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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:27 pm:   

This for y'all, because this is my last night in town for a goodly while.

   By Minz on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:26 am:

Okay, I see Big D(umbasses) as easily being in the hunt for second. If the revamped OL can actually give Bledsoe some time to throw, I'd consider them the fav for 2nd--the defense should be dangerous. But I can't see 'em taking down Philly. Not unless Philly fires Reid and hires Mike Tice to be the head coach.

That being said, never underestimate a Super Bowl loser's ability to suffer a huge letdown the following season. It's happened a whole lotta times...In fact, Buffalo deserves a lot of credit for being repeat losers so many times--quite an accomplishment of futility (or an indictment of the AFC of that time).
   By Josh Rountree on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:54 am:

I agree with your take on this, Minz. Except for the dumbass part, natch.

I expect Dallas to be a wild card team with a slight chance of taking the division. The Giants and Skins will, of course, suck.
   By Lucius on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 07:47 am:

Well, whatever, the Boys'll do better than the Pack, who BTW, the experts at S&S do not have making the playorffs...

However, they're not perfect. They have the Seahags and the Rams going 1-2 in the NFC West....

   By Dave G. on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 08:40 am:

As long as the Giants break even and beat the Skins twice, I'll be happy.
   By ~b. on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 09:33 am:

"Not unless Philly fires Reid and hires Mike Tice to be the head coach."

From your mouth to God's ears, Lucius Shepard.
   By Minz on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:02 am:

Well, not to be noodge, Barth, but that would be from _my_ fingers to God's ears, but heck, what does an editor know? (Don't answer that--purely rhetorical).

As for the downfall of the Packers, I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm not even saying it can't happen this year. I'm just saying I've been hearing the same thing ever since Reggie retired. And until they are officially knocked out as Division champs (or the Vikes get a real coach), I like our chances. I think the coaching staff is going to bring it this year, especially on D, and the younger players are going to respond big time.

And boy, is it going to be ugly if the day ever comes... A roast to end all roasts.
   By Lucius on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:22 am:

I like your chances too...Your chances to get the crap beat out of your team.'

"And boy, is it going to be ugly if the day ever comes... A roast to end all roasts."

Are you kidding? The pack have won, what?, one super bowl since the sixties. There's no gonna be no big celebration when they go, because they've been gone for years now, and they just weren't that big a factor in modern times, no matter how much the GB fans delude themselves and pretend that they were all that -- they haven't been all that since the 60s..

No big celebration, Minz. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
   By Minz on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:01 pm:

But let it be SUCH a whimper...

(I had been referring to our local environs, and how you and Barth would lead the way in sending me and my beloved Packers to sulk in our tents, hip deep in appropriate insults and mockeries.)
   By Lucius on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:06 pm:

No, not really. It'll be pretty steady state....
   By Barth on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:54 pm:

"but heck, what does an editor know? (Don't answer that--purely rhetorical)."

Doh. My bad.

But, hey, when you're ready to move beyond rhetoricals, call me, I got some answers for ya. ;)

Lucius (for real this time): "No, not really. It'll be pretty steady state...."

Not me. I'll be taunting a la Cleese at "Grail's" end, waving my private parts at your aunties.

   By Lucius on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 04:12 pm:

Y'see that just make Minz think the Pack are special, when they're really not.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 06:44 am:   

Y'see, Barth, Lucius just has no appreciation for a grand tradition, the kind of thing where for nearly twenty years, Packers fans were actually willing to settle for a 2-14 record, as long as we beat the Bears twice.

And while the rivalry with the Vikings is perhaps more lively these days, deep down, the Viqueens are just those annoying wannabes to the north who have never won a damn thing. At least Chicago has won the second-most NFL titles--after Green Bay, of course.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 08:52 am:   

No appreciation of a Grand Traditiion? Goddamn right, I don't. Grand tradition is just another name for living in the past. Grand tradition's don't keep you warm as big wins. and the days of big wins are Over for the Fudgepackers.. So you keep on trying to get a taste of icing out of that well-licked mixing bowl, Minz. 'Cause it's gonna be a long cold gray time before Packer eyes are smiling again. "Roger drops back to pass....He's sacked! The ball is loose!" Get used to it.

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 08:53 am:   

Rogers drops back....
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 09:37 am:   

actually, I think it's Rodgers.

I just can't wait to hear the lamentations of the women as we grind the NFL's bones to dust. We'll miraculously stay healthy for the stretch run, Brett wins his fourth MVP, and all will be right again in the world! Hey, it could happen... We haven't lost a single game yet this season.
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John Klima
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 09:49 am:   

I'm still recovering from the convulsions I got from "Ro[d]gers drops back...he's sacked...the ball is loose!" It was like the 1980s all over again.

JK
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mINZ
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 10:54 am:   

Hey, you could beat our Pack, but you couldn't lick our Dickey!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 03:08 pm:   

Knick knack tally Pack give a dog a bone...


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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 04:45 pm:   

And don't forget the glorious Steve Bartkowski, who could not be spelled without "Bart"! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 06:25 am:   

Dickey, Bartkowski, Rodgers.... :-)

The Brockington Era.... :-)

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Minz
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:27 am:   

Hey, until Edgar Bennett came along and put up some numbers, Brockington was the previous 1000-yard rusher for the pack, with more than 20 years between 'em. And besides, we don't refer to that as the Brockington Era, or even the more apt Hadl Era. No, that particular smell has forever been dubbed as the Dan Devine Era. (And while Devine's dog was indeed shot by a Packer fan, the full story is that Devine had been cited by county sheriff 3 times for letting his dogs run loose, and the neighbor shot the dog as it was trying to break into his chicken coop. That the dog belonged to Devine was just icing on the cake.)

