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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:34 pm:   

   By Lucius on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 02:05 pm:

Good news!

The NCAA has notified OSU of nine violations in its football program as regards financial and academiic assistance, as well as failure to monitor.

YAY!
   By Dave G. on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 02:31 pm:

Thank goodness that long national nightmare is over! Now that they've weeded out the bad apples, we can go back to enjoying the good, clean game we all love!
   By Lucius on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 02:47 pm:

Hey, fuck that! Just down with OSU...
   By Dave G. on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 04:50 pm:

Today OSU, tomorrow...Va Tech...?
   By Josh Rountree on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 06:19 pm:

While we're making our Christmas lists, I'd like to add Notre Dame.
   By Forrest on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:08 pm:

. . . and Nebraska.
   By Lucius on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:42 pm:

....And Free Shoes University...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 07:25 am:   

Not to be the turd in the punch bowl here, but I notice that the NCAA's letter only cites the Buckeyes football program for one violation: some booster giving a kid $500. Considering all the bombs Clarett was dropping, that's pretty minimal damage...

Most of the infractions were against the bball team under Jim O'Brien, that bad apple that B.C. showed the door to.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 07:38 am:   

Four words: LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL. If the Badgers can have more than 120 athletes suspended for receiving larger-than-advertised discounts from a discount shoe store, and OSU was already on thin ice, the NCAA should throw the book at them.

Will they? Who knows. I could see a slap on the wrist. I could see the loss of some scholarships across the board (since it reaches across multiple sports), and no postseason for the hoops teams. Since there was no violence against women involved, I suspect the NCAA will actually punish OSU at least a little.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 07:58 am:   

Hope, hope, hope.....
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 10:32 am:   

Could be an interesting scenario. OSU dominates every game they play in next year, but can't play for the NC, though they would be deserving. That would hurt!

Plus, it would throw even more doubt on the BCSBS, which is always a good thing.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:11 am:   

I don't think OSU on probation would hurt the BCS. It's happen before that great teams couldn't compete in the post-season. Little Bowden's undefeated Auburn team and Charlie Pell's undefeated Florida team, for instance...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:23 am:   

Ha. The argument won't be "throw out the BCS"; it will be "throw out the NCAA"! :-)
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:29 am:   

It's all good. Through both those babies out with the bath water...
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 02:26 pm:   

No, it wouldn't hurt the BCS, but it would cast more doubt on who the real national champion is and the discussions would turn, once again, to how badly the BCS sucks.

And that makes me happy. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 02:58 pm:   

Well, whatever makes you happy... :-)

But truly I don't think as long as it lasts the discussion will ever stray from the BCS...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 06:30 am:   

Thanks, Bobby Bowden, for that having that new All-Christian football program at FSU. Of this doesn't cement your position as the most execrable human being in college football, the most bandwagon jumping pathetic asshole...well, it does...
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 09:40 am:   

The BADgers and Temple have reached an agreement to play each other at Camp Randall. I can hardly contain myself.
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 09:43 am:   

Ivan Maisel has Wisconsin ranked 20th, going into fall. I think he fell and cracked his head.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 06:32 pm:   

Nice article on Pitt QB Tyier Palko in this weeks TSN. And a little sidebar hinting that they like Pitt over Louisville

Also this--Hawaii's schedule in 2006 include at Alabama, and home to Purdue.

Fla recruiting is up -- They just got a commitment from the top Texas QB prospect Jevan Snead who was considering a commitment to --Ta da--Texas.
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 05:43 am:   

Glory days! CFN has this to say about Notre Dame: "Overall speed and athleticism, at least at the elite of the elite college football level, is still lacking and there are few players that would crack the starting lineup of one of the top 15 teams. The pass defense was one of the worst in America last year and has to start out facing quarterbacks like Pittsburgh's Tyler Palko, Michigan's Chad Henne, Michigan State's Drew Stanton, Purdue's Brandon Kirsch, USC's Matt Leinart, BYU's John Beck and Tennessee's Erik Ainge. This might not be pretty."

Here's the whole article:

http://collegefootballnews.com/ind_nd/2005_Previews/NotreDame_Preview.htm

They'll be playing TN on WFC weekend. Anyone up for a good laugh?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 05:58 am:   

Yea!

Who's Miami playing WFC weekend? WIn or lose, Tenn-ND...there's no good outcome for me.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:35 am:   

That's okay, Lucius.

Didn't you know star QB's grow on trees around here?

