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JV
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 08:34 am:   

City of Saints & Madmen will be released in April from Pan MacMillan. I'm really excited about this edition and will be posting information, reviews, and links as relevant.

JeffV
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des
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:00 am:   

Good luck with this, Jeff, I'm sure it'll be a great success. I'm looking forward to buying it in a shop near me in UK - destined to be my 3rd edition of it, and also to accompany (on my bookshelf) the original anthologies that housed 'Martin Lake' and 'Strange Case of X' (plus the Buzz City Press 'Dradin In Love').
I'm proud to be a VanderMeer Collector.
des
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JV
Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:37 am:   

Des, I just this minute got copies of the hardcover and the tradepaper, and it's wonderful!!!! It's quite a kick to see the TOR logo on the book, too!

Jeff
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JV
Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 05:20 pm:   

Eventually, someone was bound to poke fun. LOL!

http://trashotron.com/agony/news/2004/03-22-04.htm#032404

JeffV
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Tamar Eagle-Eyes
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 01:41 pm:   

Shouldn't that read "You're UNlikely to return, or return unchanged"?
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JV
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 02:02 pm:   

Who knows anymore.

Jeffrog
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Martin Lake
Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 07:23 am:   

Scroll down for a review of the "new" material in the UK edition:

http://www.emcit.com/emcit103.shtml#Short
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Tessa
Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 09:31 pm:   

Not released in Australia till May. Doh.
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Rajan Khanna
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:47 pm:   

I'm definitely going to pick up a copy of this 'ultimate edition' when I'm in the UK later this month.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 09:18 am:   

“Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and Determination alone are omnipotent.”
--Calvin Coolidge

This is the quote I typically use when I give a speech at a writers conference. It seemed relevant given Jeff's trials and travails with City . . .
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JV
Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 01:49 pm:   

Here's the oddest mention of City of Saints I've seen--scroll down!

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/may092004/sh1.asp
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Neil Ayres
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 03:51 am:   

Got the Toruk edition the other day, Jeff. Looking forward to my first, belated, taste of Ambergris.
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Mastadge
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 12:54 pm:   

My Tor UK edition also came in recently, which is cool because my Prime copy is on loan to one of my professors.
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Martin Lake
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:03 pm:   

From a review in the Ottakars bookstore chain national SF/F newsletter:

"This is madness, utter madness--but of the highest quality...VanderMeer paints you an awesome, fantasy masterpiece." Etc., etc.
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JV
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 07:09 am:   

And a mini-review in the Guardian:

http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/sciencefiction/0,6121,1247363,00.html
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John Klima
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 07:46 am:   

Very cool. It was cool to walk into a book store in London, and walk back out with my Pan Mac edition of CITY... which means that my shelf has the Cosmos, Prime, and Pan Mac editions, each of which is slightly (or largely) different from the next.

JK
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 02:30 pm:   

I recieved this edition recently as a gift. So far I have to say that this is a marvelously innovative creation. It is one of the most interesting, well put together and thought out, literate, imaginary world fantasies in modern writing. It has the maturity and depth, that is lacking in much popular commercial fantasy today. I guess I'll comment more when I finish the book.
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JV
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 12:34 pm:   

Thanks, Stephen!
JeffV
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Martin
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 02:32 am:   

I reviewed it for SF Site a couple of issues ago:

http://www.sfsite.com/08a/cs181.htm
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JV
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:25 am:   

Thanks, Martin. I was meaning to say I really appreciated that review. I'm glad you liked the book.


JeffV
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Jason Schaeffer
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:15 am:   

Question. How is this version different besides the illustrations? Was anything added or taken out content wise? Also, being that its a UK version, how would I, a US citizen, get ahold of a copy? Interestingly enough, Jeff sent me a copy of the second City of S&M as a thank you when I emailed him to tell him about an error in the printing of Leviathan 3. It was the story about Kafka I think. The last page was a double and I never got to see how the story ended. He said he was going to send me a corrected version free of charge but I never heard anything back from him. I'm not complaining though. I love my VanderMeer and he was generous enough to send me a complimentary version of his other book, autographed no less.
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John Klima
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 05:47 am:   

The Pan Mac version also includes THE EXCHANGE, a small illustrated chapbook-type thing that Jeff and Eric Schaller did. I don't think there's anything else different. You can order it from www.amazon.co.uk; of course you'll have to pay for shipping from overseas, which is not cheap, but I've been very happy with everything I've bought from them.