And for someone who rails against living in the past, you're sure quick to cite it when it suits your needs, Lucius. :-)

Oh, and Dave, it was ZEKE BRATkowski. (mmmmmm, brats...) :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:31 am:   

Hey, I was pointing to the return of the Brockington Era, Minz....
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John Klima
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:51 am:   

I thought that was the Forrest Gregg era, you know, if you can't make the play, at least hurt someone? :-)

JK
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 08:31 am:   

Right, the Gregg era. Better. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 08:52 am:   

No, I had the right player, just the wrong team. Bartkowski played for the Falcons. Mea culpa; my memory of 70s football is blurred.
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Minz
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:02 am:   

There was one divisional championship in that Brockington era...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:17 am:   

Oh the glory! A divisional championship! Long into the night did they make merry in the taverns of Old Wis-con-sin on that blessed occasion! And it is said that this very night, a Poland sow gave birth to a human child in the town of Geen Bay and they called him Farve!

:-)
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John Klima
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 12:56 pm:   

This makes me remember when I went to the Packer HOF a year or two before the Holmgren Super Bowl victory. The Packer history video was filled with tons of footage and whatnot from the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. Then, all of a sudden, it was like: "In in 1979 Bob Schmigogee took a kick-off all the way back for a touchdown! In 1984 blah blah blah...." I started to laugh. We could go year by year from the 20s to the 60s and then we had to scrape up moments. I think the current video just skips the 70s and 80s and heads right into the mid 90s. :-)

JK
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 01:08 pm:   

Worst job in football: chief curator, New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 01:24 pm:   

And Lo! On the same night that Farve was born, that fabulous night when the Brockington era divisional championship was won, one of the elders of Green Bay village, a seller of used vehicles named Carl did lie with Lurleen, the daughter of the president of the Order of Moose, local 1242, and they did produce a piglet who was called Super Bowl, and thereafter, on a Sunday in early February each and year, a contest was held to see who could eat the most fried pies, and the winner was awarded the piglet progeny of Carl and Lurleen. Thus it could ever be said that Green Bay won the Super Bowl, yea, though their team be shitty. And in their dim, brat-logged minds, they saw this was meet and right....
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b.
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 06:40 pm:   

"I think the current video just skips the 70s and 80s and heads right into the mid 90s."

My brother in law refers to taht time period as "the hump."
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 06:21 am:   

Big trouble for Sean Taylor: busted Saturday for aggravated assault with a firearm and battery in Miami. News reports say he is also a "person of interest" in another shooting.

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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 10:31 am:   

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2077537
I tried to be a good boy. I tried to resist the siren call to speak out about those maverick 'Canes causing all that trouble. Then I figured screw that. How 'bout those 'Canes?
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 10:36 am:   

In truth, it sounds a bit of a tempest in a teapot, though I don't know anything about the "person of interest" angle, which may have substance, considering how heavy-handed the 'skins seem to be acting. While indeed this could be a felony charge, from what I've read, this should definitely be pleaded down to misdemeanorville. Is this just Gibbs trying to show his cojones and shake up the team, or is there something more going on?

And what about no-show Cletidus "basket-case" Hunt? I'm beginning to wonder if he's blown another drug test, and he knows he's facing a year's suspension, so he's gone all funky again. Broke my heart when the Packers gave the money to Hunt instead of Vonnie Holliday. Not that Vonnie's all that, and indeed, he only had a few more good years left in him, but still, Hunt's been a tease since he first stepped on the field, and he remains one to this day. Only now, he's an overpaid one.

Oh well, lunch is over; back to the mines...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 11:09 am:   

I don't know. A minimum three-year sentences for the aggravated assault is no joke.

I don't know if Joe is trying to "shake up" his team, but he has been getting slapped around by his players something fierce. Between Laverneus Coles wanting out, Lavar Arrington dissing him over some alleged unpaid bonus, and Taylor not returning his phone calls, he is losing serious face in this town.

I think the organization's reaction is just the cumulative effect of all the little pecadilloes Taylor has blundered into: missing rookie orientation sessions, drunk driving arrests, etc. He is starting to acquire a "head case" rep around here. Think Michael Westbrook.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 01:55 pm:   

C;mon, people. Sean Taylor is the son of the police chief of Florida City and he didn't discharge his weapon. Gee, I wonder if he'll beat it.

A head case rap? In Washington, yet. You think Westbrook, i'll think Joe Gibbs can't handle his team. Everytime I see he him he looks a little more senescent.
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minz
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 02:45 pm:   

I'd have to agree with Lucius on this one. the only question is if Gibbs actually makes it to the end of the season...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 05:00 pm:   

I don't disagree about Gibbs. His best players have been in open revolt for a while. I'm just saying that a lot of the Gibbs partisans in the media, who have a lot of credibility invested in the Old Guy, are taking swipes at Taylor. And they have some sway over popular opinion.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 05:12 pm:   

Trade him to the Browns. We''ll take him/
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 05:16 pm:   

By the way, I'm in an internet cafe/coffee place on the Oregon coast, which explains why I'm not posting regularly. But this a cool place to work. great view, no people in the cafe, so I may work here once in a while and keep grounded that way.
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 07:21 am:   

Sounds fantastic. I love working in coffee shops and cafes. . . just so long as they aren't playing Hits of the '80s on their sound system. . . that kind of stuff is hard to tune out.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 09:44 am:   

Boy, would Taylor look awfully good in a Packers uniform...

Enjoy the view Lucius. And happy writing!!!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 03:27 pm:   

Yeah, it 's cool, Andy, but I'm only gonna work here in the late afternoons. Makes a good break.

Taylor a Packer....Scoff! :-)

BTW, ordered TSN's Collge Football, ACC and SEC previews today....I feel it comin' in the air....
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 10:41 am:   

Deadskins penalized three workout days by the league, further reinforcing that "game has passed him by" feeling folks have here about Gibbsie.

