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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:36 am:   

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Breaking news, Minz!

Just heard on the radio that Barry Alvarez is stepping down as Wisconsin head coach!

What's going on here??? Did you see this coming?

Press conference at 2pm.
   By Lucius on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:06 am:

Wow. That's unreal news. Thanks, John.
   By Lucius on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:16 am:

ESPN news doesn't have anything about this and googling brings up nothing....
   By Deborah on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:18 am:

This just popped up on Madison.Com...


Alvarez expected to step aside as coach WSJ

UW Athletic Department officials have called a news conference for 1 p.m. today to address the dual-role status of football coach and athletic director Barry Alvarez.

Sources indicated Alvarez will relinquish his job as the Badgers' coach to become full-time athletic director at UW. He is expected to outline a timetable for his transition to that role, but it was unclear whether he will name his successor as coach or when he will step down.

Defensive coordinator Bret Bielema and co-offensive coordinator Paul Chryst are the top on-staff candidates to replace Alvarez as football coach.

Sources said Alvarez and his family will be in attendance at today's news conference.
   By Deborah on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:21 am:

Maybe Forrest can get one of those hats with a card in the front that says "Press" and hot foot it over to the stadium for us...
   By Minz on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:25 am:

http://www.jsonline.com/badger/fb/jul05/344403.asp

Wasn't there at 5:30 this morning, when I'm usually up with Rachel, checking out the sports pages.

This one names just Bielema, but I gotta think Chryst is in the running as well, and Barry is going to use this season to figure out which should get the job.
   By Minz on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:27 am:

I expected this, but I expected it after this season. I figured Barry was bringing Chryst in with the idea he'd be a talented young innovator to replace him.

Then again, it makes sense. It'll be an up-and-down rough year, so both coaches get a chance to show their mettle. Plus, expectations will be lower for the new coach after such a rough year.
   By Lucius on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:29 am:

This isn't gonna be a sweet last season!
   By Deborah on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:30 am:

Yeah, it was probably a good idea to announce this now, before the season starts, so there weren't rumors flying and it didn't look like he was forced out if they have a real rough year...
   By Lucius on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:34 am:

True. Pretty smart. I'm going to start a new thread. ESPN news conference at 11 PCT.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

Adding thought that was crossposted with the thread move:
He's taking it on his own chin and thinking like an AD. Give his successor an easier time of it, he's already won three Rose Bowls in the last 12 years, and he knows the last season won't tarnish his legacy. Class act all the way.

Of course, Barry never had to be worried about being forced out. He coulda pulled a Joepa for a decade before the heat would've been turned on. But opposing teams do love to start rumors, especially for the sake of recruiting, so it is good he's making it clear early on. And at season's end, he can name his successor and move right into recruiting. Should help with wooing QBs already.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 10:50 am:   

I think he should retire as AD, too. His image hamstrings the program. I wasn't kidding a few days ago when I said UW was acquring the west coast offense just when DCs were starting to figure it out...and that's why the hottest coaches like Meyer and Hawkins et al are coaching mutated versions of it.
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 11:56 am:   

I kind of expected this too, but not as quickly as it happened. Why isn't my name on the list, I wonder? Pssh. Elitists!

The question, Lucius, is whether or not Big Ten DCs are figuring it out. I don't think so.

Anyway, this coaching thing could get interesting. I'm sure there are some weeping fans out there right now.

I'm not one of them. It's a good time for a change.
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 12:01 pm:   

Looks like it's Bielema:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2118728
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 12:10 pm:   

Is that infectious Bielema or the leprosy-like ailment that isn't contagious?

Seriously, I think the BADgets missed a bet. They should have gone after Dan Hawkins or someone who could really jump them ahead of the other coaches in the Big Ten...
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 02:27 pm:   

I'm not disagreeing with you, Lucius, but let's not jump too hard on Bret yet. Plenty of time for that after he screws it all up.

Actually, I do think he's an up-and-comer. Did a great job at Kan St. And if Chryst is given the reins of the offense, which seems inevitable now, this is a team with very real young fb guru appeal. Not too many BT schools with that.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 02:30 pm:   

Let's not jump on Bret just yet. Plenty of time for that after he screws everything up.

Seriously, Bielema has a strong resume for someone his age, and Chryst will undoubtedly be given the full reins of the offense no later than next season, with the transition happening this year. (Bye,bye OC Vanilla White). Those two have very good track records both as coaches and recruiters. I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach.

And of course Barry stays on as AD. For the booster money alone, much less the legitimacy he brings. Always been a big picture, gravitas guy who delegates. Well suited for AD.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 02:36 pm:   

Oh, yeah, wait-and-see's what you've been doing forever and what you still will be doing when you're ninety. God dang it, you'll be saying. That's Barry ALarez III is real comer! He's got the right stuff, he does.