;)
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Minz
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:45 am:   

AS a public service, here's the highlights WFC weekend (I've included posters' personal favs, and games of note, and more Big Ten because that's most likely to be televised in Madison regional coverage):
Wed 11/2: Uconn at WV (ok, it's the only game, and therefore a defacto highlight)
Th 11/3: Pitt @ Louisville--ESPN Th night game
Fr 11/4: Toledo @ Ohio (only game)
Sa 11/5:
Time:
TBA Wisconsin at Penn State
TBA Illinois at Ohio State
TBA Michigan State at Purdue
TBA N.C. State at Florida State
TBA Vanderbilt at Florida
TBA Boston College at North Carolina
TBA Miami at Virginia Tech
TBA Texas at Baylor
TBA Nebraska at Kansas
TBA Oklahoma State at Oklahoma
TBA Stanford at USC
2:30 PM Tennessee at Notre Dame
Michigan bye week
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:47 am:   

Yeah, and most of em wind up in Oklahoma....
:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:49 am:   

Miami-Tech...Come on! It's a no-brainer. Highlight of the weekend. :-)
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Minz
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 07:03 am:   

On TV it'll be pre-empted by IL @ OSU... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 07:09 am:   

Ever seen the Gov Club in ruins?
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Minz
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 08:55 am:   

There's no dish feed for Gov's Club, just whatever's offered on the networks and ESPN regional. We won't really know what's showing until the week before. And if the Miami-VT game is in one of the two early slots, Gov club won't be open (opens at 4:30 or 5). But never fear, there's many a pub in easy walking distance o' the Concourse Hotel. maybe we'll go to State Street Brats and go for total Bucky immersion therapy. (I can't wait to read the Lucius review of SSB.) Or maybe to the KK...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 09:02 am:   

Yeah, State Street Brats! I've never eaten a brat, if you can believe that.

Bucky immersion therapy...

I'll wear my ibis head.
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:28 am:   

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call State Street Brats a "pub". I like to think of it as "Riots-R-Us".
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John Klima
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:39 am:   

Never
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John Klima
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:39 am:   

eaten
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John Klima
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:39 am:   

brats?
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John Klima
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

We will fix this, oh we will fix this. In fact all of youse folks who have not eaten a brat should get this tragedy fixed this fall.

JK
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Minz
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:42 am:   

There really aren't that many "pubs" in downtown Madison--plenty of bars though. During the daytime, the KK actually qualifies as a pub(before all the frat boys invade at night). So does the Irish Pub, maybe Mondays. Too bad most of the good dives are gone. I crave a fix of the old Gennas, or 602 Club, much less Club de Wash or the Living Room. And the Echo sure has changed from when I lived on the block. Sigh...

But it sounds like State St Brats should be the destination--Lucius will either be converted, or he'll have an Antonio Montoya moment: "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIENDS..." And maybe stumble over to the Union either before or after, since we'll be that far down State anyway. Oh boy, already planning the pub crawls five months in advance! And that's not even countin the sweet deal at the Gov's Club. Better pack both of my spare livers.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:42 am:   

No, I have eaten rats, I think, in Latin America. That's the mystery meat you get from street vendors. Maybe a rat brat... :-)

Maybe they'll like the Ibis Head at State Street.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:48 am:   

I'd rather find a pub full of diehard Miami fans. Where might one be in Madison? :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:00 pm:   

One diehard Miami fan in Madison? I'm afraid you'll be it, Lucius. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 06:06 pm:   

Well, I like them odds? Miami 1 Wisconsin However many of them there is....

:-)
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 06:04 am:   

If you're talking the football team, we're in trouble, no matter what Ivan Maisel thinks (the guy is definitely on crack).
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 06:26 am:   

You know all eyes will be on Texas / Baylor.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 06:36 am:   

No, I'm just talking me, Forrest... :-)

Texas-Baylor. Oh, yeah. Who will win the Squashed Armadildo?
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 01:42 pm:   

I think Baylor will BE the squashed armadillo.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 01:50 pm:   

Well, yeah...

If that's not the case, it;s gonna be a loooong season...
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Forrest
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 10:22 am:   

Interesting question and answers for all the Big Ten haters (and FSU haters) out there:

http://collegefootballnews.com/2005/TQ/Tuesday_Question.htm
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 02:16 pm:   

I like them answers, 'cept for Michigan... :-)

I think they can win 2 of three of their big games, it's the game they're supposed to win that bring out the Carr Factor.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:29 pm:   

Has Bobby Bowden's religious proselytizing gone too far? From the AP:

"Suspended Florida State quarterback Wyatt Sexton was taken to a Tallahassee hospital on Monday evening by local police after causing a disturbance in the street, then identifying himself to police as "God" and the "son of God."

Sexton was not arrested."

Thank goodness. Tallahassee would not want THAT on its conscience!

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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:33 pm:   

He was, however, cruxified....
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 07:24 pm:   

too beautiful for words...

I thought the entire story deserved a memorial.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Suspended Florida State quarterback Wyatt Sexton was taken to a hospital by police who say they observed him behaving strangely, lying in the street and telling them he was God.

Sexton was hospitalized Monday night and on Tuesday a Florida State official said he was still under medical care at an undisclosed location. He has not been charged with any crime.

Florida State Assistant Athletic Director Rob Wilson said Sexton had been suspended from the team two weeks ago because of a previously undisclosed violation of team rules. He declined to elaborate on what rules Sexton broke and said the incident Monday appeared to be unrelated.

