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Chris Dodson
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:06 pm:   

Hi Lucius,

You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Asian cinema, so I figured you might be a good person to ask about this.

I keep hearing rumors that a "deformed mouth" version of RINGU exists, with much more disturbing special effects than the original. Do you know anything about this? If it exists, do you know where I could get a copy?

Thanks!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:49 pm:   

I've heard the same thing, but haven't pursued it. I don't know where you live, but if it were me, I'd find an Asian specialty store and ask there. Then again, there's a Korean version which Ive never seen -- I wonder if that's what they're talking about. I wouldn't doubt it's more extreme than the Japanese original--at least that's the tendency of dark Korean cinema. That version can be obtained through Poker Industries, the online store.

Anyone else have an idea....?
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Marc Laidlaw
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 06:16 pm:   

The Korean version of Ringu (Ring Virus) is very, very bad. It is in some ways more faithful to the book, but with horrid production values. You can find a very accurate description of its shortcomings here.

http://www.theringworld.com/

By the way, if you haven't read the novel, I do recommend it. It is much darker than the films.
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Marc Laidlaw
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 06:22 pm:   

This page features info about the "deformed mouth" by the way:

http://www.theringworld.com/brussels.php

"The print screened in Brussels contained an effect that was apparently cut from the finished film. In the version with which we are familiar, the bodies of those slain by Sadako are shown with their mouths open in scream. The Brussels cut, however, showed the corpses of Tomoko in the closet, Ryuji in his apartment, and Tsuji Youko being pulled from her car with a mouth that was "not simply open but deformed in a scary way: it was a narrow VERTICAL opening!"
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mlaidlaw
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 06:25 pm:   

Hi, Lucius,

I got sucked into the "Dark Movies/Asian cinema" thread a long time ago by Sam Hamm...writing as Lamprey back then...

Talk about a virus; and I thought I'd shaken it!

Marc
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 06:59 pm:   

Hey, Marc....thanks for the info. So, you were Lamprey, huh? What were your secret powers?

I'm kinda surprised the Korean version's so bad, 'cause I've seen a lot of cool Korean movies recently. Weird. I gotta go see Van Helsing and The Day After Tomorrow screenings next week, so I've been watching a lot of flicks I think I'll like to provide insulation.

Anyway, good to hear from you, man. Hope you're thriving...
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Chris Dodson
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:14 pm:   

Thanks for the info, Marc!
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ml
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:50 pm:   

My kids are fans of Sommers' mummy movies, and eventually I learned to pretend I was 8, watching them on TV on Saturday afternoon. I liked the vast display of cruise passenger carcasses and some of the monster effects in Deep Rising. I harbored dim hopes for Van Helsing. Until I saw the trailer.

Judge the Korean Ring for yourself; I'd like to be more of a Ringu completist, but I still haven't watched Ringu 0. The book is interesting because the protagonists are so despicable. Verbinski's Ring impressed me because it seemed he brought further resolution to the Ringu cycle without just rehashing stuff the originals did better.

But...Chris...don't bother with Ring Virus unless you have already done everything in your power to track down Hideo Nakata's Dark Water. (All-region copies are plentiful on ebay.)

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ellen
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 09:13 am:   

That reminds me, Lucius. You lent me H a really bad Korean thriller that I finally got around to watch Saturday night with my sister. Terrible translation, dumb idea. That's actually the first Korean movie I've ever seen.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 09:33 am:   

Thanks for mentioning that, Ellen. I suppose I should mention your recommendation to me of Amistad by way of response...but no, that would be too cruel.

:-)

In any case, when I was on my way to France, I grabbed a bunch of DVDs to pass to you at the WFC. Perhaps not all of them meet with your approval, but I will seek to excuse myself by saying that I was in a rush. I remember a couple of titles that I like quite a bit. As I recall H was a movie I hadn't yet watched, but had read good reviews of. If you want to see two good Korean dark suspense films, try BAD GUY and NOWHERE TO HIDE....
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ellen
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 05:45 pm:   

I know I know. I'm a meany.