They. Missed.A. Chance. They could have hired a Petrino, a Hawkins, that guy from Wyoming, someone who really would juice up the offense and bring excitement to the program, not just more wait-and-see.....
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 03:49 pm:   

Who's to say Chryst isn't going to jazz up the offense?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 04:06 pm:   

I;m sure he will. Aren't you following me? I'm saying a hire like Hawkins would send more of a signal to recruits, etc, that this was a real change. And hiring an innovator rather than some guy who's gonna install the west coasr offense, that would have jumped the BADgers ahead of the other schools in the conference, given them a shot at dominance. Things may work out with Bulemia and Chryst, but IMO taking a chance is how a program can make a quantum leap. What I'm saying is, things may work out as it stands, but there's a good chance they won't work out as well as they would have with Hawkins et al.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 06:32 pm:   

TSN reports that Texas is the early leader in '06 recruiting....
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 06:34 pm:   

Isn't that always the case? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 07:11 pm:   

And this will doubtless excite a certain panther. Pitt is #10 on the early recruiting list.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 08:43 pm:   

By the bye, I'm about to step outta town for a while, so don't take my silence as acquiescence. (That means you, Mr. Shepard) I may manage to poke my head in here upon occasion, otherwise, talk to y'all in a coupla weeks.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:18 pm:   

Ah....Acquiesence!!!! :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 06:34 am:   

"TSN reports that Texas is the early leader in '06 recruiting...."

Perhaps it will translate into #1 in the BCS.

Yeah, I'm still clinging to my delusions.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 09:36 am:   

But we haven't given Chryst a chance to "juice up the offense" yet. I would think a big switch in head coach coming right after a big switch in offensive style (and it's going to be a big switch, from everything I'm hearing) might unsettle some potential new recruits as much as it would excite some. So much change might just be too freaky for a kid coming out of high school who thought he knew what badger football was about.

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Deborah
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 09:58 am:   

I think you don't have to look much further than Nebraska to see what happens when you try to shake things up too much.

There's been all this emphasis on the change coming at Pitt, but really, Wannstedt is a return to Pitt's roots. If you look back twenty-five years, Walt Harris was the experiment, not the standard.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 11:34 am:   

. . . and I am so glad that Nebraska has been shaken. But I've seen people pick them to win the Big XII North. Are they really that good?

Big XXIIers, how do they look? Besides dumb and criminal . . .
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Deborah
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 12:03 pm:   

cfn.com has Pitt favored over them by 3 in Lincoln, for what that's worth.

They've got a young secondary that can be beat. It seems like the offense is probably still going to be streaky...Josh?

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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 07:05 pm:   

You guys are missing my point? Are you happy with being an occasional contender for the Big Ten title, and never contending for an NC? Then forget I spoke. Long live Bulemia and Chryst. Sure, you take a chance by making a radical change, but what, really, are you risking? Kind of upper middle class mediocrity. You're never going to get the five star recruits as is. But hire a Petrino or a Hawkins and you just might get a few--even if you don't, Spurrier never had a blue chipper at Qb, but look what his hire did for Fla. Like I said if you're happy with where you are, hey, live it up. If it were me, I'd be yelling at the AD. It's an old boy move. With Bulemia, Alvarez keeps his hand on the program and Chryst is always gonna have a govermor on him, keeping it on the conservative side.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 05:25 am:   

Forrest - I think that's an indication of how weak the Big12 North is as opposed to how great the Huskers are. OU, Texas, Texas Tech, and A*M all would have won the North last year.
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Forrest
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 05:35 pm:   

Interesting. Do you see that changing in the next few years? ie, are there any up-and-coming teams with strong recruiting classes that look like they can develop into something strong from the north, or is it just going to be pathetic no matter how hard they recruit?
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 09:58 am:   

I feel like it's a toss-up at this point. Somebody has to emerge as a power, but I can't tell you who it will be.

I thought Missouri was an up-and-comer a year ago, but having a superstar QB didn't solve enough of their problems. Same thing with Iowa State -- three years ago they were a team to fear but they've fallen off quite a bit.

Kansas is typically a bottom of the barrel team, but they showed flashes last year. Mangino's coaching has made a difference. They only won 4 games last year, but they lost all but one of those by a very slim margin, including a last minute loss to Texas that could have easily gone the other way.

That leaves the 3 "traditional" powers of the North, KState, Colorado and Nebraska. I think KState has peaked. I feel like they've had downward momentum for the last couple of years. It'll be interesting to see if they can start back up the ladder. Colorado is a total crap shoot. They could win the conference or wind up in jail -- take your pick.

So, if I was gambling, I'd say Nebraska will rise to the top quicker than the others, if for no other reason than the fans won't allow them to live outside the top 25 for long. If Callahan's system doesn't take off NOW, I think there will be an overwhelming sentiment to return to the glory days. Three yards and a cloud of dust.

That's my long-winded way of saying, beats me.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 10:01 am:   

Here's the record last year for the North. Pretty sad when a conference record of 4-4 wins.

Colorado 4-4 8-5
Iowa State 4-4 7-5
Nebraska 3-5 5-6
Missouri 3-5 5-6
Kansas 2-6 4-7
Kansas State 2-6 4-7

By comparison, here are the standings for the South.

Oklahoma 8-0 12-1
Texas 7-1 11-1
Texas A&M 5-3 7-5
Texas Tech 5-3 8-4
Oklahoma State 4-4 7-5
Baylor 1-7 3-8


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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:09 pm:   

"So, if I was gambling, I'd say Nebraska will rise to the top quicker than the others"

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :-(
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:11 pm:   

Ew, I see what you mean. those in-conference records are pretty craptacular.

