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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 06:55 am:   

yep...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 02:09 pm:   

I got a real copy of Grinderman, and now I'm not sure why I wasn't fond of it at first. I think it was mostly the first song. Aside from not liking that, I'm enjoying the rest of the CD.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 05:17 pm:   

Maybe I'm going to have to get it...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 07:00 am:   

American Idolaters .... Horrid.
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Robert Wexler
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 12:04 pm:   

Funny, I love the first Grinderman song... And overall I'm pretty happy with the album.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 07:14 pm:   

I don't expect others to agree with, let alone understand, my taste in music. I often don't understand it. In any event, Cave's had songs on all the albums that I don't care for, only disliking one is pretty good overall.

I skipped Idol last night, I tuned in for the end of this episode. After this, Dave's prediction seems right. Jordin will win.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 07:59 pm:   

Maybe...that's the smart pick, but I'm gonna take the field. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 11:19 pm:   

i dig that GRINDERMAN album.

the new black rebel motorcycle club album, BABY 81, is okay, but not as cool as HOWL.

the new stooges album, btw, sucked.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 03:16 am:   

I like about half the songs on Grinderman and think the other half are a little lacklustre. But the half I like is more than enough!

Anyone familiar with US band Slint? They're playing with Explositions in the Sky in my neck of the woods a couple of weeks from now. Never heard Slint and wondered what to expect seeing as I'll be seeing them.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 04:36 am:   

Slint was a seminal post rock band that played in the late 80s, early ninties. I loved their album Spiderland. They broke up more than fifteen years ago, but I heard they were touring again. I have no idea what they're like now, but I'd be curious to see.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 04:55 am:   

Who got bumped off Idol.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 04:56 am:   

Thanks Lucius. Sounds like they'll be well worth seeing. I didn't realise they were a band of yore. Strange how they've suddenly come back like this, but very intriguing. They're playing near me on May 28th, so I'll be sure to post something about it after.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 05:05 am:   

Yeah, do. They started touring again in 2OO5, mostly in Europe. Spiderland was, at the time, an amazing album. The songs were really complex. Like I said, I really dug them.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 05:53 am:   

I hear Slint's influence in so many bands now. Is there any math-rock band that doesn't copy them? A reunion sounds weird though. I doubt they can live up to expectations for new music, so will they just be a nostalgia reunion?

Melinda left Idol. The final 2 are Jordin and Blake. Blake doesn't seem like he can hold his own against Jordin (but he didn't seem in the same league as Melinda, and now she's gone).
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 06:49 am:   

Another black eye for the Idol producers. The most talented singer gets the heave-ho in favor of Beatbox Bozo.

If Jordin Sparks doesn't start puking pea soup all over the stage and telling Simon, in Mercedes McCambridge's voice, that his mother sucks c***s in hell, I think she'll take the crown easily.

Did you know Jordin's dad was Phillipi Sparks?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 07:30 am:   

Slint's been touring europe for two years--if it were the states I'd surely agree with you, Robert, but they might just be making good music. But it could be. If they ever come through portyland, I'll check em out.

Who the fuck is Phillipi Sparks? Is he in Dueteronomy?

I sorta glad Melinda got bounced. She could sing, but everything she did sounded standard to me.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 07:55 am:   

Was there anyone besides Blake who didn't sound standard?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 08:12 am:   

No, and that's why I'm rooting for Blake. But there was something particularly standard about her, at least for me. Something retro. I think she would be wise to emphasize that in her career.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 09:10 am:   

Former CB with Giants and Cowboys.

I think there may be some connection between Slint and great old school band named Squirrel Bait.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 09:40 am:   

A couple of guys in Slint played with Squirrel Bait and went on to play with Slint and then Tortoise, the Breeders, etc.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 04:18 am:   

There's a band I quite like called 65 Days of Static whose debut album was called "The Fall of Math", and I suppose they're probably a good example of recent math rock. It's a fine album, though the density of noise can rattle the brain a bit. It's no hangover cure, that's for sure.

Strangely enough, I came across an Italian article today where the guy reckons "The Fall of Math" is the "Spiderland" of this decade! Funny how these things all seem to come together.

Quick change of subject. There's a film about Ian Curtis just out and shown at Cannes the other day:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6667197.stm

Definitely one for Joy Division fans to look out for.

I was very young when Curtis died but, because of older brothers, was prematurely alerted to music for older people when I should have been listening to the Smurfs or something. I remember very vividly seeing a live TV performance of Joy Division with Curtis looking like he was on the verge of a nervous breakdown (and probably was).

It was actually quite disturbing to see for someone of a diminutive age group, and then shortly after (memory tells me the day after, but this might be a fanciful rendering of the facts) I heard about his suicide. Though I was never a huge Joy Division fan, this memory of Ian Curtis was an early defining moment for me as regards music. I'm not sure in what way, but I think it struck me then that music was somehow deeper, darker and more serious than I thought it was.

To this day, I find it disconcerting when I hear Joy Division. I feel like I'm listening to a man falling apart at the seams, which in a sense is exactly what it is.

Anyway, seeing as it's Friday and all, I thought I'd share this happy little anecdote with you!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 06:32 am:   

Besides picking up Grinderman, I got the second posthumous Elliott Smith CD. It's OK stuff from the Either/Or period of acoustic singer/songwriter stuff. I'm more of a fan of Smith's baroque pop.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 07:09 am:   

The Curtis film sounds great, alastair. I love samantha morton.

Never got into smith...
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 01:49 am:   

yeah, i never understood the smith appeal, either.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 06:52 am:   

it was the last name. gets em every time.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

For me, the appeal was the mix of Beatles and folk rock. I am still a sucker for well orchestrated pop, although few bands do it in an interesting way.

Last night, I went out for a concert. Once again I'm reminded how I hate having multiple acts. Four bands were playing, I went to see one band and wouldn't have minded seeing the headliner. All four were rock/metal with women singing. I went for The Gathering, and they were third to play. Despite not being metal anymore, they stuck to the heavier stuff, and I'm always amazed by the singer. The two openers did nothing for me.

The venue was overcrowded, I could barely move once the show started. Considering the crowd and the heat, I didn't feel much like sticking around for the headliner, Lacuna Coil. If there had not been so many bands playing first, I might have stayed for them.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 08:44 am:   

I used to love those kind of concerts. I remember seeing Johnny Winter, Spooky Tooth, Santana and Kieth Emerson's first band the Nice all on the same bill. I loved the ambience. Bathrooms full of smoke and bikers that resembled the seventh circle of hell. But I know they can be a drag. One time, while seeing Traffic, I was sitting crosslegged and got a cramp in my innner thigh. I tried to rub it out and the girl in front of me accused me of molesting her...that's how closely we were packed.
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jk
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 10:56 am:   

You should have told her you were sitting in the lotus position in order to awaken your kundalini serpent power.
Did you ever see King Crimson back then Lucius?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 11:03 am:   

:-)

I saw KC opening for the Band in Detroit. After KC, the Band sounded like a ka-dink ka dink music box.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 08:36 pm:   

Anybody heard Polyphonic Spree? I heard a song I kinda liked.
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jk
Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 09:49 pm:   

They kind of sounded like Flaming Lips to me. Haven't heard much. They dress up in robes too, like Hare Krishnas or something.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 11:07 pm:   

yeah, i dig 'em. they're fronted by tim delaughter who fronted tripping daisy's, i believe.

it's basically a sort of choral gospel thing, but without any kind of jesus in it. i saw them live a couple of years back, and it was a really good live show--full of energy. i just left feeling really upbeat, which, y'know, might sound odd to say, since most of the time i feel pretty good after a good gig. but they had this whole upbeat vibe going and it sorta defines the albums, especially the second one, TOGETHER WE'RE HEAVY. leaving the live gig i was just buzzing with nice, good energy. i'm usually pretty cynical of that kind of thing, so take it how you want.

the first album, THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THE POYPHONIC SPREE is the best, but, even though the second was mostly hated by critics, i liked it well enough. they released an EP called WAIT which was okay--had a nice cover of nirvana's 'lithium' on it, but it was nothing special. there's a new album coming out called THE FRAGILE ARMY (it might be out now, even) which i am looking forward too.

anyhow, man, they get my vote of approval.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 05:11 am:   

Thanks guys. Think I'll go for a cd.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 11:04 am:   

Lucius, sorry if I missed it, but have to actually heard the elephant-related recording you mentioned on inferior 4+1? Or samples etc? It sounds quite cool, I wonder if there's a DVD version?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 11:19 am:   

I had heard about that elephant recording before, but I haven't listened to it.

Peter Gabriel had a project where he taught bonobos (a chimp species) to play music. I wish he released some of that music.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 11:22 am:   

There are samples available, Mike, along with full descriptions, and both albums are on CD

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/t6.html

Hey, could you do me a favor? next time you see something on the inferior4 page and want to respond, would you do it there? I'm trying to stimulate exchanges and build traffic.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 11:27 am:   

Yeah sure. In fact I'll go ask the question over there...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 11:37 am:   

...while demonstrating why I hadn't done so yet. :D (clicked the wrong button for the openID bit).
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 12:10 pm:   

We live and learn. Thanks, Mike.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 12:45 pm:   

Any opinions on Joanna Newsom's Ys? I watched a concert over the weekend where she played the album and a few other things and it wasn't what I expected at all, especially that she's an amazing harpist.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 01:13 pm:   

Haven't heard her -- I thought Ys was a mispelled Yes.

:-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 01:16 pm:   

I gave her a try and listened to a few songs, but I largely remember her not being that interesting and falling into that somewhat annoying Sufjan Stevens mold, where the music is too precious for it's own good. However, it was a very limited listen, so she might be more interesting than I remember.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 01:22 pm:   

Sufjan Stevens is, in my view, more than annoying. He's throw-the-cd-at-the-side-of-a-dumpster infuriating...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 01:42 pm:   

I thought he was amusing in small doses, but besides the preciousness, he suffers from thinking being prolific makes him good. Instead of releasing 2CDs of outtakes and 42 Christmas songs, why not show some restraint and only release the best stuff? Not everything needs to be put out on CD, and going overboard with the releases devalues all his music and makes him wear out his welcome much more quickly.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 02:01 pm:   

"I thought Ys was a mispelled Yes. "

:D

Her music is definitely interesting, although I think I can see what you mean about the precious thing, although she's from Nevada City, less than an hour from where I live, and that's generally a very, outdoorsy hippie area with lots of bluegrass/celtic/folk festivals. Course it has gotten a bit yuppie in recent years...

What I liked about Newsom (she has kind of an Alanis-like voice which is often a dealbreaker for people) is her prowess on the harp, particularly the way she can play two rhythms with her two hands and then tie all of the experimentation up into something very accessible (like winding a 3 beat and a 4 beat together so they match up after 12). I also like her slight Appalachian influences, that's one element that keeps it from being too formal to my ears.

