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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 07:19 am:   

Bono has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.....

WTF?
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Rich P.
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 07:32 am:   

Hmmm. He did turn Dylan on to Daniel Lanois...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 09:04 am:   

Maybe it's for his "book on CD" of instructions for dismantling atomic bombs.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 09:26 am:   

You kbow, that could be it. Every kid should have one. Good call!
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Bono Vox
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 09:55 pm:   

It's 'cos of the wonderful work I done with the rain forest and the pygmies and the hobbits and all....

Play the blues, Edge....
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MarcL
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 09:57 pm:   

Ridiculous. It should go to Cher.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 10:13 pm:   

I think she already won it and that makes her inelegible.

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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 12:17 pm:   

Personally, I think it should go to Don "Ocean's Twelve" Cheadle for all that wonderful work he did saving Tutsi refugees in Rwanda. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 12:26 pm:   

Don Cheadle maybe for the Peace Prize, but no way for the Oscar....:-)
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 05:33 pm:   

i can't believe they're over looking the rest of the band. shocking ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 05:38 pm:   

Yeah, it is kinda. Maybe the Edge may get...well, I don't know...something.

I once was in band called Fuck U2..
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 08:59 am:   

I can't believe the Committee overlooked Adam Clayton. Bono may have worked on behalf of Third World debt relief, but Clayton was engaged to Naomi Campbell. If that doesn't qualify you for a Peace Prize, I don't have the foggiest what would!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:08 am:   

Adam Clayton?

Who's he?

A case could be made for Adam Ant or Adam Clayton Powell, but....
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 03:25 pm:   

Adam Clayton? The bassist for U2?

Lucius, how could you be in Fuck U2 and not know who A.C. is? I mean, come on, know your enemy, bro!

Yeah, Adam Ant! He's a Head of State! After all, he was King of the Wild Frontier! But that whole "gun in the pub" incident probably scotched any peace price hopes...Those boys have long memories...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 03:35 pm:   

I just wasn't thinking.

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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 05:20 pm:   

you know, lucius, i've never been in a band called Fuck U2, but i've said Fuck U2 a lot.

sometimes, i'm even talking about the band.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 05:30 pm:   

Well, that was the beauty of the name, huh? :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 04:11 am:   

that's true. one of those names that bought people together, i'm sure ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 04:22 am:   

There's a lot of powerful good will in saying, Hey, Sandusky! We're Fuck U2! :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 08:23 am:   

Ah, I'm sure that it was intentional by the band.

Remember, that "Bono is Love" (and I don't mean Courtney).
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 09:01 am:   

Bono is not love. At best, Bono is mild distaste.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

Lucius, don't fight it...Bono loves you...join us...join us...join us...:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 10:52 am:   

That revolting little gobshite in gold lame knickers loves me?

Ewww!
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al duncan
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:05 am:   

I've always thought 'Bono' sounds like a dog treat. Actually, I've always thought he should be thrown to the dogs.

Here, boy! Hey, boy! Ya wanna Bono? Ya wanna Bono? Do ya? Do ya? Eh? Catch!

CHOMP crunch crunch crunch crunch
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 08:03 am:   

There's an arf in every chewy morsel....
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 10:47 am:   

From Reuters:

LOS ANGELES: Could the only person ever nominated for an Oscar, a Grammy, a
Golden Globe and the Nobel Peace Prize now take over at the World Bank?

The Los Angeles Times has devoted a lead editorial to the proposition that
Bono, the Irish frontman of rock band U2, "should be named the next president
of the World Bank ".


Hoax, or exceedingly clever ruse to defang future World Bank protests? You make the call.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 10:52 am:   

to defang future protests? My god, it would exacerbate mine. Surely they're not serious?
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:26 am:   

Subsequently reprinted in Toronto, St. Paul and Dublin...Alas, I wish this was a prank.

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
All Rights Reserved
Los Angeles Times

February 25, 2005 Friday
Correction Appended
Home Edition

SECTION: CALIFORNIA; Metro; Editorial Pages Desk; Part B; Pg. 12

LENGTH: 454 words

HEADLINE: Bono for the World Bank

BODY:

Bono, the U2 rock star, has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and
he is a credible candidate. But we have a better idea on how best to recognize
his effective lobbying on behalf of African development -- Bono should be
named the next president of the World Bank.

Don't be fooled by the wraparound sunglasses and the excess hipness. Bono
is deeply versed in the issues afflicting the least-developed nations of the
world, as former Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill learned when he traveled the
continent with the musician.

O'Neill, an uber-wonk, came back singing Bono's praises. Bono even
brought ultra-conservative Sen. Jesse Helms to tears by relating poverty in
Africa to passages in the Bible.

Bono may not have a PhD in economics, but he'd have plenty of real
economists around the bank to consult. Bono is the most eloquent and
passionate spokesman for African aid in the Western world. And given that both
ex-President Bill Clinton and British Prime Minister Tony Blair have in recent
years made Africa one of their focuses, that's saying something.

Bono led the Drop the Debt campaign in 2000, seeking to forgive billions in
loans to the Third World, and in 2002 he co-founded Debt, AIDS and Trade in
Africa, a serious group that seeks to raise awareness of Africa's problems and
lobby governments to help solve them. It could hardly ask for a better spokesman
than its founder, whose fame has helped open doors that other lobbyists spend
decades trying to crack.

Bono could enhance the World Bank's image and sell its poverty-reduction
mission far more effectively than the other deserving candidates being
mentioned for the job, which traditionally goes to an American -- a tradition
that deserves to be broken, even if not in favor of the Irish rock star.

For one thing, Bono could mobilize public opinion in favor of getting rich
nations to abide by their commitments to development aid, which they rarely
meet.

The singer likes to tell the story of how he got interested in Africa after
visiting Ethiopia following the Live Aid benefit for Ethiopian famine relief in
1984. At the recent World Economic Forum in Davos, he compared contemporary
indifference to Africa's plight with the indifference of some who saw Jews being
herded away on trains during World War II. Surrounded by titans of industry at
Davos, he also spoke of aid to Africa in terms of brand identity: Brand America
is doing poorly around the world, he said, and spending more on poverty relief
would help market the country and its products.

President Bush, who has a large say in who will get the job, should realize
that Brand America and the branding of both the World Bank and development
generally would benefit greatly if Bono gets the nod.

CORRECTION-DATE: February 26, 2005

CORRECTION:

World Bank leadership -- A Friday editorial urging that U2 singer Bono be
named head of the World Bank mistakenly said the Live Aid benefit took place
in 1984. The concert was staged in 1985.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:40 am:   

Ewwww!

Lets make Sting king. He could be know as Stingking the first.

Well, considering Bush is President, I guess it makes sense.
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MarcL
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:21 pm:   

We could even try to give out Stingking Badges, so that other people could say "We don't need no Stingking Badges."
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:29 pm:   

Yes, indeed. :-)

Trudie Styler for Rain Forest Photo-Journalist/Groupie of the Year.
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MarcL
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:32 pm:   

Where is Bob Geldof these days anyway? Running the IMF?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:40 pm:   

I think he's in charge of SETI
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MarcL
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:56 pm:   

Under Geldof's able guideance, SETI@Home has been covertly tasked with composing lyrics to new Boomtown Rats songs for their big comeback.

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 01:06 pm:   

Which are translated from alien messages from the stars, where the Boomtown Rats are Gods....
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 02:35 pm:   

Chumbawumba for PM (the whole lot of 'em). Now taht would be FUN!
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 03:29 pm:   

I always thought Brian Ferry and Brian Eno should be made dukes or earls or thanes or something.

This all puts into sobering perspective that whole Springsteen for Senate write-in campaign, doesn't it?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 04:15 pm:   

If only Joey Ramone had lived...
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MarcL
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 04:39 pm:   

...to see the new Diet Pepsi commercial, you mean?
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MarcL
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 04:40 pm:   

Brian Eno: Thane of Tiger Mountain

Brian Ferry: Duke of Avalon

Bruce Springsteen: Senator of the Edge of Town

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 04:58 pm:   

That woud make David Bowie...what? Stripped of all titles?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 06:26 am:   

I guess he would still be the Thin White Duke.