But I'm still sticking with my hunch and saying Iowa State takes it all . . .
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:12 pm:   

On the rumor front, I hear that Boise State is considering making a move to the Mountain West, since the WAC only has crappy bowl affiliations. They'd make a great addition, if it were to happen.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:47 pm:   

I didn't realize K State had sunk to the absolute bottom. Guess the moral of the story is teams that play soft non-conf opposition crumble more quickly.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 04:54 am:   

I like to complain about ESPN doing this bullshit thing with Bryan Adams (yack!), playing his dumbass song, Life is an Open Road (yeah, tell that stori in Niger, Eritrea, etc) fifty times a sportscenter. Sportscenter's become a joke, more like a variety show than a sports report, with features iike Fact or Fiction and the Budweiser Hot Seat, but Bryan Adams that acne-scarred little freak is a new low. I hate the fucking sound of the guy;s electronically enhanced voice! This whole thing with jock rock is an abomination....

And now they're putting Holz on camera on Saturdays. Aren't Trev Albert and Lee Corso horror enough? Have you heard Lou's tagline? "I'm here for the fans." It's causes me a shudder. Lou's here....for you! hahahahahahaha....
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:41 am:   

I read in one of the trade rags a long time ago that they were going to experiment with live bands on Sportscenter. Guess we can be glad they drew a line in the sand somewhere. Can you imagine Stuart Scott "getting down" with Bowling For Soup as he counts down the leaderboard for the Buick Open?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:36 am:   

They've drawn a line in the sand? I don't think so. If I have to hear how Darius Rucker's such a pal of John Daily one more time....
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:08 am:   

Uh, Dave. It's not Sportscenter, but I was flipping the channels several months ago and Bowling for Soup was playing on ESPN2. The Cold Pizza show, I think...

My biggest problem with ESPN now is that they feature competitive eating as a sport. There are people who make their living "calling" these "games."
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:47 am:   

I was just being funny. I didn't realize they really had Bowling for Soup on! Oh, the humanity!

I really think they were kicking around the idea of doing it on SC, also. Wouldn't surprise me, since "The Ultimate Highlight" is basically a big beer commercial anyway...

Yeah, the Alka Seltzer US Open of Competitive Eating was a new low in non-sports sports programming, right up there with cheerleading and "timbersports." I watched some of it. It was utterly revolting, yet strangely compelling TV. I'll tell you something else, after the fact I overheard a lot of people talking about how disgusting it was. They hated it, but they watched. Kind of like "Dancing With The Stars..." :-) Personally, I watched the cheese fries round, but drew the line at spaghetti bolognese. There are some things that don't belong on television.
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 12:17 pm:   

I don't watch ESPN at all - unless there's a game on. I can get the info I need from their website (and a few others) without having to put up with their drivel. Plus I can do it on my own time.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 12:30 pm:   

Espn has a decent pre-game show. I just watch Sportscenter while I'm working -- I don't spend much time on websites, especially since I started having trouble with my eyes.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 01:11 pm:   

I only caught a snippet of the eating contest. The announcer was explaining how one of the contestants had a large esophagus...I quickly changed channels.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 02:03 pm:   

The best part was when they were explaining the disqualification rule for the "reversal of fortune," an event they never explained, but probably didn't need to.

One big tubby guy very nearly had a reversal of fortune on camera, which I think would have been something of a TV sports milestone.

But, hey, it was still more entertaining than watching mooks play cards...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 02:12 pm:   

Uh, I'll take the mooks playing cards.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 03:17 pm:   

I'm delighted to announce the commitment of Myron Rolle, third ranked player in the land, to the U. Rolle, biilled as an athlete, is supposed to be a superiod DB to Samari and Antrej. Also committing to the flower among universities, three other player ranked in the top hundred, defensive tackle Josh Holmes, WR Sam Shield, and QB Pat Devlin, who is described as Ken Dorsey wiith an arm. I know you all share my happiness.
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 07:10 pm:   

Which U is that, Lucius? I forget . . . :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 07:20 pm:   

You wish you could forget! :-)

On Miami, on Miami....fight right through that line....

:-) :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 06:10 am:   

Yeah, I do wish I could forget. Then again, we don't have the Redhawks on our schedule for a while. It is impressive, though, that a team out of the MAC could pull so many top-notch recruits, especially with Ohio State recruiting out of their back yard. Amazing . . .
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 06:42 am:   

The redhawks lost all credibility when they changed their name. You don't have the canes on your schedule, either, and I kinda doubt you ever will....unless the BADgers are fated to meet them in a bowl. We'll just look forward to that, shall we? :-)

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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:56 am:   

The rich just keep getting richer, unfortunately.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:57 am:   

I'd like to see the canes and the BADgers play each other. It would be an interesting match between two very different teams, stylistically speaking. For that matter, I'd love to see Wisconsin play FL as well.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:14 am:   

"I'd like to see the cane and the BADgers play each other...."