Sufijan Stevens I'll keep away from. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 02:18 pm:   

Polyphonic Spree? Yr thoughts?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 02:44 pm:   

I have serious reservations about the whole "new cheerfulness" that the Lips and the Spree have tried to spread. In 15 years, it's going to play like "flower power".
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   

How do you like it now.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 03:19 pm:   

I didn't like Flaming Lips, are the vocals with Spree any better?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 04:08 pm:   

only heard one song, which i liked and didn't remind me much of TFL.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 04:49 pm:   

i reckon the vocals are more melodic for polyphonic spree. i don't get the reminder between them and the flaming lips.

of course, i like the flaming lips, so...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 06:50 pm:   

I watched some YouTube clips of Newsome. I think I was lumping her in with Sufjan based on fan overlap, not her music. I still don't think I'll get her CDs though. Her voice is definitely a dealbreaker for me.
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jk
Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 07:26 pm:   

From what I've heard of Polyphonic the singer seems to have the same kind of wobbly, high pitched indie-type voice as Wayne Coyne. Not too sure about the music. I never much liked Flaming Lips myself.
I thinks Newsom's Ys is pretty great. Her vocals aren't as annoying as on Milk Eyed Mender. I still haven't gotten Milk Eyed because the vocals sound like she's been sucking on a helium balloon. Really annoying.
Ys is five long songs with really nice string arrangements by Van Dyke Parks. There are a few parts where the vocals get a little too twee, but for the most part it works with the music and is pretty impressive. It's a grower though, the first time I heard it I wasn't that impressed, but it gets better with time.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 08:28 am:   

During that concert she mentioned the Van Dyke Parks connection, but they were obviously playing Ys without strings, so now I'm definitely curious to hear it.

I checked out the Lips based on hearing they were pretty good with analog synthesizers. I can tolerate a lot of vocalists and in a way it was more that it felt like the warm music clashed with the vocals. I think it was Yoshimi I heard.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 09:49 pm:   

i like YOSHIMI BATTLES THE PINK ROBOTS. i think it's the best thing the flaming lips have done.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 02:21 am:   

Did anyone see the Polyphonic Spree game they did a couple of years ago, for the release of their "Together we're heavy" album?

http://questfortherest.com/

Fun and frustration guaranteed!!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 06:30 am:   

I like Yoshimi. I didn't like the new one, it felt like they spent so much time on the production that they forgot to write interesting songs. I still haven't tried the earlier stuff.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 06:51 am:   

For my part, i liked the first couple of albums, then they started to go downhill--I left the Lips long before Yoshimi....
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 06:59 pm:   

i haven't heard the earlier stuff. CLOUDS TASTE METALLIC is as far back as i go, and i didn't dig that. THE SOFT BULLETEN is pretty good, imo. the latest, AT WAR WITH THE MYSTICS is pretty middle ground stuff.

YOSHIMI is my favourite, though. a girl who fights robots. a song of screams for when she fights. how could anyone say no?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 07:07 pm:   

Ehhh...that fake Japanese sctick doesn't do it for me, generally. I was lukewarm about the lips, but after they started getting slicks, i just didn't care for 'em. Like most bands, they lost their rough edges and I didn't dig em.

Monster Magnet was another band like that. Their first album was great, a garbled, satanic mess called Spine of God, but after that...nada.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 07:24 pm:   

I feel sorry for Joe Perry. First Aerosmith went from being a rock band to writing crappy ballads for movie soundtracks. That's sad enough, but tonight he backed Sanjaya for another butchering of You Really Got Me. Did he really invest his money that poorly? At least Idol brought back something we could loathe, which was missing since Sanjaya left.

Unsurprisingly, Jordin won. However, I think when they release albums, Blake's will do beter.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 07:42 pm:   

Thank you. I don't have to watch it now. Maybe I'll watch just a little... :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 06:27 am:   

I didn't see that Joe moment. I saw him backing Kelly Clarkson on the Idol "salute" to Sgt. Pepper! Yeah, how can he need money that badly?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 07:35 am:   

Sanjaya was beyond horrible. He was worse thann he ever was.

And Joe gave him a half-hug after...Ech.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 08:02 am:   

Worse still was Green Day, who have gone to playing legendary punk house parties to parading around like Top 40 eyeliner buffoons. I used to like them AND Aerosmith.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 08:07 am:   

I totally agree about bands losing their rough edges after a while, there's some major vitality in the early stages of inspiration.

I hear you on Monster Magnet as well. I liked Spine of God and the jammy Tab 25, but after that they managed to get worse every album. The last one I heard was abysmal.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 08:57 am:   

I still listen to Spine of God on occasion. I agree that they became godawful.

I never liked Aerosmith.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 09:38 am:   

I remember there being some good lead guitar work on Spine (gets a bit noodly on Tab), but it seems like they dropped a lot of it later. The songwriting wasn't every too great to begin with, but it took a major hit later. They now make Electric Wizard seem enthusiastic.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:17 am:   

Yep. Good guitar and nice devil music.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:41 am:   

It is a shame when bands get too polished. I've got a higher tolerance for polish, but sometimes it's too much. I suppose that's part of the appeal of Grinderman. After all those ballad heavy Cave albums with big arrangements, he's released something with rough edges again. Very few people can do that, and fewer sound good when trying.

It was the lack of rough edges that turned me away from a lot of metal. Even death metal stuff seems to have no rough edges anymore. Black metal or sludge still have the rough edges, although some have become too polished (the most recent Pelican and Isis come to mind).
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 11:07 am:   

Bands like the Mekons maintained their edge for a long time--they could play but weren't interested in turning out processed dogcrap. I appreciated that.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 11:15 am:   

It was a similar issue to the birth of fusion. Miles, early Weather Report, Mwandishi were rough and dirty as you could be and after a few years it started getting slicker and slicker, polishing out all the bumps until we were left with instruction videos. :-)

I think there's some good death metal with rough edges going still, Car Bomb and Pillory both come to mind. That Car Bomb Centralia CD is one of the best I've heard in the last couple years, with hints of Beefheart and Frith in there.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 11:33 am:   

Gotta get me some car bomb.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   

The connections I mention are partially with the guitarist who uses tones and effects you don't usually hear in the style, big noisy Frith-ish guitar. There's a little Beefheart in the guitar as well, but the compositions have that bizarre rhythmic thing going, very unusual. I wish I had it with me!
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jk
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 08:01 pm:   

There's a new Massacre live album with Frith on guitar. I think it was recorded when they opened for Metallica(!).
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 02:44 pm:   

Saw Massacre a couple years ago at the Knitting Factory. Frith, Hayward and Lasswell. Pretty awesome. I've always been a huge This Heat/Camberwell Now fan and I snap up anything I can by Hayward.
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jk
Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 07:48 pm:   

Yeah, This Heat are pretty great. Good to see their albums reissued lately too. I have a few Hayward solo albums on Sub Rosa which have their moments too, but I'm not that big a fan of his singing, at least on the solo albums.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 03:18 pm:   

I agree with you very much Robert, about the rough edges.

As it happens, I'm going to see Isis in a couple of weeks and am hoping for a full on rough-edge experience. I did like their most recent album, I have to say, though on the whole I crave the roughness.

On Monday I'll see Slint, who were meant to be playing with Explosions in the Sky, but apparently Explosions are cancelled!! Shite! I was really looking forward to them.

But looking forward to Slint all the same.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 03:46 pm:   

Also a metal band playing near me soon called "These Arms Are Snakes"

With a name like that, I'd better go see them.
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jk
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   

Hey Lucius have you seen this? Last Exit Live!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqF8UWf9tw
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 07:27 pm:   

Thanks,JK. That was cool.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 07:03 am:   

I was also fortunate enough to see Last Exit before Sonny Sharrock passed. Great show.

How can you not like Chas Hayward's singing? Best version of "Rongwrong" ever!
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 09:23 am:   

I'm a big This Heat fan as well, picked up the box set of all their stuff a few weeks ago. Can't say I'm as enamored with everything in the box as I am with Deceit and the first one, but it's beautifully done (although I don't think I can finish that booklet). Interesting to see the "We Are All Romans" cover being done by Sleepytime Gorilla Museum as well...

Lucius, I think I sent you that Last Exit DVD, can't check utube at the moment, but I think they only have the one available show. If not, I need the other one too...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 10:16 am:   

Yup. You did. It's the same, I think. I'll have to look at it again.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 12:26 pm:   

I'm glad they reissued REPEAT, a dandy little disc that, I've noticed, has been pretty much impossible to find the last five years or so.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 08:31 am:   

I have always detested Will Oldham, very little of whose copious output I find even remotely listenable. Just heard on the radio an inexplicably awful cover he did with Tortoise of Bruce Springsteen's "Thunder Road" that has to rank as one of the most awful pieces ever committed to permanent media.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 08:39 am:   

Yeah, I never got Will. But a decent actor...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 02:56 am:   

Anyone heard a prog rock-jazz band named La Otracina?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 08:05 am:   

Haven't heard La Otracina, but I really like their spin off band Titan (via guitarist). Titan's more of the psychedelic/kosmische ilk than prog or jazz though. Both albums are really good.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 08:53 am:   

Think I'll try it, then. Thanks...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 10:59 am:   

I've been enjoying Bauer, a band from Argentina. They're kind of like a Spanish language version of Porcupine Tree: nice spacey rock music drawing from Pink Floyd and Radiohead.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 11:51 am:   

I've been meaning to pick their albums up as well Robert, hearing really good things. I've been stuck on the Iona Live in London DVD of late.
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jk
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 01:15 pm:   

Got a cool cd Nordvargr-In Oceans Abandonded by Life I Drown...thick droning textures kind of like Sunn O))) but more rhythmic. Sounds pretty powerful turned up high. Nice devil drone music.
Haven't heard his other stuff but if it's as good as this a need to check it out.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 02:39 pm:   

Where'd you buy that, JK? Can't seem to locate it.

I love me some devildrone.
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jk
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 05:54 pm:   

I got it at www.essence-music.com They're in Brazil. They have some cool limited editions. I passed on the "textured handcrafted box with a vial of squid ink, shellfishes, weird sea skeletons and an exclusive set of cards"(!) and went with the standard version.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 08:35 pm:   

Golly, the squid ink version was sold out... ;)

Thanks...
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 09:40 am:   

Well, better late than never!

I saw Slint and it was a very fine gig. I quite enjoyed not knowing what to expect of the songs, and I deliberately avoided listening to anything by them before seeing them. The result was having lots of musical expectations knocked out of joint in some very nice ways. Lots of great riffs and repeating sounds being interrupting by sudden shifts of pace, and melodic bits being chopped into pieces by exhilarating bouts of noise pollution.