On the bright side, Drew Rosenhaus finally consented to let Joe talk to Sean Taylor, so fences are being mended!
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Minz
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 11:18 am:   

With great reluctance, I must say this: The new Viqueens owner, "Triple Word Score" Wilf, had the good sense to come out and say he's going to push for an outdoor stadium to replace the Metrodome. Good man! Now, let's just hope all his focus is on the new stadium and he forgets to fire Tice and bring in a new coach...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 11:38 am:   

The only cogent rationale for an indoor stadium is a winter season in a frigid climate. Can't they just install a grass field at the Metrodome?
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Minz
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 02:22 pm:   

Fuck that. Football is meant to be played outdoors.

Why do you think the Patriots are 5-0 against the Colts in the last five Dec & Jan games--3 of the five were in bad weather in Foxboro. Why do you think the Packers have such a great December record? Lambeau mystique my ass--it's playin with the cold and the slop, and having the advantage. Don't get me wrong, there's no guarantees, but in an evenly matched game, home fans are great, home weather is even better. It can give your team an edge. (Same can be said for Southern teams when the weather's hot in September.)

So I'm basically advocating for a rival to get a potential competitive edge. But I don't care. DOMES SHOULD BE BANNED. For baseball too.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 02:52 pm:   

Arrr...when I was a boy we ate nails and crapped thumbtacks....when I was boy we played in hurricanes, flood, tsunamis, we didmt care about life or death....Arrr

But I agree... :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 04:44 pm:   

I see your point. I was speaking from the perspective of a relatively sane fan who doesn't pain letters on his chest and go shirtless in sub-zero weather. Oh well, that's what TV was made for, I guess.
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~b.
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 04:46 pm:   

Actually, I think coaching an outdoor team would be better for Tice. Simpler. More 2-dimensional.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 05:32 am:   

"Fuck that. Football is meant to be played outdoors."

They left that hole in the roof of Texas Stadium just for you, Minz. ;)
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Minz
Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 07:57 am:   

Now, I thought the story was that they left the whole in the roof so that God could take a crap in it, right? So if by that, you're implying I have a greater role that I have yet to assume, I'll pass. Don't need all the headaches (though I could live with more groveling at my feet). :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 01:41 pm:   

Is that why GB has an outdoor stadium, to make it easier for God?

Saw that TSN says that the second worst move of the off-season was the Pack's devolution on the offensive line. The phrase "when Favre limps back to pass... was used.

Worst move was Denver's acquisition of Cleveland's D Line.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 06:42 am:   

We shall see, Msr Shepard. We shall see.

It's a shame the 'boys keep stinking so bad that the Packers never get to play them. We keep ending up with that Division Champ schedule, which includes all the other Division Champs. :-)

I await the heap o' scorn to be dumped...

(Hey, what else we got to write about until training camp begins.)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   

Well, they probably won't get to play 'em next year, for similar, albeit not matching, reasons.

Why should I bother dumping scorn, when the national magazines are doing it for me?
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:03 pm:   

I definitely remember the Boys and Pack meeting in the NFC Championship Game...

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:11 pm:   

Who won that, Josh? :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 05:00 pm:   

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Ice Bowl for a minute there...
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 06:37 am:   

I never thought I'd see the day: Lucius Shephard relying upon national magazine pundits... :-)

Only 7 more weeks to camp!
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 07:09 am:   

Only 6 weeks, 2 days if you're a Cowboy Fan.

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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 07:30 am:   

Hmmmm, this limb looks stout enough to hold my weight...
Packers predictions for 2005 (all rights reserved for injury-based revisions right up to kickoff of season opener)
Overall record: 11-5, fourth straight division championship
Will lose in NFC Championship game
Pro bowlers: Favre, Javon Walker, Ahman Green, Mike Flanagan, KGB and...Nick Barnett. That's right, Nick Barnett will become the man in Jimmy Bates new system, and everyone will be saying Zach who? by the end of the season.

I FEEL THE POWER!!!
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Barth
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 07:32 am:   

That limb wouldn't hold my two year old.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 07:54 am:   

Pro Bowlers

Farve will always get the emeritus vote, just for that Sensodyne commercial...as long as he has teeth. He "plays" a great QB, but actually he's a geezer. I'm bettting this year his Mom gets an owie, and that very night, Farve goes out and throws for 300 yards against the dread 49er scondary.

Javon Walker holds out and is traded to the Dolphins for a years supply of fish sandwiches that Sherman will plug in on the offensive line.

AGreen funbles his way to an NFL record.
As for the rest of your picks....(makes sarcastic noise)

if the Bears get their QB problems worked out, I see a fourth place finish for the Pack, the first of many.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 10:32 am:   

YEEEEEHA!!!

And lookout for Cullin Jenkins, COrey Williams and Kenny Peterson on what will soon be recognized as one of the best young defensive lines.

And then Reggie White will rise from the grave and lead the Packers to another Super Bowl victory!
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John Klima
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 10:41 am:   

Fuck Reggie White. I want Forrest Gregg out there snapping limbs and cracking skulls.

JK
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 11:24 am:   

one of the best young defensive lines...in the state of Wisconsin.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 11:30 am:   

Now that James, Jefferson and Hawthorne have garaduated UW, that's definitely true! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 11:39 am:   

Yup.

Minz, you need to take a pill. Something to calm you down. It's gonna be a long year for Packer fans...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 01:46 pm:   

Oh yeah, minz...your boy Cullin Jenkins, he's being projected as a back-up
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 02:11 pm:   

It's absolutely the time of year for rampant optimism.