No you wouldn't. :-)

Speaking of Fla, there;s so much resentment against Urban Meyer among SEC coaches, the coaches voted the Vandy qb as their preseason all-conference pick. Believe me. there's no comparison between him and Chris Leak.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:33 am:   

OK, so I'm a political lefty, but this is ridiculous:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2125735

. . . so stupid it makes me laugh. I can't wait to see a stadium full of FSU fans with black bars across their t-shirts and baseball caps. Not to mention the cheerleaders sporting black bars on their chests.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:52 am:   

CFN says that "insiders" are claiming that Brett Bielema is the next Urban Meyer. I don't know exactly what that's supposed to mean, but someone "in the know" has a very high opinion of him, apparently.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:09 am:   

No, I really would like to see the canes and the BADgers play. I'm not so stupid as to think the BADgers would win, but I'd like to see the two different playing styles (outside of winning vs losing) against each other. This is why I really dig out of conference games. There are always a few surprises. Plus, I'm sick of wussy non-con matchups. I want to see some REAL games early on (by the way, Wisconsin plays V-tech in '08).
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:25 am:   

Va Tech-Wisc should be interesting.

As much as I hate fsu, the Seminole thing is stupid, especially wihen you consided the Seminoles have endorced the use of the name--we're gonna smarten up them savages whether they want it or not.

Bilema's the next Urban Meyer--he's a defensive guy, right. He moved up from DC to head coach. They have nothing in common.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:55 am:   

What about William and Mary? Don't they have "Tribe" on the side of their helmets? Would "Assemblage of Indigenous Peoples" even fit?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   

The Aips.... AIPs :-)

Not PC
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:17 pm:   

Only for evolutionists. In Virginia, it could fly!

I never really understood the whole flap. I mean, I can understand a nickname that is, in fact, demeaning, such as "Redskins." Or maybe something that implies a warlike nature, like "Fighting Sioux." But why should naming yourself after a particular tribe be necessarily derogatory? Calling yourself "Seminoles" or "Chippewas" is just identifying yourself with a particular socio-ethnic group. How is it any worse than calling yourself "Quakers" or "Sooners" (itself originally a derogatory term, I understand) or "Fighting Irish" or "Cowboys" or "Trojans"?

And while we're on the subject, why doesn't anybody ever get on the Kansas City Chiefs' case?
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:28 pm:   

The NCAA doesn't even know what it's talking about. Why aren't the Iowa Hawkeyes forced to change their name?

From 50States.com:

Iowa
The “Hawkeye State” was first suggested by James G. Edwars as a tribute to indian leader Chief Black Hawk.
source: State Names, Seals, Flags, and Symbols by Benjamin F. Shearer, Barbara S. Shearer
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:30 pm:   

Well, it;s not that it's not worse....

It;s not even bad...esp when no one objects except third parties...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:33 pm:   

I think Florida State should change its name to "The Spineless NCAA Bureaucrats."
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 03:13 pm:   

Or "evil butt-spawn of Bowden".

Has a certain ring to it, y'know.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 03:13 pm:   

Or: "slightly less criminal than Nebraska".
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 03:35 pm:   

What did they change their name to--I can't access the aricle.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 04:50 pm:   

The article doesn't say. It just lists all the teams with Indian nicknames. For the most part, I think it's a tempest in a teapot, since most of the really offensive ones (St. John's Redmen, for example) have already been changed. But some Oklahoma school's nickname is the Savages. I can see someone getting pissed about that.

Maybe FSU will be open to suggestions. How about the "Wide-Righters"?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 05:04 pm:   

Yah, that's good.

The soft boys
the punks
the yellow-bellied sapsuckers....

something....
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 05:13 pm:   

If anyone has a right to be pissed, it's Nebraskans. Can you imagine going through life being called a "cornhusker"?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 07:12 pm:   

Here's some stuff:

If Joepa doesn't win this year, his replacement will be Tom O'Brien of BC
When Lloyd Carr steps down, they're grooming Bobby Petrino to be his replacement....

(see, Forest. I told you you'd be sorry!)
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 06:52 am:   

Ah, crummy! Adam Weber, the hot QB prospect out of MN, has gone to the Gophers. Now I'm *really* hoping we can land Mike Hartline. Weber looked really good, and he was deciding between the gophers and the BADgers. Now we'll have to play against him, and he's got moves.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 08:12 am:   

Sorry. With Bobby P in conference, you're gonna need a QB, but often these guys will wait for one to decide then go to the other place. Good luck with Hartline...
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 08:51 am:   

Yeah, I wonder if Alvarez's move didn't put Weber off.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 09:10 am:   

Could have done. Can't worry about that now.
All you can say, Go BADgers Beat Va Tech!
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 06:14 am:   

Horns reported to school yesterday. All is right with the world.
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:45 am:   

Yeah, TCU is going to be interesting to watch this year, huh, Josh? :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:48 am:   

The closer we get to the season, the more I think that the BADgers aren't going to make a bowl game. I've got a bad feeling about this . . . :-(
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:51 am:   

I think they could lose a bunch of games. BG is key.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:09 am:   

Yeah, big TCU fan... ;p
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:27 am:   

Sorry Josh, couldn't resist. Well, could've, but didn't.

At least Texas won't be getting confused with other BAD teams like the BADgers might this year.

I went on a message board where some Wisconsin faithful was leading the cheerleading section for Stocco, saying that other QBs didn't shine until their junior season. But then he mentioned Navarre as a "great QB", and I lost all confidence in anything the guy said.