Sexton, 20, is the son of Florida State's assistant head coach and running backs coach Billy Sexton. Wilson said neither head coach Bobby Bowden nor Sexton's father would comment.

Sexton, who will be a junior in the fall, took over the starting quarterback job for the Seminoles at midseason last year, but was expected to compete for the job this year with Drew Weatherford and Xavier Lee who were redshirted as freshmen last year.

An incident report by Tallahassee police officer Zachary Lyne said he was called to a residential neighborhood about a report of a man doing push ups in the street and acting strangely. Police said they'd also had a call from a different person about a man in the same location laying in the street and yelling at passers-by, and another reporting the man had jumped on a car.

Lyne said he found Sexton in the middle of the road wearing only a wet pair of shorts.

The officer asked Sexton if he was OK and didn't get a response. He asked several times what the man's name was and eventually Sexton replied that he was God.

At one point, the man stepped toward Lyne and then ran away from him. When the officer yelled for him to stop, he turned and got on his hands and knees, yelled obscenities at the officer and stared at him.

Lyne said in his report that he feared Sexton might charge him so he doused him with pepper spray and radioed for assistance.

After other officers arrived, the police handcuffed him and he identified himself as Sexton.

Police said they took Sexton to the hospital fearing he was a danger to himself or others.

Police said that Sexton "appeared to be under the influence of some unknown narcotic or alcohol," but officials at the hospital said they didn't have any information on Sexton, including whether he had been found to be under the influence.

Sexton, who has won honors for his high grade point average, is from Tallahassee and grew up around the Florida State program.

Police said Sexton's roommates told them that Sexton had been at a Dave Matthews Band concert in Tennessee with them earlier Monday. They told police they didn't believe he had been drinking or taking any drugs, but said he had been stressed out over trying to win the starting quarterback job in the fall.

Once at the hospital, Sexton continued to say that he was God and that he didn't know why he was in the hospital, Lyne wrote in his report.

Sexton is just the latest Florida State quarterback to have troubles off the field.

In 2003, former FSU quarterback Adrian McPherson pleaded no contest to bad check charges and was sentenced to 90 days in a work camp. McPherson, drafted last month by the New Orleans Saints, had earlier been accused of betting on football games, including his own, but a trial on those charges ended in a mistrial.

Sexton's predecessor, Chris Rix, also ran into trouble while at Florida State, although his offenses were relatively minor. He was benched for the Sugar Bowl one year after oversleeping and skipping an exam and was also ticketed for parking in a handicapped parking spot -- a $100 violation.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 06:32 am:   

Proof positive that kids, the best way to quit Dave Matthews is -- don't start.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 07:05 am:   

Amen, brother.
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Buster
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:02 pm:   

Yeah. What an ass! Dave Matthews is god.
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JV
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:29 pm:   

What an odd story. Yeah, people here are a little bemused. I've offered to convert them to Gatorism, but no takers yet. :-)

JeffV
Tally
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 02:29 pm:   

When a BC athlete gets busted, it's just for passing good old all-American countefeit bills! Makes me proud.
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 07:47 am:   

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! NO! NO! NO! :-(

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2084550
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 07:56 am:   

Yeah, I know. I've been trying not to think about it.
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Minz
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 09:00 am:   

And here I'd been contemplating expanding our cable coverage so I could get ESPN this fall (it'll more than double our bill to go from analog to digital, but all the good stations are only offered in the digital package these days). Finally, a good reason to fuggedaboutit. Instead, I'll have to go to Hooters for my college fb fix. :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 06:25 am:   

I'll have to set the parental block on ESPN now.

God forbid my young, impressionable children stumble across Lou Holtz on their TV screen. How's a parent supposed to explain something like that??
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 02:07 pm:   

TSN predicts Boise State over Georgia early season. They also take a run at both Wisc QBS, Donavan and Stocco -- predict a really bad year. Their sleeper for the Heisman is Tyler Palko. One prediction I wholeheartedly agree with is that A Peterson of OU is going to have rough year. He's also got a shoulder injury and he's going to take a lot of big hits this year.

A quick perusal of the SEC Preview shows me that Tennessee must have the all time record for the fattest OL. I have a feeling though guys are going to be gassing when Florida kicks their ass in the Swamp.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 06:00 am:   

Items of interest:

TSN predicts a rebound season for BYU...

A breakout season for Omar Jacobs, BG qb...

Two recieivers out of the Sunshine State I'd like to menton, Dallas Baker of Fla and Darnell Jenkins of the U...
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:22 am:   

How bad do they think the Badgers will be? Are we talking "not even a chance at a bowl game"?

And I've got a hunch that BYU is going to be alright this year. Maybe even a top 25 team by the middle of the season.
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:24 am:   

More Badger woes:

http://www.gazetteextra.com/uwf_randleel062305.asp

Does it ever end?

Looks like I'll have to hope the Cougars do really well this year. Good thing I have two Alma Maters, or this year might be really depressing.