Maybe Mali could convey some title on him and Iman.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 07:52 am:   

Would Andy Partridge from XTC be the Duke of Stratosfear, King for a Day or the Mayor of Simpleton?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 08:07 am:   

I don't care.

XTC....groddy pop.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:16 am:   

Only a Grumpy Gus would slam XTC...:-)

I suppose there would have to be places in our pop aristocracy for the Kings of Leon, the Kings of Convenience, the Gipsy Kings, the Amboy Dukes, and the Upper Crust (who all hold French nobleman's titles).

Not to mention BB King, Ben E. King, Earl Slick and the late Boston punk impressario Joe "Count" Viglione.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:46 am:   

I don't like pop. It's sappy.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 11:19 am:   

While we're on the subject of signs of the apolcalypse, my kudos to NBC who, in the process of devoting endless hours of droolingly intense coverage to the most sickeningly prurient celebrity trial in history, reports that Michael Jackson's people threatened to portray a victim's mother as a "crack blank" because Standard and Practices wouldn't let them say "crack whore."

Bravo, people.
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Bill Reynolds/Socrates17
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:22 pm:   

Sorry, Lucius. XTC is NOT sappy. Ever hear some of their keen anti-clerical lyrics? Not ALL bands have to sound like The Dog Faced Hermans (although, come to think of it, if they did then I might be able to listen to the radio.)

The Michael Jackson trial is one really good reason that I don't watch TV.
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Bill Reynolds/Socrates17
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:27 pm:   

Besides, if all pop is sappy what would that make Sparks? (Who were the inspiration for Those Annoying Post Brothers.)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:33 pm:   

I think it's very tasteful of NBC. Probably earned them the approbation of the Christian right. Perhaps another choice -- crack lady of the evening -- might have been more genteel. Or euphemistic -- crack angel. Or biblical -- crack Magdalene. Etc, etc....
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Bill Reynolds/Socrates17
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 04:30 am:   

The SciFiCom site had the unmitigated gall in January to announce in the same article in SciFiWire that NBC (which owns SciFiCom) was launching two new Science Fiction (sic) shows.

One, it turns out, is about a "hip, modern" Jesus and the other appears to be a Late Great Planet Earth clone. (This subsequently turned out to be a mini-series. I imagine the length would depend on whether the writers were pre-millenial or post-millenial.)

I don't think NBC has to worry about their appeal to the Christian right.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 05:01 am:   

Well, I never could stand XTC's sound enough to listen to their lyrics. I don't care if lyrically speaking you're a modern Rilke, if you're stringing your words out in a tune that could be used for a hamburger jingle...Yech. No, not all bands should sound like the Dog Faced Hermans, but neither should any of them sound even remotely like the (gag) Beatles

A hip, modern Jesus? Gee, I want to see that, I really do want to see NBC's idea of hip, modern....
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 06:38 am:   

The hip, modern Jesus is going to be -- what? -- like some kind of riff on Joan of Arcadia? I still like my idea about all the hell historical JC would catch if he showed up in modern America.

How about "crack courtesan"? Now, that is class.
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StephenB
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 07:07 am:   

No, not all bands should sound like the Dog Faced Hermans, but neither should any of them sound even remotely like the (gag) Beatles

Wait a minute Lucius. Don't you like Pink Floyd? Their biggest influence IS the Beatles. They just took it farther.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 07:37 am:   

Well, I guess if you hate the Beatles you would probably hate XTC.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 07:46 am:   

The Beatles were fucking awful. A step away from bubble gum....Paul was beyond belief bad and John Lennon...if he hadn't been shot and cannonized, Imagine would a laughable piece of shit...

What I liked about PInk Floyd was essentially David Gilmour.

I like historical Jesus v hip Jesus, a time travel story in which the two saviors are at odds...Call it, Jesus of Nazareth, PA
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 08:03 am:   

Or "Screw the Meek".

I always thought David Gilmour was very underrated. I wish I still had my copy of his 1976 solo LP with "Cry From the Street" on it. It was not bad. Floyd would have been so much better with 40% less Waters and 40% more Gilmour.

Problem is that Gilmour has perpetually had to labor in the shadow of the Syd Barrett myth and rock snobs have never forgiven him.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 08:07 am:   

I totally agree. Waters way overrated.
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Minz
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 09:52 am:   

"rock-smoking party girl"

Agreed on the Gilmour/Waters front.
For the intellectually curious, I've had great fun (and success) with adapting bits of The Wall as lullabyes for my new baby girl. Very successful in calming the savage babe.
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MarcL
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 10:04 am:   

Careful, Minz. You're going to have an angry grown-up children's choir coming after you for royalties!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 10:07 am:   

Makng Rachel comfortably numb, huh?
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 10:14 am:   

Some band did a country-bluegrass version of The Wall that got a lot of press, although it's one of more startlingly unlistenable records of recent years.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 11:37 am:   

It must all sound like Flowers on the Wall...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 12:06 pm:   

It actually sounds like Cowflop on the Wall...
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Bill Reynolds/Socrates17
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 11:48 pm:   

Actually, even at the time, I wasn't too crazy about the Beatles. (Stones either.) Back then I was listening mostly to jazz. The Beatles (and Rock) were just kinda irrelevant. In '69 I got introduced to British rock via The Move, The Small Faces, and The Yardbirds.

Jeff Beck's guitar solo in "Shapes of Things" was The Singularity. Everything good since (and an awful lot of bad) came out of that. I wouldn't go so far as to say I hated the Beatles. Just don't feel any need to listen to them.

And I recognize the existence of only 1 Pink Floyd record: Piper at the Gates of Dawn. BOY, is Waters overrated. OK, I was behaving like a Rock Snob, but I at least I developed a revisionist attitude about Gilmore when he got involved with The Pretty Things so I acknowledge I was wrong about him.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 06:57 am:   

You listen to jazz now, Bill? That's most of what I listen to. Since the 90s I've become increasingly disinterested in, disenchanted with rock.

Anyway, Waters overrated.

Fuck U2
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 07:48 am:   

I love both Jazz and Rock.

Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a good album, a good start, and certainly one of their better albums, but probably not their best.

I like the band as a whole and I wouldn't want to say I only like Pink Floyd for one member.

My favorite albums are: Wish You Were Here, The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, and Piper at the Gates of Dawn, followed by Animals and A Saucerful of Secerets. I know Dark Side and The Wall are the most popular but they are still among my favorites. I like their post Waters stuff too, like Momentary Lapse of Reason (which is up there for me). Mason and Gilmour, are, I guess, the heart of the band as a whole, and probably the two most underated members.

I haven't heard Gilmours solo stuff, that I know of.
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 07:50 am:   

And I agree that U2 started sucking a while ago. But they had a couple of good albums....
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 08:12 am:   

I forgot Wright, who's been with them the whole time too.
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Dave G.
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 03:31 pm:   

Apparently, there is some lore around the Gilmour solo record with Rick Wills on bass. I don't recall too much about it, but it was really good. Like very stripped down PF; Floyd without the theatrical sillyness or the pretensions. Just melodic power trio rock. (Anyone know if it's been reissued on CD?)

I'm a big fan of mid-period wacky psych PF (Atom Heart Mother, Ummagumma, etc.). Which reminds me that I need to watch my DVD of Live At Pompeii one of these days (no pun intended).

DSM has been way, way overexposed, but it's still kind of freaky and amazing how well Wish You Were Here holds up. Listen to it, close your eyes and imagine a world where a record like that could sell platinum and dominate the charts without pandering to some shambolic, jam band sensibility. <sigh>
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 03:41 pm:   

I llke the Pink Floyd delicate sounds of thunder the best....
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 04:21 pm:   

Isn't delicate sounds just a sort of best of, double disc?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 04:59 pm:   

Live disc.
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 05:19 pm:   

Oh nice, I love live albums.