Man, I hope the Cougars are good this year. I need a winning team on most saturdays or I won't make it through the season. Pitt looks good . . . maybe I'll have to be a wannabe Pitt fan for a while. Of course, there's always Boise State.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:42 am:   

Well, you can expect a big smiley for that. But why align yourself with a mid-major? I'm not suggesting you become a fan of the Canes, but there must be some quality program you can associate yourself with. Nebraska, perhaps, or the resurgent Golden Domers. :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:43 am:   

Urge to kill rising, Rising, RISING . . . aaah, falling . . . RISING!
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:45 am:   

Seriously, though, I can just watch Nebraska and ND get beat, and I'd be happy. I don't care who beats them, so long as they get beat. Yeah - negativity - I think I'll take a long slow drink of negativity directed at the cornholers and the false Irish. That feels much better. What do I care if my teams win, so long as they lose? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:59 am:   

Exactly my point. Be true to your school. I was Miami fan long before they rose to prominence and suffered through losing season after losing season.. In the end, my faith was rewarded. And I learned to consider an ND or Nebraska or FSU loss part of Gods plan.
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:34 pm:   

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the Florida State S*******s, as they have now been dubbed by the NCAA. Love to see them lose too!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:44 pm:   

What are they to be called?

No jokes... :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 10:19 am:   

Hmm? Sorry, I don't follow you. Feeling a touch dense right now.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 10:22 am:   

What's the Seminoles' new name? Are they getting a new name?
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 10:37 am:   

Nah, I'm just saying with the NCAA censorship, you won't see the name "Seminioles" anywhere around, just "S********s" - which could easily be mistaken for S***heads, if you don't count your stars right . . . :-)
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 10:48 am:   

In typical NCAA fashion, the rule says the teams can't display mascot names or images that are deemed "hostile or abusive" *during NCAA post-season competitions.* Of course, in football where there is no play-off or tournament, so there are no games which fit the rule.

It's supposed to take effect Feb 1.

So it won't effect this football season and with the number of lawsuits likely to be filed, it may be a while before it has any effect.

This is typical Myles Brand BS -- come out with a big press fury over some alleged reform which turns out to be something utterly stupid and pointless. I can't believe they extended that dumb-ass' contract for another two years.

My suggestion is that FSU immediately begin calling themselves The Seminals.






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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 10:57 am:   

And what about teams names after violent weather events that do untold millions of dollars worth of property damage and take innocent lives every year? Cyclones? Red Storm? Ahem, Hurricanes? Now, I ask you, is this sensitive to the trailer-dwelling fans?

And what about teams that are named after Who-Knows-What that make me feel stupid because I don't know what they are? Hoyas? Hokies? Hoosiers? Sooners? WTF are these things? Making me feel stupid is insensitive, too, and it should be against the rools.

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:09 am:   

Thanks, Deborah. Actually, Seminals is to good for them. What their fans call them, ie, the Noles, is actually incredibly appropriate. Sounds like a race of troglodytes. If ever anyone was a nole, it's a Bowden.

Actually Sooner was a pejorative term at one time.

I know you're kidding, but for the record a hokie is a turkey, hoyas are a kind of dog, as are Salukis, a hoosier is a small rubber tractor part. :-)

In closing, I celebrate Miles Brand's ability to
act in this regard. Bravo.

Ps-- there's a movement afoot to change the Canes' name to the Balmy Breezes. Let all get behind it, shall we?
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:13 am:   

Huh. And here's me thinking a Hoya is a crack dealer's girlfriend.

Thanks for that clarification.

Miami BBs...I like it!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:17 am:   

"And here's me thinking a Hoya is a crack dealer's girlfriend. "

It's a natural mistake.

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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:23 am:   

In an expanded effort not to offend anyone, the Texas Longhorns will now be named the Texas Horns of a Very Appropriate Size, No Larger or Smaller than Anyone Else's Horns, We Promise.

In turn, that other Big 12 team will be named the Oklahoma Earlier Than Some, Later Than Others.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:28 am:   

"...the Texas Longhorns will now be named the Texas Horns of a Very Appropriate Size, No Larger or Smaller than Anyone Else's Horns, We Promise."

That's really not necessary, Josh. :-)
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:35 am:   

Josh, you're a true gentlemen.

And, Forrest, will we be calling your team the GOODgers?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   

I think rather than go the GOODgers route, they might go for something squeaky clean, like the Wisconsin Beatles or Beach Boys....

And the Panthers? Do they change to, simply, The 'Hers? No mention of possibly offensive gender specific clothing (Pant)? :-)
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Deborah
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 12:58 pm:   

I think the real worry there is that "Panthers" might be construed as a celebration of carnivorous predators...I'm afraid we'll have to go with something less threatening...some kind of herbivores...Zebras or Giraffes, maybe. Or Groundhogs.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 01:48 pm:   

Not to be too far behind on the times with the thread, but picking up on Josh's observation about KState--they started sinkin (& stinkin) just about the same time that Barry Alvarez stole away their DC and Head of Recruiting, some guy by the name of Bret Bielema. I'm not saying BB is the beall endall, but he was part of Iowa's resurgence, coaching under Hayden Fry and Ferentz (and Ferentz was a buddy, buddy hire that's worked incredibly well), then going over to K State and coaching some great defenses over there. I'm okay with BB getting a shot. I think it could work out. You just don't know.