And Boise State over Georgia. I hope so, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I keep hearing both Baker and Jenkins names popping up. What's the skinny?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 10:03 am:   

They're basically saying a marginal bowl game, maybe--but the potential for real disaster is there.

Jenkins is an 180 pound burner who runs great routes and looks like he has the potential to become a better Roscoe Parrish, a much better received. Baker is a 6'3' 205 guy who has bloomed in Meyer's system and will have a fantastic year. Both the Canes and Gators are loaded at WR, even by their standards, and both teams have top five potential--if Kyle Wright can throw. Look out for Charlie Jones, who could be the next great Miami back.
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Devo
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 01:40 pm:   

DOESN'T ANYONE OTHER THAN FORREST WANT TO TALK COLLEGE BALL?

ARE WE NOT MEN?
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 06:13 am:   

Well, while at times I've been a glutton for punishment, I think this upcoming UW season may be all I can handle. Chatting about the buildup to one of the most challenging Badger seasons in recent memory just seems too masochistic even for me. (Though i think it's a wee bit early to be writing off Tyler Donovan. Let's see how the kid actually performs in a game before condemning him.)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 06:17 am:   

No, lets condemn him now'! :-)

Yeah, the cupboard is pretty bare in Madison. Alavarez is gonna have to coach 'em up.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 06:18 am:   

"Dave Campbell's Texas Football" has hit the shelves!

This publication is the bible of Texas football and covers every team from the Cowboys to the Lewisville Fighting Farmers. Football season has officially begun!

They pick Texas to beat both Ohio State and OU. And lest you think it's nothing but a "homer" mag, they predict no Texas pro teams will make the playoffs.

Vince Young and Reggie McNeil (A&M QB)are on the cover, and apparently they're pretty good friends. I guess I can forgive Vince for that if he pounds them again this year.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 06:23 am:   

Just 'cause he's being sensible about the pro game doesn't mean he's not being a homer... :-)
I think they'll lose both of those (don't get me wrong, they should be good games, and TX has a lot of talent, but then there's the whole coaching thing...)
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 07:50 am:   

TX does have a lot of talent, but not enough to beat OSU, methinks. It'll be close, but I'd be very surprised if the Longhorns can beat the Buckeyes at home. Stranger things have happened, I suppose, but I wouldn't overlook OSU. Despite all our wishes, they'll be a super-powerhouse this year. I've got two words for you: Ted . . . Ginn . . . oh, and two initials: AJ, as in Hawk. Ah, almost forgot Santonio Holmes, Ryan Hamby, Roy Hall, and Nick Mangold. I dunno. OSUs offense seems unstoppable, at least on paper. And its defense is pretty tight, too. What is this prediction based on, Josh? I need some convincing.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 08:09 am:   

I don't think Vince Young will be the best Qb of the field v Ohio State...and I'm not a big ten guy like these fellas. I think they shoud beat OU -- if they don't it's gonna be a long time 'fore they do.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:02 am:   

Let the kvetching begin...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/06/27/cfb.mailbag/i ndex.html
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:33 am:   

What's it say. Can't acess it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 11:03 am:   

BC's Tom O'Brien, one of the eight most underrated coaches in college football? I will agree when he starts winning some big games.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 06:23 am:   

Forrest - basically they say it's an even match with Vince Young tipping the scales in Texas' direction.

I think it'll be a great game that could go either way.
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for Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 07:12 am:   

Here's the content of the SI link above:

Judging by the e-mails I've received during the past couple of weeks, it seems college football readers, like the sport itself, are in the midst of a summer lull. Not to be mean, but if you had read most of the questions I had to choose from, you, too, would have been headed straight to the hammock for an afternoon siesta.

So to shake things up a bit, I'm resorting to the Internet's one no-fail gimmick (besides porn): lists. In particular, controversial lists that a majority of readers are almost sure to disagree with and will therefore be motivated to type something into that little Mailbag box.

The subject is today's college coaches: the best, the worst, the most underrated and the most overrated. These men almost exclusively were judged on their performance over only the past few years (because that's how quickly job-security status can change these days) and not their career as a whole (sorry, JoePa and Bobby Bowden). And because a head coach is nothing if not for his assistants, the rankings are a de facto assessment of the entire staff and its ability to both recruit and get the most out of the talent it assembles. As a whole, I tend to give more credit to guys who get a lot out of a little, which is why Miami's Larry Coker, who has a staggering 44-6 record but was also handed one of the greatest collections of talent in history by predecessor Butch Davis, does not appear on the "10 Best" list, while Boise State's Dan Hawkins, whose team would have a hard time staying within 20 of the 'Canes, does. So, without further ado:

My top 10 coaches heading into the 2005 season:
1. Pete Carroll, USC: It's hard to argue with this one. In slightly more than four years, he's created the sport's reigning juggernaut, assembled a brilliant staff (which he since has had to replenish), cleaned up in recruiting and continually demonstrated his keen defensive mind with his game plans and in-game adjustments.

2. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: He would have been No. 1 this time a year ago, but Carroll unseated him in somewhat embarrassing fashion. While Stoops' once impregnable rep has taken a hit after two consecutive late-season collapses, the fact is his teams have had five consecutive seasons of 11 wins or more and played for three national titles.

3. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa: No one has done a better job the past three years of turning dust into gold, producing three straight 10-win seasons and two shared Big Ten titles despite an overall talent level that pales in comparison to that of conference rivals Ohio State and Michigan.

4. Jim Tressel, Ohio State: While his overly conservative nature is tough for many to stomach (and may have cost the Buckeyes a couple of games early last season when he stubbornly stuck with a horrendous rushing attack), he already has won one national title and has recruited the talent base necessary to win another.

5. Bobby Petrino, Louisville: I know, he's only been on the job for two years, but the guy is a certifiable guru. While John L. Smith got the Cardinals' ball rolling, Petrino has taken them to a whole other stratosphere with his unique offensive mind and ability to recruit BCS-caliber skill players.

6. Urban Meyer, Florida: While it remains to be seen how his system will fare at the major-conference level, there's no denying the rapid effect he had at both of his two previous stops, Bowling Green and Utah, and his new-age offensive approach has taken the sport by storm.

7. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech: Beamer is another master of maximizing his resources, as he demonstrated again with last season's ACC title in what really should have been a rebuilding year. His ranking would be higher if not for a couple of disappointing showings in 2002 and '03.

8. Dan Hawkins, Boise State: What Hawkins is doing in the land of smurf turf is nothing short of remarkable. The Broncos have dominated the WAC the past three years, going 36-3 by constantly adjusting their approach to fit their various strengths each season.

9. Phillip Fulmer, Tennessee: Fulmer's staff has taken its share of criticism, but that's partially because it raised the bar so high in the '90s. The Vols have broken out of the brief rut they hit earlier this decade, winning the SEC East last year and nabbing the nation's top recruiting class.

10. Mack Brown, Texas: There undoubtedly will be many who say Brown should be nowhere near this list because he has yet to actually win any sort of championship, but there's no denying he has created an enviable program that has won 10 or more games each of the past four seasons.

Just missed: California's Jeff Tedford, Fresno State's Pat Hill, Michigan's Lloyd Carr (more on him in a bit), Georgia's Mark Richt and Auburn's Tommy Tuberville.

The five worst:
Note: To be fair, coaches who haven't completed three years at their school weren't included (except for one obvious exception).

1. Chan Gailey, Georgia Tech: What's the difference between failed NFL coach Carroll and failed NFL coach Gailey? An ability to command respect from his players. For three years, the Jackets have demonstrated a lack of discipline both on the field (where they continually lay eggs just before or after flashing potential brilliance) and off it (numerous academic and legal casualties).

2. Rich Brooks, Kentucky (the exception): The former Oregon/St. Louis Rams head man has been a disaster since Day 1, taking over a program that finally was starting to stick its head above water and running it straight into the ground (6-17) while failing to elicit any sense of excitement among potential recruits (mainly because they don't believe he'll be there much longer).

3. Gary Pinkel, Missouri: Rarely has a coach so thoroughly screwed up a star player's development as Pinkel did with QB Brad Smith last season, drawing a deluge of public criticism -- including from Smith's father (who compared the coach's personality to a dill pickle). The onetime hot commodity needs to contend for the Big 12 North title this year or he'll be looking for a new job.

4. Bobby Wallace, Temple: While it's hard to pin too much blame on a guy who's stuck in a near-impossible situation, the fact remains he's gone 19-60 in seven seasons and shown few signs of any potential breakthrough around the corner.

5. Joe Paterno, Penn State: Ouch. It hurts to even write this. But if this were a blind evaluation in which Paterno was known only as Coach A, and Coach A had gone 26-33 the past five seasons at a Big Ten school with the tradition and resources to compete for conference and national titles, there's not an informed observer out there who wouldn't conclude that Coach A is a bad coach.

As an added bonus, I give you my eight most underrated (Wyoming's Joe Glenn, Texas Tech's Mike Leach, Southern Miss' Jeff Bower, Baylor's Guy Morriss, Boston College's Tom O'Brien, UTEP's Mike Price, Toledo's TomAmstutz and Michigan State's John L. Smith) and four most overrated (N.C. State's Chuck Amato, Virginia's Al Groh, Texas A&M's Dennis Franchione, Minnesota's Glen Mason).

Finally, a quick word on Carr, because I know you'll ask. I just don't think he fits on any of these lists. I don't think he's one of the 10 best. I certainly don't think he's one of the five worst. And I don't think he's necessarily overrated or underrated. On the positive side, he has overseen one of the nation's most consistently successful programs of the past 10 years, and he's appeared in the past two Rose Bowls. On the negative side, he annually has, if you believe the recruiting rankings, as much talent on hand as any team in the country, yet hasn't contended for a national title since the one he won in '97 and, without fail, loses at least one early-season game he shouldn't. So, for the purposes of these rankings, he's somewhere in between.