In very limited PT last year, very limited, Jenkins racked up 4 1/2 sacks. The preseason pundits have no clue what's going on with the Packers D right now, and are just stroking each other's johnsons and spewing out the same thing. Jenkins is going to be a big contributor (though he won't be everydown, because he is too small to hold up--he'll be that extra pass rusher we need workin with KGB). We need more push up the middle, and much better play out of LBs. But I blame the coaching for that more than anything. I really believe Nick Barnett is a pro-bowl caliber middle LB--he regressed last year under Duffy, but the kid has speed and talent, and he's just coming into his own as a third year player (oh, and in his bad year, he had 123 tackles). Yeah, he's a little small. Same thing was said about Zach Thomas. Just you watch. And I think Diggs is not too far behind Barnett. They just suffered in Duffy's awful scheme last year. We tore Carolina apart in the season opener, then in week two got burned on a few blitzes, and they junked most of the aggressive schemes, and the defense went in the toilet from there. Completely vanilla, completely predictable and the league tore it up. Bates brings great coaching, consistent message, and a very long track record of success. Duffy was...Sherman's former boss at Holy Cross (I kid you not). I think the Packers defense is going to be the most improved defensive unit in the league next year. And if the important players stay healthy, it's going to be a top fifteen, maybe even top ten defense. And then someone's going to have the good sense to snatch up Bates as a head coach.

If the team stays healthy, I like our chances (no really good depth at many positions, but that's true for most teams these days). While there is a talent gap, I really don't think it's all that great. Coaching and a little bit of luck on the injury front are so much more important than having Mel Kyper's A+ draft rating. Just look at New England, and how they were winning with joe blow off the street at cornerback. It's crazy what good coaching can accomplish. And I think Jimmy Bates is one of the underrated coaches. Sure, you can say he had a lot of pro-bowl talent, but how much of that was coaching. Sherman's got a lot to prove, he's no longer dealing with GM distractions, and Bates is the real deal.

Okay, I'm totally amped and cannot frickin wait for camp, but I still think it's true. Cannot wait for December, baby.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 02:55 pm:   

Your enthusiasm isn'r rampant, its rabid
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What Barth Hears
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 03:05 pm:   

Yeah, he's a little small...

If the team stays healthy...

While there is a talent gap....

...a little bit of luck...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 05:13 am:   

...If shit turns into Caeser salad...
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 07:21 am:   

UMMMMM. . . Ceasar salad. . . with big, crunchy croutons. . .
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 07:29 am:   

"crunchy croutons..."

Brett's knees....

:-)
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minz
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 11:03 am:   

b, we'll see where that Viqueens offense will be when two-three defenders aren't entirely focused on one wr. Moss was a hindrance to the team concept, but his immense influence on the success of their offense cannot be overstated.

And I'll take our coaching staff over anyone's , other than NE. Two words, b: MIKE TICE :-)

And I think the teams that do make serious runs in the playoffs will be the ones who core players stay healthy.

and last but not least, Al Harris will have a Pro Bowl year, but won't get voted in...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 11:49 am:   

Mike Sherman is markedly superior to Tice? It must be nice in your dream. If Tice is an idiot great dane, sherman is a yapping little terrier. No imagination.
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Minz
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 05:53 pm:   

I'm thinking Dan Devine would be better than Tice. What do you think, b?

I think of Sherman more as a bulldog. He was definitely miscast as a GM, but I think he's a good coach. Five years ago, I would've taken Tuna instead of him. Nowadays, other than Billechik (I'm tempted to say Reid, but he's had some bonehead gameday moves that have been costly), there's nobody who jumps out as a superior coach than Sherman. not to me. Tempting to say Dungy, but when Gruden stepped in and won it at TB with basically Dungy's team, not so much. And Chucky is a mixed bag, imo. I like John Fox, but his team didn't handle adversity all that well last season. I can't stand Shanahan for the way he utilizes dirty (albeit legal) blocking.

I'm not saying Sherman's better than all the others, but there really isn't anyone I like better, other than the NE crew.

And the way you've constantly dissed the complete lack of talent the Packers have had all these years, that doesn't leave you too many other options for giving credit for those three straight division championships. The consistent winning, despite seasons with brutal injury situations. With a terrible defense. (it has been awful ever since Leroy Butler retired). So if the d has stunk for more than three years. And Brett Favre is a bum. And Ahman Green nothing but a fumble machine. (In fact, I'm pretty sure the only unit on the Packers you haven't dissed was the OL...until now, with our starting guards having left). I think you have no choice but to recognize Sherman's superior coaching. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 06:21 pm:   

You are insane, Minx! Totally. No it isn't an either-or sitution. The Packers and Sherman are both mediocrities. They played in the what was the weakest division in the NFC until recently and that explains a good bit of their success. Their talent level has gone downhill since their last Super Bowl, and now they're about to go under. That's the facts.

:-)
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Minz
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 07:19 pm:   

What are you trying to say, Lucius? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 08:48 pm:   

You are insane. You have green and ocher (or is it pumpkin?) disease. I hear it's fatal.


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b.
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 05:43 am:   

"b, we'll see where that Viqueens offense will be when two-three defenders aren't entirely focused on one wr. Moss was a hindrance to the team concept, but his immense influence on the success of their offense cannot be overstated."

You can have a preview of the Vikes' offense right now, by looking back at the first Puckers/Vikes game of 2004. No Randy, but that game came down to a field goal (ditto Vikes v Colts a week later). Plus, the Pack gave up 31 points and 363 passing yards despite having hundreds of defenders to throw all over the field without Moss there.

The Vikes lost, but match our draft against your draft, our young d-line against your alleged "o-line," Sharper (I don't want to make too much of his importance, but your loss *is* our gain), and you get a nifty lil preview of your life in the post-Moss era.

"And I'll take our coaching staff over anyone's , other than NE. Two words, b: MIKE TICE."

I won't defend Tice (he's a great line coach but should have stayed there), but Sherman's just average. Like your argument about Dungy, Sherman loses the big games. Two words for *you*: Michael Vick.

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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 06:07 am:   

".... a nifty lil preview of your life in the post-Moss era..."

:-)
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 06:56 am:   

All I know is that the Pro Football thread is alive and well, and keeping the blood flowing during the long dog days of summer...

Which particular MN loss to the Packers are you talking about, b? If I remember correctly, you're thinking of the first game, in Lambeau. Let's see, we outrushed the Vikings, 206 to 71. Better lookout for that vaunted power rushing game. Pretty effective without Moss...And we did have three fumbles that game. Granted, we only lost one, but that's one more turnover than the Vikings had, and we still beat them.