And I don't think it's feasible to expect UW to instantly supplant OSU & UM as the best recruiter in the Big Ten just because of a head coaching hire; it just doesn't work that way. Those two have got too many years of history, and a lot more homegrown talent instate than UW could ever match. It doesn't mean they can't be serious contenders, it just means they have a smaller margin of error on the recruiting scene. Heck, the only time the Badgers were supposedly on a level playing field with OSU & UM, right after back-to-back Rose Bowl wins (still the only BT team to ever accomplish that feat), UW ended up losing out on the big blue-chip race, and had to scramble in order to fill out their class. And 2002-2004 teams suffered as a result, with no depth at all. Success breeds better recruiting more than a flashy hire, and the UW does get good recruits outta the east coast, as well as the midwest--much better than they used to. Hopefully we can make inroads in CA, TX and FL, but you can put together a serious contender even if you can't get the best-of-the-best out of the traditional hotbeds of recruiting. Barry's proven that--hell, if Anthony Davis and the DL doesn't get hurt last year, the Badgers might've been in the mix. We were 9-0, and we had absolutely no offense.

I'll take a similar track record to Barry's, happily. If you can be vying for BT championship, then you have a shot at B(C)S NC. Stick to your strengths. A complete revamp of the team philosophy could be disastrous. You don't have the right players in place, it takes a number of years for the conversion, etc. BB with Chryst as his OC is just fine by me. May not make for good ESPN fodder, but let's just see where the Badgers are in '08 before we condemn the guy.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice to be reloading with nothing but the bluest of the bluechip recruits, but there are only so many of those, and there are plenty of great football players out there, if you can find them. Coachable players who can perform as a team, instead of talented prima donnas who fail as a team (not that I'm casting aspersions on teams that underperform based on consistently high rated recruiting classes, Josh, John, et al.) I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Bielema. It's a better hire than Ron Zook (now at IL), imho.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 01:58 pm:   

Better than zook. Yeah, that's really something to strive for.

That's okay. They'll take Petrino at Michigan. As to where Wisc will be in O8...Big two, little 8. Say it for me, Minz.

D, I think we can rule out ths Zebras. Maybe the Pitt Tabbies.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 02:21 pm:   

And may I say, Minz, welcome back, Mr. Predictable. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 08:03 am:   

Espn is reporting that Pitts top frosh QB prospect has left the program, due to his inability to get along with Dave Wannnstadt.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 08:10 am:   

Said the Pot to the Kettle, "it's good to be black--I mean back." :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 08:13 am:   

You're the Pot? Fuck, I thought I was the pot!

:-)
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:31 am:   

Apparently, the BADgers are going to be using Brian Calhoun as a RB, receiver (from the backfield, of course), and punt returner on special teams. A fall-practice observer says "Calhoun has the potential to be one of the greatest backs Badgers fans have seen." Mostly because of his versatility. Stocco is still having troubles with his long passes, but is doing well with 6-10 yarders. Tyler Donovan, Stocco's backup, is apparently pushing for the starting job (he's much more mobile than the Stocco Statue - you could see that pretty clearly back in the spring game, or at least I could). Apparently receiver Jarvis Minton is pretty impressive, and should provide a nice compliment to standout Jonathan Orr. Anyway, it was nice to read a fall practice report that essentialy said "Yeah, we've still got problems, but it's not entirely hopeless".
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:38 am:   

I don't know what to say. Hope springs eternal in tne BADger breast, I guess. :-) I think the season depends on the BG fame. Win that and you'll have an okay season. Lose, and you might be in for a long autumn. Best o' luck...
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Deborah
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:13 am:   

I just saw the post about Pitt's back-up QB...Joe Flacco (redshirt sophomore who took four snaps last year and was second on the depth chart going into spring) has been talking about leaving school since February. As a sophomore backing up Palko, he guessed (obviously correctly) that his playing opportunities would be minimal for the next two years. This made him unhappy. So, while the coaches hoped he would return because they'd have preferred to start the year with a back-up who had been in a game before, alas, Joe chose not to register for school.

They have two freshmen back-ups who will get some snaps throughout the season.

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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:44 am:   

And good luck to them, too. :-)

ESPN reports a conflict between him and Wanny, but hey, same difference, right?
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Deborah
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:51 am:   

Well...Wannstedt named Palko the starter and Flacco wanted to be the starter. That's not exactly Reid-Owens territory, but it is, indeed, a conflict.

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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 12:05 pm:   

Same difference, i said.

I'm sure that's the bones of it. And I'm sure that's not the extent of it. There's a very good chance of a QB being injured, and Monsieur Flacco wasn't persuaded Wannstadt-wise to stay the course. Which may or may not signal a deeper conflict. Spurriier kept guys on the bench a lot, and only at the end did he suffer a defection. One way or the other, it's no big deal. That bucket's been spilt...
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 03:09 pm:   

Hmm. I just read this and don't know what to make of it. I hope our boys in red and white are really not that collectively stupid. Maybe there's some truth to what they say in the following article?:

UW football: Badgers believe in QB Stocco

Hold on to your jaw. What Brandon Williams has to say just might make it hit the floor.