Interestingly, these guys seemed up-to-date contemporary and didn;'t have the aura at all of a band getting back together after some years apart. I had the distinct impression that they're simply continuing from where they left off and that there was no real sense of a former band reforming for nostalgic reasons or becausze they'd ran out of other things to do or whatever. It was really good to see them.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 08:19 am:   

RIP, Tony Wilson, on Aug. 10 of kidney failure.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 02:58 pm:   

Yes, shame about Tony Wilson. He's left us with a very fine legacy.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 09:28 am:   

Tony Wilson was the opposite of so much crap that goes on in the music business today. While big record companies today sue their own fans for downloading a couple of sound files, Tony cut generous handshake deals with artists and made beautiful pieces of record art that delighted fans and lost Factory money. A few hundred Tony Wilsons might save the music industry, but, alas, there was only one.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 10:31 am:   

They'd be fools not to capitalize on some of this posthumous notoriety.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 12:04 pm:   

Happy 55th birthday Joe Strummer.

Watched LET'S ROCK AGAIN last night on Sundance Channel and it reminded me of what we miss most about JS, a guy who never stopped speaking out in a unique musical voice and who went out doing it his way. The shots of him hustling up patrons on the Boardwalk in A.C. broke my heart.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 04:43 am:   

Listen to and loving:

Sunn O)))'s Black one.


The Swedish Band Dungen's spin off Life on Earth.

The great flying nun comp, Where in the world is Wendy Broccoli


And this, which is fuck your head up music from the SCG label and the Aquarius catalog:


V/A "Molam: Thai Country Groove From Isan Vol. 2" (Sublime
Frequencies) cd 16.98
I know we went on about the Butthole Surfers when we reviewed
the first volume in Sublime Frequencies' Thai Country Groove From
Isan series. Hard not to, considering that most of us were first
exposed to Thai music via the Buttholes, and their only slightly
altered version of a classic Thai track. Minus some audio fuckery,
the track was presented in its almost unaltered original form. And
everyone we know loved that track, as much or more than the rest of
the disc. At the time, none of the folks we knew really had any idea
where to find more music like that.
Years later, the Sun City Girls' Sublime Frequency label,
launched a totally kick ass series of compilations, gathering amazing
and mysterious music from all over Asia, one of which focused on
Molam Thai music, and while it didn't include THAT track, most of the
tracks did sound quite similar, some even weirder and wilder... It
ended up being one of our favorite discs in the ever expanding
Sublime Frequencies sonic universe... until now!
Volume two is simply more of the same, but more is what we
wanted, every track a gem, some weird and wacked, some achingly
beautiful, all awesome.
Quick background, Molam is the music that came from rural
areas of Thailand and Laos, dueling female and male vocals, mouth
organ, but as folks moved to the city, the music was modernized,
incorporating the Western style rock band lineup, adding psychedelic
fuzz guitar, electronic organ, and all manner of effects. The results
are of course strange and wondrous, quirky, funky and super rocking,
the guitars twang and buzz, strange little curlicues of melody, over
relentless, propulsive grooves, the drums, simple and motorik, over
the top, keyboards drift, and guitars occasionally explode into wild
overdriven leads, before settling back into their strange convoluted
melodic framework, horns moan and bleat, disco wah guitars drift over
reggae like rhythms, but the vocals, wow! Much like in the first
volume, it's the vocals that make it, they all seem to be singing
variations of the vocal line in the Butthole Surfers' "Kuntz", that
particularly sing songy lilt, sometimes spoken, other times wailed,
always introducing their own melodies to the already melodically
complex musical backdrop... so so so so good! Can't wait for volume
three! (and while you're at it, check out the amazing Ghost Of Isan:
Thailand's Psychedelic Ghost Festival dvd, rife with breathtaking
imagery, and more remarkable Molam sounds...)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 09:36 am:   

I can't remember if I suggested them before, but Dungen guitarist Reine Fiske's band Landberk is also well worth checking out, they're a bit more prog than psych, very moody. They may be hard to track down at this point, I think most may be OOP.

Mail's going out, hopefully by end of week...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 10:09 am:   

Yep, you did suggest them. I tried to land them but failed.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 10:35 am:   

Sadly, I always got Landberk, Landmarq, and Land's End confused. I tried a CD by Land's End and didn't understand why they were recommended to me (until I found out I got the wrong band). I saw "neoprog" referenced to Landmarq and stayed away. I finally gave Landberk a chance and found them interesting, but not quite interesting enough to track down the CDs.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 10:49 am:   

I'll keep that in mind Lucius...

Robert, that's a rough trio to get mixed up. :-)Landmarq is indeed "neoprog," although with a female vocalist they at least avoid the Genesis cliches more than most. Although that would be damning with faint praise.
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jk
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 07:59 pm:   

Sunn O)))-Black One is some nice devil-drone music. Hehe. I like to bring it to work and turn it up real loud on my headphones, it drowns out all the yammering idiots real good.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 08:21 pm:   

Yep...

Hope it doesn't start you thinking about smuggling a weapon into the workplace. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 06:54 am:   

Baroness will have their full length out next week. Relapse should be shipping my copy soon, but I've heard the full thing already. It's a bit more mellow and less heavy than the EPs, more Southern rock influenced. Still the best metal CD I've heard this year (although I haven't heard the latest Neurosis yet).
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 07:01 am:   

Yay. I'm picking that up for sure...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 07:26 am:   

I'm kind of liking the new Deadsoul Tribe. It's basically good 80s metal with some Jethro Tull and a bit of alternative metal thrown in. I was largely bored by their first 4 CDs, but this one has a few good songs.

I got the second album by Bauer, an Argentine prog/psych band. This one reminds me of early King Crimson with some influence from neo-noir film soundtracks. Better than their first CD.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 09:33 am:   

Looks like the Miles Davis On the Corner box set gets released in a couple of weeks. It's apparently the last big box. Can't remember if there were 5 or 6 discs, but probably plenty of unheard items in there. I usually wait for BMG music club to get the boxes in as they're about half what they go for retail, but this one is very tempting.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 10:40 am:   

Saw Baroness for the second time last night. This time they were the headliner. They were pretty much the same as before, 45 minutes of music, no interruptions, no encores. None of the obnoxious stuff so many other bands try like getting people to clap along or sing with them, or telling anecdotes between songs.

The audience was a mix of metal heads, punks, and emo kids.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 05:45 pm:   

Darn, I wish they'd tour on the west coast.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 12:31 pm:   

Found a new band that I'm enjoying, Voice of the Seven Woods. Blending of British folk, Turkish music, and acid rock. It sounds like something that could have been released in the late 60s.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 12:41 pm:   

Well, I bought a Baroness T-shirt anyway. :-)

Voice of the Woods sounds interesting.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 08:53 pm:   

Saw Andrew Bird tonight. I'm always impressed with how he loops his violin, guitar, voice, and whistles to make a really big sound.

The opening act was an odd choice: Howe Gelb. Musically, there is no common ground between the two. I liked Gelb's set, even though he spent a lot of time just talking. I'll have to check out his catalog.

Anyway, I'm out of here for about 10 days. Trip to Hawaii for my brother's wedding.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 09:55 pm:   

The Giant Sand guy--I used to dig that band.

Have fun in Hawaii.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 08:14 am:   

The last time I saw Andrew Bird was in New Zealand...I think I need to get out more.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 09:19 pm:   

I picked up the new Mabuses-Mabused cd. Pretty great British psych-pop. Anyone into Elephant Six stuff like Olivia Tremor Control and/or Syd Barrett might like it too. I'm surprised they put another album out, the last one was in 1994. Anyway, I think the singer/guitarist Kim Fahy is really talanted and overlooked.
It was one of Aquarius records releases of the week last week. There are song samples there as well as 5 or so complete tracks at the website. www.themabuses.com
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 06:53 am:   

They sound good, JK. Another expenditure. :-)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 07:48 am:   

Listened to four discs of the On the Corner box set over the weekend. Discs 1 and 2 appear to be the good stuff, the original (long) jams On the Corner itself was created from, as well as the edits and more. Disc 4, however, is just the two 32 minute tracks that head off each LP of Get Up With It. Sound quality is spectacular.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 09:51 am:   

I'm going to have to pick that up....
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PM
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:27 am:   

iTunes has it for $45 but does not include the booklet.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:39 am:   

Thanks, PM
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:56 am:   

I caught a cool program when I was in Hawaii: Na Mele. It's a PBS show where they get a few local Hawaiian musicians together for jam sessions. I never liked the generic "hula" music that I've heard, but this was really good music, very relaxing and soothing without annoying me in the way new age does. Sadly, I don't remember all the performers, but Dennis Kamakahi was one. I'll try to check out his music.

In other news, Ulver has changed again and now sounds like David Sylvian. I like their results better than anything Sylvian's put out in the last 8 years.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 12:04 pm:   

Dennis is one of those slack key guys--usually I get easily bored with that music, but he sounds like a good songwriter too. Mght be worth a few bucks.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 06:24 pm:   

Oh joy, Fox starts "The Next Great American Band" on Friday. It looks like it is American Idol, but with bands. Will it be more or less of a train wreck than Rock Star? I expect whoever wins won't be forgotten quite as quickly as Supernova, but I could be wrong.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 07:07 pm:   

Oh, I'm there...I think. :-)

I miss Rock Star.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:25 am:   

This show looks wretched. The panelists are the Latin chick (Sheila E.), the successful-but-for-what? rock journeyman (GooGoo Dolls Johnny Rzeznik) and some sarcastic Cowellesque Brit that nobody has ever heard of.

The commercials showed an old granny playing the piano, an off-key girl group and the requisite "good" band, some zoot-suited Squirrel Nut Zippers clone.

Would be depressing if rock and roll still had a breath left in its withered corpse.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 12:20 pm:   

Of course it's gonna be horrid, but then i'm a sick fuck and I think that's funny. I thought you were the same, man. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 05:11 am:   

It as even more horrid than I expected. I don't like any of the bands, although the bluegrass band seemed the most genuinely entertaining. The "highlight" was that gothic heavy metal clown guy.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 08:30 am:   

I thought the mandolin, dobro, guitar band was good. It was pretty bad. Those kids are gonna be serious in a few years.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

Back in the 90s, there was "Bad 4 Good" who were made up of a bunch of kids. The guitar player was amazing, but he hasn't done anything since their album. The singer is the only one who's done anything, and it's not music work (he was an actor before and after). The kids made me think of Bad 4 Good...talented, but who knows if they'll go anywhere.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 08:56 am:   

For sure, there's no guarantee, but they got the stuff if they want it.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:07 am:   

Next Great American Band isn't nearly as entertaining without the bad bands. Now it basically has become a dull battle of the bands with a bunch of generic styles. The judges aren't entertaining either. At least Simon was amusing in his comments, the Aussie guy sounds like the's trying to be Simon and failing.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 08:34 am:   

Yeah, I missed it--I was out Friday and Sat. That was it for the auditions, huh? Too bad.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 08:51 am:   

Only one show of auditions, and they were more interesting than the actual show. Everyone had to do a Dylan cover and an original. At least everyone made the Dylan song fit their style instead of simply copying him.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 09:17 am:   

Well, that might have been cool. Like I said, I miss Rockstar. I've seen Storm Large a couple of times around town but have yet to ask for an autograph... :-)
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jk
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 07:58 pm:   

Anyone see The Sex Pistols on The Tonight Show last night? God, how pathetic. One of those ETBH moments. Is there anything sadder than a 50 year old "punk" like Johnny Rotten?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 06:14 am:   

God I'm glad I missed it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 06:32 am:   

Thank God for YouTube. Did Johnny high-five Jay?
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jk
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 10:21 am:   

No, he made a "controversial" statement in the middle of the song. "When are we going to leave Iraq?" What a rebel.
They were on Late Night With Craig Ferguson last night too. And equally pathetic on that show. Glen Matlock had on leather pants, and Johnny kept pulling down his shirt and showing his breasts, then lifting it and showing his fat stomach. I guess they're doing the rounds. Maybe they'll stop at Oprah next.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 12:30 pm:   

Actually, the band still sounds OK, but there is no possible 2007 setting in which "the Sex Pistols" don't look ridiculous.