Still I prefer to look at the Christmas Eve game, where we went into MN with the division on the line, and took care of business. Three points. Twenty points. One point. Unless you're a fantasy geek, all that matters is the W, as in the two we had against Minnesota last season.

And you'll note I'm pinning my hopes on developing second and third year players, not incoming rookies. Why is that? Oh yeah, rarely do rookies have a big impact their first year. Of course, I'm more worried about the FA acquisitions for MN than the draftees, at least this season. Still, our D will be much better this season, without Sharper. The D was designed around Sharper last season, and it was the worst D in the history of GB (at least since they started keeping overall team stats). Good luck with that. :-)

Hey, anybody got a machine that can speed up the next six weeks. I'm so friggin ready for camp.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 07:33 am:   

Minz, you should go to Packer camp and martyr yourself as a tacking dummy for the good of the team. I hear you go straight to heaven if you do that and get an audience with Vince...
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b
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 07:58 am:   

"Unless you're a fantasy geek, all that matters is the W, as in the two we had against Minnesota last season."

Unless you're a fantasy geek, the one and only W that matters is the one WE took in the wild card round - *in Lambeau.* Remember that? Four TD's for Daunte and 4 picks for Favre? Yet another example of Brett and Sherman choking together in unison during a big game. You can hang your hat on that division championship, dude, but the Vikes advanced with the other winners.

(Cue microwave timer: This is where Minz reheats his super bowl leftovers.)

You like the second and third year players, eh? Like Williams and Udeze and Mewelde Moore? We got a steady parade of em to march at ya.

A bit of algebra:

[Smoot, Sharper, and Winfield in the back] + [Williams, Udeze, and Erasmus James up front] = [a sad last season for Vicodin Boy]. :-)

But we do agree on one thing: Let's fast-forward to camp!

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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 08:08 am:   

So Mike Ditka passes away, and he's waiting at the Pearly Gates for his turn to enter Heaven. St Peter walks up to him and introduces himself.
"Coach, you have been forgiven for your sins, even all those times you have taken the Lord's name in vain. C'mon, let me show you your final place of rest."
And with that, Peter and Ditka find themselves standing at the entrance to a lovely little mansion, all decked out in Bears colors.
"What do you think?" Peter asks.
Ditka can't help but notice the beautiful, huge castle resting on a hill in the distance beyond his chateau, all decked out in Packer Green-and-Gold. So da Coach asks Peter, "Hey, how cum Lombardi's place is so much bigger 'n nicer den mine?"
Peter replied, "That's not Saint Vince's place; that's God's..."
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 08:57 am:   

I heard that joke at an insurance seminar. :-)
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 09:19 am:   

Maybe if the Viqueens stopped looking at the Super Bowl as leftovers, rather than the actual goal, they might finally win one. I don't have to point to all the Packers' NFL titles; I just have to point to all the Viqueens'...OOPS. If it weren't for Buffalo, they'd still be the biggest joke in the league.

Keep talking about the acquisitions. Keep talking about your potential. But don't bother talking smack until your team's actually done something. Even once.

This is the only time of year the Vikes' fans can talk. :-)

I am curious, b, how'd such a nice boy from West Bend ever become a Vikings fan anyway? Was it to spite all the rest of your Packer ga-ga family? Was it seeing Fran the Man scrambling for dear life and pulling out another miracle--well, except when it mattered most? I mean, the anti-Packer kids I knew back in the ol' home berg were all Bears fans (ok, a couple were mentally weak, and fell for the empty marketing BS of the self-proclaimed "America's Team", and a few were for the Stillers--friggin bandwagon, frontrunner fans. PUKE!) What's your story? Maybe we can find that childhood trauma that shook your faith, heal the wound, and bring you back to the flock... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 09:31 am:   

well, if you're an example of Ga-Ga, Minz, I'd hazard a guess that the answer to your question regarding Barth's strayed allegiance might be, disgust...

:-)


Disgust in the sense of ODing on the endless repetion of blather.

I get that way around Notre Dame fans, who are, come to think of it, a lot like Packer fans. Same colors almost, even. Ewww...

I think that could be it....
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Barth
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 09:52 am:   

"Keep talking about the acquisitions. Keep talking about your potential. But don't bother talking smack until your team's actually done something. Even once."

And listening to Packer fans talk about glory days is like listening to the petty, trash-mongering Sopranos talk about the dizzying height of the Roman Empire. But I can understand your awe. *Those* were great teams.

"I am curious, b, how'd such a nice boy from West Bend ever become a Vikings fan anyway?"

Jack H. Anderson was an Iron Ranger, man (and his dad worked the taconite mines), so he was a Minnesotan through-and-through, exiled in the land of Oom-pa-pa. While Fran the Man was scrambling his way into Super Bowls, the Pukers were (as now) barely on life support.

So in that scenario...hmm...who will a boy in the seventies cheer for? Real potential or faded memories?

I do have a soft spot in my heart for the Packers - small and shriveled as it's become - but you bring out the purple-and-gold in me, Minz!

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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 10:07 am:   

Ahhhh. So should that really be AndersEn with an E? Was your Anderson family part of the Nordic settlement that populated MN & NW WI?

Hey Lucius: Actually, in the 50s, the packers were sporting blue and gold--the uniforms were very much like today's ND. (And, unfortunately, there is a disproportionate number of ND backers among the Packer faithful...)