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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 07:22 am:   

Mack Brown hahahahaha
Phil Fulmer hahahaha


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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 07:30 am:   

OSU by 2TDS over UT,,,and I'll be happy if I'm wrong,,,
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 07:48 am:   

I would love to believe that O'Brien belongs on a list of the most underrated, but BC always has good talent every season, and (apologies to BE board members) has been in a pretty softie conference, generally speaking. Yet he always manages to underachieve and lose games that could easily have been won (the Wake Forest games the last two seasons come to mind). I just don't see where the "underrated" part comes in...beating UConn? ND?
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 06:40 am:   

Don't forget, Lucius, that Texas has a new defensive coordinator in Gene Chizik. He wasn't too shabby at Auburn last year, and I think he'll have more defensive talent to work with at Texas. This team isn't going to give up a lot of points, even with the admittedly painful loss of Derrick Johnson. Texas has one of the best defensive lines in the league.

As for the offense, one big question mark is whether or not one of our young running backs can step up and take pressure off Vince. We don't need a superstar, just someone who can pose a potential threat and draw some of the opposing defense's attention. If that happens, then look out. Vince will be gone.

The receiving corp should be improved this year. Last year's youngsters will be somewhat more seasoned and I expect Kwan Cosby to make an impact early. He committed to UT 3-4 years ago but decided to play baseball. That didn't work out, so he's back, in shape and apparently hungry for his chance to show why he was such a coveted recruit coming out of high school. Add returning star tight end David Thomas, and Vince has some decent receiving targets.

Which brings us to his supposedly improved passing. If the rumors are true - and I don't know for sure either way - then that might make all the difference. We may lose by two TDs to Ohio State, but I think there's a decent chance we could win by 2 TDs too.

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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 10:01 am:   

Well, if you have an improved passing game, but I don't buy Vince Young as a passer...he looks like a classic NFL wide receiver...Maybe an all-pro wr, but a wr nonetheless....

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Forrest
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 01:03 pm:   

Youboty will make mincemeat of Young if he makes the slightest off-target pass. If Young can throw against the weak side, so be it, but one mis-step and Youboty is going to town. Hawk is also likely to get into the action on any short-passing situations (and repeatedly cramming his pads down Young's throat).

Texas' D-line will keep the Buckeyes honest, but they need to worry about the secondary. Holmes and Ginn will absolutely tear things up, given half a chance. I dunno. I agree with Lucius, OSU by 2 TDs. More if Youboty gets his hands on a wayward pass.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 01:38 pm:   

You know, if it wasn't for the Lloyd Carr factor, I'd like Mich over OSU...but Texas....Nope. We'll see pretty soon....
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 08:33 pm:   

That Fla-Wyoming game could be a tussle, too.
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 06:46 pm:   

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3754058

Well, it's still craptacular, but at least one ranking doesn't take "hold" for a month after the start of the season. A step in the right direction, albeit a really teeny one.

And I think that ESPN's departure from the Coaches poll says something . . .
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 06:47 pm:   

And, Lucius, I'm sure the Gators will take it, but I think Wyoming will gain some respect on the way.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 06:58 pm:   

Meaningless, really.

Yeah, the Gators will Growl....they better be ready for Tennessee....
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 10:16 am:   

You know, the more I look into it, the more I think that BYU's opener with Boston College might be a really good game. I don't know that BYU has the goods to pull it off - doubt it very much, in fact - but there could be some fun moments. I'm especially looking to see what Todd Watkins can do against BC's excellent defensive backfield. I'll also be really curious to see how BYUs 3-3-5 offense does against BCs power running game and excellent OL. I get the feeling that if Watkins can get loose and the other WRs can give him some breathing room (especially if Curtis Brown is taking short dumps over the middle), this will be a really high scoring game on both sides, with the Cougars airing it out and BC pounding the ground. Interesting matchup.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 10:47 am:   

If it's a night game, I like their chances. They do have lights for the field at BYU, right? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 10:51 am:   

They've got boys dressed as angels holding tapers...or it tapirs? :-)

Yup. That should be a good game, and I like BYU. They got the offensive pop to outscore BC, whose secondary is subpar.
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minz
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 11:11 am:   

Next on Discovery Channel, the Flaming Tapirs of Malaysia & La Vell
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 11:19 am:   

Which leads to, Night Of The Flaming Tapirs...
by George Romero...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 02:15 pm:   

Let me go on record...BC will crush, crush, CRUSH the Cougars!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 02:24 pm:   

And you've been so accurate in you prediictions....
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 02:31 pm:   

Ah, but it's a new year...OUR year!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 02:50 pm:   

Yeah, one preview picks BC last in the conference. You guys are gonna miss the Big East. I know I do.
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Forrest
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 05:59 am:   

I think it will be a close game, either way, even if it is high-scoring. If someone loses by a big margin, it means that the loser didn't play anywhere near their ability.