Tonight's guests: Tom Cruise, Ron Paul and the Sex Pistols. Sometimes it seems like this life just can't be happening.

I would actually be interested in seeing a PiL reunion if they could get the Lydon/Levene/Wobble/Atkins line-up back together.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 07:59 pm:   

Yeah, he could be doing something more worthwhile, something like Metal Box-era Pil, or something taking that sound a little further. What he's doing now is just for the money.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 08:24 am:   

At least Lydon could have shared the couch with Tom Cruise. That would have been worth watching.
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jk
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 10:09 am:   

Little Tommy ran out before they played. I was wondering if they shared a green room. That would be interesting to see.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:32 am:   

Radiohead's "pay what you want" plan doesn't work too well:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=3826638&page=1

They got 1.2 million downloads, 735,000 didn't pay anything. The remaining 465,000 paid an average of $6 per download. Trent Reznor reportedly paid $1000, so that means a lot paid less than $6.

$6 is better than they would have gotten from a record label selling a CD, but they could have made more selling directly through iTunes (royalty rate from CDBaby's sales through iTunes is $6.37 for the artist, perhaps if they dealt directly with Apple, they probably could have gotten more).

If all 465,000 payers had bought through iTunes, $2.96 million would have been the income. Instead, it is $2.73 million and the band has to cover the costs of the server and credit card processing. They could have lost 35,000 buyers and still done better with iTunes.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:47 am:   

Some have said that, in the future, music may be a giveaway designed to subsidize the sale of concert tickets, collector's items and other merchandise. If that proves to be the case, then these guys may be seen as geniuses. Instead of spending millions in promotional expenses, they got $2.5 million in free money while keeping themselves on the front page.

They also managed to conduct the first real "money where your mouth is" referendum on the value of recorded music in the digital age. 61% of the sample say that recorded music should be given away for nothing.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:10 am:   

Concert tickets and merchandise are already the main money makers for bands (along with TV/movie/game licensing). I see that trend continuing. Eventually CDs will be considered a promotional expense for concerts.

Prince already gave his CD away with a newspaper in England, he viewed it as promotion for his shows.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 06:30 am:   

Saw Dirty Projectors at the Bowery Ballroom. Interesting. They're a math rock outfit who've taken Black Flags lyrics from the album Damaged and set them to new music--a mix of Malian modal structures and harmonies, Captain Beefheart, punk, and so forth. I couldn't find a clip on Youtube representative of what I heard amd this tells me they're a band in creative flux. I think they're gonna be good and important...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2007 - 01:57 pm:   

Saw Alejandro Escovedo again last night. It was an acoustic/strings show focusing more on ballads, but he still got more intense than most acoustic stuff I've heard. Twice came out to sing in the middle of the audience.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2007 - 02:13 pm:   

I like Escovedo. Always good live.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 04:48 pm:   

After breaking the headband repeatedly on my Bose headphones, I finally broke down and bought a replacement.

The Grado SR-60 headphones arrived today and whoa boy! For $70, these sound fantastic! I'm listening to disc one from the Cellar Door sessions and yeah it's almost like I've never heard it before.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 05:42 pm:   

If only you'd cut back on the drinking and stop headbutting people, those headphones would last longer.

:-)
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PM
Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 06:08 pm:   

Drinking, headbutting? Pshaw!

I've been fornicating...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 06:58 pm:   

Those pursuits aren't mutually exclusive. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:01 am:   

Would you believe...new Bauhaus disc on March 4?
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jk
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:58 am:   

I used to like them but I've lost all interest. They're too old to be doing that adolescent goth thing still. If it's anything like their "new" track on the Heavy Metal II soundtrack then it's going to blow.
Well, I guess they have mortgage payments to make.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:54 am:   

Peter Murphy was my idol. I shudder to think how he's aged. Will he look like David Bowie, just before he died in THE HUNGER?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   

I liked Peter Murphy, too...I think he and Nick Cave should have a band. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:40 pm:   

Had a picture of Murph over my bed and starved myself to get that gaunt look until I read he had his back teeth removed to get those sunken cheeks...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:47 pm:   

Well, I didn't go nearly that far, but I have a few albums. :-)
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jk
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 01:23 pm:   

I thought Murphy refused to play certain songs because he converted to Islam. But I saw on Youtube they are still doing Stigmata Martyr.
Murphy is pretty much bald now.
I don't get these 50 or older rockers who still play the same kind of stuff. You'd think they would want to mature musically at some point. Some people age gracefully and still put out good stuff i.e. Tom Waits, Scott Walker, Nick Cave's solo stuff, David Sylvian.
Could you see Nick Cave getting Birthday Party back together and constantly touring the old songs? Or Sylvian getting Japan back together and doing all the old Japan stuff? No, they've moved on.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 01:39 pm:   

Perhaps they're not desperate for money--otherwise I think Murphy could afford new hair. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   

Forgive my cynicism, but I think Bauhaus have discovered their status as "godfathers of goth" given them access to hundreds of thousands of cape-wearing teenage vampires and their debit cards. Guess you can't blame them for not liberating some of that cash.
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jk
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 03:16 pm:   

Yeah, they're stuck with a goth audience forever, whether they like it or not. And they can always count on goths to pay for concert tickets or records. I read an interview where Murphy's wife was saying they could always use the money.
There was an Italian prog rock band from the 70's called Bauhaus, who did a Soft Machine-type
jazz rock. They have an album called Stairway to Escher on Akarma records. Maybe they should cover that Italian Bauhaus record and put that out, just to confuse their goth audience. I bet there are some goths who bought that record already and thought wtf!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 06:26 am:   

The Monkey's Tale


Here's a story. Years ago, I was in a group called the Cathouse Band. It was a damn good band and we had a hell of a time. One of our roadies, this guy named Gordon, was a biker. (Our other roadie was Tom Sherred, the son of science fiction writer, T.L. Sherred, but that's another story). Not a gnarly old biker. He was eighteen or nineteen, and it was his philosophy that fighting was the purest form of physical expression. He put this philosophy to frequent test. During one of earliest gigs, at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor, I was onstage singing when I saw him come into the back of the room and he waved to me. His right hand was gloved in blood. Another time, at the Golden Hatchet Saloon in the old lumber town of Bad Ax, Michigan, he saved our ass by shooting the fender off a car full of guys who wanted to kill us because they thought we had trifled with their womenfolk. Anyway, Gordon was actually kind of a sweet guy, though that may be hard to swallow. He looked upon me as an older brother and came to me for advice on worldly matters. Once he was told he had been given probationary status with the Cleveland chapter of Hell's Angels, something he had long desired. The only trouble was that in order to become a full member you had to kill a cop, and he wasn't altogether sure he was up to it.

"How many members in the Cleveland chapter?" I asked him.

"Seventy, maybe."

"So you think the Cleveland cops have seventy open police homicides on their books?"

He looked at me, his brow furrowed.

"No way they've got that many," I said. "The Angels are screwing with your head."

"Fuck," he said after a while.

One day Gordon came to me excited and told me he'd found a place where he could fight a monkey. It appeared there was a ranch down near Monroe where one could fight a monkey for fifty bucks and shoot a buffalo for, if I remember correctly, two hundred. Gordon had signed up to do the former. He asked if I'd come with him. I said I didn't know if fighting a monkey was such a good idea, but Gordon was determined, so I agreed.

The next afternoon me and a couple of other guys in the band and Gordon drove to Monroe. The ranch proved to be a concrete block structure with a couple of outbuildings in the back and a pasture where some stupefied-looking buffalo were standing around. In one of the outbuildings, which stank of animal waste, was a walled pit floored with sand. Gordon was given a pair of boxing gloves and ushered into the pit. He was in good spirits. A few minutes later, a half-grown chimp was shoved through a door in the pit wall. The chimp sat on its haunches, making "ook-ook" noises, while Gordon circled, his gloves held high. When the chimp did not attack, he said, "This is bullshit," and demanded his money back. The owner, a lean, balding man, told him he had to anger the monkey to make it fight. Gordon adopted a boxer's stance and nudged the chimp with his foot, whereupon the chimp leaped up on Gordon's shoulders and began ripping out tufts of hair from his his head. Gordon fell facedown and the chimp jumped up and down on him, screaming, beating him with its fists, until lured away by the owner.

I didn't see much of Gordon the next couple of days, but his girlfriend told me he was very depressed. Finally he showed up at the practice room. He said he'd been reading about monkeys. He'd learned that they had a massive advantage in a fight with a man, because they were pound for pound much stronger, their muscles more efficient. The thing was, he said, to neutralize that advantage. He had a plan.

Though once again I'd advised against it, two weeks later we drove down to Monroe again. Once again the monkey was shoved in through the pit door. Once again Gordon pulled on the gloves and--putting his plan into action--fitted a football helmet to his head. The chimp made "ook-ook" noises. Gordon, tentatively this time, gave the chimp a little kick. The chimp jumped up onto Gordon's shoulders, ripped off the helmet, and began beating him with it. By the time we managed to drag him from the pit, Gordon was a serious mess.

Thereafter Gordon wouldn't talk about the chimp. But after he left Ann Arbor for Texas, after the band broke up, I spoke to the girlfriend and learned that he had bought the monkey. She said he fed it and cared for it and now and then would go into its room and fight it. He always emerged bloody and bruised. Apparently the monkey went with him to Texas.

Reason I'm telling this story is that Gordon is asleep on my sofa as I write this. It's the first time I've seen him for over twenty years and I finally learned what happened to the chimp. Gordon said it got too much to deal with, so he sold it to bar owner in Laredo. The bar owner let the chimp keep fighting for a while and a sore loser shot it, though not fatally. The chimp now resides with his mate in a glassed-in cage behind the bar, retired from fighting, though occasionally he becomes infuriated with some patron or another, and pounds on the plexiglass. He is well cared for and, for the most part, seems happy.