Have you taken a look at the Nirvana box set? A friend of mine has it. It's pretty great. I like their early live stuff of them playing in their basement the best. It has footage of their first performance of Smells Like Teen Spirit, which is rawer and different then the recorded version that was such a hit. After seeing some of their early performances on the DVD I like and appreciate them even more.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 05:31 pm:   

Oh, yeah, I first came to Seattle in 86. Used to see Nirvana play at the Central and elsewhere all the time. They were great. That was the band I related to. Very raw and energetic.

Thunder is a great live album. Gilmour's solo on Comfortably Numb is perfect.
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StephenB
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 06:11 pm:   

Yeah, I think they've replaced AiC as my favorite grunge band. I remember in the late 90's in high school, it wasn't cool admitting to other people who played music that you really liked Nirvana because they became so poppy and they were simple to play. Most of those people just didn't get what they were to begin with, I guess.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 06:23 pm:   

Yup. They were the real deal. So were Mother love bone, green river, etc, but they never were recorded properly....
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MarcL
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 09:20 pm:   

I started to like Nirvana very grudgingly because I only heard their stuff when it started to get popular, so I figured it couldn't be any good. Then I realized a bunch of songs I'd been hearing in the background, and liking, were all on the same album. (Similar to my first exposure to Camper Van Beethoven, my other favorite band--except without the being popular part. I was hearing a bunch of songs I really liked that didn't seem to have anything to do with one another; they turned out to be all on the same CVB album. David Lowry is a vastly underappreciated lyricist with exactly the right voice.)

The Nirvana box set was my most requested Xmas present this year. I still haven't listened/watched all of it. I'm meting it out to myself in spoonfuls.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 09:25 pm:   

Negative Creep lives eternally in my brain
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MarcL
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 09:34 pm:   

I'll always remember on John Shirley's fridge, when Nirvana was at its height, a newspaper photo of Nirvana playing a Seattle club. John had scribbled a little thought balloon over the photo--the same thought coming from the heads of every single person in the crowd: "Wow, this is easy! I'm gonna start a grunge band!"
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 09:39 pm:   

:-)
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Bill Reynolds/Socrates17
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 11:44 pm:   

I could have sworn it was "Gilmore." Oh well, wrong again!!!

Dark Side of the Moon led directly to the formation of The North Jersey Percussion Ensemble. I used to manage the Musical Instrument dep't at the Garden State Plaza Sam Goody back when they were real stores. We had Gibsons, Guilds, Ovations, Marshalls, etc. The Audio dep't loved Bose and Infinity (Infiniti? - I get them mixed up with the car) speakers and they would always demo them using Dark Side....
We responded by attaching contact pickups to the (manual) cash register and the old (manual) calculator, plugging them into the Marshall stacks, and playing percussion with them until they were howling with feedback.
In retrospect, this was probably not a commercially viable plan, but the store manager was afraid of us so nothing was said.

I still listen to a lot of jazz, especially old Blue Note stuff (Jackie McLean, Grachan MoncurIII, Lee Morgan et al) and some of the Mosaic box sets like Sam Rivers and Andrew Cyrille. My favorite current musician/composer is Henry Threadgill and I try to keep up with the better current stuff as well. Much of this is European, or at least European releases.

Other than this and the older rock that I did eventually find that was worthwhile (Spirit, John Cale, Soft Machine, The Creation) I probably listen the most to post-R.I.O. (Rock in Opposition) European bands that are fusions of jazz, rock, early 20th century lieder, folk from their own locales, and dissonant 20th century classical. Frank Zappa had a heavy influence on me by getting me to listen to Varese. The Grateful Dead (yes, The Grateful Dead) influenced me by using Prepared Piano on Anthem of the Sun thus leading me to John Cage. I neglected to mention above (it is hard to believe I would neglect to mention anything in my overly long posts) that The North Jersey Percussion Ensemble also made excellent use of Prepared Guitar. This was in 1975 and I knew who Fred Frith was, of course, having seen Henry Cow live in Brussels the year before, but I didn't know that at the same time he was also developing Prepared Guitar. Ah well. Ahead of my time as always.

I'm as disconnected from, and as obilivious to, current Rock/Pop now as I was in '66 when I was sitting not 3 feet from Charlie Mingus', uh, feet at the 5 Spot.

Sorry for babbling, yet again. You, Lucius, are the one who has reasons for mythologizing your history, not me. But then you bring it into your writing. I just babble.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 01:20 am:   

I'm more contemporary in my tastes in jazz than you, but I like Sam Rivers quite a bit. Henry Threadgill, too. Though I haven't kept up with him as much. Right now I'm listening to Matthew Shipp a lot--I first found him through his newsletter Jazz and Boxing, which covered two of my obsessions, so I thought I'd give his piano playing a try,

Speaking of Spirit, I just picked up their soundtrack for Jacque Demy's Model Shop at Forced Exposure.

"Sorry for babbling, yet again. You, Lucius, are the one who has reasons for mythologizing your history, not me. But then you bring it into your writing. I just babble."

I'm not too sure, Bill, but it's probably a good thing i'm getting out of here for a few months ....

You have a good one, y'hear?
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 07:06 am:   

Not quite as good as the Mary-N'-Cheese sandwich auctioned on eBay, but...

Some see Virgin Mary in underpass stain
Wednesday, April 20, 2005 Posted: 8:27 AM EDT (1227 GMT)


A painting of the Virgin Mary was set near a stain in a Chicago, Illinois, underpass on Tuesday.
Image:



CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- A steady stream of the faithful and the curious, many carrying flowers and candles, have flocked to an expressway underpass for a view of a yellow and white stain on a concrete wall that some believe is an image of the Virgin Mary.

Police have patrolled the emergency turnoff area under the Kennedy Expressway since Monday as hundreds of people have walked down to see the image and the growing memorial of flowers and candles that surround it. Beside the image is an artist's rendering of the Virgin Mary embracing Pope John Paul II in a pose some see echoed in the stain.

"We believe it's a miracle," said Elbia Tello, 42. "We have faith, and we can see her face."

Tuesday morning, women knelt with rosary beads behind a police barricade while men in work shirts stood solemnly before the image, praying. A police officer kept the crowd of about three dozen from getting too close to the traffic but didn't stop them gathering around the stain.

The stain is likely the result of salt run-off, according to the Illinois Department of Transportation. The agency does not plan to scrub it off the wall.

"We're treating this just like we treat any type of roadside memorial," said IDOT spokesman Mike Claffey. "We have no plans to clean this site."

The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago had not received any requests to authenticate the image as of Monday, spokesman Jim Dwyer said.

"These things don't happen every day," Dwyer said. "Sometimes people ask us to look into it. Most of the time they don't. (The meaning) depends on the individual who sees it. To them, it's real. To them, it reaffirms their faith."

But onlooker Victor Robles, 36, said he was skeptical about the stain's Virgin Mary resemblance.

"I see just a concrete wall and an image that could happen anywhere," Robles said. "If that image helps more people feel closer to God than maybe that is a good sign."

Worldwide, people have been drawn to images believed to resemble the Virgin Mary seen on windows, fence posts and walls.

Among the best-known in the United States was an image seen in office windows in Clearwater, Florida. Within weeks, a half million people had been to the site. Glass experts believe the image was created by a chemical reaction and corrosion of the metallic elements in the glass coating, but they could not explain why it took the shape it did. The windows were broken last year.

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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 08:39 am:   

You've heard the "Bono for World Bank" editorials, now get this. In DC, there is an "Oprah for Nobel Peace Prize" movement.

Really.

