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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 09:49 pm:   

If you saw Taylor-Hopkins 1, you don't need to see Taylor-Hopkins 2. A little more decisive, but basically the same undynamic fight. The first round I gave to Hopkis was 7. Let's not do it again, huh, guys?
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PM
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 06:36 am:   

One wonders if any excitement is returning to the ring...

Did you get to yak with the HBO guys when they were in Portland?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 08:19 am:   

Why would I bother? Lampley's an idiot and Merchant's a rambling ol' drunk who used to be a decent writer. I've exchanged a few words with RJ over the years and he's mostly been a reasonable person, but not exactly a font of info about any subject other than himself.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 08:45 am:   

Sounds like there is no hope for redemption for the HBO crew.

When Merchant retires I wonder who the new third leg will be?

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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 09:00 am:   

Some washed up hack. I'm thinking of dropping HBO, the fights are so bad. All the decent fights are on Showtime.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 09:51 am:   

I certainly haven't been motivated to spend money on PPV boxing events.

HBO and Showtime have a talent split.

I'd rather listen to Lampley's voice. He babbles well. And Buffer does his schtick well though it's time to change his line...

So Showtime analysts providing the feed with Lampley delivering.

And the matches have been mostly dull all around though HBO continues to thud.

It takes time to generate new names and it seems that we're in a transitional period where so many fighters have retired or are clearly on the way out.

And of course an ongoing unwillingness to pair competitive talent together...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 10:09 am:   

That's not it. It's HBO's reluctance to feature anyone other than old fighters that prevents the rising of new stars. Also, their reliance on the heavyweights, who are shit and have been shit for some time. Showtime features young vets like Lacy and Hatton and Castillo and takes a chance on up and comers.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 10:33 am:   

My impression of HBO was that their goal was to show the best fights between boxers who had essentially arrived.

The fighters would be groomed elsewhere and then it when it was time and contracts were signed they would appear on HBO.

HBO has what they have and we would both agree (I think) that one or both of the following would have to happen:

1. New blood.

2. Some of the existing HBO boxers need to be paired in better matches. Whether this is the boxer, promoter, network, or some combination the lopsided matches are not exciting.

And then of course there are contracts with the existing fighters. I wonder to what extent HBO has tied their hands with contractual agreements with fighters who have either sputtered or once again are contracted to fight but end up fighting lesser opponents.

As you've said Showtime and other networks are willing to put on fresher fighter and that does present new and potentially exciting opportunities.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 10:56 am:   

HBO fights have basically become set-ups for their PPV shows, i;e, mismatches to showcase the participants. That's not gonna change -- that's their marketing philosophy.

HBO contracts are a joke, easily broken by the network.

New Blood? They have an emerging star in Cotto and he hasn't fought on TV in almost a year, and when he does fight he does so against bums.

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PM
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 11:19 am:   

We basically agree on that.

Jim and Larry tend to comment on the underwhelming nature of the matches. Larry, if I recall correctly, was especially verbal about this in 2004.

I guess one would have to go fighter by fighter which would be rather time consuming but is it more HBO that's insisting that lopsided matches be fought or is it the promoter (Don King, etc)? Perhaps in some cases it's the fighter.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 11:36 am:   

I repeat: HBO wants to make their fighters look good to sell their PPVs. This has been policy since the late 90s and is the reason Lou DiBella quit the network. Sure, sometimes the fighters and the promoters don't want a fight, but HBO has the power and it suits them fine.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 12:19 pm:   

Maybe it's just me but more often than not I enjoyed most of the HBO fights that I was able to watch through the 90s/00s. But 2004 and especially 2005 it's just degenerated.

Even the non-PPV fights back in the 90s/00s were more enjoyable than they've been on the whole in the last couple of years.

A number of HBO fighters have left and while one could debate their ability the matches were still more exciting to watch than the recent ones...

That doesn't negate your point.

Regardless of where they appear we're still waiting for example in the heavyweight division to gain much needed critical mass to regain excitement...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 12:29 pm:   

'You're gonna be waiting a long time for a decent hvyweight.

I would argue that the fights have gone downhill since Di Bella quit.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 01:08 pm:   

Well it wouldn't look pretty but perhaps the heavyweights should wear head gear.

These guys are so strong that it's unrealistic to expect that they can go round after round taking head shots. In fact it seems that usually one or two is all it takes and then it's over...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 06:43 am:   

HBO's matchmaking has been lame. As Lucius said, they are not so much interested in competitive matches as they are in hyping their brands.

