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Alison
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 03:24 am:   

Over on Richard's website he suggests a soundtrack for the Steel Remains would be early Rolling Stones.

Any suggestions for his other books? I associate Muse album Absolution with Woken Furies
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Newmark
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Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 08:02 pm:   

Nothing will sound like "Blade Runner Blues" in the Millsport night.
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Richard
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 08:23 am:   

Soundtrack for TSR would also include Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Two Gallants. I left them out because I wasn't sure how many people would know them - The Stones Street Fighting Man/Gimme Shelter et al has roughly the same vibe, but also an almost total recognition guarantee.

I associate Vchira beach in Woken Furies with The Raveonettes "Remember" and some Jesus and Mary Chain. Up the Newpest end where it gets industrial and fucked up, it's more KMFDM or the Kills.

Millsport is tricky - it's a glittery, gleamy place, a lot more mannered and wealthy than the Kossuth culture in the south. Much though it grieves me to admit it, I think something out of the Ibiza Trance scene might fit best.......
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Will
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 10:24 am:   

Are these things you listen to while writing (and hence the association) or are these things you conceptualize before or after the writing is done?

I wouldn't have predicted something like Black Rebel Motorcycle Club for something like Steel Remains. I'm intrigued.

Getting a skosh off topic, but is there a map of Harlan's World somewhere that you work from?
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Redrichie
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 10:59 am:   

I always think that Market Forces requires that very *special* type of 80s nonsense (not, clearly, for quality!) to evoke that hyper-corporate vibe of the novel.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 11:00 am:   

Ugh...I said "vibe" apologies.
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Redrichie
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 11:28 am:   

Aha! And I see so did Richard...oops haha. Shouldn't say too much, number of novels published by Richard: 5, number published by me: 0.

I feel bad. :-(
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Richard
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Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 07:50 am:   

Will - yeah, I listened to a lot of BRMC and 2 Gallants (and the Stones) while doing the writing. But then, I listen to them a lot whatever I'm doing, to be honest.

Don't credit the BRMC link? Go back and listen to "American X" again, and imagine a windswept sunset-blackened aftermath-of-battle skyline. Listen to "Berlin" and "I Need Some Air" and imagine back-alley daggers-drawn thuggery in action....

No map of Harlan's World except in my head - a lot of it remains very vague, with sharper focus only at the points required by plot.
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Richard
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Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 07:52 am:   

Hey, "vibe" - it's just a word. No worries. Sometimes I say "dreadful" as well. I ain't proud, but there it is. :-)
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2pala
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Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 08:03 am:   

Broken Angels: The 69 Eyes "Lost Boys" for Kovacs' crew.

How I love YouTube.
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2pala
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Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 08:15 am:   

Oops, should have included this in previous message: Again, The 69 Eyes "Sister of Charity" somewhere in Black Man, probably at Sevgi's death.

(Yes, I like The 69 Eyes a lot)
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Alison
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Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 09:57 am:   

mmm, I like those associations for Vchira Beach, but maybe too frenetic for watching the sunrise after a swim?

I'm glad you clarified the BRMC link to their recent stuff - I can definitely imagine war zones and action in dark alleys...
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Alison
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Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 09:59 am:   

mmm, I like those associations for Vchira Beach, but maybe too frenetic for watching the sunrise after a swim?

I'm glad you clarified the BRMC link to their recent stuff - I can definitely imagine war zones and action in dark alleys...
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 07:12 am:   

One more The 69 Eyes Reference: Takeshi's theme song for Woken Furies would be "Devils".

"Who told you about a man without fear
Who told you about a god who does not care
Who told you about a pain that does not hurt
Who told you about a love that turns to dirt

Devils
You've got a face-to-face with your Devils
You've got a race to race with your Devils
You've got to find a place among your Devils
You cannot replace your Devils"
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Alison
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 10:02 am:   

Here's a war song with a catchy tune celebrating a recent birthday

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=30528025
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Will
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Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 04:13 pm:   

I've been listening to BRMC's "Baby 81" for like a solid week now. Why'd I take so long to pick this one up?
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Alison
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Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 06:33 am:   

Will, yeah, Baby 81 I just gotta keep listening to it.

Have you checked out "Take Them On On Your Own"? Has a strong Stones influence and cool lyrics yet predates "Howl" (so I was wrong about their earlier stuff)
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Will
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Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 06:01 pm:   

That's the era of BRMC I think of, actually. I just hadn't gotten around to getting the new one. Now that you've mentioned it, though, I've got to put "Take Them On" into iTunes like a magazine into a machine gun.
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Redrichie
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 10:45 am:   

No question about the stuff mentioned for the Kovacs books; but I feel that this is something that has to be broached:

Why no free jazz?

Some Albert Ayler/John Coltrane/Archie Shepp fire music is good for what ails ya, but if you want full on brutality then Peter Brotzmann's "Machine Gun" is pretty hard to beat.

Actually, most of his oeuvre would do to soundtrack any violence (I hand out all my beat-downs to him)*.

Failing that, Early(ish) Masayuki Takayanagi (gtr) and/or Karou Abe (sax) has that full-on, fucked-up, squall thing going on.

Although...it could, again, be just because I'd been listening to a lot of it when reading the books. I once read "If On A Winters Night A Traveller" by Italo Calvino and now have that book inextricably linked with Wire's 154 album, although I wouldn't have said it would necessarily soundtrack it that well. Ditto The Chemical Brother's Exit Planet Dust and dissertation hell.

And I suspect I'm in a minority here!