As for Gordon, his hair is graying, but he's more or less the same, though he now walks with a limp, the result of a serious bike accident. He says he intends to hang around until Wednesday or Thursday. I suspect I'm in for a couple of interesting days.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 06:33 am:   

Great story!

Yeah, those chimps are badass. There is apparently a well-known story about some folks in California who took their chimp to a farm to live. They brought it a birthday cake and pissed off the other chimps who didn't get any. They proceeded to do a sickening array of damage to the guy including ripping his nose and testicles off. Yeesh. Keep those suckers away from me.

Gordon got off easy.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 06:53 am:   

This was an immature specimen. But yeah, they're badass.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 06:54 am:   

Like Dave, I think he got off easy. Everyone thinks of chimps as cute, but they are vicious. I saw something on National Geographic about some chimps killing people (apparently mistreated chimps that escaped from a sanctuary and ran into some unlucky tourists).
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 07:05 am:   

Well, maybe he did get off easy, but as far as I know, the chimp never killed anyone and I assume he fought a number of times. It was pretty much a massacre with Gordon.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 07:52 am:   

The Discovery "Planet Earth" series had some great, creepy footage of two packs of chimps fighting over territory. It ended up with the winners romping through the forest holding the torn-off heads of their enemies.

I'll never see Lancelot Link the same way again.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 08:00 am:   

Lancelot link?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 08:06 am:   

"Lancelot Link: Secret Chimp" was one of those weird 70s shows. It was about a chimp rock star/secret agent. I remember very little of it besides the concept.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 08:46 am:   

Don't know it.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 10:18 am:   

That was a different band, but yeah, I've run into a half-dozen or so in the past. One of my old bass players, whose sister was Laurette Spang, who played Cassiopiea on the original Battlestar Galactica, still lives in Seattle.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 10:41 am:   

There is a short film about the creator of Lancelot Link by Jeff Krulik, creator of HEAVY METAL PARKING LOT.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 11:57 am:   

Last wknd, had a chance to finally hear Petra Haden's all-vocal remake of "The Who Sell Out." I liked it, and I usually hate gimmicks!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   

Don't know who Petra Haden is.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 01:37 pm:   

Charlie Haden the bassist's daughter. She was in That Dog...
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Michele
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 02:39 pm:   

There is a funny thread you folks might enjoy on SDMB, entitled "Nothing Ever Comes to No Good Up On Choctaw Ridge (Mysteries in pop music)" http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=447804

I especially enjoyed the discussion of who and why
"someone left the cake out in the rain
and I don't think that I can take it
'cause it took so long to bake it
and I'll never have that recipe again
Oh, no!"
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Luke Jackson
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 02:53 pm:   

Did Gordon ever become a full-fledged Angel? Has he mellowed with age?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 04:20 pm:   

Cool about Petra--love Charlie.

Thanks, Michelle.

Nope, Luke, Gordon was disillusioned with the angels. Way he tells it, he's hung out with gangs, various chapters of the angels included, but he never got official.
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Luke Jackson
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 09:48 am:   

A wise choice. They dispense young hotties and drugs to some, but are more likely to dispense serious ass-whuppings.
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Michele
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 04:01 pm:   

I just came across this vintage video of Cream, Jack Bruce soaring in "We're Going Wrong". I can't quite explain the visceral response I'm having, but I know of no one in my present life who would recognize and appreciate this for the powerful piece it is, and so I share here. Happy New Year's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNSrT3RAU-I

Does anyone recognize when/where this was recorded?
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Michele
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 05:36 pm:   

Update, in case anyone is interested...
This information was buried in the comments:
"This is certainly a great video. It was filmed for the BBC on Nov. 26, 1967. Ironically, 1 year before the farewell concert and is shown in the film "Fresh Live Cream". This was the only song performed, and as far as I know, this is all that's left of this version."

It's amazing to watch Bruce's beautiful, idealistic boy-face in this, and then watch his strong, but very different 2005 performance at Royal Albert Hall.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 05:37 pm:   

It was filmed for the BBC on Nov. 26, 1967. Ironically, 1 year before the farewell concert and is shown in the film "Fresh Live Cream". ''

Thanks, Michelle. I've always felt that Bruce was the most talented member of Cream. This shows it.

Gotta run.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 05:16 am:   

I wrote up something on my favorite music in 2007

http://www.robertdevereux.com/blog.php?day=20080102

A lot of it is stuff I've mentioned here already. Most of the rest is stuff that is probably too poppy for Lucius or others here, and the metal, with the exception of Baroness and Canvas Solaris, is still fairly rooted in the 80s. The Richard Bishop one may be interesting to some. I like it more than the Sun City Girls stuff that I've heard.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 06:28 am:   

I'll have to check out Bauer and Voice of the 7 Woods, which I know you've talked about before. Canvas Solaris also sounds cool. Thanks Robert...
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:20 am:   

Robert, you called Sir Richard Bishop "Sir Richard Burton"! Just watched "Virginia Woolf" maybe???
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:28 am:   

Dave, I've corrected it. I was reading Catherynne Valente's Night Garden (with stories within stories within stories), so I had Arabian Nights on the mind (even though I wasn't fond of Burton's translation).
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jk
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 12:03 am:   

Got a pretty cool disc by Aluk Todolo called Descension. They were members of some obscure black metal bands, but Aluk Todolo sounds more like This Heat or some Krautrock stuff. Mantra groove bass and drum workouts with weird guitar parts peeled off. Black metal goes This Heat!
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 06:07 am:   

Damn, I've got to check out anything that draws comparisons to This Heat...

I think I'm the last American music fan to see STANDING IN THE SHADOWS OF MOTOWN. I kind of dug it, especially the insights into bassist James Jamerson.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 07:10 am:   

Aluk Todolo's on the list! Sounds great!
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 07:47 am:   

FWIW, they have a pretty cool myspace page with some great tunes to download...
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jk
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 01:17 pm:   

Lucius, have you heard any MASAYUKI TAKAYANAGI? Japanese free jazz guitarist, his stuff is pretty hard to find. He did some tabletop guitar noise stuff, but also lots of crazy free jazz albums with a band behind him. Some of the free jazz is Last Exit-ish. There's been lots of reissues in the last few years of his 60's and 70's albums, but they're all rare and expensive Japanese imports.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 01:40 pm:   

No, I've not heard of him. Thanks for the tip.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 10:37 am:   

Cream's one of my all time favorites. I was listening to the 8CD San Franciscan Nights thing over the last week that floats around live traders, a live look back to artists like Jefferson Airplane, Moby Grape etc, but with the occasion addition of someone else who just happened to burn down the Fillmore West. The Cream track (I forget which one) was incendiary. They just couldn't be beat in 67...

Interesting best of list Robert, I definitely have not been keeping up lately... The Aduk Todolo sounds cool too, another This Heat fan here (great box set no?)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 06:32 am:   

I never picked up the box set because I already had all the previously-released material. What unreleased stuff is in there? Is it worth the price of the box?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 08:53 am:   

I don't think there is any unreleased stuff in the box, and I think they rereleased everything separately anyway. The booklet's pretty amazing though, thick, with a long interview - maybe more than you'd want to know. FWIW, there are definitely some quality issues with some of the live material so if you just have the s/t, Deceit, and Made Available most of the rest wouldn't be worth making an effort for. I've got a few live shows by This Heat I haven't heard yet and I'm not holding out much hope for them given the poor quality of what's been released. Probably better to go for Camberwell Now or Hayward's solo stuff...
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jk
Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 10:41 am:   

I think there was another low-quality live bonus disc that came with initial copies of the box. I never bothered with the live disc that was released from the box, since the quality was supposed to be pretty bad, like you said.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 11:07 am:   

The Ghost Trade and Greenfingers by the Camberwell Now are both pretty amazing.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 11:31 am:   

To be sure, I asked Steve F at Wayside about the seventh disc, but there wasn't one. I do think there was something like that with one of the other ReR box sets though - maybe the Art Bears?

Agreed on Camberwell Now, Hawyward's pretty much a genius in my book.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 01:26 pm:   

One of the highlights of my concertgoing life was seeing him with Frith and Lasswell at the Knitting Factory...
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jk
Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 09:25 pm:   

I found the listing below at RER's U.K. website. I think the same mini-cd also came with initial copies of the regular box set, but it was extremely limited. I think it's live material too. I've seen the non-Japanese limited box on ebay sometimes too.

A HANDFUL OF THE HIGHLY LIMITED THIS HEAT: Japanese Box Version

A strong double box with each CD packaged in a perfect cardboard facsimile of the original LP, plus the box booklet (in English) and the unreleased mini 'Nivelles' extra 8cm CD - at the eye-watering price of 100. Since the CDs are the same pressings as the UK edition, this set is for collectors only.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 05:47 am:   

200 bucks! Yow. I'll pass.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 08:13 am:   

The regular box is $65, so that's some expensive cardboard. I've got someone else I can ask if that extra disc was in the US set, but it does look likely.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 08:28 am:   

65 is more in the ball park. I might do 'er.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 09:04 am:   

Y'know, you expect the Cure and Depeche Mode to rip off their fans, but not good bands like TH. There ought to be a law.
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jk
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 10:23 am:   

Yeah, Japanese box sets are way too much. I wasn't too happy when RER was advertising its Art Bears box either. They include extra discs of remixes, of dubious value, that you can only get in the box. And they state that they didn't know what they were doing when they released the discs before, and that the new ones sound much superior. Oh, so they didn't know what they were doing as far as mastering discs back then, but they were happy to put them out and sell them. RER is run by Chris Cutler from Henry Cow, who is a socialist, but his business practices seem completely capitalist sometimes.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 11:41 am:   

I just talked to Dave Kerman at ReR USA. JK's absolutely right, it was in the US set. There may be some Nivelles extras, which I'm checking into, for those interested.

Unfortunately I got the box set price wrong. It's $80 from Wayside and $85 from ReR USA. I assume you'd be getting the bonus from ReR.