IMHO, the ShoBox fights on Friday night were much more entertaining than anything on the Taylor-BHop card.

Again, the Hopkins fight was marred by excessive advocacy, Roy Jones insisting on talking up Hopkins, even when the older fighter was essentially doing nothing.

The overall style of the HBO team has been grating for some time. Lampley is a florid speaker and a shil for the house guys. Merchant's boozy and non-witty wordplay is irritating. The only time I enjoy him is when he's p.o.'ed enough to say what he really thinks, like Sat. night when he basically railed against the Taylor fight for being dull (which it was).

Showtime is much more active in hyping new talent and making competitive matches.

Is HBO going to air the Gatti "comeback" fight? If so, that would speak volumes re: their direction -- straight down.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 08:21 am:   

You know they're gonna air the Gatti fight. Lampley will be in full throat proclaiming him the most exciting fighter in the universe. Hatton may kill him.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 08:48 am:   

I have noticed that the bias of HBO announcers for their house fighters has been getting much worse lately.

Thinking of the Gatti right brings to mind his "comeback" fight after the Ivan Robinson losses. They matched him with an auto body worker named Reyes Cruz, and made a big deal about how he was finally going to be able to buy a car to visit his daughter. Then, Gatti caught him high up on the shoulder and sent him careering to the canvas. He had to be hauled out on a stretcher. It was a shameful, embarrassing night for the net. God only knows who they are matching "Thunder" with this time.
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JV
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 08:48 am:   

Yeah--Hopkins did nothing. I thought Taylor was way too passive, though. God, was it boring. I think Wright beats Taylor if they fight.

JeffV
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 08:52 am:   

Taylor-Wright will put people to sleep. Tell you the truth, I think Taylor improves and beats him.

Dave, I thought they'd made Gatti-Hatton.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 09:44 am:   

I thought Gatti was fighting a nobody in AC for his "comeback" fight. They're not putting Gatti in with Hatton right away, are they? As you say, that would be homicidal.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 10:22 am:   

It's homicidal either way. Bucket told me they had made the fight.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 10:26 am:   

From a risk-reward point of view, it's a good deal for Hatton.
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JV
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

Why is Gatti still fighting? He sucks.

Really getting disillusioned. And here we have Morales against Pac Man instead of a rematch against the guy he lost to.

JeffV
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 10:54 am:   

It's a great deal for Hatton.

Boxing economics, Jeff. That guy, whose name neither or us recalls, couldn't sell cheese to a rat. Besides, it's the opinion of many that Morales was ill for that fight, and it wouldn't be much of a contest. I hope he retires after Paq -- he's been a great fighter and he's managed his money. He owns several recording companies, one specializing in Narcorridas, the songs celebrating drug dealers that are so popular in the border culture.
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PM
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:27 am:   

That would be Damgaard not to be confused with damn good.

I did enjoy the Gatti/Ward matches...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:39 am:   

Gatti-Ward were a series of brawls between two journeymen. Entertaining, but not skillful in the least.
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PM
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:46 am:   

Isn't that the mantra of America? What we make up for intelligence and skill we compensate with passion and or good intention?

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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:59 am:   

Fuck America. We're talking about boxing. I've seen better fights than Gatti-ward in bars.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   

I should remark on your headgear comment -- headgear does nothing. Once the leather gets soggy from a fighter's sweat, it adheres to the skin and actually increases the chances of a KO or a concussive blow by spreading the impact of a punch. It might be interesting for you to know that there were far fewer deaths during the bareknuckle era than after gloves began being used. Bare knuckle punches have a smaller area of impact -- plus which, the fighters couldn't strike as hard for fear of breaking their hands; that's why their fights often went twenty and thirty rounds. Gloves allowed fighters to strike harder and increased the impact area of the punch, leading to more ring deaths. I'd liken this to the notion, once widely held, that heroin is a cure for opium addiction. Same goes for headgear.
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PM
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 12:46 pm:   

I'd rather box than brawl.

But it all does seem to amount to levels of hell with so many matches straining Eskimo terms for "snow". Dull is the word.