Really.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 09:07 am:   

The 2005 Center For Association Leadership Distinguished Speaker Series (tix $250-$350 a pop):

Dr. Phil
Bono
Larry King
Bobby Flay and Rachel Ray (Food Network)

OK, cue the Four Horsemen...
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AliceB
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 06:28 pm:   

Have you seen the upcoming issue of The New York Times Magazine?

The Statesman

Best,
Alice
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 07:14 pm:   

It sounds, frankly, tongue in cheek. Like something out of a Marx Bros. movie. I can see a host of Africans chiming in on the chorus of "Moving the Debate." Maybe that's all one can do, move the debate, but it seems like some kind of weird celebrity boogaloo. I'd like to read the whole article.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 06:24 am:   

Hey, what other world leader helped the plight of the underprivileged American sex worker by getting lap dances with Christy Turlington at Scores? Statesman indeed!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 06:38 am:   

Probably quite a few world leaders have done that.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 08:30 am:   

Y'know, I think Ken Loach said it best when he said, "those people who look like rebels rarely are." I mean, maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy, but if you're going to be a statesman and talk policy with heads of state, clean yourself up, man! Put on a tie, wash that goose grease out of your hair and talk those damn sunglasses off! He may well be a brilliant mind, but he looks like a damn prat!
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:07 am:   

Dan Aykroyd on the Rita Cosby show, talking about the UFO experience he and Donna Dixon had.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:31 am:   

Yeah, that'll do it.
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Rich P.
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 04:12 am:   

China: The World's Peace Brokers!

SEOUL (Reuters) - The United States, facing opposition to proposed U.N. sanctions against North Korea for this week's missile tests, said on Saturday it backed China's proposal for informal talks to re-engage the reclusive state.

China -- the closest North Korea has for an ally -- and Russia oppose a draft U.N. Security Council resolution by Japan to bar missile-related financial and technology transactions with North Korea because of the missile launches.
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Luciuss
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 06:22 am:   

Yeah, don't it make you feel good?

Wonder if Bono's up for a trip to Pyongyang?
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luciuss
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 06:31 am:   

On another tack, Steven Hawking asked a Yahoo Question the other day and there ten zillion people responded. His question was how is humanity going to survive the next 100 years. About half the ten zillion said we wouldn't, and the other half said Jesus would help out.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 01:23 pm:   

A tiny sign that perhaps we aren't ready for the great kosmic septic tank after all...

MacArthur genius grants to George Saunders and John Zorn!

Brightened my day...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 01:32 pm:   

Makes up for the Lethem a little
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 03:45 am:   

Could someone please point out to that talking head who runs U.S. politics that this is how it's done...

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand's military coup leaders will choose a new prime minister within two weeks and step back from power, army chief General Sonthi Boonyaratglin said on Wednesday.

But, speaking less than 24 hours after he led a bloodless coup to oust billionaire Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Sonthi said it would take a year to produce a new constitution leading to a fresh general election.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 05:00 am:   

I'll get right on that, Rich.... :-)

Bloodless coup...I'm always a bit suspect of that term, but yeah, it sounds like a beautiful dream.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 04:33 pm:   

Any luck with Still LIfe? I been searching, but no luck!!
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:13 pm:   

Still looking... As you know, about half of Jia's films are "forbidden" here, which simply means we have to count more on street vendors and less on DVD shops. May tried a few vendors last night. No luck yet, but she's on the case.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:18 pm:   

Cool. Go, May!

I don't mean to hassle you, I'm just dying to see it!
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:21 pm:   

No hassle. Yeah, we all are... :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 11:00 am:   

World's King Douchebag, Part I

http://www.calacanis.com/2006/10/11/wow/

This is an actual video resume sent by a Yale senior to UBS Warburg and a host of Wall Street investment banks.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 03:36 pm:   

More on him from the Museum of Hoaxes
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/aleksey_vayner/

At this point, I'm not sure if he's a satirst or a con man.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 08:12 am:   

Can I cast a vote for "idiot"?
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 02:41 pm:   

Aleksey Vayner is a lucky man, pushed from the ranks of stellar assininity by Wesley Snipes, today indicted for failing to file federal income tax returns for six years and seeking $12 million in improper refunds on the grounds that the US can only tax income from foreign sources, not income earned within the United States.

Damn. Impressive.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 12:39 pm:   

Every once in a while, something happens that just enrages me to the point where I can barely carry on with what I need to do.

Every intelligent American knows Rush Limbaugh is, indeed, a big fat idiot. That's beyond dispute. But his continued trashing of Michael J. Fox for "faking" or "exaggerating" his Parkinson's in an ad for a Missouri Democratic Senate candidate goes too far.

Even his legion of dittoheads, who buy his bizarro-world politics without question, called bullshit on this one. I think Fatso may have gone too far on this one and further alienated the Republican base. Michael J. Fox is a beloved and sympathetic figure, and most people with the basic humanity of a hangman understand where he's coming from. Limbaugh and Hannity trying to play little spinny games with him is not going down with red or blue.

What a complete, unrepentant assrag.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 01:12 pm:   

Limbaugh's a joke, but piss me off? Nah. The Sudan pisses me off. Eritea pisses me off. Chinandega pisses me off.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 02:13 pm:   

Limbaugh himself is a worthless tub of goo. But making light of Fox's illness encourages (as if it needed encouragement) the great silent, uncaring mass of Americans to further ignore and demean the handicapped. It's piling on of the most chickenshit variety.

Yeah, that other stuff sucks, too.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 02:42 pm:   

But you said it wasn't taking, didn't you?
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 03:00 pm:   

I don't think that folk are going to be any more motivated to mock the ill than they already are predisposed to do.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 08:05 am:   

DIRTY BLONDE: THE COURTNEY LOVE DIARIES

She was on GMA this AM talking about her sobriety, but, man, did she sound wasted...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 08:41 am:   

I watched a film on HBO Sat AM called HACKING DEMOCRACY. It totally blew my mind. It showed Florida election officials conducting a live test of a Diebold voting machine that actually CHANGED votes before their eyes. Beyond sci fi to think that this could happen in America.

I thought the election hysterics in 2000 and 04 were a bit overblown, but after seeing this...we may just have had an anti-president for the past eight years.
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PM
Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 09:45 am:   

Nothing new about election fraud...whether paying folk to vote or not to vote...losing/destroying ballots, etc.

There is no system that cannot be subverted...and liars all around the political spectrum.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 05:11 am:   

I got to vote on one of those electronic machines today. Part of me worries it will change the votes, but in my district I don't think a change will matter (except in one race).

State House of Representatives: Democrat running unopposed
US House of Representatives: Democrat vs. Green
US Sentate: Casey vs. Santorum
Governor: Rendell vs. Swann

The Governor race could be the victim of hacking, it will be a close race and a bit of fraud may go unnoticed. The Senate race will be highly scrutinized if Casey doesn't win by a wide margin. Basically if Santorum wins, everyone will think the election was rigged, so fraud doesn't seem worth the effort.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 06:54 am:   

It's intriguing to me that the winner is already known before the votes are even tallied.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 08:01 am:   

It's a really a masterstroke when one considers it.

We have a divided electorate. It's going to take both sides working together to effectuate widescale voting reform.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that there are issues with the Diebold voting machines. Those issues have been conflated with stealing elections.

Specifically one party stealing elections. Accusing one party of actively stealing elections is going to put them in an adversarial position. This ensures that there will not be enough support to actually make changes to Diebold voting machines, voting reforms, etc.

This will allow one side to continue to say whenever the election results do not meet expectations that the election was stolen. And those accused of stealing elections can't win either way. If they join the cause it becomes an admission that they were stealing elections and if they don't join in then they're still accused of stealing elections.

And of course it gets sold as having "honest elections". If it were truly about having an honest election then the "stealing" aspect of it would have been separated from the discussion of Diebold voting machines.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 09:37 am:   

The incessant polling before elections makes it feel like the winner is pre-determined. In the case of Santorum, he's been unpopular here for a while, so it's been pretty clear for over a year that he would be on the way out.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 01:29 pm:   

I would just say to PM that I think there's a world of difference between county-by-county payoffs and voter intimidation -- which leaves a trail -- and viruses in voting machine memory chips. I think the threat of electronic fraud, launched nationwide at the flip of a switch, is more insidious.