Lucius, if you don't know This Heat I'd recommend grabbing Deceit first rather than going the whole hog. I really like that, the first album and Made Available, but wouldn't lose any sleep without the rest. I may even have extra singles of these two and will check on em when I'm home.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 11:47 am:   

No, I know 'em. I have the first couple of albums. Maybe I should be satisfied?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 12:14 pm:   

You might want to check out Made Available at some point, but other than that this is one of the few box sets where the window dressing is really the draw (the booklet's really thorough). In retrospect if I'd known some of the other discs were low quality (Live 80/81) or tedious (Repeat), it would have probably fallen way down my list.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 12:19 pm:   

Cool. Gracias/
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   

Funny, I like Repeat...
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jk
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 06:18 pm:   

Health and Efficiency is a great single too, which is included as a separate disc with a long Repeat-type track. I like Repeat too, but it's long drones, no songs with lyrics
Supposedly there's still lots of unreleased stuff which they didn't put on the box for some reason, but which has shown up on bootlegs like Tago Mago, which I've seen on ebay sometimes.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 07:59 am:   

Tago Mago was a small cassette label run by Pascal Bussy in the late 70s and early 80s that released rare recordings by people like Albert Marcouer (who shared the This Heat cassette) and Lol Coxhill. So boot quality maybe. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 10:58 am:   

Didn't they do one with Lol Coxhill and Eyeless in Gaza? I think I have it on disc...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 12:25 pm:   

Yep. I think the Eyeless in Gaza came out on CD, expanded.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 01:12 pm:   

eBay has a Japanese This Heat dbl CD that combines the "official" live bootleg with a disc of "final demos." Interesting.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 10:23 pm:   

Speaking of This Heat, I just remembered Charles Bullen had a cd called Circadian Rhythms that came out on Crammed Discs. Supposed to be more electronic sounding, but there's real instruments on it too, flute, guitar, etc.
Not to be confused with the Christian band Circadian Rhythm!
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 05:57 am:   

Crammed Discs is one of those labels that will automatically end up in my shopping cart, regardless of who the artist is.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 08:00 am:   

Was it Crammed who was supposed to put out the third Aksak Maboul album?
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 11:56 am:   

You want a music rec...:-) Six Organs of Admittance and their great guitar player Ben Chasny. Also Chasny's other band Comets on Fire, which has been described as the band Hawkwind aspired to be.

I'm going to see Six Organs this weekend.
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 12:31 pm:   

Can't say I've heard either of those, but I'm always open to new and exciting experiences. :-)
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 12:33 pm:   

P.S.: who stole the rest of those smilies?
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 03:43 pm:   

I don't know...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YKJKT-hRq0

here's a clip from Organs....
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:00 pm:   

Got the new Aluk Todolo disc Descension the other day. Pretty good 0n first listen, but I want to give it a couple more spins...
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 09:25 pm:   

I think Six Organs of Admittance are pretty great too. Haven't picked up the new album yet. I like Dust and Chimes, Dark Noontide, and School of the Flower alot though.
Speaking of Hawkwind, Michael Moorcock's solo album featuring members of Hawkwind just got reissued. Heh.
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 09:37 pm:   

Dark Noontide and School of Flowers are great. Haven't heard D&C.
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 10:42 pm:   

Dust and Chimes was the one before Dark Noontide. Some great songs, similar to the ones on Dark Noontide with lyrics.
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Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 10:46 pm:   

I just heard the greatest Song EVER! Well, I heard it a couple weeks back. Its off the new album by The Mountain Goats. I'd never heard of them before, but apparently they are kind of a long running indy rock cult hit.

Their new album (Heretic Pride) has a song called "Lovecraft In Brooklyn" It is filled with awesomeness! Actually, the whole album is filled with witty, introspective pop-literary infused songs, like "Sax Rohmer, or "In the Craters on the Moon," or "Michael Myers Resplendent."
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Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 03:59 am:   

Checked out that Organs of Admittance link, Lucius. Yeah, pretty good. Liked it even better the second time around.

The song title and the video immediately made me think post-apocalypse, but that might have something to do with the fact I've been reading a book of post-apocalypse stories (Wastelands; the folks who host this message board just published it).
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Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 09:21 am:   

I've got to get me a copy of Wastelands.

Jeremy, I haven't listened to the goats for years, but this sounds cool.

Thanks, JK. Will pick it up soon.
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Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 11:32 am:   

I have gone on a bit of a shopping spree to fill out my Rothko and Massacre collections. That (along with Pavlik-Taylor II) is what I have on tap for this wknd! Wheeee!
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Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 06:23 am:   

Skipping Pavlik-Taylor. Buying the UFC fight instead. I didn't think Pavlik-Taylor was all that good a fight, frankly. If this is good, I'll watch the rebiroadcast...
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Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 10:16 am:   

Found a new "post-black metal" band, Alcest. I guess since they started as black metal, they'll never escape the label. The new album is pretty good shoegaze stuff. Several hipster sites ranked it as one of the best metal albums of 2007, but I wouldn't rank it as metal.
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Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 02:55 pm:   

Sounds good. Will check out some mpegs.
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Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 02:59 pm:   

Will seek out mpegs.
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Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 11:40 am:   

Speaking of Black Metal, I picked up a bm zine just for laughs, called Oaken Throne. Boy, these guys are really morons. Here's a choice quote regarding fans at concerts, "Don't be surprised if people start getting killed soon. We are very fed up with this situation here and those people who dare to come near us and come to concerts...There will be explosions, and other actions planned." LOFL! And this guy was interviewed in jail! For selling drugs.
It's like they all know they have to talk about anger, hatred, depravity, disgust and darkness and they all try to outdo each other with their "shocking" statements. Really hilarious. It's like Spinal Tap times ten.
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Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 04:41 pm:   

heh. That's hilarious.

I gotta say, though, I like some of their music...though probably not by the ones quoted...
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Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 08:24 pm:   

I've been listening to Gogol Bordello lately. I think they're New York-based, but the lead singer is an ex-Ukrainian dude. They sound like what would happen if the Leningrad Cowboys went more punk/ska. Their newest CD, "Super Taranta!" is excellent, but I also hear good things about, "Gypsy Punks Underdog World Strike". Here's a link to a new song "Wonderlust King"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jv3b0VKec8&feature=related
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 02:58 am:   

I'll often deliberately mishear lyrics that are perfectly decipherable, just because they're so bad. :-)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 05:05 am:   

I preferred how Michael Stipe sang before he started pronouncing his words.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 07:58 am:   

check this out...

http://community.livejournal.com/theinferior4/298391.html?view=2195095#t2195095
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 07:59 am:   

The lyrics are pretentious nonsense, but it's still fun to listen to on occasion.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 08:03 am:   

I'm with you, Rich. REM was much better when I didn't know what his Stipeness was saying...
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 11:34 am:   

Nice to see the board back! I just ordered a few of the new MPS reissues that came out this week. I grabbed Association PC with Jeremy Steig - Mamam Kuku (great electric jazz with flute), George Duke - Faces in Reflection, and Charlie Mariano - Helen 12 Trees, all fantastic records. They also released Don Sugar Cane Harris - Sugar Cane's Got the Blues, Wolfgang Dauner - Free Action, and Dave Pike Set - Live at the Philharmonic. So it looks like SPV's doing some great work here.

I'm wiped out on Mars Volta, gonna pass on the new one.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 11:53 am:   

I skipped the new Mars Volta too. I listened and thought it was indistinguishable from the last one. One CD by them seems to be enough.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 05:31 pm:   

I still have my old Jeremy Steig and the Satyrs LP
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 09:22 pm:   

There was an MPS reissue of Joachim Kuhn's Hip Elegy album a few years ago. It's pretty good. He's on the Association Pc album too, which I want to check out. Now if only someone would reissue his Mad Rockers album with his brother Rolf on it.
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Lucius
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Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 10:33 pm:   

Kuhn is on Association Pc? Cool.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 12:15 am:   

Yeah. That Don Sugar Cane Harris looks like it has a cool lineup too. Robert Wyatt on drums, and Terje Rypdal on guitar on one of the "four very long tracks."
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 08:02 am:   

Hip Elegy was in that first batch with Volker Kriegel - Spectrum. SPV seem to at least have the clout to keep this series alive - I hope.

Mad Rockers is indeed great. Another later collab by them is in the pipelines. Pork Pie, an Alphonse Mouzon solo, a Ponty album and others are all in the next two batches.

Those Association PC records are pretty much all amazing, although I think Erna Morena is the one I anticipate most.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 08:02 am:   

That sounds very cool. I love Harris. What was that Mayall album where he did a long solo piece? Anyone know?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 08:04 am:   

Anyone watching Idol...
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 09:08 am:   

Was it USA Union?

Speaking of Mayall people, looks like Esoteric is going to hit those early Keef Hartley albums pretty soon. Halfbreed and Northwest Six are pretty fantastic.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 03:25 pm:   

Yeah, Mike...USA Union. I liked that one. Keef Hartley, too.

Well, when I say watch I mean have it on in the background. I'm stilll with it. Unsurprised about the plants. Probably has happened before.

What is Smash Lab?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 03:37 pm:   

Smash Lab is a new show on Discovery. It's nominally about testing new ways to make things safter, but really it's an excuse to blow things up or crash cars into things. It's definitely drawing from MythBusters.

I wonder how many other plants have been in Idol.
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Lucius
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 05:48 pm:   

Sounds fun.

I think there've been several for the last few seasons, but they don't seem to win...
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Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 06:29 pm:   

Baroness doesn't seem to be taking many breaks, they're on yet another US tour now. Another Pittsburgh show at a slightly better venue on March 28, and a show in Portland OR on April 16.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:08 am:   

April 16...I am there.
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Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:30 am:   

I've been checking out an online radio show by The Sound Projector guy Ed Pinsent, which is pretty cool. The Sound Projector is a great U.K. magazine, covering the same kind of stuff The Wire covers. Anyway, he has a show on Resonancefm which he puts up on his website every week, which stays up for a few weeks.
He did a show on the British drummer John Stevens recently, and played some really great jazz rock, and more experimental jazz. There was a show on 70's Italian prog recently. And a show on German new wave experimental from the early 80s. There's been black metal and all kinds of other stuff. It's pretty interesting. Here's the website:
http://www.thesoundprojector.com/category/playlists
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 07:16 am:   

Jeff Healey died on Sunday
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/03/obit.healey.ap/index.html?iref=newss earch

I didn't get into his music, I always remember him from Roadhouse.
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 01:07 pm:   

I'm down with the flu guys,,,,reason for silence,,,
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Jwk
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 09:31 pm:   

I think I'm coming down with it too...ugh.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 07:49 am:   

RIP Jeff Healey. "Play somethin', Elvis!!!"
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Jwk
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Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 03:30 pm:   

Picked up some cool stuff on the Archive label. Small pressings of psych, drone and some noisier stuff.
LSD Pond-a collaboration between psych rockers Bardo Pond and Japanese band LSD March. Pretty cool improv psychedelic rock. Anyone into Sun City Girls would probably like it.
Religious Knives-Live At Bigjar-offshoot band of Double Leopards. Droning psych rock which isn't like their "noise" stuff at all, description stated it sounds almost like a Doors demo, not really into the Doors myself, but it does kind of sound oddly like that, but in a good way. Religious Knives also have a cool disc on No Fun that is a weird tribal ambient noise type thing, if that makes any sense. Pretty unique sounding anyway.
Also got the new Nadja live disc, droning rock kind of similar to Sunn O))) in parts. I like their stuff, but the guitarist Aidan Baker puts out a new disc seemingly every month, too hard to keep up.
Anyway, he has samples up of the Archive stuff at the website www.archivecd.com and also has some distributed titles of similar stuff.
Most of the Archive label releases are small pressings of about 600 or so copies. He's put out stuff by Sunn O))), Khanate, Keiji Haino and lots of other cool stuff.
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Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 05:19 pm:   

Thanks JK. I loved SCG so I'll definitely check out the Bardo-LSD stuff for starters...
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 06:48 am:   

Great record I just picked up: Infinite Delay by Graboids from Charlottesville, VA. Any fan of Jackie O Motherf***er-style post-rock will dig it in a very very serious way.