I haven't yet watched the others you lent...I'm delighted to get a feel for what's out there. I'm more critical of horror/psychological thrillers than other kinds of movies as I've read so much that sloppiness and copying really pisses me off.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 06:08 pm:   

You're going to find a lot of bad subtitle jobs when you get into Asian films, but sometimes it's worth it...

Amistad...Mmmmmm.... :-)
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ellen
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 08:16 pm:   

Yup. I liked Amistad and I won't deny it.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 08:23 pm:   

Well, you out-emoticonned me, anyway. :-)
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Luís
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 01:43 am:   

Definitely watch DARK WATER, it's a great movie.

Speaking of Korean cinema, has anyone seen NATURAL CITY yet? It's a sort of remake/sort of tribute to BLADE RUNNER. Worth watching.

Best,
Luís
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 07:51 am:   

Thanks for the rec, Luis....
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yesm'ladylaw
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 09:34 am:   

I have heard good things about the Korean remake of Amistad. There is supposedly a version featuring a "deformed Brussels sprout" so terrifying that those who watch it must view the Korean remake of "1942" within seven days, or else they will end up like this: O\o. (Yes, that is a *diagonal* mouth.)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 09:46 am:   

I;m doing a film-round-up of 2003 movies. If anybody has any recs of Asian films released in 2003 that I should take a look at, I'd appreciate hearing about it.
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mlaidlaw
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 10:35 am:   

Have you seen Miike's Gozu? I haven't, yet, but not for lack of trying. Well, okay, I haven't really tried very hard.

For that matter, I haven't seen Beat Takeshi's Zatoichi yet either. Friend of mine saw it in France and said it was great. Perhaps you can quote him in your review.
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mlaidlaw
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 10:40 am:   

Here's a non-Ringu question about a Japanese movie someone mentioned to me about five years ago. Supposedly entitled THE WORST YEAR OF MY LIFE, it was about a Yakuza who cut off his pinky and spent the rest of the film trying to get it back. Ring any bells?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 12:03 pm:   

Thanks, Ellen.

Mark, it sounds familiar, but that's all I can say
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ellen
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 02:01 pm:   

Lucius. I'd never seen a Korean movie before so that's probably why I was so disappointed. I appreciate you lending it to me and hope to get to the others real soon.

Just back from New Paltz, where I attended a conference run by John Langan.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 05:04 pm:   

Mark, Thanks for reminding about Gozu -- that's one weird movie....
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 05:07 pm:   

PS -- Zatoichi's my second favorite Beat Takeshi movie after Fireworks.

And Ellen, if you want to see a great piece of Asian cinema, you should definitely see Fireworks...
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Luke Brown
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 05:32 pm:   

I'd just though I'd second that. Hana-Bi (Fireworks) is one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen. I haven't had the chance to see Zatoichi yet, but it sounds great. Lucius, have you seen Taboo and if so any good? I have a copy on tape but have to get a new VCR player before I can actually watch it!
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 08:44 pm:   

Hi, Lucius.

I saw K. Kurosawa's "Bright Future" (2003) a few days ago. It was pretty great in my opinion.

I'm planning a trip to the DVD shop near the Uni here in Xiamen this afternoon. I'll let you know if anything interesting turns up.

Cheers,
Rich
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Mar cLa idl aw
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 09:52 pm:   

There's not a single Beat Takeshi movie I wouldn't watch again (after a suitable interval), but it might be that when it comes to BT, you never quite get over your first. For me, it was "Sonatine" that changed my world.

I confess I even loved "Kikujiro," which has a couple bits of comic timing and misdirection worthy of Chaplin.

The completist must watch "Getting Any?" Must must must. If only for the mockery of all the staples of the Japanese movie industry: Gamera, Yakuza movies, Zatoichi (it was his first attempt at Zatoichi), and one hilarious pot-shot at Lone Wolf and Cub.

Have you seen "A Scene by the Sea"--the one about the deaf surfer? Low key and unforgettable.

I don't want to talk about "Dolls." Also, don't rub it in if you've already seen Zatoichi. I'm hoping it'll be at the next Seattle International Film Fest.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:10 pm:   

Marc, I just talked to someone who said Zatoichi is at the SIFF. I'd like to see it in the theater -- I have it on DVD and I'm sure it looks beautiful on a big screen.