Robert...if Pennsylvania elects Lynn Swann and Rick Santorum, a Continental Congress will be convened to expel it from the Union.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 02:39 pm:   

"if Pennsylvania elects Lynn Swann and Rick Santorum"

So much for democracy, eh? That's the thing that always intrigues me. Folk are pro-democracy as long as they get their desired result.

"I think there's a world of difference between county-by-county payoffs and voter intimidation -- which leaves a trail -- and viruses in voting machine memory chips."

A virus leaves a trail as well. Altering a memory card or altering/forging a paper record are both possible. All it takes are people willing to engage in fraud.

"I think the threat of electronic fraud, launched nationwide at the flip of a switch, is more insidious."

It's also unlikely. It's more likely to happen with voting machines at a particular location.

My position is that if one is fearful about election fraud then it's a bit late to the party. Paper or electronic votes can both be subverted. They always will have the potential to be subverted. It's fine to discuss how to make improvements. But the biggest issue is people. If the people handling the election are corrupt it just doesn't matter whether it's paper or electronic.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:19 am:   

It looks like I was wrong about the governor race being competitive. Rendell beat Swann by 20%, and Casey beat Santorum by 18%. It's interesting because it's a higher percentage than the pre-election opinion polls led me to think. The last ones I heard had Casey leading by 11%.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:33 am:   

Oops, I just saw the official election results (not the projections), and Casey beat Santorum by 29%. I think that gives a good idea how unpopular Santorum was in his "home." It's not really his home since he lives in Virginia and his house in Penn Hills was occupied by another family, and after that was disclosed to the press, they vacated and Sanoturm's mail was returned as undeliverable.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 06:58 am:   

Darn, another oops on me. The original number of 18% was right. The 29% was just for Santorum's "home" county.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 06:58 am:   

PM, was only joking about the Continental Congress...

Swann lost, but the ex-jock requirement was satisfied by Heath Shuler winning a House seat in NC.
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MarcL
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 05:26 pm:   

So, Lucius, in one week we see the simultaneous resurrection of Daniel Ortega and Robert Gates.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 03:00 pm:   

yeah, maybe they can get together for a beer...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 12:01 pm:   

For sweeps week, Fox will present "How I Did It, If I Did It," an infomercial for a book of the same name featuring O.J. Simpson giving a "hypothetical" version of events surrounding the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman. The interview will be conducted by his publisher, Judith Regan, whose imprint is a subsidiary of News Corp, Fox's parent.

The really funny thing is I'll bet most of you think I'm trying to be funny here...
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 06:51 pm:   

We'll continue to get this sort of stuff as long as it sells.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 01:49 pm:   

National politics at its most ghoulish. Dem. Sen Tim Johnson from S. Dakota was just rushed to GW Hospital with a stroke. If he dies or is incapacitated his fellow senator gets to appoint a Rep. to take his place, thus throwing control of the Senate and its committees back to the GOP (could John Bolton have resigned too soon?).

Trust me...lots and lots of two-faced people in DC are silently praying that Johnson takes a turn for the worse.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 01:54 pm:   

Oh, Jesus.

Fuck.
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Ellen Datlow
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 10:14 pm:   

It's not a stroke or a heart attack. They don't know what it is but he's having brain surgery tomorrow morning. Aighhhh!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 04:17 am:   

It's probably a small Republlican infiltrator -- read bullet.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 06:43 am:   

My error: it is the GOP governor of SD who picks his replacement.

Last word this AM is that he is in critical condition.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 07:40 am:   

same difference, I guess. Still sucks.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 09:48 am:   

A good premise for a story...a Senator's death changes control of a 50/50 Senate and prompts a full-on shooting war, with each party trying to sway control by picking off the other party's senators.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 09:54 am:   

It's a little over the top. but the situation is a good set-up for a political thriller.
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Bill
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:09 am:   

just my two cents, but I read somewhere recently (i think it was slate) that U2 recently transferred its "corporation" from Ireland to the Netherlands so it would not have to pay as much taxes

http://www.slate.com/id/2152580/

I like pre-joshua tree U2, but Bono is a jackass.
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Bill
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:12 am:   

the above post was the result of me just reading the first couple of posts and not being aware of the date of the posts.

But Bono is still a jackass
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:24 am:   

I'd go further than that. Poseur. Sting-like in his advocacy.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 11:27 am:   

I had heard it was Finland, not the Netherlands. Elevation Partners is now busy trying to acquire media properties like magazines.

I wonder what the Irish think of their boys, stumping to reduce Third World debt, but unable to pay their fair share to their home country.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 11:56 am:   

Gobshites!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:06 pm:   

They're remaking Pet Sematary...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:58 am:   

...as a musical?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

Unfortunately, no.
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PM
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 09:57 am:   

Why can't they call it Pet Cemetery so my spell-checker won't complain? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 10:03 am:   

St Steven hath decreed it.
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PM
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 11:56 am:   

He's the king of Kings :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:00 pm:   

That's a TV show, right. ;)
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PM
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   

Ssshhh! Wouldn't want Stephen to find out!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:03 pm:   

:0)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 02:15 pm:   

Set to replace Paula Abdul as judge on American Idol...Courtney Love.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 02:29 pm:   

You're kidding?
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 07:28 am:   

It was reported on defamer.com (sometimes accurate) that the show had reached out to her. I noticed also that the Birmingham audition show last night was Paula-less.

Punk takes another faceplant, huh?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 08:07 am:   

She (Paula) is on next weeks show.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 10:26 am:   

Johnny Lydon on "I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!"

Courtney Love being courted for American Idol.

Mike Watt teaming with Kelly Clarkson

The Buzzcocks hyping AARP

As if rigor mortis had not advanced far enough on punk's corpse, here's some more good news...

Buckingham Palace offered a knighthood to Paul Weller. To his credit, he declined to join Sir Mick and Sir Elton and Sir Old and In the Way.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 10:34 am:   

Good on him!
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 10:49 am:   

Recent Knights include Hugh Laurie, David Beckham, James Dyson the vacuum cleaner guy and, of course, Sir Bozo of U2.

There are three dustmen in Bristol, George Michael and Koo Stark who have not yet been knighted in Ol' Blighty.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:04 am:   

Hugh Laurie...Christ!

Amazing they haven't sought to knight Michael Caine...or have they?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:14 am:   

Caine was knighted in 2000.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:33 am:   

I think they've hit everybody except the guy who played Captain Peacock on Are You Being Served? And he's up next year.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:39 am:   

Didn't know about Caine. Huh.

Sir Bryan Ferry?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:41 am:   

The guys from "Right Said Fred" are British, isn't "I'm Too Sexy," enough to give them a knighthood? Would they be any more ridiculous than the current knights?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:47 am:   

I think they're perfectly suitable. They'll probab;y get the accolade along with Frankie of Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Pity that Freddie Mercury didn't live long enough...He'd have been a cinch.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:54 am:   

British knights and dames:

Shirley Bassey
Pierce Brosnan
Joe Calzaghe
Eric Clapton
Petula Clark
Joan Collins
Billy Connolly
Roger Daltrey
Ray Davies
Nick Faldo
Neil and Tim Finn (Split Enz)
Barry, Maurice and Robin Gibb
David Gilmour
Rolf Harris
Ricky Hatton
J. Edgar Hoover
Bob Hope
Tom Jones
Brian May
Colin Montgomerie
Roger Moore
Olivia Newton-John
Dusty Springfield
Sting
Midge Ure
Vivienne Westwood
Ian Woosnam

Ceaucescu, Mussolini and Prince Naseem had theirs rescinded.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:04 pm:   

Folks who have declined:

Aldous Huxley
C.S. Lewis
David Bowie
Dawn French
Jennifer Saunders
Doris Lessing
Evelyn Waugh
Francis Bacon
Graham Greene
Harold Pinter
J.G. Ballard
John Cleese
Joseph Conrad
Lucian Freud
Paul Scofield
Paul Weller
Philip Larkin
Rudyard Kipling
T.E. Lawrence
Keith Richards
Thomas Hardy
Vanessa Redgrave
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   

No Stevie Nix....Awww!