As for ga-ga, it's tough not to get a little overhyped when the team still has even a little bit of talent, considering the 23 years between division titles that I faced from age 5 to 27. Besides, unreasonable hope and expectation is the sign of a true fan. Gotta believe, until the facts become undeniable. Perhaps I overstated my arguments (perhaps :-)), but this is the best-case scenario I'm pulling for my team. Hopeless romantic or clueless fanatic, don't mean nothin' no how neither way to me. I'll bleed the green and gold until i die, and if ever the dark days return, I'll be pulling for two wins over the Bears, and wait for the next revival. But these dogs ain't dead yet. And you can rip Brett as much as you like, but with him at the helm, the Packers are still contenders until proven otherwise. Preseason mags can make all the predictions they want. They've been predicting the demise of the Packers since 99, so you'll pardon me for not buying their hype just yet. They may be right, but by gosh, my green-and-gold tinted glasses say otherwise. That's what it means to be a fan.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 10:09 am:   

HEY BROWNATAR!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1896180

I imagine this might further drive Lucius out of the Dogpound fold. Putting a team together based on character...I must admit, bringing in Dilfer boggles even this most optimistic of fans.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 10:11 am:   

A chink in the Eagles armor?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=2087733

If all else fails, hope for the bad mojo to get its groove on.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 10:14 am:   

And if you want my honest, from the mind not the heart analysis of the Packers, we'd be having a lot less fun nattering on about football, and wasting more time arguing the same crap with SFM et al about Iraq. I'll take re-hashing fb arguments...

My original hope was to inspire bold predictions from other fans about their teams, but i shoulda realized it would only inspire the haters. :-)
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b
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 10:33 am:   

"inspire the haters. :-)"

hee hee. it's love in disguise.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 10:47 am:   

I think you're right, b. I think deep down, Lucius is head-over-heels in love with the Packers (and Notr--nah, I can't type that, even in jest). :-)

But bring it on, all you Vikings, 'boys, Gints & Browns fans. I want your bold predictions for the teams you love. We'll revisit this near the close of training camp, give folks a chance to tweak their predictions, and then come back at the end of the year and mock each other for our foolishness. (Okay, I'm expecting to be mocked long before then...)

But I stand by my original predictions about the Packers.

And Klima--keep your much too typical doom-and-gloom predictions for the Packers to yourself! j.k. Bring it on. I want it all, laid out here for the world to see. And mock.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 11:11 am:   

Naah, I like the Pack. I love the way Reggie whined after they played the boys and Farve's wha' hoppened stare after he throws yet another int..

Browns...top five pick in the draft.

'boys. Second place in Division, with an outside chance at the division if the Eags fuck up.

Cards can win their division...

Bucs....I'd say the Bucs are gonna have a good year, but I want to know more before predicting
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 11:15 am:   

What I love about the Pack is they have the personality of their coach -- ie, none.

And tFarve is a great source of amusement. So that's how I feel about the Pack and their fans. They amuse me.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 08:00 pm:   

The first step is admitting you have a problem... :-)
Is it Brett's rugged good looks that have you questioning yourself? Is it his aw-shucks, good ol' boy charm that you find undeniable? What is it about dear ol' Brett that calls out to you, Lucius?

I'm betting it's the good ol' boy charm, which also explains the love-hate relationship with Bobby Bowden...

Okay, I'm probably crossing the line, but that's okay. Lucius knows where to find me if he want to even the score. :-)

I don't know about the Bucs, but you're probably dead on about Browns, 'boys and Cards (though I'd bet against the Cards winning it, I do think they'll make a run at it early on).
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 09:36 pm:   

Uh...I'm not the one with pin-ups of Brett all over my office.
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Marguerite
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:20 am:   

If Lucius is amused by the Pack and their fans, then he's guaranteed non-stop chucks for a long time.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:25 am:   

In what sense do you mean?
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Minz
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:30 am:   

actually, I only have pinups of Reggie and Ron Dayne. Brett is on one of my posters--along with Reggie, Robert Brooks, Edgar Bennett and Mark Chmura (it's my '95 Div Champ poster)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 11:11 am:   

Not to mention various fetish items... :-)
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Minz
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 02:24 pm:   

leather and lace are hardly fetish items...more classic than anything. Nothin' compared to a SRL Cyber Slammin' Buddy! :-)

Oh, and there's my Donald Driver jersey (autographed, of course).
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 03:06 pm:   

The cyber slam isn't fetish. It has a entirely practical application...to build punching power. I will be delighted to demonstrate. :-)
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Minz
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 05:32 pm:   

>>The cyber slam isn't fetish. It has a entirely practical application...to build punching power.

Maybe you just aren't using it right. :-)

tell you what, we'll get Klima to volunteer for the demonstration at WFC (hey, if you're hitting me, it's not likely I'll fully appreciate the skills being demonstrated.)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 05:48 pm:   

I have the left hook of a god...an out of shape god, but godlike nontheless... :-)

Klima...I want YOU!
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Marguerite
Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 06:09 pm:   

Lucius sez: In what sense do you mean?

Just what I said.

I felt all scrappy earlier today, reading such hatin' on my beloved (beloved via genetics, it is true, but nonetheless beloved) team, but I have much, much worse hatin' to deal with. If the worst thing I have to face in the course of my day is people slagging Favre, I'm in clover.
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~b.
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 05:02 am:   

>Klima...I want YOU!

Rope-a-dope, JK! He's old! Wear him out in the clinch!

-

OK. Here's my pre-camp prediction for the Vikes. Mewelde Moore emerges as a premier RB behind a killer o-line that's fawned over by our new offensive coordinator, so, Denver-style, the Vikes could turn Don Knotts into a 1000-yard rusher. Combined with a defense that only has to be mediocre (it'll be better than that), and a passing game that will go from A+ to A-, the Vikes will be a team with old-school balance.

Division champs (easily) and NFC champs. Super bowl champs? We Minnesotans are now hard-wired never to speak of such things. Kevin Williams has his break-out year, and either he or Udeze will turn in pro-bowl performances behind double-digit sack totals.

NFL cliche alert, as Daunte steps up a level: "The crown has been passed, this season, from a hero of the past, Brett Favre, to greatness in the next generation, Daunte Culpepper."
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 06:05 am:   

Marguerite, I couldn't tell form yr post which way you were going. Now I know you're a packer lover, heh, well, sorry, but hatin' the pack is genetic with me.