Haven't seen Getting Any. I have to say that I'm not a big fan of his "Brother."
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:31 pm:   

Thanks, Rich. Have fun shopping... :-)

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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:45 pm:   

Rich, about Bright Future....that's the jellyfish movie, right? If that's the one you mean, yeah, I like that movie. Weird jellyfish.....
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Marclaw Laid
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 12:14 am:   

Ah, great news about Zatoichi! The SIFF website isn't listing films yet. I can settle down.

I saw "Brother" at SIFF and it was the Intro to Bito for several folks with me. They went straight from that to the others, so it served a useful purpose.

I'm sorry to say that one of the best movies I saw in 2003, one of the best movies of any year in all the years they've been making movies, was made in 2002. That would be "Marooned in Iraq."

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Rich Patterson
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 06:26 am:   

Yes, Lucius. Bright Future is the jellyfish movie. About a couple of disaffected laundry co-workers who independently decide to murder their boss when he offers them a promotion. One goes to jail and the other takes care of his mate's red jellyfish. As you already know, it's a solid film. Can't wait to see more Kurosawa.

Today I got a copy of "Zatoichi", and a couple of oldies by Miike ("Ichi" and "Dead or Alive"). The problem I'm having in the DVD shops here is that I keep seeing shit loads of films with cool-looking artwork that don't have a stitch of English on the cover. Not even a translation of the title. I need to find a website that has illustrations of Asian cover art along side English info about the title/director.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 09:51 am:   

Rich, try Poker Industries online....
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 09:53 am:   

Marc, haven't seen Marooned in Iraq, but I know about it. I think I'll pick it up on DVD...
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Marc
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 10:05 am:   

I'm a huge admirer of Iranian movies in general. But that one, by a Kurdish director, is really special.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 10:57 am:   

it sounds great--I've been thinking about getting it for a while; but I spent so much money getting every single Aki Kaurismaki film ever made. I've been trying to be frugal. But hell with it.... :-)
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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 11:07 am:   

Wait, are you all talking about a new Zatoichi film? Some sort of remake? Or am I missing something? Why would anyone want to remake the Zatoichi films? Or are you talking about one of the old ones? Someone please shed light.
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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 11:12 am:   

Nevermind. I just googled it. Zatoichi with blonde hair. Christ. Looks sort of pathetic, but maybe I am wrong :-(. Still dont see the point of remakes.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 11:26 am:   

Is this a remake, Brendan? I haven't seen all the old Zatoichi movies, so I don't know. I thought of it as just another episode in the series. I really liked it, but too each their own.
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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 12:05 pm:   

My impression from reading the info is that it is based on a story already used. But maybe I am wrong. Gang leaders. Gieshas. They are in lots of the old films. It has a June 4th release date. Since I am going to be in the US then I will probably check it out anyhow, just to see. It is just hard to get used to a new person playing a part you are already familiar with. I just hope that the US release is not dubbed.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 12:24 pm:   

Brendan, you can buy it on Korean and Hong Kong DVD, on which it is most assuredly not dubbed. It's a strange piece of work. Doesn't compare to the old Zatoichi flicks, at least the ones I've seen...
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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 12:31 pm:   

The problem is that I live in Switzerland, and so use Region 2 DVD (PAL). So I am not sure if it would work. Most of the Japanese films available here are not only dubbed, but they are dubbed in French or German - which is very disturbing! In the old days the Japanese films in the US were never dubbed, but maybe these days it is different. I see the film is being brought out by Mirimax, so they are probably shooting for a wide audience. Still, Life is Beautiful was not dubbed and it had a big audience.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 12:47 pm:   

Brendan, I'd check it out. I think it's region 3, but there may be an all-region version.

I would be surprised if it were dubbed in theaters here. Miramax releases plenty of sub-titled films.
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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 01:01 pm:   

Yes, I will check it out in the theatre. I love Samurai films . . . but not the "Last Samurai" type.

Even a lot of the worst ones from the 70's I enjoy.