Or you could be like me and fly to London to buy a copy of the book. (OK, I was there on vacation and picked one up while there...I'm not THAT crazy)

JK
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Neil A
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 07:54 am:   

I have a copy and it's very nice. Is the story on the cover on the other editions, Jeff?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 10:35 am:   

You should be able to order the Pan Mac edition from amazon.ca also. Just make sure the product details have Macmillan ISBN listed.

Or you could fly to England, Australia or New Zealand. I saw it pretty regularly in Australia, plus a few places in NZ.

The story on the cover is on everything except the first (Cosmo) version.

There is one other difference between the US & UK editions - Jeff's bio has been updated a bit.
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Tamar
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 04:31 am:   

Jason, it was my story 'Kafka in Bronteland' which appeared misprinted in some editions of 'Leviathan 3.' Thank you for noticing.:-) If you, or any other readers of that edition, would like the complete story I will be pleased to email it to you. Just contact me at faldaruk@yahoo.co.uk.
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JV
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 04:39 am:   

Jason:

My apologies. I never heard back from Prime when the problem was corrected. It was the publisher's error. Just email me with your address again and I'll take care of it.

JeffV
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JV
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 04:40 am:   

Also, on City--the Pan Mac edition also includes "Learning to Leave the Flesh," although you can also find that story in Secret Life.

"The Exchange" is annotated in the Pan Mac edition, basically interweaving another story with "The Exchange."

Jeff
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steve redwood
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 08:01 am:   

Jeff, just read your Vanderworld news and some comments there on City Saints. You are now way beyond mere entertainment!! A friend of mine here (Rhys met her) is such a great fan of the book that:

1. She hadn't returned my (Prime) copy to me, and worse,

2. She just phoned to say a friend of hers (a Brit) was on point of committing suicide, was aware of his state, called her, she took him into hospital (or clinic, I'm not sure of details), he was given medication, and phoned her from the hospital asking if she could take him your book, which he'd been leafing through in her flat. She apologised to me for taking my book into the hospital, but felt sure I wouldn't mind if it helped to prevent a suicide.

So it seems you're at last going to earn your doctorate.....





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JV
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 06:10 am:   

Nice review here:

http://www.computercrowsnest.com/articles/books/2005/nz7423.php
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JV
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 05:58 am:   

This is a large, but fast-loading image of the full cover of the forthcoming mass market paperback of City of Saints. I like it a lot--it fits in with recent design trends re books in the UK and the back cover copy helps to better frame what the book is all about. And Scott Eagle's art is still there, at the bottom, if de-emphasized. It was time for a break from the Black Monolith look...although I realize it may be initially shocking for some.

JeffV

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John Klima
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 07:11 am:   

Sweet!

JK
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Liz
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 07:30 am:   

Nice one, Jeff!

It's really rather disturbing, which of course is what you want.

I was even more disturbed by the initial resemblance of the domes to the Brighton Pavilion.
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al duncan
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 07:33 am:   

It does look good. Has a lovely mainstream-meets-fantasy look. Fabulous literary.
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Robert Deverex
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 08:05 am:   

That is a nice cover.

Will the story from the other cover make it into the paperback?
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Richard Parks
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 11:13 am:   

I swear when I saw the topic header I read it as: CITY OF SAINTS AND MADMEN, PacMan edition. There's an image that will linger.
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JV
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 11:25 am:   

Oh, there will be a PacMan edition...

Re the story from the other cover--scrapped for this edition, but it will be added to the www.ambergris.org site so that anyone can see it.

JeffV

PS For the German edition, they are reproducing it *exactly* as it appears for the Pan Mac hardcover--exterior and interior.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 12:09 pm:   

I imagine the PacMan edition being something like this: you have to wander around a maze, collecting the book one page at a time. Chasing you through the maze are mushroom dwellers. However, in each corner, there is a pool holding a squid. You can pick up the squid and it can eat the mushroom dwellers. But it can't live out of water for too long, so it dies allowing the mushroom dwellers to continue chasing you. You only escape when you have collected every page.


Of course, you'll need a Ms. PacMan version too. Just like the normal one, but with a bow and lipstick.
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 06:39 pm:   

Looks great! Reminds me of the recent editions of Angela Carter's books in paperback.
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Tamar
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 05:42 am:   

"PS For the German edition, they are reproducing it *exactly* as it appears for the Pan Mac hardcover--exterior and interior."