The decline list is way more impressivem,but I imagine that's why you posted it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:52 pm:   

Anyone is welcome to peruse the unexpurgated lists on Wikipedia. I too was struck by how much more impressive the decliners were. It made me understand why Keef deemed it "a paltry honor."
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 01:11 pm:   

Isn't Roger Paltrey a knight? :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 01:35 pm:   

What I don't understand is that Daltrey is the least of the Who's members. No Sir Pete? Maybe they know more about his web surfing than they are letting on...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 01:43 pm:   

Well, he's been in movies, too. That might count.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 02:00 pm:   

What was the best thing he was in? MacVicar? The Radio City production of A Christmas Carol? Showtime's "Rude Awakening" with Sherilyn Fenn?
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 02:04 pm:   

Future knights?:

Sir Nick Cave
Sir Jonathan Lydon
Sir Mark E. Smith
Dame Siouxee Sioux
Sir Joseph Mellor (Strummer)
Sir Malcolm McLaren
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 02:36 pm:   

They missed out with Benny Hill.

I don't know what the best thing Daltrey's in was? Maybe it's a tie for last. ;)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 02:59 pm:   

wow. rolf harris. neil finn. i'd decline too :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 03:04 pm:   

Get that declining speech ready! :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 03:30 pm:   

oh, yeah, man, i got two or three versions worked up now. it's my hobby ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 03:45 pm:   

Do any start, Fuck the goddamn queen? ;)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 04:47 pm:   

Ballard rules. As the Brits say, full stop.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 05:00 pm:   

well, I'd say Conrad rules considerably more. ;) As the Poles say...um, I don't know waht they say.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 05:30 pm:   

Full stopski.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   

:-)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 01:39 am:   

most of them go,

'Dear Queen,

Fuck you.

From,

the Penal Colony.

PS: Fuck the Prime Minister, too.'

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 02:40 am:   

Ah, that old Aussie eloquence...I love it so!
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:18 am:   

The Eagles are releasing a new album. :-(
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

That should be in the Hate thread.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:55 am:   

Will The Eagles steal from Jethro Tull this time too?

Apparently the Courtney Love on Idol thing was a hoax. The show is stuck with Paula.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:56 am:   

The Courtney was patently a hoax -- it would have been cool to see her reactions, puking after some acts, etc...
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:58 am:   

Lucius, I beg to differ. The return of the Eagles is definitely the edge of the Apocalypse.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 08:06 am:   

THey were just sort of not there for me. Come the new album, they'll still be not there...
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 08:45 am:   

OMG, the Eagles were the antichrists, slack-jawed prettyboy cocaine cowboys from Laurel Canyon who swept across America, blowing decent music off the radio and turning my youth into a nightmare of faux-desperadoes and witchy women. My brother had the Doors. I had the Eagles.

I got reamed.

And now, they're back.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 09:12 am:   

Like I said, didn't notice them much, buy hey, nicely hated.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 09:34 am:   

'I don't know what the best thing Daltrey's in was? Maybe it's a tie for last. ;)'

I'm gonna go for the Highlander episode where he was decapitated.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 09:41 am:   

I forgot about that one. Good call, Bruce.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 10:20 am:   

Yeah, but the producers apparently realized that Roger was a ratings boost and subsequently trotted him out for flashback episodes and the 'It's a Wonderful Life' finale. You can't win 'em all. :0)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 11:00 am:   

An appearance by Ted Danson would have boosted that show's ratings.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 02:18 pm:   

Planet of the Apes will be airing on the History Channel tonight. How is PotA history? One more formerly interesting cable network has now become crap just like the rest.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 03:58 pm:   

Now THAT belongs on the hate thread!!!
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:15 pm:   

If it makes you feel better Apes got 3 stars and the remake of King Kong got 4! (in the newspaper)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:28 pm:   

That's just so irrelevant...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:58 pm:   

It is the original Apes, but still...will that be on somebody's history quiz next week? Will school children start learning about the period in our future when apes will rule over us?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 05:19 pm:   

I betcha some already have learned that history...

Actually, Robert, that may be local. It's not on out here.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 05:29 pm:   

Those who do not learn from the past could very well ape it in the future.

Can't say that I've ever been a big supporter of the History channel. The promos for their shows that I've seen have been too sensationalist for my tastes.

The market for serious history shows is tiny. And would likely prosper in a non-commercial environment...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 05:53 pm:   

The history.com Web site lists it as being on at 8 PM Pacific time.

The History Channel hasn't been bad in general. However, they do get silly movie tie ins - a program about Gigantopithacus for King Kong, a program about Henry Morgan for Pirates of the Caribbean.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 07:04 pm:   

Oops. my bad. Thought you said Discovery Channel.

Even the local news does those movie tie-ins. Arnageddon--Could it happen in Portland? Fucking doofuses!
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:12 am:   

Global warming. The outrageously stupid, self-centered reaction of many policymakers in the US has got me thinking.

Maybe it's time.

Maybe it's time for the human race to snuff it. I mean, let's be honest. We have kind of made a hash of things. As a species goes, we have really done a number on the planet. Maybe it's time that the ecosystem decided enough is enough. Just wash us out of its hair and start over with something a bit more planet-compatible.

I find this concept very comforting somehow.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:23 am:   

Well. you won't be around when it gets sticky, will you, so it may comfort you, but not African kids born in 2007 whom, in middle age, will face famine and disease and etc....
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PM
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:41 am:   

Where do I sign up to support a giant freeze ray? Someone may suggest that a giant freeze ray or some other sort of cooling contraption is ludicrous but I'd suggest that it's about as likely as expecting that the world as a whole is going to migrate away from fossil fuels anytime soon.

It would be quicker to start devising ways to cool down the poles.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:52 am:   

Form is right here.

http://www.giantfreezeray.com
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:12 am:   

How about giant umbrellas erected over the North and South Poles?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:18 am:   

How about them? Why not just hire a giant, the son of the north wind, to cool earth with his frosty breath?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:44 am:   

Who's his agent?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:51 am:   

Frosty the Snowman.
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PM
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:56 am:   

You're either FOR Frosty or AGAINST Frosty.

Rather radical feminists are still trying to decide and certain metrosexuals are uncertain...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 11:00 am:   

Frosty's a label whore, himself...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 08:54 am:   

Aaron Sorkin, creator of ultra-pompous, talky and self-important critical darling "The West Wing" signs on to write the script for a Broadway musical based on the Flaming Lips' "Yoshimi Vs. The Pink Robots."

This could represent a new height of mismatched-auteur, what-were-they-thinking, stop-the-world-i-wanna-get-off awfulness.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 09:08 am:   

The idea of a Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots musicial is one of the worst ideas I've heard for a musical. And Aaron Sorkin writing it? Two bad ideas that will be even worse combined.

Are the Lips that mainstream now?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 09:10 am:   

What we need is more musicals like this -- might as well go all the way down.
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PM
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 09:13 am:   

The Lips are more mainstream than ever.