Unfortunately, the game is at 1:30 pm, which is night only in the antarctic. It's funny you mention that - the Y does play better ball at night. Maybe if they turn the lights on they'll *think* it's night and play better.

Any other teams out there play better at night than during the day? Seems like USC consistently wins at night, even when they don't win every game of a season. And their near-misses last year came mostly during the day, if I remember correctly.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 06:50 am:   

I believe USC's toughest game was at night v Va Tech.

LSU used to be formidable at night--they played all their home games at night, but TV's changed all that. In HS, all our games were at night--so were most HS games in the deep south. The Seabreeze Sandcrabs were badass at night. :-)

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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 06:54 am:   

A late start would totally throw off an East Coast college team, basically starting a game around 10pm to their body clocks. Early start really levels the playing field. Should be interesting. Early BC lead would mean the running game could really grind out the win. BYU will have to score early and often.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:44 am:   

Last in the ACC North, perhaps, but first in our hearts. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:50 am:   

What you mean "our" , white man? :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 11:24 am:   

One thing people forget about playing at Cougar . . . er, Lavelle Edwards Stadium is it's altitude. I'm not sure exactly what that altitude is, but I'm willing to bet it's several thousand feet higher than the highest spot in Boston. One thing I fondly remember about BYU football games was seeing most opponents (Utah and Air Force excepted) taking oxygen. The opposing bench looked like an airliner getting ready for a crash landing, there were so many oxygen masks. This proved particularly true for RBs out of eastern schools (I thought that VA's running back's lungs were going to collapse at one point), whose stamina was compromised because of the thinner air. Granted, it's not a major factor, but it's a factor, nonetheless. Of course, BYU's home win record has been anemic lately.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 11:53 am:   

The highest spot in Boston...Hmm. Probably has something to do with Bennifer 2... :-)

BYU routs BC. 63-27. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 11:58 am:   

The highest point in Boston used to be the old South Street dorms on BC campus. Lots of Grateful Dead fans there...Now, it's wherever they cooked up the John Ruiz-Kevin McBride fight.

Damn, Lucius, is BYU bringing back Jim McMahon? BC 28, BYU 21...:-)
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Forrest
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 01:28 pm:   

BYU 31 BC 28 :-)

And BC will lead the first half 21-10 . . . until the air gets thinner and thinner and thinner . . . The eagle's secondary will tire just as the cougar's receivers warm up. Look for an exciting second half.
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 06:07 am:   

It just dawned on me that the beginning of the season is less than two months away. Must . . . hold . . . out . . .
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 06:42 am:   

Recalibrate BYU hits 100 ve BC. :-)

More like six week, Forest...
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:22 am:   

If the Angel Moroni came down and parted the BC DL, BYU couldn't hit 100.

Revised prediction: BC 35, BYU 21.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:29 am:   

Recalibrate

BYU 107 BC10
a scorring error was made in your favor! :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:45 am:   

If Joseph Smith was the ball carrier behind a flying wedge of Osmonds led by the Angel Moroni, the BYU offense could not outscore BC's high-flying Eagle attack!

SCREEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:46 am:   

BC 52, BYU 38, and only because Tommy O will put in all the redshirt freshmen in the fourth quarter.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:16 am:   

The Charlatan O'Brien strokes out after the seventh BC TD--the eagle is sexually assaulted by the BYU mascot, and as a result both are forbidden the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:46 am:   

Cosmo the Cougar always sort of creeped me out.

How ironic that the Eagles will lose to BYU's air game. For shame, Dave . . . :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:48 am:   

"a flying wedge of Osmonds"

that's hilarious . . . and particularly disturbing. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:02 pm:   

We're going to beat up on the BYU Polygamists so bad that they are going to have to tithe us 10% of their points for the rest of the season. Cosmo the Cougar will be turning tricks at the Franklin Park Zoo and bringing the money home to Chestnut Hill.
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 02:15 pm:   

Seriously, though. I'll be surprised if it's not close AND high scoring, no matter who wins. Should be a good one.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 02:16 pm:   

And yeah....and then the dream ended. BC -- Beyond Clueless. !45-7 BYU.

Hey, wiconsin guys. Something to keep you warm though that 0-11 season. James Bohannon, your PG recruit, is getting raves from McDonalds All America camp. People say he a complete offensive player.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 02:40 pm:   

BC = Bitchslaps Cougars, 68-2. Then, we're coming for the Canes...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 02:48 pm:   

Coming for the Canes...

There won't be enough left of rhe Eagles after the Cougs are done for the Canes to blow away...