Last Friday night's Showtime fights had activity but I wasn't engaged. It improved as the rounds passed but by then I was out of...
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Nels
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 08:13 am:   

I watched a good fight t'other night. Popped across to Gay Paree to watch Lorenzo Parra from Venezuela beat the shite out of the homeboy, one Brahim Asloum, who was European flyweight champ and a former Olympic Gold medalist. Parra retained the WBA title he got from errr, can't remember, the Puerto Rican dude who got beat up by Martin Castillo...

Parra's a good little fighter -- tight guard, solid right-hand counter, good fundamentals, and he travels damn well. I don't think he lost a round...

By the way, Lucius, they showed your boy Rafa Marquez wallop Silence Mabuza on TV here a few nights ago. That was a performance, man, cuts or no...

Best,
Nels
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 09:21 am:   

Hi, Nels. I've never seen Parra, but I heard he's good. Maybe they'll show him over here before the next millennium.

Yeah, people were saying Mabuza had a shot, and were actually picking him. I was going, are you nuts? They're trying to match him with Jhony Gonzales who just beat Vorapin. Gonzales is good, but I think it's gonna take a lot more than good to derail Marquez.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 09:40 am:   

Right now, BTW, they're having Gonzales fight Mark Johnson, who's no longer what he was.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 11:48 am:   

I read that, before the Taylor-Hopkins fight, they had Sly Stallone walk to the ring as Rocky Balboa and he got a bigger cheer than any real fighter.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 12:17 pm:   

Yeah, I talked to a friend who was there. They had a fake weighin after the real one. Said Sly's directing style was very cinema verite, like, uh, you say what you gonna say, and I'll say, you know, whatever...and like that. :-)

My friend is writing a script about the murder of Oscar Bonavena by mob boss Sam Conforti. Apparently, Oscar was attempting to sieze control of the brothel trade and he started screwing Conforti's wife, who was 26 years older than him, so as to get info, and he fell in love with her. Conforti, who'd spent his life screwing around on his wife, then got jealous, shot Oscar and fled to Brazil. He's still got juice in Reno. He runs the official brothel control agency through a proxy. The brothel agency is on the ground floor of a building whose second floor is occupied by the Chapel of the Bells, where the proxy guy has married 70.000 couples. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 02:26 pm:   

Guess you could say he gets 'em coming and going...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 02:50 pm:   

Yup. Guess you could.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 06:48 am:   

Jeez, not even a smiley? Tough crowd.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 07:13 am:   

:-)
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PM
Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 08:41 pm:   

What a night of boxing!

The Argentinian came to box and Judah came to play. The only thing that would have made it better would have been to watch Judah's ass hit the canvas.

In the 7th there were times when Judah seemed to be more interested in playing football...
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PM
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 05:21 pm:   

Was rootin' for Mormeck but he just didn't have what it took to get the job done.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 07:59 am:   

Judah's ass would have hit the canvas if not for the helping hands of Arthur Mercante. Mormeck fired off his big guns and Bell weathered the storm until The Guadaloupe Pit Viper had nothing left.

I loved Judah blaming Don King for tiring him out and ruining his concentration. That was priceless.
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JV
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 08:30 am:   

My jaw dropped over the whole post-fight business. I always have though Judah was a punk and someone who didn't deserve the talent he'd been given. This fight just confirmed it.

JeffV
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 04:24 pm:   

Yeah, Dave, Don K almost came across as sympathetic.

And the announcer basically telling King to shutup and wait his turn to speak.


---

I loved those flying aerial mouthpiece shots!

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 06:10 pm:   

I guess I'm just not into thinking that anyone who climbs through the ropes and goes 12 against someone who's been trained and conditioned to kill you is a punk. Judah is an idiot, but a punk....?
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 12:19 am:   

Whatever Judah may be I think we all agree that he's history!

His is a long road to redemption.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:29 am:   

Wrong, Judah's got a huge fan base in the Northeast, which is the seat of the boxing establishment. He was, until this fight, the undisputed welterweight champ. Either Baldomir will defend against a Mayweather for millions, Hatton for millions, or give Judah a rematch for millions--He's looking for retirement money. One way or another, Judah will fight for the title again. I doubt he has the focus to deal with Hatton, Mayweather will slaughter him, and he'll beat Baldomir. So he's due to make some more money....
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 04:51 pm:   

I wonder if Baldomir will barnstorm a couple of soft defenses back home before his big payday. It would be kind of interesting if he lured one of the big names to HIS backyard. He'd still lose, but it might be a sizable attraction in Argentina.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 05:02 pm:   

Everything is subject to change.