I sort of thought it was a lost genre though.
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marc
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 01:22 pm:   

I have two words for lovers of samurai films:

Hara Kiri.
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ml
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 01:24 pm:   

Oni and Baba are also two nice words that go well together.
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ml
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 01:30 pm:   

On Zatoichi, which I have not yet seen, Beat Takeshi is evidently having his way with a popular character. The amazing "clogging" number in the trailers suggests that this is not a studio-franchise driven remake, but is Takeshi's pure version. Anyway, the artless blond remake has already been done by Rutger Hauer in "Blind Fury": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096945/
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 02:07 pm:   

Hara Kiri and Onibaba are two of the greatest samural flicks ever. I've recommended them on other threads here. Astonishing movies. Kobyashi is my favorite Japanese director.

The artless blond remake with Rutger Hauer is a guilty pleasure for me, partly because I have a jones for RH B-movies and also because ex-heavywight boxing contender Randall "Tex" Cobb plays one of the villains.
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Marc
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 03:08 pm:   

Hee! I take a similar guilty pleasure in Tsui Hark's Van Damme flicks (not to be confused with John Woo's Van Damme). A highly assailable position, I'm aware. But "Double Team" features some of the most brilliant product placement action motifs ever; and "Knock Off"...well, hell, I don't remember a thing about it except that I grinned sheepishly throughout.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 04:09 pm:   

I like Double Team (Dere's two of dem!), but I must admit to failing to enjoy Knock Off. Have you seen the bootleg of Hard Target? It's fucking amazingly good. 25 minutes longer than the theatrical release, all the Woo-esque violence left in. It's actually a pretty good John Woo movie....
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ml
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 05:11 pm:   

No on the Hard Target bootleg; if I come across it, well, sure. But there's something fundamentally off about Woo's American movies and I haven't enjoyed a one of them; I gave up after a while. "Bullet in the Head" remains my favorite Woo film. It doesn't feel as precious and pretentious as the others. I'll take Hark over Woo any day.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 06:29 pm:   

If you can track down Hard Target, it's worth it. I got it at Kim's in NYC. The rest of his American stuff bites. BULLET's my favorite of his, too, so I figure you might like the bootleg Target.
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S. Hamm
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 06:30 pm:   

You Onibabazoids have seen Kuroneko, haven't you? One of the greatest opening shots in the history of movies.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 07:03 pm:   

I haven't seen it for a long time....like twenty years. I don't think you can get it in this country. I remember the opening, the fire, and the rest kind of blurs, but I remember it was stylistically a lot like Onibaba....
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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 11:02 pm:   

I have seen Hara Kiri and liked it. I am not sure about Onibaba though. Some of my favourites are:

Sanjuro
The Samurai Trilogy
and then there is one...Cant remember the name at the moment, but it is directed by Tushiro Mifune, and called "red" something or other (not Redbeard). In in Mifune struts around wearing a bright red wig and stutters a lot. Hmmm.

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 02:53 am:   

Red Hair, But I don't think Mifune directed it, though. The only other movie I can recall he made with the word Red in the title was that movie he did with Charles Bronson, Red Sun, which I know you're not referring to.

Onibaba's awesome. About these two women who murder soldiers returning from war and sell their possessions in order to live. Filmedin the midst of a sea of reeds, this hut where they live, and with this spare score of drums.
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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 03:12 am:   

Actually the film is called "Red Lion" - but you are right, I think actually it was directed by Okamato, the guy who did "Sword of Doom" "Samurai Assassin" "Zatoichi meets Yojimbo" etc.

Onibaba definately does not sound familiar. I will have to check it out.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:21 am:   

Red Lion, Red Hair....Same difference.... :-)

Shindo, the director of Onibaba, also made Kuroneko, the film Sam Hamm referred to...
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John Klima
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:42 am:   

If you have the Indenpendent Film Channel, they've been showing all sorts of these films. Onibaba, Sword of Doom, the Samurai Trilogy, Zatoichi, etc. I've been TiVo-ing them when they're on late night (3AM or so) and watching them later.