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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 03:48 pm:   

Interesting about Bohannon, seeing that Rivals ranks him behind the other recruit, Gavinski. Could be a very good couple of years for basketball.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 03:56 pm:   

RIvals isn't exactly Einsteinian. Apparently Bohannon is kicking ass and taking names....
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Forrest
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 08:30 pm:   

No, you're right, it's not. But, then again, they've been "on" a few times. Where did you hear about Bohannon? I saw some footage of him not that long ago on the local news, and he seemed fundamentally solid from the minute or so I saw. But anyone can look good for a minute with the right edits!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:03 pm:   

TSN. They had a little piece on six prospects who were opening eyes in the Reebok and MacDonalds camps, and he was one. They said "Wisconsin fans are going to be thrilled..."
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Minz
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:17 am:   

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/ncaa/07/15/bc.bkc.kansas.ncaa.a p/index.html

So Roy Williams okays booster payments while at Kansas (the only sanctions thus far are against Women's Hoops and Football, hence it's shoehorned into this thread). If the NCAA actually had justice in mind (insert joke here), not only would Kansas face sanctions, but Williams should face sanctions where ever he is, as long as it's under NCAA jurisdiction. "Misunderstood the rules"?!? Give me a break. Students are never eligible to get paid by boosters. Period. Any schmoo with even an inkling about college sports knows that. (And to beat a dead horse, how does a coach knowingly approving payment to players compare to, oh, I dunno, student athletes getting larger than advertised discounts from a discount shoe store? The same kind of discounts the store offers high school athletes, etc?)

Gosh, I wonder if Williams will walk away scot-free...
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Minz
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:20 am:   

I'm not saying UNC's national championship should be compromised, But I am saying Williams should be suspended now. Period.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:29 am:   

I'm afraid I'm cynical about this. Yes, major college coaches have the moral fiber of termites, but they all get away with shit unless there's a murder (see Baylor) or something. If Jim Tressel is still allowed to coach at OSU, hey, I think by contrast Roy Williams should be awarded the Freedom Medal.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:42 am:   

Oh, I don't expect anything will be done, but something should be done. And Tressel should be hung out to dry. But the NCAA being an absolute joke is nothing new...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:47 am:   

What we need is a hit team of crack science fiction writers armed with sniper rifles to work their way coach by coach through the NCAA ranks...That'll larn 'em! :-)
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Minz
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:28 am:   

Now, now, the punishment should fit the crime. I think the punishment should be doled out by Terry Tate, Office Linebacker, with sentencing being done in number of hits/day, where Tate just stalks them and lays them out when they least expect it. Bloodied and beaten, not dead.

Save the sniper action for those who deserve it: the NCAA itself :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:39 am:   

Whatever....

You don't think Tressel et al deserves "it?"

I does! Guess we handle things differnt in Ol' Virginny.
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Minz
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:15 pm:   

Maybe a little quality time with a plunger and the NYPD. If they're dead, you can't keep punishin' 'em.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:27 pm:   

I see your point. :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 03:02 pm:   

I think Williams should have to walk from his home to Shoe Box while the entire Wisconsin "Shoe Box" team and coaching staff make illegal blocks on him.

Oh, and all the alumni too . . . :-)
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 03:04 pm:   

forgot about the boosters and everyone employed at Shoe Box at the time. Everyone affected gets a piece of him.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 03:18 pm:   

Illegal blocks? Wrong sport. How about they set moving picks on his ass. :-)
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 06:41 am:   

Um, you guys have seen the Terry Tate Office Linebacker ads for Reebok, right? Where he just blindsides the crap outta run-of-the-mill office folks for various minor infractions. That's what I want for Tressel. A year's worth of Terry Tate stalking his ass, cleaning his clock when he leasts expects it, then taunting his ass while he whimpers on the ground. :-)

Williams deserves a week or two, maybe a month.
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 06:53 am:   

The annual Big 12 media event starts today. All the coaches, players, etc. gather together for mass interview sessions. It's always interesting to see how hopeful everyone is this time of year. Even teams like Kansas...

The assembled media picked Texas to win the South. Of the 50 possible first place votes, Texas received 40, OU got 9, and TX A&M got 1.

Worthless spectulation, sure...but me likes!
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 08:14 am:   

Current SI (I think it was SI--it was one of the major sports websites I was surfing this weekend) poll had them at #2 overall, behind USC of course.
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 04:27 pm:   

Texas is getting a lot of attention in the preseason. I just don't think that bodes well for Longhorn fans . . .

Lucius, I wasn't looking for the right sport, I was looking for NCAA-violation-vigilante justice, regardless of sport. I'd just as soon see him beaten with the dismembered limbs of the NCAA infraction committee by our cheerleaders. Doesn't matter a whit to me, so long as he's punished by those who shouldn't have been punished. Sometimes I'm just plain evil. :-)
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Josh Rountree
Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 06:21 am:   

Yeah, it could go either way for Texas. I see them having the talent to win it all, but I can also see them losing four games. Can't wait until September...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 08:14 am:   

I just thought a moving pick would be more apt... :-)

I think Texas beats OU, but as said, not OSU. Michigan would have beat 'em in the Rose Bowl if Carr hadn't played his linebackers back. OSU won't be doing that.

I'm not a Texas-hater, Josh. Just my opinion.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 08:17 am:   

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