage to finish a story. . . .
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Neil A
Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 05:16 am:   

http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1154926,00.html
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AlexNystrom
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 09:18 am:   

Jesus, I so much want the Nemos, for reviewing purposes and my own personal indulgement (is that a word?), but I get lost in this swamp of crossreferences and the likes. Help a poor soul out!
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des
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 09:25 am:   

I think it's all clear on my new site ;-) here:
http://www.nemonymous.com
Just write to me with your ideas re reviews etc to:
bfitzworth@yahoo.co.uk

You should receive the Weirdmonger book soon. It was posted to you a day or so ago.
des
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DAAWWGGG
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 04:15 pm:   

THIS THING SUKED!!!
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Jamie
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 06:30 pm:   

Man, I remember when I was younger, skipping school to go and suke in the field. Those were the days.

Thanks for the memories, Mr. GGG

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