*not true
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Richard
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Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 03:49 am:   

Hmm - unfortunately, jazz, free or otherwise, is not something I know a lot about. I own the obligatory copies of "Night Train" and "Kind of Blue", some Dexter Gordon ballads and a few other bits and pieces, but it really is an area I haven't explored that much. I tend to acquire music through hearing it, in movies, on the radio, through friends and (very occasionally) printed press reviews, and like classical music, jazz is a form that tends to exist in its own cordoned off space. You have to make a conscious effort to go and access that space, and I lack the spirit guides to make that an easy step to take. Also, I'm not keen on the very extended (read sharply discordant) stuff and I'm very wary of buying blind and ending up with a pile of that very stuff.

That said, suggestions gratefully received.
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Redrichie
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Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 06:33 am:   

Ah. Well, it may be difficult to make recommendations in good conscience, then.

I think you're right...outside of jazz standard songs, one doesn't tend to hear that much in the way of jazz in non-specialist circles. This is unlike even obscure, say, funk and soul which turns up on adverts because its easy accessibility and availability through reissue labels, like Soul Jazz.

However I will make some suggestions (NOT recommendations!) based on my own, highly subjective, views.

Incidentally, worth noting that there's quite a big jazz influence on the underground scene these days. Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth (who have a lot to answer for in terms of contemporary alt rock) has, as far as I'm aware, always been into Jazz and champions a lot of contemporary stuff. And I think this has filtered into the "scene". Chris Corsano, a very talented young drummer who may be more familiar to a lot of people by being on Bjork's last album (not really a fan, but she tries) started out as a drummer in hardcore punk bands (and still does that in various side projects) but one of the most memorable gigs I've been to was him and saxophonist Joe McPhee (1970s on).

Oh, and If people wanna hear this stuff at not too much of a cost emusic is good value for mp3 albums (drm-free! Hurrah!) cheap too, because of their subscription model and the length of most jazz pieces. Also, there are a ton of blogs (inconstant sol is a good 'un) that post rare/oop jazz rips, although of course that's a little more dubious legally. On the other hand, a lot of jazz reissues (notoriously BYG Actuel) see naff all go to the artist.

Ah yes...the music.

So: I will give artist/album availability and a brief (hopefully valuable) description. I take no responsibility after that!

Art Ensemble of Chicago (featuring Fontella "Rescue Me" Bass) - Les Stances A Sophie.
Reissued by Soul Jazz a few years ago, this does have more than the odd digression in to free blow out, but it is also pretty damned funky. I love it.

John Coltrane - One Down, One Up live at the Half Note. Was unavailable, except as a bootleg, for years until kindly reissued by Impulse. Probably not the most important piece of work ever done by 'Trane, but the reverence devoted to it by owners of the bootlegs is not simply due to rarity...Was the sound of a band at the height of its powers. Also, funky basslines/drumming abound.

Last Exit - Last Exit Cassette recordings. (easily available on emusic...atavistic reissue, I think) Featured (amongst others) Pete Brotzmann and guitarist Sonny Sharrock (stopped touring/recording after Sharrock's death), is pummeling jazz rock. I know that sounds absolutely fucken dreadful, but trust me on this, it gives you all the muscle and energy of metal without actually having to listen to metal and associate with a load of spotty kids. Also anybody that has ever seen Space Ghost will have heard Sonny Sharrock. He did the guitar!

Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity. Easily available through Impulse. Thembi might be a better introduction (the tracks are shorter and more accessible) but this has everything for me...groove, density and freedom.

Joe McPhee - Nation Time. "What time is it?" Awesome. Easily available as on emusic through the Atavistic reissue. Fast Funky and fun. Does have the odd moment of dischord, though....

Sun Ra - Nuclear War. Again available easily through emusic. Actually not his best (I'd go with Space is the place and Atlantis...but he did a hell of a lot). A bit controversial in jazz circles...he was a "bit" of a self-mythologiser but had a nice SF aesthetic. Made a bizarre film (Space is the Place) too. Anyhoo, I choose Nuclear War because Yo La Tengo Fans *may* be familiar with the title (and best) track (they covered it). It was, amusingly, his attempt at having a pop hit. He couldn't understand why a song which featured the line "Nuclear War, it's a motherfucker" may not be to the tastes of radio programmers or, indeed, his own record label. Take that, the man! Also saw his band (he's dead now) a couple of years ago and am ashamed to say that an 85 year old Marshall Allen has more energy than me.

Noah Howard - The Black Ark. Another holy grail for jazz fans for years. Finally reissued by bo-weavil. Volcanic Tongue usually have it. Ace.

Personally a huge fan of Masayuki Takayanagi and Karou Abe, but in general they are a lot more prone to dischord without the same sort of booty-shaking bass that their American brethren had. I don't know if this is perhaps because American Jazz is rooted in things *like* New Orleans gospel/soul making them more obviously rhythmic than the European and Japanese stuff (especially post Coltrane/Shepp hard-blowing stuff). Just a thought. Put it this way I can get away with some of the stuff mentioned here (also Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady) in a mixed gathering where I couldn't, say, Takayanagi's "Mass Projection".

Anyway...it's up to anybody that has made it to the end of this, without suffering some kind of jazz-induced brain shut-down, what they do with this information.

Later, alla y'all hep cats!
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Alison
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Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 08:30 am:   

Richard, I'm curious - what radio programme broadcasts music that can be listened to without having to be nocturnal?
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Alison
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Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 08:33 am:   

oops - just reallised that sounds like I'm implying you're a beast of the night... sorry

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