JK
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:49 am:   

Thanks, JK
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malarckydlaw
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:30 am:   

Then there is classic the Kurosawa/Mifune trilogy, a tragic epic of three comedians who so desperately wanted to be loved that they would do anything to please: "Red Buttons," "Red Skeleton," and "Robin Williams is Humping My Leg."
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ml
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:33 am:   

...must also throw in a gratuitous reference to "Fire on the Plain" here...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:37 am:   

Haven't seen Fire on the Plain, but of course am familiar with the trilogy....The Robin WIlliams section is a trilogy unto itself, the most poignant section being the part about a man losing touch with his drugs.
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muh
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:30 am:   

The most brilliant moment echoing Kurosawa's masterful touch in "High and Low"...the Toshiro Williams character, having failed to amuse a mob of glum children with his clowning at a playground he barely managed to build at the end of his life, draws off his fright wig, casts it in the mud at the foot of a slide; proceeds to then tear off his clown suit, his clown shoes, his clown wifebeater (to a crackling explosion of unleashed back-hair). Finally, he is down to his baggy polka-dotted drawers. As the horrified children look on, he sheds even those. And for a moment we see he is wearing a pubic merkin. It has been painstakingly hand-tinted BRIGHT RED on the black and white filmstock. The little children rise up and beat him to death. We are replete.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:36 am:   

Kurosawa knew wish fulfillment, didn't he?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:23 pm:   

BTW. Marc, did you know Nakata is directing Ring 2 for Dreamworks? Goodbye to another talented director...
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Marc
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:21 pm:   

I heard. I feel sorry for him. Talk about stuff getting Lost in Translation. I wonder what they told him he was getting into.

When I went to Tokyo (very briefly) to work with Synergy Studios on a novel based on their game "Gadget"--which was a surreal masterpiece--I was amused to hear the stuff their U.S. agents had told them. They were convinced that there was going to be a Gadget movie and a Gadget TV series. Gadget was so clearly a product that would appeal to a tiny cult...and yet their hopes were so high I couldn't bear to shatter them.

Maybe Nakata thinks this is the stepping stone toward an original Sci-Fi Channel TV series: "The Ring: The Series!"
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Marc
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:26 pm:   

Further to previous entry: "Fire on the Plain" was something J.G. Ballard cited as a big influence, and when you watch it, it's not hard to see why. I tried reading the book, and found the film quite faithful and ultimately more compelling (possibly simply the fault of the translation). It's certainly near the top of my list of the best War movies ever. Sometimes it's at the top.

I haven't watched "The Human Condition" yet, btw. I see the library has 'em on DVD. So as soon as I'm done with Season 3 of Oz, I'll order them up!

Haven't seen Kuroneko either, Sam. It's nice to have something to look forward to.

...anyone else utterly thoroughly embarrassingly hooked on Deadwood?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:34 pm:   

Whatever Nakata thinks, he's getting paid a lot, but it ain't enough....

Human Condition is awesome.

I would be hooked on Deadwood, but I just don't have time to watch with regularity. I'm a real fan of Ian McShane. A great villain, as in Sexy Beast. Too bad he had that dumbass Lovejoy series, but I can't hold it against him.
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Marc
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 12:35 am:   

When the Deadwood DVD set comes out, I'll live there for 12 hours straight.

The language in the show is unbelievable. And no, I don't mean the profanity. The writers and the actors are having an orgy with words.

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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:07 am:   

You know, I've never bought or rented a set like that. Maybe. The fact hat Carradine fell out early diminishes it's appeal for me, but I do like Boothe and McShane...
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ml
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 12:43 pm:   

I took the loss of Carradine hard, but I think because they knew it was coming and structured the season accordingly, the story itself hasn't suffered for it. It's not like when Lynch resolved the death of Laura Palmer and it became grindingly obvious that Twin Peaks didn't have a second gear, or any underlying structure at all. I have to say that right now, the 8-12 episode miniseries is about my favorite dramatic structure. The first season of "The Sopranos" had the simultaneous sweep and concision of the entire run of "I, Claudius" (and a fair number of obvious parallels). I like the fact that you can detect authorship in it.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 01:46 pm:   

Actually, my favorite mini-things were the Cracker deals with Robbie Coltrane and the first Prime Suspect. I've never made it through a whole season of the Sopranos...not because I didn't enjoy the show. I just never had the focus to stay with it. Also, it grated on me a bit in that the mob guys I'd met (through boxing friends) weren't that charming. But I really do like James Gandolfini and Imperioli and others in the cast. I agree with you about the 8-12 episode thing in principle. Or the single season thing they tried with Wiseguy and the lawyer show with Daniel Benzali...
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ml
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 02:41 pm:   