Have to say this has a rather curious appeal about it. Perhaps Datlow can check it out for us :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 09:17 am:   

She'll have to be the one.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 09:21 am:   

Do any of you like musicals at all? Have to admit they're lost on me. I don't even like parodies of musicals. One I totally forgot for the "hate" thread.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 10:19 am:   

The way the Lips' stage show incorporates giant bunnies and the like, "Yoshimi" has the chance to really go off the rails, like a cracked "Cats." It could be for fanboy nerds what "Wicked" is to pudgy misfit teenage girls.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 10:25 am:   

I hate em, without exception.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 10:33 am:   

Anyone remember Chris Elliot trying out for "Zoo Animals on Wheels" on the "Get a Life" show? I think the Sorkin script could end up looking like that. But gabbier.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 07:43 am:   

Kristin Gore's novel SAMMY'S HILL to be developed for the screen by David O. Russell.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 07:52 am:   

Kristin daughter of Al?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:03 am:   

But of course. That name has a way of opening doors, does it not?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:09 am:   

Yeah. Depressing...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 01:09 pm:   

But then again..Jerry Falwell kicked the bucket.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 01:20 pm:   

Now if only he can call Orel Roberts to heaven. And Robertson, Swaggart, the Secret cult and the rest of the snake-oil newage fundaligionists that prey on the vulnerable and the gullible.

Probably should've gone under the hate thread...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 01:55 pm:   

Go to hell, Jerry!!!!
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 03:34 pm:   

Do you really want to spend Eternity with Jerry? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 03:44 pm:   

Jerry's not going to Valhalla....
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 04:17 pm:   

not in one piece anyway.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 07:32 am:   

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/12/72134
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 02:28 pm:   

So much for freedom of assembly...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 06:31 am:   

Sorry, but for some reason the NFL thread wouldn't load on my machine. At any rate, this thread seems just as appropriate.

Admittedly, I've never been a Michael Vick fan, but can any of you think of an elite athlete with major sponsorships and the breathless loyalty of every American sports commentator who threw it all away in such a cruel, senseless, dumb-as-a-bag-of-dirt, hillbilly way? Not only did this guy engage in dogfighting, according to the federal indictment, but he ran the operation and watched animals put to death in ways that made Humane Society officers sick.

This jackass is going to go down in sports history as one of the biggest wastes of talent ever. Even if he manages to avoid jail, I can't imagine even the most low-rent sponsor touching him with a barge pole.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

Latest sports scandal: the feds are about to file charges against an NBA ref who allegedly fixed games for the Mob. Not good for roundball.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 10:48 pm:   

When politicos become paparazzi-hounded rich people:
http://www.ttc.org/200708060219.l762jkt26324.htm
If this goes on, the Palais de l'Elysée will go down in History as the Paris Hilton.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 09:34 am:   

I've been listening to msnbc this AM and they are talking about nothing but which US presidential candidate has the hottest spouse. Question: is there any longer a meaningful distinction between the beauty contest of entertainment and the beauty contest of politics?
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:26 am:   

What a shit week. First Tony Wilson, now Phil Rizzuto. RIP.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 06:41 am:   

couldn't load that page, JD.

I don't see why people are so uspet about Vick. Yeah, it's heinous, but people get more uset about dogs than Iraqis or they're own fucking troops, for christs sakes, and that's bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, beating a wife is worse than fighting a dog, and that's permissable behavior in the nfl.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 07:00 am:   

Dogs and kids are the third rails in this society. Touch 'em and you die. But yeah, you're right.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 08:27 am:   

Not to mention kitty cats...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

Hundreds of people can die in a film, but filmmakers loose the audience if they kill the dog. Maybe people think we get what we deserve, so victims deserved it for being in the wrong place or being stupid...but pets are innocent and need protection.

It also seems strange that we have such an aversion to harming dogs and cats, but other animals are fair game. People seem to get more pissed off about dog fighting than the extinction of a dolphin species.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 04:25 pm:   

but... but i like dogs. as a whole. i cannot say the same about people.
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Huw
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   

All animals should be treated with kindness and respect, even humans (well, most of them).
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Dorman Shindler
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:16 pm:   

Hey Lucius,

I used to feel the same way: people freak out over animal abuse while barely raising a brow over human rights abuses. Lately -- over the last 5 years or so -- I've had a different take. Mostly after reading WHEY THEY KILL. Kids usually progress from hurting/killing animals to hurting/killing people. So maybe some of the instinct over animal abuse -- especially the like assorted with VICK, in which dogs were being electrocuted, or strangled, or literally beaten against a wall until dead -- is a good one. After all, any uselesss fuck (and that's just what VICK and his cohorts are if they get off on watching two animals fight until one dies --and worse, sadistically killing those that don't measure up)...any useless fuck that thinks this sort of thing is fun or entertaining should be taken out of the gene pool.

(By the way: the last email to ya -- griping about the selection for the BEST OF collection --was meant to be taken with a grain of salt. NO ONE will ever be entirely pleased when a collection comes out with a "best of" moniker. And ALL of your stories are terrific).

With admiration and hope that you get just why humans SHOULD be disgusted by fucked-up examples of our species (like Vick),
All best,
DTS
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 03:03 am:   

Hi, Dorman...I get your point, and it is, as I said, heinous, but people's reaction strikes me as overcompensation for their basic indifference to human suffering. Showing one's sensitive side in relation to a pup is much easier than doing anything about an injustice to a human.

Hope the Australian transition is going well....

L
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Blue Tyson
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 03:13 am:   

I think that is partly the point though Lucius.

A lot of people are scum (wife beaters) etc., while dogs generally aren't.

You could spice up preseason training a bit perhaps, Skins QBs vs Rottweilers. :-)

Maybe with all the dog breeding to be companions we have bred ourselves to like the furry little guys a lot, and genetically overreact because of it?
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PM
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 03:44 am:   

I attribute it to cultural acclimation.

One is desensitizes by the ongoing depiction of humans being injured/killed. Whereas pets are not depicted in such a manner.

But this isn't true everywhere. Some folk are perfectly happy eating animals that others would only consider as pets.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 05:58 am:   

Just to state what you all have probably already read, all three of Vick's cohorts have copped pleas. Bob Shapiro or no, I would say it's a virtual certainty that Ookie is gonna get some real jail time. In fact, sports commentators have moved on to debating whether Vick will be able to come back from a prolonged "absence."
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 06:51 am:   

I just don't get the notion that "Dogs generally aren't." If dogs were smarter they be scum, too. That doesn't excuse mistreating them, of course, but it's sort of a specious argument.
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Dorman Shindler
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 09:08 am:   

Hey, Lucius,

In the majority of cases, I wholeheartedly agree (there are _some_ of us humans who feel badly, and champion the cause of, humans and animals alike): most of us are overcompensating for indifference toward the suffering of fellow humans. And even though I've (and my family) have taken in a great many dogs (and cats) throughout my life, when my daughter came along (and, admittedly, after other things in life had hardened me) I was of the (I believe completely correct) mind that animals _aren't_ part of the family (as a few women in my life have argued) and that they shouldn't be treated as such. That all of their actions boiled down to animal instinct (the desire to please the human providing food and shelter).

I wont bore you with the "Peyson Terhune" of what changed my mind back to believing (somewhat) the way I did when i was a kid -- that dogs can show more intelligence, and can develop a connection based on something other than survival -- but I did want to say that your last reply hit the nail on the head. Dogs _aren't_ as smart as us. And since they basically just want to please their owners, it takes a special kind of twisted heart and mind (the kind that can be cruel and viscious at the drop of a dime) to do the stuff Vick and his cohorts did to their animals.

I'm not saying that I agree with Blue Tyson, and that some humans deserve cruelty and violence, etc. Just saying that since dogs (or cats, or...take your pick) can start off with a clean slate (even the breed in question, a lesson I've recently learned first hand) then a human has to be a bit more fucked up then the rest of his race to go out of his or her way to injure, maim, torture and/or kill something like that.
And I say all that with the full knowledge that I am (or perhaps was) one of those folks that reached the "stage three" development in violent acts, as described by Richard Rhodes in that book I mentioned above.

The move to Australia? The wife's already there, but me and the kid are in purgatory while we try to sell our home in what is decidely a screwed up market. We plan to be in OZ by December, come hell or highwater.