But Baldomir gave the impression that he wouldn't rematch with Judah.

There were statements made by the announcers during the fight that Baldomir was only interested in two or three more fights and then retiring.

I agree that Mayweather would outbox him any day of the week.

But if Baldomir could take his punches and just keep bunnying on then Mayweather might tire and become vulnerable.

And Baldomir really looks like he's ready to fuck you up. He's intense and just keeps coming. But nothing to talk about in terms of style...

And Dave he'd probably feel better afterwards if he took your approach.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 05:47 pm:   

If I was managing him, set him up with a couple of local tomato cans in Buenos Aires, then rent out the biggest soccer stadium in B.A. and rematch with Judah for the undisputed title.

If I win, I'm a hero. If it's close, I might get a hometown decision. If I lose, I retire rich.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:01 pm:   

Isn't it beyond ironic that he didn't pay the fee(s) and take the titles the first time around?

It's a damn shame that folk wouldn't even bet on the guy.

I guess my heart goes out to him because seemingly everyone thought that he was going to lose and nobody was willing to really back him financially. Surely someone could have paid the fees so he could have taken all three titles.

Now I'm not saying that he's a great boxer and it certainly wasn't a great fight in terms of skill.

But it was the night of the turtle and the hare improbably lost...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:04 pm:   

C'mon, man. Mayweather would hit Baldomir with so many clean punches in the first few rounds, he'd think down was up. No matter how tough you are, you get hit with clean shots, you're eventually going to sleep.

And Dave, there are no soft defenses for a guy like Baldomir. He's a journeyman with nine losses and he's self-admittedly near the end. He got lucky and now he's got a two-three million dollar opportunity. He better go straight for the money, cause if he fucks around, he's liable to get beat for chump change.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:26 pm:   

I would like to agree that Mayweather wouldn't have any difficulties with Baldomir.

But we've seen a number of upsets and really a lot of playing around by overconfident boxers.

Presumably Mayweather would come to box.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:40 pm:   

Baldomir is so far below Floyd in ability, Floyd could be talking on the phone to his stockbroker while fighting.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:59 pm:   

But isn't that the problem?

Floyd will dance around with his hands down and find his pants down on the canvas.

It shouldn't happen.

And isn't this sort of a recent phenomenon in recent years where clearly superior fighters will put their hands down time and time again?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:17 pm:   

When have you seen Floyd drop his hands? When have you seen him come into the ring unprepared...and don't say against Castillo, because Castillo is a very, very good fighter who beat Floyd in the first fight and lost a clear but fairly close decision in the rematch. Floyd is arrogant, a bad guy, all that, but he doesn't come into the ring unprepared.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:30 pm:   

I agree.

But strange things seem to happen in boxing. So I'm maintaining the ultra remote possibility that Floyd might fool around in the ring.

In terms of keeping their hands down I was thinking of Roy Jones, Jr and that other one handed "wonder" the Prince...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 08:08 pm:   

There's a great difference between Jones and Hamed. Jones is a future Hall of Famer and Hamed is...not. Ali held his hands low (as did Jones, Hearns, Whittaker) because it was part of his style. They relied on reflexes and intimidation. Hamed was a joke, he had power, but the first live body he fought took him apart.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 08:36 pm:   

re: hands down

It's one thing to goad and win.

It's another to goad and go down.

It depends on the opponent as to what may happen. But it's asking for trouble.

And the difference as you mention is that Jones was able to beat more of his opponents.

But whose got the bigger ego?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 09:26 pm:   

Who cares? Jones was by far the better fighter. The point I'm making, which seems to elude you, is that there's a tradition in boxing of very talented unorthodox fighters who relied chiefly on their reflexes. Ali, Whittaker, etc. These are men whose decline was usually swift once their reflexes failed them. Jones was such a fighter. Blazing speed, brilliant technique, reflexes. Hamed had the speed, but he never had the reflexes. A shot Kevin Kelly knocked him down three times for Christ's sakes. And he certainly never had the technique. He was going to lose to the first live body he fought, and Barrera happened to be the lucky guy, He was untutored, unskilled, only fast. There's no comparison between him and Jones.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:02 am:   

It's just probability to me. Keeping 'em up wouldn't have overcome all of their other deficiencies (with Hamed having the greater number). It's providing an opportunity for the opponent and sooner or later you're going to either slow down or meet a faster opponent. Or a misestimation of your opponent.