But in German, presumably. ;-)
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JV
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 06:40 am:   

Er, yes. Ha! BTW--Tamar, you should tell us all about your upcoming great reviews on your messageboard. :-)

JeffV
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Scott William Carter
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 08:58 am:   

Wow, that is an awesome cover, Jeff. Coolness.
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des
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 11:23 am:   

When I first saw the cover above, I thought - wow! - it's just the sort of cover they give Booker prize winners.
des
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Jonathan
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 12:10 pm:   

Hi Jeff,

Bought the Prime hardcover of 'City' awhile ago and almost finished it (halfway through'King Squid - note: After reading about the pain and torment involved in the priniting problems, I readied myself to be disapointed with the graphics, but they look fine to me!), now I find this new edition has two extra stories.

Now the first 'Learning to Leave the Flesh' I have covered off in 'Secret Life' (which I've just ordered), but the second 'The Exchange', I've only found as part of the 'Fungicide' recording (also ordered (and thanks for the link to CD Baby!)).

Now in reading this thread, am I to understand that the version of 'The Exchange' in the Pan 'City' is substancially different from the recorded copy? And if so, secondly will this revised version be the one published when you issue more copies of the chapbook version of 'The Exchange'?

regards,

Jonathan
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JV
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   

Jonathan:

The Exchange is the same in the Pan Mac edition as the stand-alone chapbook. However, a commentary in typewriter font has been added in the Pan Mac edition, by X, about the illustrator and writer of The Exchange--Verden and Sporlender. So each page of the Exchange reproduced in the Pan Mac edition has text beneath it parsing the page from X's point of view, using his knowledge of Sporlender and Verden.

JeffV
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Jonathan
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 03:17 pm:   

Hi Jeff,

Many thanks for your quick response. I take it then that plans to issue another edition of the chapbook have been shelved (damn!). Just another quick thought: When I got home, there was a ton of stuff from the Science Fiction Book Club, which got me wondering why no book club edition of COSAM? I would figure that this is the type of book they'd love to sponser.

warmest regards,

Jonathan
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Ed S.
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 06:29 pm:   

I'm looking at that TOR paperback cover, or more specifically at the write up on the back cover which begins "Funny, bawdy...". Well, quite frankly it creates the immediate impression that this is just some kind of comedy. In fact the whole tone of that paragraph reinforces the impression that this is just some light headed fantasy farce, another Jurgen perhaps. I thought it to be a pretty awful writeup. If I were at a book stand, picked this book up and read the back cover to see if it was interesting I doubt I'd buy it. Sorry. The cover art on the other hand is nice, perhaps not at first impression, but it does grow on you after a while.
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Martin
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 04:19 am:   

I'm looking at that TOR paperback cover, or more specifically at the write up on the back cover which begins "Funny, bawdy...". Well, quite frankly it creates the immediate impression that this is just some kind of comedy

Only if those were the only two words on the cover that you read.
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Jonathan
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 06:29 am:   

Your Morning Laugh

Hey Jeff, sort of off topic, but in my attempt to get some sort of copy of 'The Exchange', as above, I ordered 'Fungicide' from CD Baby. I included a little note saying only 'Coming to a good home, please pack securely'. Well, I just about pissed myself laughing at the response I got! I reproduce it here, for your enjoyment:

Jonathan -

Thanks for your order with CD Baby!

Your CD has been gently taken from our CD Baby shelves with
sterilized contamination-free gloves and placed onto a satin pillow.

A team of 50 employees inspected your CD and polished it to make sure
it was in the best possible condition before mailing.

Our packing specialist from Japan lit a candle and a hush fell over
the crowd as he put your CD into the finest gold-lined box that money
can buy.

We all had a wonderful celebration afterwards and the whole party
marched down the street to the post office where the entire town of
Portland waved 'Bon Voyage!' to your package, on its way to you, in
our private CD Baby jet on this day, Friday, January 14th.

I hope you had a wonderful time shopping at CD Baby. We sure did.
Your picture is on our wall as 'Customer of the Year'. We're all
exhausted but can't wait for you to come back to CDBABY.COM!!


Thank you once again,

Derek Sivers, president, CD Baby


As Alice Cooper once said: 'Hey! I think we've got a live one'! :-)

best wishes.

Jonathan
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JV
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:35 am:   

Ed:

Sorry it strikes you in that way. The problem with prior descriptions is that they were too serious and also did not get at the essential metafictional nature of the book's frame, or at the fact that there is a significant amount of black humor in the book. The new description is more in keeping with the book, and with the front cover design.

Thanks for that, Jonathan.

And this isn't for the Pan Mac edition, but I don't want to create a new thread, so I'm posting it here--some of the first "Germanized" illos for the German edition. Just for kicks.

JeffV



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JV
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:37 am:   

These are both by the incomparable Mark Roberts, of course.

Jeff

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