There are bold predictions, and then there's the epic the senior wide receiver for the University of Wisconsin football team delivered Wednesday at the Badgers' media day event.

Asked about John Stocco, Williams said he expects big things from the junior quarterback in 2005.

Huge things. Record-breaking things.

"He threw for (about) 2,000 yards last year," Williams told the handful of reporters gathered around him inside the McClain Athletic Center. "Now, that's not a slouch by any means."

Warning: Check your grip on that jaw.

"With that being said," Williams continued, "I feel like he can probably push up to the 3,000 mark and be one of the top passers in the Big Ten."

Yes, Williams - who, if nothing else, sure sets the bar high - meant 3,000 yards this season, not in 2005 and '06 combined.

Now consider these tidbits: Stocco threw for 1,999 yards in 12 games a year ago during his up-and-down first season as a starter. That yardage total was the seventh-highest in program history, falling less than 400 short of the standard set by Darrell Bevell (2,390) during the 1993 season.

But while Williams' goal for his quarterback may be, well, lofty, at least it speaks to how much confidence one of the Badgers' most experienced players has in the man who holds arguably the most important starting position on the team.

And Williams isn't alone.

"I expect a huge jump, I really do," senior Matt Bernstein said of expectations of Stocco in 2005. "He's worked so hard in the offseason. I couldn't see him taking a step back."

Truth is, nobody expects bigger things out of Stocco this season than Stocco, a self-proclaimed perfectionist who still has a bad taste in his mouth from the 2004 campaign.

For as many critics as he has, Stocco's biggest is himself.

"I put a lot more responsibility on myself this year, having been through a whole year and just the need to improve," said Stocco, who began training camp with the rest of his teammates Wednesday. "I need to improve. That's just all I've been working for.

"The biggest thing is consistency. There were times last year when I played very well, and there were times when I did not play very well. Sometimes last year I'd miss a 10-yard out that should be a high-percentage throw."

The UW offense struggled last season under Stocco, who ranked 87th nationally in passing efficiency (109.8) and tossed just nine touchdowns in 321 passing attempts. Led by a dominant defense, the Badgers went 9-3 despite ranking 93rd out of 117 teams nationally in total offense (328.1 yards per game) and 96th in scoring offense (20.8).

Not all of those problems should be attributed to Stocco, who was handicapped by a rash of injuries at tailback.

It also should be pointed out that Stocco showed glimpses of being a better-than-average quarterback, particularly during a 297-yard passing performance during a 38-14 victory over Minnesota.

"He did the things to help you win football games," said UW quarterbacks coach Jeff Horton. "He protected the ball, managed the game. He didn't do anything crazy. You knew what to expect when he was out there.

"Now, does he need to get better and become a batter passer? Certainly. But he did the things to help you win. And even as he gets better as a quarterback and develops skills, you still don't want to get away from that basic foundation that helped you win. If he throws for 3,000 yards this year but throws 20 interceptions, I don't know if that's helped much. We want to see him take the next step."

In some ways, Stocco already has. Quiet by nature, Stocco has made a point of being a more vocal leader, whether it be inside the locker room or during the Badgers' offseason workouts.

The transformation was obvious to his teammates.

"That year of experience really helped his confidence," said senior center Donovan Raiola. "Last year was his first year starting and I don't know if he was real comfortable with voicing himself. This year, he has that voice. He's like a field general now. You can see his confidence."

Added Williams: "He's more animated in the locker room and at practice."

What hasn't changed is Stocco's competitive nature. Senior wide receiver Jonathan Orr said half-jokingly that a trip to the bowling alley with Stocco this summer "got pretty heated," which didn't surprise Bernstein.

"You beat John in Tic-Tac-Toe, he gets (ticked)," Bernstein said. "He's very competitive and he doesn't want to lose."

If Stocco is concerned about losing his job, he doesn't show it. UW coach Barry Alvarez has said more than once that he'd like to use backup Tyler Donovan at times to spell Stocco, who welcomes the competition.

"It's motivation for me," Stocco said.

Wednesday, Stocco got a vote of confidence both from Alvarez - "No one works harder. No one's tougher," he said - and first-year co-offensive coordinator Paul Chryst.

"There's a lot to like about John," said Chryst, who admitted he'd like to see Stocco become more efficient, particularly in the red zone. "First and foremost, his job is to move the football. There's a ton he can do to help that. When we get opportunities, you have to cash in those opportunities."

Williams, for one, has no doubt Stocco will be able to do just that for the Badgers.

"He," Williams said, "is ready to let loose."
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 03:17 pm:   

Show me.

If I;m wrong I'll admit it. Show me.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 06:09 pm:   

For a short while last year, I thought Stocco was improving. But then he seemed to plateau at a pretty low level, and then regressed. Granted, RB injuries rendered the running game very ineffectual, but I didn't see much to hope for at the end of last year. But hey, i'd be delighted if he proved me wrong. Delighted!