As an old Afghan Whigs fan, I was really happy about Saturnalia by The Gutter Twins (Greg Dulli and Mark Lanegan). It was the great career-ending Whigs album the Whigs should have made. Lanegan's duet with Isobell Campbell, Ballad of the Broken Seas, is not quite as good, but fascinating in an updated-Hazelwood-Sinatra kind of way.
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Lucius
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 07:56 am:   

Wow, Lanegan and Dulli, the two great assholes of rock. I don't know how they could work together. Dulli must have been scared shitless of Lanegan...
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 08:46 am:   

Well, the history of art has, more often than not, been written by assholes...
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:18 am:   

I wasn't knocking the record, just marveling that they got it made,
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 10:27 am:   

Actually, the record I like is Lanegan's disc with Soulsavers....
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Dave_g
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 11:52 am:   

Haven't heard it. Is it as good as THE WINDING SHEET or WHISKEY FOR THE HOLY GHOST?
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 01:20 pm:   

It's like Mark Lanegan vocals with music by Spiritualized. I'm serious. I liked the Winding Sheet and Whiskey...they're my favorites. But of his later work, this gets my vote.
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:16 pm:   

There used to be a fanzine called Fat Greg Dulli, wonder if it's still around. Heh. I saw the Gutter Twins on Letterman the other night, didn't sound too bad actually.
Lucius, have you heard the new Bauhaus? Anyone else hear it? I listened to some samples on Amazon, from what I've heard it sounds pretty pathetic.
Apparently they've already broken up again too. There was an "incident" during the recording of the album. I'm sure the "incident" had something to do with Peter Murphy's colossal ego. Heheh.
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:39 pm:   

Nah, someone whose taste I trust told me it sucked. Yeah, Murphy's ego...what a shocker!
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:50 pm:   

He's in his fifties now, you'd think he'd grow up. Well, I guess that's alot to ask of someone who hangs upside down like a bat to sing Bela Lugosi's Dead.
The band got so fed up with him before the last break-up that they ran up behind him and pushed him off stage once.
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Lucius
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Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 05:55 am:   

Is it on youtube? That would be fun to see. I liked Murphy, but you could tell he was a dick.
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Jwk
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Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 10:18 am:   

No, I don't think there's any footage of it, it was from their first break-up around 1983.
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Lucius
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Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 12:40 pm:   

Oh, OK...Too bad.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 06:16 am:   

The bits of the Bauhaus disc I heard didn't sound too bad, comparatively. To me, they were always a singles band anyway.

Sent off for the Soul Savers disc. Spiritualized, huh? One of my all-time favorites, and one of the great near-misses in pop history. Just couldn't sustain their high points.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 06:54 am:   

Listened to the Gutter Twins. I never got into Afghan Wigs or Screaming Trees, but GT wasn't bad.

The only new thing I've picked up recently is Protest the Hero. They're a Canadian progressive metal band. They have high pitched wailing, but it sounds better than many similar singers, and he also screams and growls. It reminds me of what I like about prog metal (aggressive, good playing, lots of changes) without sounding like 80s metal. They remind me a bit of Psychotic Waltz.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 07:44 am:   

I didn't particularly care for the Whigs, but the trees were a local band and I saw them live A LOT. They were outstanding live. Lanegan and the guitarist were, in my opinion, two of the best things about grunge.

Hope you dig Lanegan with Soulsavers, Dave...
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 08:51 am:   

Did you see that Converse is putting out an official Kurt Cobain Chuck Taylor sneaker? Courtney must have to pay for some lip plumping...
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Lucius
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 09:50 am:   

A Kurt Cobain sneaker? Pre-ripped amd holed? Christ.
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Robdev
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Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 07:35 am:   

Saw Baroness for the 3rd time last night. The venue was different from the last 2 times. It's still a space with bad acoustics, but a slightly bigger space in a slightly better location.

I don't remember the names of the three openers, I just remember being annoyed that there were three when the flyers only mentioned two. The first started fairly good with jazzy instrumental rock. But during the set, they slowly morphed into a boring post-rock band. The second act was drone metal, they only played two songs. The third was sludge, not bad but not really interesting.

Baroness played mostly the same set as the last time, a few tracks from Red Album, bits from First and Second. They had one new instrumental this time. They played for about 45-50 minutes without interruption.
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Lucius
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Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 11:31 am:   

Cool. I'm on for the 16th....
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Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 11:33 am:   

Cool. I'm on for the 16th....
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Jwk
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Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 12:04 am:   

R.I.P. Klaus Dinger from Neu!
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Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:39 am:   

R.I.P. Seconded. Neu! and Can etc were the first bands to start broadening my musical tastes.

BTW, Jwk, I notice earlier in the post you've talked about Archive records, Religious Knives and Keiji Haino (one of my fav artists). Sorry if you're already familiar, but www.volcanictongue.co.uk is a good source of all that kind of stuff including many limited CDrs/tapes/vinyl etc.
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Jwk
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Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:49 am:   

Thanks, yeah I've heard of Volcanic Tongue. Run by Dave Keenan who writes for The Wire.
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Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:55 am:   

Indeedy. He's certainly an enthusiastic sort of chap too, which is all you can ask.

And it's his fault I like Japanese free jazz....
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Robdev
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Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 06:41 am:   

I seem to be the odd man out when it comes to the latest Nick Cave disc. I keep reading glowing reviews of it, but I just don't find myself interest in Cave doing Doors styled 60s rock. I respect that he's doing something different from what he's done before, but I'm just not enjoying it. I guess I want Cave to either kick my ass or be completely mournful. Most of his stuff does one or the other, but Dig Lazarus Dig doesn't.

Anyone else heard it yet?
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 07:50 am:   

No not me. I'm sort of Caved-out at the moment.
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Robdev
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 08:42 am:   

I've been enjoying Murder by Death lately. They play Southwestern country rock, the singer does a decent Johnny Cash impression.

Cult of Luna is coming out with a new album this year. They're kind of like a more ominous sounding Isis. Press info follows one of the standard lines about the new album, it will be "much heavier and darker affair than previous albums." All metal bands say their new one is the heaviest and darkest CD that they put out.
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Jwk
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 09:14 pm:   

You pick up this Sir Richard Bishop-God Damn Religion release yet Lucius?

"Official DVD release of Sir Richard Bishop's cracked movie God Damn Religion. First edition comes with a bonus audio CD of the quasi soundtrack Elektronika Demonika, originally issued by Locust as a vinyl-only escapade in 2006. 'For centuries, man has used organized religion to control the hearts and minds (not to mention the pocketbooks) of the ignorant masses. Well, Richard Bishop has decided he would like a piece of the action. This film is a diabolical experiment in hypnotic mind control -- a phantasmagoric presentation of demonic and divine imagery, meticulously assembled and designed to put the viewer into an altered state of darkened awareness. Includes original music from Elektronika Demonika, as well as unreleased material. If you ever wanted to go to hell and back, this film will get you halfway there. Some viewers may find the imagery used in this film to be disturbing, but that's the idea. Contains some strong sexual content (as all true religion should). Not for the weak-minded, faint of heart, or those suffering from occasional seizures.'"
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 10:23 pm:   

No. Where'd you find it?
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 10:32 pm:   

Forced Exposure has it. It's on the Locust label. I got mine direct from locustmusic.com
A little cheaper. Haven't received it yet. Locust put out a limited edition lp Elektronika Demonika, Bishop's electronic music lp, which I'm interested to hear, and which is included as a cd with initial copies of the dvd.
The "movie" is probably a bunch of freaky collage cuts of Kali temples and stuff taken during Bishop's travels.
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 07:49 am:   

Thanks. man. I'm on it....
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 02:41 am:   

Even though Rick Rubin is producing his latest CDs, I know that in some circles -- pause for a moment, to let pins drop and frogs creak around this here forum -- the name Neil Diamond will alwyas be (to quote Sonny Crockett from godknowswhat episode of Miami Vice), "major uncool." But I've always dug his songs, and his unparalleled ability to craft a good pop song (not as easy as most critics and a not a few musicians would have us think). And I think that the song, "Another Day (That Time Forgot)" from his new album is one of the best lost-love pop songs I've heard in a long time. I wish more of today's songwriters paid as much attention to words as Diamond does (and didn't all sing like a bunch of whiny adolescents -- or worse, "rap" and call it singing). Bentmont Tench ties a bow around the whole thing with some beautiful piano work.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 09:01 am:   

Major disconnect, man. :-)

When I think of singer-songwriters I think of Dylan and Van Morrison and the Buckleys etc. Not Diamond.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 04:43 pm:   

Hey Lucius. Yeah, most of the folks I've known -- working in music stores, etc. -- have looked at me sideways when I profess a love for the best of Diamond's work ("Cracklin' Rosie," "Stones," "Done Too Soon," "Beautiful Noise," "Another Day," etc). So it's nice to see folks like Rick Rubin and Matt Sweeney, etc., admitting that they admire Diamon'ds work.

As for singer-songwriters: Dylan and Van Morrison -- especially Van Morrison -- for sure, not to mention Jackson Browne. Joni Mitchell. Neil Young. And one of my all-time favorites, Warren Zevon! Or someone like Lucinda Williams (whose beef jerky-like twang usually turns people off). And, one of your favorites -- you may insert a laugh here -- Bruce Springsteen.

But to my mind, comparing Diamond's purposely simple, pop-oriented (usually hook-centered) songs -- which almost always focus on purely emotional matter, and almost always are directed inwardly in songwriting terms -- to guys like Van Morrison (who bought his way into Valhalla with the "Moondance" album) or Bob Dylan or Warren Zevon, would be like trying to compare a bannana with a peach, a plum and a mango. They're all fruit, but they all taste different and invoke different reactions from the tastebuds -- but they all taste good to me, depending on what I'm in the mood for.

(You may now pillory me for comparing Dylan to a plum). ;)

Until next time, whip out your copy of "Saving Silverman" -- and your spangled shirt -- pull the guitar out of the closet and start practicing your "Cherry, Cherry" riffs. :D
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 05:32 pm:   

oh yeah! Elvis Costello (my other favorite Elvis): don't always think of him when I think of singer-songwriters, but "Watching the Detectives," "Oliver's Army," etc., made him one of my faves way back when.

