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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 08:22 pm:   

Yay, Borneo....

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2007/2007-03-15-02.asp
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:08 pm:   

Big cat lovers rejoice!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:15 pm:   

Let's not go all cat lover. That's just a very cool animal from my favorite Borneo, and not some innocent little kitty. I mean, vermin that coughs up hairballs...
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:20 pm:   

Oh the lengths that your denial takes you :-)

Perhaps a clouded leopard will visit your fiction one day...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:38 pm:   

I'd like to meet a self-loathing cat so we could have something in common.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:49 pm:   

and find happiness through a shared bond of self-loathing.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:50 pm:   

for a moment there i thought this post was about cats...
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:58 pm:   

I believe that Lucius seeks to alienate the clouded leopard from the house cat, to declaw the classification as it were.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 10:11 pm:   

THat's not a cat, that's a beast..
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 10:17 pm:   

Ok. But if it's a beast then obviously it's not a beast from the heartland :-)

So I should have went, "AHHRRR!" instead of "AHHH!" when I saw it.

I was googling around for more pictures.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 06:11 am:   

Seeing stuff like this makes me wonder how new species are defined. How much genetic difference is required to make a new species? It can't be a large difference, considering how close humans are to chimpanzees and bonobos.

Would the different species of clouded leopards be able to reproduce? Would the offspring be freakish like ligers? If the offspring are normal, does that mean our definition of species is too narrow?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 06:40 am:   

I don't know the answers, but that clouded leopard is already pretty freakish. :-) And yeah, our definitions are likely all wrong -- most definitions are.
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:01 am:   

Damn, Borneo has some cool animals. How long until some jerk decides to build a resort or safari?

Re: Speciation. A small amount of genetic difference can produce very significant amounts of phenotypic difference. A good general rule of thumb is that if two animals can interbreed, they're the same species.

This is a summary: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VSpeciation.shtml

That beast is badass. This is the kind of story that reminds that there is good news inthe world. There's still a lot of stuff we don't know. Thank god...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

Like I said, yay, Borneo. That's a great fucking cat. A real cat's cat. A cat you'd be proud to know.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 11:37 am:   

A more in depth discussion of the new/old species
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2007/03/belated_welcome_to_a_new_cloud.p hp
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 01:29 pm:   

You might recall the Borneo ferret-badger and the Tonkin otter-civet that were invoked last year when an oddball critter was photographed somewhere in Kalimantan late 2005.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/borneo-just-flying-sq/

We had a real cat's cat until Monday but had to let her go: renal failure. Her fighting weight was usually six pounds but she acted like it was sixty. The vet said she had cattitude.
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Lisa Goldstein
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 05:23 pm:   

Sent this article to a cat fan, who says, "Clouded leopards have also been considered the only 'true' living relatives of the prehistoric saber-toothed cats." Cool.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 05:29 pm:   

That is cool. I knew that was a real cat's cat!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 07:30 pm:   

More and better pics of the sabertooh's cuz here:

http://www.worldwildlife.org/
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 07:38 pm:   

It's now my wallpaper waiting to pounce.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 07:39 pm:   

Are you a cat fancier, PM?
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 07:57 pm:   

Indeed I am.

Beheld a wild (untamed not jungle) cat today. We watched one another motionless for a few minutes which was the extent of our interaction.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:01 pm:   

Unclean! I abjure you! :-)
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:19 pm:   

The pride has spoken.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:29 pm:   

And they said, Cats are both evil and insipid.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:30 pm:   

With the exception, of course, of the CL.
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:53 pm:   

Clouded leopard,
Your fang, your build, your paw,
We sang, we yield, we awe...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 07:05 am:   

Easy, PM..

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