I will say this, with Orr, White and Williams at WR, Owen Daniels at TE and Calhoun at RB, this is undoubtedly the most talented group of receivers the Badgers have ever had overall. (Yes, we've had a better pair of starting WR, Fletcher is probably the equal of Calhoun as a receiving RB--at least thus far in his career, and Roan was a very good TE, but they weren't all on the same squad.) Here's hoping Chryst can get the most out of Stocco, or Donovan, or even Savage. Don't care. Just throw them the damn ball!
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 08:32 am:   

Yeah, if Stocco can pull his head out of his butt, the offense will be fine. I'm most worried about the defensive line and the secondary, though our LBs look solid.

And, Lucius, I agree with you: show me the money. On the other hand, I don't think that he'd be getting so many positive comments out of his team if there wasn't some confidence that he can step up to the next level. I dunno. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. That's not to say I'm not nervous - I'm incredibly nervous - but, you just don't know until the guy hits the field (with his face, back, etc).
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 08:40 am:   

In the "bad timing" department, it looks like Hartline was gearing up to give a verbal to the Badgers just as Barry announced his retirement. Apparently he's having second thoughts now. ARGH!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 08:42 am:   

IYou don't think he'd be getting positive comments? Could be positive thinking. Wish fulfillment. Etc. I just doubt a guy can make a sea change during the off-season.
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Minz
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 01:49 pm:   

The offseason won't make a difference. It's whether he makes strides in practices and games. Plenty of players, especially QBs, have improved over the course of their careers. I'm far from sold that'll happen with Stocco, but what the heck. Hope springs eternal, and I've nothing more than my Badger pride riding on the results. (I'm saving my serious bets for the Packers... :-))

I don't care who's throwing the ball, as long as they can spread the ball around. That's the key. I think guys'll get open. I just hope whoever's tossing the ol' pigskin for the Cardinal & White can find 'em and get it to 'em. I'd be thrilled to have Darrell Bevell back behind center (which tells you how much confidence I have in the current bunch.)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 02:40 pm:   

"I don't care who's throwing the ball...I think guy's will get open."

If they're open, you still got to hit 'em.
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 07:15 am:   

Well, you've got an odd combo. Stocco can't throw a long pass if his life depended on it, but I'm hearing that, in practice, he's excellent throwing on short routes. Donovan, on the other hand, can bomb and hit on long, timed routes, but tends to overshoot on short routes. Donovan is definitely the more mobile of the two, but Stocco's pocket presence is more calm and collected. So, I dunno. I'd like to see Donovan get the starting job, but who knows who will get it?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 07:38 am:   

I'm betting Stocco. Coaches tend to go with the tried even if not the true. I don't know. The non-Wisconsin reportage says that they both suck -- I'd be wary of taking the word of BADger players who're drinking the Kool Aid. and have seen S _practice_.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 12:53 pm:   

Fun Facts: If there was no November, the BADgers would be a lot better off. They're 3-7 the last three Novembers.

Grrr....The Panther's gave up plus 400 yards offense in each of seven regular season games. How's the D look, Deborah? I notice Blade made a couple of AA hon mention lists.

The Carr Factor: Michigan has lost five consecutive road openers.

Vick scares the shit out of me at VT. Just thought I'd mention that.
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 03:01 pm:   

Yeah, the BADgers do tend to peter out at the end there. No staying power.

Is Vick really that good?

And, let's see. Michigan's road opener . . . well, would you look at that!? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 03:30 pm:   

Thought that would cheer you up. :-)

People are saying Vick reminds of Donovan McNabb. I'm hoping that's like people saying Stocco will throw for 3000 yards.
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 08:38 pm:   

Yeah, don't get my hopes up . . . :-)

I don't care if Stocco throws for 3000 so long as the Carr Curse continues and we make a bowl game - any bowl game! It would be icing on the cake if Stocco ran into Carr, they were both out for the season, and Tyler Donovan drove the BADgers on to victory.

A man can wish . . .
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 08:48 pm:   

Wishing for your own players to suffer injury brings bad fortune to the BADger fan.....:-)
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Forrest
Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 05:54 pm:   

Not if it brings on a better QB. :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 10:34 am:   

This isn't what you want to read about your team's scrimmages:

"The Badgers were in full equipment for the first time Sunday at Camp Randall and the controlled scrimmaging was dominated by the defense, which picked off passes from each of the top three quarterbacks: John Stocco, Tyler Donovan and Bryan Savage."

From yesterday's Capital Times.

http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/uw/football/index.php?ntid=50562&nt_adsect=edi t
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 04:58 pm:   

Maybe they meant three thousand yards if you add in the ints. :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 09:21 pm:   

Yeah! So I saw a teaser for an article on rivals.com that mentioned a mystery QB coming in on third string. If I had to guess, I'd say Randle El, who was an outstanding QB in high school . . . and I do have to guess since I don't have full access to the article. Or it could be Sean Lewis, high school QB turned TE.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 05:20 am:   

Well, whoever it is, the BADgers will bless his name!
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 09:10 am:   

Very nice article on espn.com about the Eagles. Don't know if I should feel complimented or jinxed. I predict the Eagles to hover around .500; could they be significantly better than I think?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/preview05/news/story?id=2136958
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 10:15 am:   

I'm sure they'll do better than .500. They'll go to a bowl game, for sure.

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