I mention Jones and Hamed together not because they're identical in skills but because they've chosen to engage in ring antics. (Jones putting his arms down and inviting the punch.) Sure it's part of his strategy but to me it's insulting. He might as well spit on his opponent.

Clearly it's a preference on my part but I think of the influence that Jones has or could have on other present/future fighters. They may not pull it off so well. I'd rather they took a page from Winky than a dance lesson with Roy.

Roy chose to fight that way. He could have kept his hands up more. But evidently was more interested in other things such as that shoulder shrugging routine.

Hamed is an even more extreme example. Given that when the time came he couldn't take a punch that (to me) emphasizes just how much he should have kept his hands up and not relied on a dodgeball defense strategy. And fought lighter, weaker opponents.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:28 am:   

As for Ali he was all over the ring during his career :-)

Fortunately today we don't see that many matches that stress a rope burning technique.

But the "I am a punching bag" approach does seem to have become more popular.

So to generalize I'd rather not see fighters just take punches and not avoid or make an effort to block them.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 04:34 am:   

Wow. We don't see people lay on the ropes today? How about Toney, how about almost every heavyweight? Sheesh.

Roy, Whittaker, et al were brilliant fighters who fought with attitude. Sure they insulted people, but all you had to do to shut then up was beat 'em. Actually Roy didn't do much of that until he got to be a lightheavy and was fighting men much bigger and stronger than him. His prime was at middle and super middle, and he didn't showboat much at those weights. It became part of his style at light heavy, partly because he was trying to intimidate these bigger men. He was only five-eight and had a very small frame, and he needed an edge. I saw Jones five or six times live, and he did things in the ring that were just incredible, that you can't see on TV...things with balance and athleticism. To lump him with Hamed is entirely inappropriate. Guys like Ali and Jones don't influence many, because most people can't do what they did. He did not dance, he occasionaly dissed his opponent with a gesture or an expression. Hamed was a clown, who entered the ring on a palanquin, etc. He was vaudeville, Jones was ballet.

By contrast, Winky Wright is a clever, safety first fighter who could bore the warts off a witch.

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PM
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:00 pm:   

These days it's pretty easy to forget that there's a heavyweight division.

My irritation with Jones is more recent. I'm thinking that if he had continued to win that he would have continued to exhibit these irritating traits. In fact I tend to think that it would have increased. I see that as moving away from boxing.

I don't consider dancing as being exclusive to one's feet which is why I consider that shoulder shrugging thing he does as dancing. It would be entirely appropriate on a dance floor.

I'm not suggesting that Jones would have reached Hamed's buffoonery. Hamed has Jones beat in that area.

But I'm inclined to believe that if Jones had continued to win and especially if he was winning effortlessly that he would have resorted to more superflous shenanigans.

Plus I'd have to hear him yak...

While Winky isn't exactly the most active fighter he does box. And the matches I see it's becoming more rare that TWO people are in the ring boxing throughout. So yeah give me more boring boxing and less clowning, head butting, tackling, rabbit punching, running around the ring hands down.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:19 pm:   

Winky can box, but I've never seen him in fight. I like boxing as much as anyone, but I like guys who go after their opponent, guys like Morales, Mark Johnson, Roy Jones at middleweight...

So you're hammering on Jones for what you think he would have done. Presumably that makes sense in some alternate universe,
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:32 pm:   

Saw a couple of previews with the movie today. V For Vendetta which looked pretty bad, with the Wachowski Bros. And the American remake of Pulse which looked like...the American remake of Pulse.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 06:44 pm:   

C'mon while we may not be in exact ideological agreement here you're at least partially admitting that Jones was "better" in earlier days.

I think that we'd both agree that if he hadn't moved up that he would have continued to reign, right?

I think that we both agree that he didn't lose his boxing skill. Sure age and wear and tear take their toll too.

Maybe I'm completely wrong but to some extent I think that he would have become bored in the ring and with an ever expanding ego it would have led to increased showboating.

And I did thrill in earlier days to the Jones.

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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 01:37 pm:   

Whether it's his fault or that of the other camps that didn't want to face him, RJJ's downfall was that he did not have a foil. He did not have a great, equally talented opponent to fight epic wars with. His attempt to create something like this synergy with Tarver came far too late in his career.

If only Jones and Toney had kept fighting as they moved up. That would have been interesting.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 01:59 pm:   

Did you see their first fight? That only qualified as interesting in that everybody thought Tony was the shit, and Jones won every round.