And you? How was the trip to Spain?
Like the others on this site, looking forward to reading DAGGER KEY and THE BEST OF collections.
Take care (and don't lose too many greenbacks betting on the pigskin players),
DTS
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Blue Tyson
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 09:47 am:   

I actually didn't say that people deserve cruelty and violence, just that a lot of us are probably predisposed to be overly sensitive to violence against dogs.

You want to have rat/rabbit/toad/goat/sheep/cow/feral cat/cock/budgie/cockroach fights etc., it won't bother me too much. Dogs are different, to me. (well, maybe not chihuahuas :-) )

A hell of a lot of people do enjoy seeing humans get violent for entertainment, even if not so far as going into ripping them into little pieces.

Boxing, wrestling, football, martial arts, or whatever.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:55 am:   

I've met a lot of bad dogs in my day. Now you can say humans made them that way, that is nurture over nature, but you can say that about humans too...and I don't think it takes special twistedness to fight dogs, just growing up in that culture. I'll never be convinced otherwise.

Spain was great. Awesome. As was Switz and Italy.

Take care,

L
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Dorman Shindler
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 08:28 pm:   

Hey Lucius,

Didn't think I'd convert ya. We'll agree to disagree. Glad you had a great time in Spain, Switzerland and Italy. Some of my best memories of time spent in the service are the trips I took to small towns in Germany (like Trier, where Roman bathhouses still stand -- or a nearby town where a Cathedral was carved in the side of a mountain -- fucking majestic), as well as checking out the gaudy shrines to self ego built by King Ludwig in Bavaria, or standing at the border of three countries while in Luxembourg with the Alps in the distance, driving _through_ parts of the Alps in a beat-up volvo (or riding the rails through 'em), the Eagle's Nest in Austria, the Costa Brava in Spain, Southern France and Italy, the ferry ride across the Adriatic to Greece...and just a whole lot more.

I think all Americans should try to travel outside of our country at least once in their lives. Maybe the current, compassionate Commander-in-Chief will provide vouchers for such a trip.

Take it easy,
DTS
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 08:44 pm:   

I used to work in Trier, at the Salem factory. I used to take my weekends in Luxembourg...really had a great time. Went through the Alps this time. Over the San Gottard pass. There was no snow.

Cheers...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 02:19 pm:   

The next Mark Foley: Rep. Sen. Larry Craig from Idaho just outed for pleading guilty to misdomeanor lewd conduct in Minneapolis airport men's room.

Oopsie!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 02:42 pm:   

Another member if the GOP...Always good news.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 06:03 pm:   

Priceless. Apparently, he took a stall next to an undercover cop and started playing footsies with him under the divider. He claims it was just because he had a "wide stance."

You can't make this shit up.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 06:40 pm:   

:-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 06:18 am:   

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/10/11/mexico.slaying.ap/index.html

Research gone horribly wrong.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 06:55 am:   

Part of her was in a cereal box? Girl crispies.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 07:40 am:   

Maybe the guy wanted his novel to be available for "cereal" publication...


Sorry.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 08:50 am:   

You should be! :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 06:26 am:   

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/18/people.deathcab.ap/index.html

Because if members of indie bands can release solo albums with impunity, the terrorists will really have won.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 06:45 am:   

Death cab for cutie....uck!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 06:52 am:   

I'm all for preventing solo albums from Death Cab members :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 09:24 am:   

Not to mention from the band itself.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 09:57 am:   

That's a given.

Can they still be considered an indie band? They've left indie labels behind for a major label. Or is this like "alternative" and "progressive," where the description means nothing other than "sounds like other bands that are called X"
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 10:01 am:   

You guys are missing the real "takeaway" from this story. Today, Death Cab For Cutie, tomorrow, Ulver or Grinderman or Seagal!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 10:14 am:   

We must stop Seagal from recording again too :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 10:35 am:   

Absolutely. That should be a priority.

My category for Death Cab is utter shit. I suppose they'd be classified as alt-something.

I got the Grinderman album today. Pretty great. Though my favorite Cave track remains Staggo-lee.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 10:44 am:   

Will we see an upturn in Johnny Mnemonic like smuggling of data in Keanu Reeve's head? Or would his head be confiscated at the border?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 12:11 pm:   

Maybe. One can but hope.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 01:46 pm:   

Forgive my dumbness, but is Grinderman a Cave side project?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 04:08 pm:   

yup.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 06:47 am:   

Looked on the Web and saw that Jim Sclavunos plays with them. Of all the NY musicians interviewed in SA Crary's KILL YOUR IDOLS, a pretty fair documentary on NY No Wave, Sclavunos is perhaps the funniest and most well-preserved of the scenester vets.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 07:14 am:   

Grinderman or Death Cab?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 07:40 am:   

Grinderman.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 08:41 am:   

OK. I was prepared to assault you if you called anyone from Death Cab "witty." :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:21 am:   

No, Sclavunos is part of Grinderman.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 12:21 pm:   

Got it!
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Huw
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 06:31 pm:   

I haven't bought anything by Nick Cave since getting the Hee Haw EP and Prayers on Fire album way back in '80 or '81, but today while wandering around my local CD/DVD shop, I happened upon the Grinderman CD and, recalling the praise it received here, bought it. I'm listening to it right now, and it's good stuff.

I haven't really followed Cave since his Birthday Party stuff - can anyone recommend a good CD of his Bad Seeds stuff to start with?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 08:18 pm:   

A good place to start might be the Best of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. It's a great package. But I loved the firrst couple of albums, The Good Son and Henry's Dream. The Good Son opens with a Portugese song that I've never gotten out of my head.
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Huw
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 09:35 pm:   

Thanks, Lucius! I'll start with the 'Best of' and see how it goes from there.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 08:09 am:   

I seem to be the only one who didn't like the Best Of. When I first listened to it, I didn't like it, so I avoided Cave for several years. When I heard Abattoir Blues, I liked that and started picking up Cave CDs. The stuff on the Best of didn't represent the songs I liked from the CDs. My favorites are Henry's Dream (for the more rock oriented material), No More Shall We Part (for the more mellow stuff), and Abattoir Blues/Lyre of Orpheus (for a mix of the two).
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 08:33 am:   

Abbatoir Blues/Lyre is terriffic. But I liked all that stuff. I listened to it as it appeared and it was a cool progression. You didn't like Foi Na Cruz, huh? :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 08:55 am:   

Looking over the tracklist again, I think I was largely turned off by Deanna. Plus my general aversion of Best Of CDs. Good Son is one I haven't tried yet.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 08:59 am:   

I loved the Good Sun, but you know....taste tells all. Foi Na Cruz, even though Cave's reading of the song is way lugubrious, is pretty great.
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PM
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 02:21 pm:   

NBC executive proves how out of touch he is:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117974910.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1

Apple has been trying to get the studios to drop their prices for tv shows to .99. Yet NBC wants to raise it to $2.99.

NBC also wanted a cut of iPod sales. Imagine trying that strategy with tv sales...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 02:47 pm:   

Yes, I imagine most of those iPhones were sold primarily to download episodes of "Chuck"...
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PM
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   

Good one, Dave!
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 02:47 pm:   

I look forward to the day when folk get their asses kicked for acting as or being bigots. It's 2007.

Some folk may think it's cool to talk about radical feminists, blacks, and Hispanics but the ongoing foaming is off-putting to women, blacks, and Hispanics. If you're going to criticize someone, criticize the person and not the group.

But folk will fixate and it is a fixation on these groups. And it comes across as bigotry.

My response over at the F&SF board was deleted. It was a response to Truesdale's derogatory comments on the postal rate hike thread. It's a thread about a postal rate hike and Truesdale has to turn into a comment against radical blacks and Hispanics.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 12:37 pm:   

I've had a vision...stay with me here...

OPRAH WINFREY'S CAGED SOUTH AFRICAN PREPPIE SLAVE GIRLS ON ICE

It's topical. It's exciting. It's a hit!
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 01:36 pm:   

and I thought I came up with weird shit :-)

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