And yeah, I could've used the old apples & oranges phrase above, but I'm an artist and reserve the right to be pretentious.

Speaking of which: is it me, or doe FAR too many people use the term artist these days? There are a lot of writers, a lot of singers, a lot of painters and illustrators and a lot of sculptors (and a shitloade of filmmakers) in the world, but very few of them can lay claim to being an artist (and even then, those few can only label _some_ of their work true Art, with a capital "a"). Everyone else is just an entertainer (don't get me wrong, some of my best friends...)

-end of low key rant - :D
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 08:51 pm:   

Diamond wrote some absolutely terrible songs, as for instance, I am I said...which is my nominee for worst song of the 70s, they counteract his virtues for me. I like one Springsteen album. Nebraska. The first time I heard Born to Run, I thought it was a parody.

For me Astral Weeks will always be THE Morrison album, followed by Poetic Champions Compose.

Last word on Diamond. He's just to straight for me, man. My tastes run to the extremes of roack, not the mainstream.
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Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 03:45 am:   

Lucius: No sweat about converstations regarding the, uh, "ND" guy. As for Van Morrison, I own most of his albums, early stuff and later stuff. He's got one of the greatests voices I've ever heard (IMHO), and I might even buy a CD full of commercial jingles if Van the Man was singing them (Van Morrison sings "In the Valley of the Jolly Green Giant, and other commercial favorites" -- the mind reels).

As for the likes and dislikes of most the folks posting here, yeah, I could tell they are mostly extremes. I'm a bit broader in my tastes. So it goes, as long as we enjoy our music. In the immortal words of Bill & Ted: Rock on, dude.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 08:24 am:   

On the subject of streaming cover songs, Shearwater has a cover of Talk Talk's THE RAINBOW.
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/forkcast/50676-shearwater-the-rainbow-talk-ta lk-cover-stream

It's pretty faithful, although it gets more intense at the end.


One of my favorite covers is Jose Gonzalez doing Massive Attack's TEARDROP on acoustic guitar.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 09:23 am:   

Another good cover of Teardrop is by a band called "Elbow." Their song Powder Blue is pretty good too.

I've got to do a search for Jose Gonzalez now. I've heard his other stuff, but not Teardrop. Thanks, Robdev!
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 09:31 am:   

Never heard that Elbow version, I'll need to check it out. I like their stuff, although the second album didn't do much for me. I haven't gotten around to their new one yet.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 09:40 am:   

Found the Jose Gonzalez cover on YouTube. Effing awesome!

There was also a cover of his version of Love Will Tear Us Apart. Holy shit! I still like Suzanna and the Magical Orchestra's version a leetle bit better, but not by much. I know it's sacrilege, I'm sure, but there are many versions of that song that blow the doors off Joy Division's original.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 09:45 am:   

It's too bad that Gonzalez's own songs aren't as good as his covers.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 09:51 am:   

Yeah, I agree. I usually just gloss over his originals.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 11:38 am:   

I'm digging the new Portishead. Not all the song, but there are four or five I like.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 02:08 pm:   

Yeah, I heard the Yat-Kha. Interesting's a good term for it. A little throat-singing goes a long way with me.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 08:38 pm:   

Yeah, it's not something I want to listen to often, but hearing a track or two can be fun...especially playing it for other people.


I often find radically different covers are more effective. Ulver transforms Black Sabbath's SOLITUDE into something that sounds like David Sylvian.

Going the opposite direction, Nevermore turns THE SOUND OF SILENCE into thrash.
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 09:01 pm:   

Speaking of covers:

Tribute albums are generally a mixed bag, but I can think of a few that may have escaped general notice and are pretty incredible track by track. The uniquely eccentric tribute to Jimi Hendrix, If Six Was Nine, sagely didn't focus on the guitar but recreated Hendrix for the Nineties. If not every track is to your taste, you certainly find them all interesting. Here's the track list:


1. May This Be Love - Thin White Rope
2. Wind Cries Mary - Scott Mathews, Chuck Prophet
3. Fire - Trick Bag
4. Third Stone from the Sun - David Dreams
5. Spanish Castle Magic - Monks of Doom
6. I Don't Live Today - Corn Dollies
7. Can You See Me - Thee Hypnotics
8. Who Knows? - The Bevis Frond
9. Purple Haze - The Shamen, The Shamen
10. Spanish Castle Magic - Stretch Heads
11. Foxey Lady - Giant Sand
12. You Got Me Floatin' - Styler & Baldwin
13. If 6 Was 9 - Obsequious Cheesecake
14. Voodoo Child (Slight Return) - The Membranes
15. Ain't No Tellin' - Five Hundred and One Spanish Verbs
16. Are You Experienced? - The Mock Turtles

Doc Pomus was one of the great popular songwriters of the 50s and 60s, and there's not a bad track on this album. It gets my vote as the most perfect tribute album of all time. I love John Hiatt's Mess of Blues is amazing, but the revelation here is Shawn Colvin's sultry treatment of Viv Las Vegas, which reveals as Elvis's version did not, what a great song it is.

1. Lonely Avenue - Los Lobos
2. Boogie Woogie Country Girl - Bob Dylan
3. Viva Las Vegas - Shawn Colvin
4. A Mess Of Blues - John Hiatt
5. This Magic Moment - Lou Reed
6. Blinded By Love - B.B. King
7. Young Blood - The Band
8. There Must Be A Better World Somewhere - Irma Thomas
9. Turn Me Loose - Dion
10. I Count The Tears - Roseanne Cas
11. I'm On A Roll - Dr. John
12. Still In Love - Solomon Burke
13. Sweets For My Sweet - Brian Wilson
14. Save The Last Dance For Me - Aaron Neville

More widely known is the Roky Ericson tribute, When the Pyramid Meets the Eye, featuring a great version of Two-headed Dog by the San Franciscan band, Sister Double Happiness. Another amazing tribute album is the Otis Blackwell Tribute. Blackwell was Elvis's chief Songwriter, as can be seen by the play list, and wrote some legendaty songs, inlcuding "Great Balls Of Fire." The Jon Spencer version of "All Shook Up" and the great Willie Deviille's "Daddy Rolling Stone are my favorites, running just ahead of the Paul Rodgers cut.

1. Paralyzed Graham Parker 2:50
2. Hey Little Boy (Little Girl) Chrissie Hynde & Chris Spedding
3. Home In Your Heart Paul Rodgers 2:51
4. Breathless Frank Black & The Stax Pistols 2:47
5. Let's Talk About Us The Smithereens 3:20
6. Fever Tom Verlaine 3:30
7. On That Power Line Joe Louis Walker 4:17
8. Don't Be Cruel Deborah Harry 2:09
9. All Shook Up Jon Spencer 1:59
10. Handyman Frank Black 2:39
11. Great Balls Of Fire Joe Ely & Sue Foley 1:59
12. Brace Yourself Ronnie Spector 2:36
13. Daddy Rolling Stone Willie Deville 3:16
14. Return To Sender Dave Edmunds
15. All Shook Up Kris Kristofferson

So, got any suggestiions? What's your favorite tribute album?
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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 09:41 pm:   

There's a tribute to the band Wire, called Whore, that is pretty good. Versions of Wire tracks by Godflesh, Bark Psychosis, Chris Connelly, Band of Susans, My Bloody Valentine, Laika, Lee Ranaldo, Lush, Scanner, and some others. It's one of the better tribute albums I've heard.
There was a Skip Spence tribute album that wasn't too bad. It had Tom Waits, Robyn Hitchcock, Robert Plant and others.
I heard a track from an Albert Ayler tribute that came out on Cuneiform records a year or so ago, sounded pretty cool. I need to pick it up. Henry Kaiser on guitar, Joe Morris, Weasel Walter on drums.
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Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 12:20 am:   

I heard Whore. Right, it is good. Better than the bulk of Wire, imo. They could be kind of boring. I heard about the other two but never listened. Maybe I should check out the Ayler, anyway. He was my favorite horn player...although I couldn't take his brother Don on trumpet--he always sounded like he'd been listening to bugle riffs too much.

I want everyone to hear that Doc Pomus album. Even the artists I hadin't like, Like Sahn Colvin, were great...
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Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 12:57 am:   

Yeah, I'll check the Pomus tribute out. The Roky Ericson tribute is good too, I used to have that.
The Hendrix tribute looks interesting. I've heard the Thin White Rope song on one of their own albums, it's a great version. Monks of Doom used to be in Camper Van Beethoven.
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Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 05:52 am:   

The Hendrix Tribute is truly odd. now what one would expect. I liked Monks Of Doom much better than CVB
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Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 06:10 pm:   

new Thread...
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Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 06:51 pm:   

Hey Lucius, I'm gonna have to hunt down those tribute albums solely on the merits of their contents. I've enjoyed some good tribute albums in the past, but one of my (semi-quirky) favorites is THE LAST TEMPTATION OF ELVIS:

Viva Las Vegas -Bruce Springsteen
Teddy Bear -- Sydney Youngblood
Loving You -- Tanita Tikaram(she actually resembles him)
Let's Have a Party -- Robert Plant
Got a lot o' Livin To Do -- The Pogues
Love Me Tender -- Holly Johnson
It's Now or Never -- Paul McCartney
Mean Woman Blues -- Dion Dimucci
Guitar Man -- The Jesus and Mary Chain
King Creole --Cath Caroll & Steve Albini
Young and Beautiful -- Aaron Neville
No Room To Rhumba In a Sports Car --Vivian Stanshall & the Big Boys
Baby I Don't Care -- The Primitives
Can't Help Falling In Love - Hall & Oates
Crawfish -- The Reggae Philharmonic Orchestra
Return to Sender -- Ian McCulloch
Trouble -- Fuzzbox
Thanks to the Rolling Sea - The Hollow Men
Follow That Dream -- THe Blow Monkeys
Blue Suede Shoes -- Lemmy & the Upsetters, with Mick Green
Wooden Heart-- Nancy Griffith & the Blue Moon Orchestra
Down in the Alley -- Jeff Healey Band
Jailhouse Rock -- The Cramps
Marguerita -- Les Negresses Vertes
Rock-a-Hula-Baby -- Pop Will Eat Itself
King of the Whole Wide World -- Elvis the Pelvis

Other than that, a favorite compilation is what I refer to as my Dream Tribute album, which I happily sing for unsuspecting passengers while on roadtrips: Rock and Roll Greats Do the Best of Walt Disney

I do some pretty damn good imitations of the following:
Hi-ho, Hi-ho(It's off to Work We go) -- Elvis
Bare Necessities -- Jim Morrisson
Spoon Full of Sugar - Bob Dylan
Etc.

All usually sung to the tune of well-known songs of course (the Elvis cover is done "Blue Christmas" style; Morrison's cover is sung to the tune of "Riders On the Storm" -- but the Dylan cover is true to it's roots).

Ya ever get to OZ, I'll regale you with a performance, Lucius (make sure to bring something to smoke).

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