Better days...
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 07:37 am:   

Hi, everyone. I've been waiting for commentary on last weekend's De la Hoya fight. What's everybody waiting for? Don't tell me you guys are spending all your time on your real work or something. . . help us poor schmoes who are sitting here bored at our desks with nothing better to do than read the comments of a bunch of SF/fantasy writers hacked off about the sorry state of the sweet science.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 08:30 am:   

I didn't buy it. I wasn't going to pay $50 to watch a sorry bigmouth who hadn't beaten anybody in three years. So, I was waiting to comment until the replay this wknd. Then, we can talk Hatton-Collazzo as well.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 09:02 am:   

De la Hoya looked sharp, but he was in with the perfect opponent to look sharp against. Mayorga is nothing but a punching bag for anyone who throws combinations. On the undercard, I was greatly inpressed with Joan Guzman, who was moving up to 130 fron 122, Guzman is a tremendously athletic fighter, quick, with catlike moves...He didn't show much power but had seventeen KOs in 23 fights and has the frame to develop power at 130.
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 09:33 am:   

Thanks, guys. The way the commentators on our local sports radio here in New Orleans were talking, the De la Hoya fight was the reincarnation of Sugar Ray Robinson-Jake LaMotta or some such. So of course I wanted to hear what Big Lucius has to say.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:00 am:   

Sugar Ray, who I detest, would have chewed Oscar up.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:18 am:   

Why do you detest Sugar Ray?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:54 am:   

Oops. I thought Andy wrote Sugar Ray Leonard
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 01:20 pm:   

More understandable, but just outta curiousity, why SRL?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 01:21 pm:   

I only ask because I've been accused by the Bucket of being a Sugar Ray hater for saying his post-Hagler career was only mediocre.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 02:07 pm:   

He never gave Hearns a rematch in his prime. He never gave Duran a rematch in his prime. He was a punk. Etc,
Bucket and I, BTW, are quits.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 02:28 pm:   

I hope this isn't going to effect our Seagal field trip with Denise...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 03:05 pm:   

Well, no,,,but something else might,
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 06:17 am:   

Uh oh...Like...?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 07:30 am:   

I may have a teaching gig that week. 5K. Can't afford to turn it down if the other teacher drops out
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 08:30 am:   

Hey, Lucius, if you DO end up dropping out, I'll happily take leave from my job to work a week for those bucks. In these post-Katrina days, I can use the $$$.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 09:00 am:   

Damn filthy lucre...It's the root of all evil.
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 09:18 am:   

No, a spouse's nagging is the root of all evil. . . and the lack of "filthy lucre" leads to nagging.

&;^)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 01:55 pm:   

Lucius, $5000 won't buy you the chance to bask in the enlightened presence of a Buddhist tulku. When you're reincarnated as a wild boar, don't say we didn't warn you...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 06:27 pm:   

Andy, it's I who may have to step into the breach, not the other way around.

Dave, I would wild boar than the other way around,
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PM
Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 08:52 pm:   

Big Bear has spoken :-)

Some souls surely will appreciate the teachins' of Lucius.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 07:56 am:   

So, was anyone else unimpressed by Ricky Hatton?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 09:42 am:   

I wasn't. He came out with a win in his first welter fight against a very good and determined opponent. I suppose it depends on one's expectations--I never expected he'd be competition for PBF, but I think he beats Cotto and some of the rest. I thought of him as a very good fighter with a short shelf life and that hasn't changed.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 09:50 am:   

I thought he was way too easy to hit. The way Collazo tagged him in the 12th; if he wasn't a 50% knockout-percentage puncher, Hatton might have been TKO'd. And the usual rapturous buildup from the HBO boys didn't help.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:39 am:   

It was his first welter fight. Like he said afterward, if he stays at the weight, he'll get better. Most people felt going in that Collazo would be a problem. Didn't you?

I don't pay attention to those HBO assholes...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:54 am:   

Truthfully, I didn't know anything about Collazo before the fight. But I would say his stock rose in defeat.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:55 am:   

Did you notice that the HBO shills were already very carefully planting the seeds of a Hatton-Gatti showdown? They were practically salivating.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:58 am:   

Oh yeah. PPV.
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PM
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 02:23 pm:   

I can understand them salivating --- it's their careers.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 02:31 pm:   

Pro droolers?

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