Barth, the rope-a-dope only works if the puncher's too stupid to go to the body....I'm not stopid.

Division chanps...yeah.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 06:39 am:   

Man, I'm away from the board for a couple of days and Minn declares war on Wis.

My pick for the Boys? Second place in the division, wild card team. Unless the Madden Football curse strikes McNabb...
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barth
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 08:19 am:   

For my predictions to work, Josh, I'm banking on the Eagles finally imploding. So you can, too, as far as I'm concerned.

Regarding Klima v Shepard - Just look at Klima's catchy stories in EV. He's obviously too vulnerable to the hook. >rimshot!<
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Minz
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 11:26 am:   

OUCH. That one was bad enough to have me laughing out loud, b...in pain!
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John Klima
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 11:40 am:   

Whoa whoa whoa. I'm away from this thread for a moment and I'm threatened and besmirched?

You'd be better off going to the body, it won't hurt your hands as much. The head, it's all rocky and head and big like all good Wisconsin German heads are.

I'll just keep buying drinks and when he least knows it, Lucius will have agreed to write a story for me.

I nominate Frenkel for the left hook.

JK
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 11:50 am:   

Frenkel...Yeah. The Cyber Slam's gonna get a workout tonight. :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 12:33 pm:   

Barth - Eagle Implosion is on my Christmas List this year.
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~b.
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 03:11 pm:   

>Eagle Implosion is on my Christmas List this year.

Wow, a 'Boys fan and I have the same Christmas wish? Takes me back to the beginnings of the Favre era...

>laughing out loud, b...in pain!


It hurt to type it, too. Sorry, dude.
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minz
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 10:06 am:   

F*&# Drew Rosenhaus!!!
http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/jul05/338864.asp
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 10:11 am:   

:-)

I was gonna mention that, but wasn't it more fun to find out for yourself?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 12:09 pm:   

Do you feel the breeze blowing from 6-10 hell yet, Minz?

Ah, the good times are back. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 12:23 pm:   

Oh yeah -- there's an ESPN Chronicles piece tonight on the career of Brett Favre at 7:30; they're hyping it by having Brett say, in a voice that sounds like he's got his mouth full of peanut butter, I just wanna get back to duh Super Bowl. Should make for some tasty viewing. :-)
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minz
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 01:18 pm:   

Here, let me continue to bring joy into your life, Lucius:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/07/01/mailbag/index.html

Dr Z has a good point. Favre needs to be reined in. Our superior running game has helped mitigate his mistakes for the past few years, but he really hasn't improved with age. The early-to-mid 30s are the age when most of the great QBs took it to another level, thanks to savvy and smarts. Favre's stupid ass toss when he knew he was past the line in the playoff game last year, and his laughing about it: not an encouraging sign--that was the play that officially ended any real chance for a comeback. The resultant penalty pushed us out of easy FG range, Longwell missed, and it was over. Throw in the ridiculous lame duck toss in OT at Philly in the playoffs the year before and it's clear Favre's got to get a lot more serious about his football. I'm certain his skipping the minicamps should help. Oops, guess I'm channeling the spirit of Klima. I'll still take Brett for his guts and his arm, but he needs a coach to ride him. I'm hoping that with Sherman calling the plays, and not worrying about being a GM, he'll get up Brett's ass a little.)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 01:56 pm:   

I say implant a second brain in his spinal column. Maybe a frog brain. You wouldn' t want to create an imbalance.

That's always been the case. Been sayin' i t fer years. Holmgren's the only one to do it. After that, ol' redneck got too big fer his britches and started heaving 'em up. He actually believed he was more than a gomer.

"If I only had a brain..."
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 09:28 am:   

The blame isn't entirely on him. He's always been as smart as a bag of hammers. His coaches need to realize that and ride him to make the right decisions. It's not like Favre has ever defied his coach or something. You just gotta chide and ride him like he's a rookie. Different players have different holes in their games.
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minz
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:32 am:   

And here's what CBS Sportsline had to say in their team-by-team listing of the most over and underrated players in the league:

Overrated: Darren Sharper, safety

The Green Bay corners were ripped last season, but those who watched the tapes say Sharper had a lot to do with the Packers' poor pass defense. He took bad angles to the ball. Sharper isn't the same player he was three years ago when he was a quality safety.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:44 am:   

That overrated-underrated thing is starting to be a pain. When there's nothing else to say, make up some dumbass catgory. They may or may not be right about Sharper, but he's playing with better people now and his performance last year may have had something to do with trying to overcompensate for his teammates.

I agree with yer assessment of Farve, but this marks a sea change for you, Minz....
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 01:47 pm:   

Not really. I've always held that a match of wits between Favre and Bradshaw could be timed in ice ages...

But I think the old dog (who's 35 this year) will still have some life left in him, and with the improved defense and extremely talented offense around him, the Packers are going to have a good year. And while he's made costly mistakes in his day (what QB hasn't?), the numbers are still pretty damn good:
2004 regular season: completed 64.1% of his 540 passes for 4088 yards. 30 TDs 17INT QB rating: 92.4

When's the last time a Dallas QB had those kind of numbers? Hmm? Heck, when's the last time the 'Boys had a QB with a rating in the 80s? Hell, Aikman only had a 90+rating twice in his career, only threw more than 20 TDs once, over 11 seasons managed a paltry 165 tds to 141 INTs. So explain to me again how bad Favre is. I'm merely willing to grant Brett still has that gunslinger mentality, that they'd be better off if a coach got on him a little more (okay, at all) about making the smart play when nothing's there, and that his mindset has hurt the packers upon occassion. But hell, even Otto Graham managed to cost his team the '53 championship with a costly INT and fumble.

I think the WR threesome of Walker, Driver and Ferguson is one of the best in the league. Bubba Franks is a terrific possession TE. Ahman Green is a very strong running back who happens to have world-class sprinting speed (if he could just cut down on his fumbles in the first half of the season he'd be All World, instead of All-Pro), and Davenport is a damn fine backup. All of which means that if the Packers offense avoids serious injury, it could have a great season. And if it does, Brett will rack up numbers and get a lot of credit.