Those first few Prime Suspects were excellent. Very dark and horrific. Also notable for being the first time I saw David Thewlis (just before Naked came out here). (Mike Leigh thread postponed.) I still haven't taken the time to watch Cracker, although I've been a Robbie Coltrane fan ever since "Mona Lisa."
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 03:15 pm:   

If you're a Coltrane fan, you NEED to see at least the first Cracker. He's spectacular in it. Some of the best TV dialog ever. Very crisp.
Hard to think. I just learned Terence Malick is making a film about Pocahuntas and I'm trying to decide how I feel about that.
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ml
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 06:54 pm:   

Don't tell me he's adapting ARGYLL.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 07:05 pm:   

I don't know what his source material is -- I know he's writing a screenplay is all. I really like Malick, but Pocahuntas....Mmmm.

Oh! Rutger Hauer in Flying Virus! An excuse not to write...
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ml
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:20 pm:   

The Thin Red Line is another near the top of my war movie list.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 09:07 pm:   

Thin Red Line is a masterpiece. The greatest use of a voiceover in film history. Unbelievably cool.
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Night Shade Books
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 01:19 am:   

I think I'm the only person I've ever met who was bored shitless by The Thin Red Line.

But then, I'm unburdened by taste....
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 03:59 am:   

Oh, no, You're in the majority. Most people preferred the Spielberg, which was basically a giant episode of Combat enclosed by a framing device. Me, I loved Thin Red Line, and I just wish I could get hold of the 5 hour plus director's cut.

BTW, Jason, be warned. Von Helsing is this year's LXG.....
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 06:58 am:   

i love the thin red line. that five hour plus director's cut idea (or if it's real) sounds great to me. as for the new malik film... well, you know, at least he's making a film ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 08:00 am:   

Ben, there''s supposed to be a five hour and 45 minute director's cut. I've heard about it from several sources, and I believe it's been shown on a couple of occasions. Wish they'd put it out on DVD...
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ml
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 08:46 am:   

I don't believe there's a better combat sequence in cinema than the storming of that hill...whatever hill it was. I can watch just that part over and over again. I guess you could compare this with the bit in Private Ryan where the Americans storm the German bunkers. Except for me, one has the texture of memory, and the other has the texture of the memory of watching a TV show.

I haven't yet read the Jones novel, but I skipped around in it once. There's an awesome sequence where a soldier is ambushed while taking a crap. I would like to imagine this is something that made it into the five hour cut.
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John Picacio
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 09:01 am:   

Count me in as a big admirer of THE THIN RED LINE. Most of my friends hated THIN RED LINE, but gushed all over PRIVATE RYAN.....I know very few people that liked THIN RED LINE.

THIN RED LINE was like poetry on film...PRIVATE RYAN was just a big spoonfeeding session....Spielberg and Hanks pushing all of the obvious buttons and telling me how I'm supposed to feel. Really condescending. I always thought THIN RED LINE was the complete antithesis of that, and I wish there were more films made in the spirit of that one.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 09:47 am:   

Yeah, the hill is great, as is the overrunning of the Japanese encampment. Terrific stuff...

Don't know anything about the director's cut, but the taking-a-crap scene sounds like something Malick would fix on.....
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Night Shade Books
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 12:46 am:   

Well, I just saw Van Helsing.

Sigh. When will I fucking learn?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 03:45 am:   

Jason, you gotta start listening to me, man! :-) That shit makes the Mummy look like Lawrence of Arabia. Unbelievable!
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Big fish
Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 12:24 pm:   

Can some one tell me if there is any
relationship between Lone Wolf and Cub and Zatoichi?

Also, how may LW&C movies are available for purchase?
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ml
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 11:05 am:   

There's no connection I know of, aside from them both being samurai classics.

There are six Lone Wolf & Cub movies:

http://www.animeigo.com/Samurai/LWC.t

There are many more Zatoichi movies, not including the new one made by Beat Takeshi.

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