If the Packers manage 12 wins, and Brett has no better than the kind of numbers he had last season, he'll be in contention for the MVP. And will still be just a dumb ol' boy from Mississip who done made it real good in that thar preefeshunal football league.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 02:09 pm:   

Stats, especially one's like QB ratings. are the dumbest thing in the world. Aickman was one of the most accurate QBS in history, and his QB rating was low? Jesus.

Farve's just a good ol' boy? Gimme a break! He's got an ego the size of a Macy's float. He doesn't have a gunslinger mentality, he has a god complex...

Off course he'll get credit for anything the Pack does, except when they don't win.

C'mon, Minz. He deserves the MVP as much as Steve Nash, who also won a white man's award.

Bubba Franks is holding out.
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minz
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 02:36 pm:   

Did I ever say "deservedly win" the MVP? Nope. Just hoping and praying and predicting the cards'll fall just right and the Packers will have a great season, thereby earning Brett his fourth MVP. And he will deserve just as much as Nash (well, maybe. We'll see. He won't need to have as good a season as Nash did, comparatively, if the Packers can put together enough wins. 'cause he won't just get the white guy vote, he'll get all sorts of sentimental vote too. :-) )

The reason Troy suffers in the QB rating (agreed, a stat of somewhat limited value) is that his TD/INT ratio is so bad. And while 61.5% career completion percentage is pretty darn good, it isn't even as good as Brad Johnson's. (61.7%). Oh, and it's identical to Brett's. Who's thrown 376 TDs & 226 INTs. Heck, if you throw out Brett's two best years, so we're matching 11 years per player, it's still 299 TDs & 200 INTs.

In fact, the more I look at those numbers, the more I'm thinking Troy may not deserve to go to the Hall of Fame. Heck, he only managed to play 3 full seasons... :-)
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minz
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 02:38 pm:   

Only three weeks, baby. Then we can start talkin' about FOOTBALL, instead of egging each other on...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 02:41 pm:   

Different system. That's all I got to say.

Bubba Franks is still holding out.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 02:58 pm:   

You can watch foo'ball--I'm not sure about me.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 08:30 pm:   

Note is here taken that TSN ranks the Boys runnning game higher than the Packers.... Could be the disappearamce of the Ol has something to do with it..... :-)
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Minz
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 11:49 am:   

I was a bit surprised at the numbers when I went looking. Considering the 'boys lack of a passing game, I had expected better running, but their NFC ranking the past three seasons: 7, 8, 10. (04, 03, 02)
The Packers: 3, 1, 5

And we still have the same three running backs. The Pro Bowl center and both tackles, plus one of the big problems with last years running game was the failure of U71 formation, because kevin barry was fat and out of shape (he's the 71 in u71.) He stayed in GB this offseason and is in the best shape of his career. 2 years ago, it was damn near unstoppable, and that's when we had only one decent receiver.

What upgrades do the 'boys have other than Rivera? I suppose Bledsoe should improve the passing game, which should help the running game, but you've got to give him time. He reminds me a lot of Lynn Dickey (after all of Dickey's knee surgeries)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 12:35 pm:   

It's the passing of the torch. :-)

The young legs of Jones and Barber vs Ahman's tired ol' feet.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 06:11 am:   

That's why we keep a hearty 'Cane as a backup, one who's career average is 5.1 yards per carry. And he hasn't defecated in somebody's laundry basket for four years now... :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 06:14 am:   

Having Jones healthy should make a world of difference.

It was painful last year to watch Eddie "One Yard and a Cloud of Dust" George.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 06:32 am:   

Marion Barber was a good pick, and if Jones should go down, the Boys will be all right.

Minz, no knock against Najeh here. I think the Pack's stoopid not to use him more.
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minz
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 08:00 am:   

The thing is, as good as Najeh is, Ahman Green is a threat to go the distance every time he touches the ball. And that's the one thing Najeh doesn't have: World-Class Speed. The last time Ahman ran in the NFL's fastest man competition, he took third. While weighing 225 pounds (outweighing the rest of the field by 40+ pounds). Unlike most of these track guys, he's a football player who just happens to have ridiculous jets. And a penchant to sweat alot and drop a lot of footballs in September and early Oct. (He's lost 3 post-Halloween fumbles in his entire career...and waaay to many pre-Halloween.) Since 2000, nobody in the league has put up more yards from scrimmage, nor more rushing yards. Tough to justify giving his backup too much playing time.

But this may be the year Najeh gets to show more of his stuff. Ahman is getting old for an RB. It'll be interesting to see if he can be one of those rarest of RBs--one that can perform once he hits 30 (He's actually only 28, but he is an old 28)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 08:08 am:   

Ahman may be fast, but Najeh was a better football player in college and--I suspect--remains so.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 12:44 pm:   

I heard an interesting story today at lunch.

We were talking about T.O. and the big dude sitting next to me said he got a raw deal from Philly. I asked him to elaborate, and he said that the week before the Super Bowl, T.O. was presented with a fat K extension and told he had to sign it if he wanted to play in the game. This K apparently had a provision stating that, if he hurt his ankle again, he forfeited his entire 2006/2007 salary. This, the guy explained, was why he wanted to renegotiate in the off-season.

I didn't know this guy from Adam, but he seemed sure about what he was saying, claimed he lived for a time in Columbus, OH, and was certainly big enough to be a football player, so...I leave it to you to consider the source and evaluate the info. Interesting if it's true, though, and puts T.O. in a new light.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:12 pm:   

You think TO would have mentioned that had it happened. But be that as it may, I blame Philly every bit as much as him for what happened. They should have had a plan, but they were arrogant -- the fact that they thought TO would quail before the mighty gaze of Andy Reid, that they had no plan, make them equally culpable.

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