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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:59 am:   

By Jean-Daniel Breque on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:20 am: Edit

"The Number 23" may have a troubled release in France, due to the archbishop of Paris, whose name is Vingt-Trois (Twenty Three).
I kid you not.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message By Lucius on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:30 am: Edit

Wow. That is surreal, and boy wouldn't Robert Anton Wilson have loved it. Well, you're probably not missing much, Jean-Daniel.

Wonder where the old slang expression 23 skiddo came from. And how that fits into the overarhing scenario...
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message By Dave G. on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:31 am: Edit

In 1984, the year of George Orwell's classic view of a totalitarian future, I was 23.

Since 1984, 23 years have elapsed!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message By Robert Devereux on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:39 am: Edit

23 is at 8% on Rotten Tomatoes, Ghost Rider is 27%. My first thought was "How did they find so many people who liked Ghost Rider?" That makes at least 27% of reviewers who have terrible taste (or are easily bribeable).
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message By Lucius on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:48 am: Edit

I can't believe GR is better than 23. I think it's a jim carrey backlash or something, because GR is excrable. The worst.

Dave, point taken.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message By Mike McLatchey on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:55 am: Edit

The one that cracks me up in the movie advertisement is "2 divided by 3 is the number of the devil" or whatever. I think old Bob would have thought the paranoia of the movie to be hilarious. The only thing you can probably say about 23 spotting is it's just a reflection of the way the brain works and what you pay attention to. Synchronicities are just off the map.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   

MetaCritic.com is similar to Rotten Tomatoes, but they also do the same for music, games, books, and TV. They convert reviews into a 1-100 scale, instead of the good/bad that RT uses. Their ranking for 23 is 25% (too bad it wasn't 23%). Ghost Rider isn't as far ahead (34%). Their pool is more limited since any site without numeric scores gets ignored.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 02:06 pm:   

The idea that GR has a 34 percent approval is as scary as bush having about that much.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 02:16 pm:   

It's not the number that approve of it, it's the average rating of the 19 reviews they tallied.

The Bush approval rating depresses me. I don't think there's anything he could do to loose that 30%. If he was caught eating babies, I'm sure they'd say "Well they were terrorist babies, so if he didn't eat them, they'd attack us."
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 02:27 pm:   

Whatever the number stands for, it's depressing.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 11:47 am:   

I love 70s American cinema for its character-driven storytelling, smart direction (by today's standards), and adventurous photography. Sidney Pollack's THE YAKUZA, which Huw and others recommended here a while ago, has all of these elements. I had never heard of this film until it was recommended here, so thanks for that. Anybody got any other little-known 70s gems to recommend?
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jk
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 12:33 pm:   

They had a cool feature in Sight and Sound recently on forgotten classics of the 70's. Here's some from the feature: Fat City(John Huston), They Might Be Giants, Pocket Money (script by Malick), The Great Northfield Minnesota Raid(Duval as loco Jesse James), Fingers, Remember My Name, Cockfighter, Night Moves, Ulzana's Raid, Little Murders(Arkin), Hustle, Bad Company.
Those are the ones I haven't seen that look interesting. The other movies they discussed were The Gambler with James Caan, The Last Detail, The Long Goodbye, and stuff like that.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 12:49 pm:   

Fat City is hands down the greatest American Sports movie of all time. Great performances by Keach and Jeff Bridges and Susan Tyrell (The female Peter Stomare). Rmember My Name with Anthony Perkins and Geraldine Cahplin is a cool thriller. Straight Time with Dustin Hoffman, Theresa Russell, and Harry Dean Stanton is a great crime movie, though made in the late Sixties. The Hired Hand with Fonda and Oates, which I've mentioned. I second Cockfighter, the Last Detail (awesome script by Robert Towne), Bad Company. Fingers isn't as good as the French remake. Nicholson's Going South is a funny western. You can make a list ten times this long. Monte Hellman's ouvre. Ride the High Country with Randolph Scott about two old cowboys whom the west has passed by. Another Sixties film, Lonely are the Brave, a contemporary western with Kirk Douglas. The Swimmer from a cheever novel with Burt Lancaster. Sheesh...waht a question. :-)
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   

Wow...what an answer! :-) Thanks jk and Lucius. The films you mentioned -- the majority of which I haven't seen -- should keep me busy for a while.

RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY, incidentally, is my favorite Peckinpah film and, IMO, his greatest achievement.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 01:52 pm:   

Yeah, Ride the High Country...great film. Joel McCrae, the other cowboy. made about fifty other westerns, none much good. He must have thought he died and went to heaven when this script came along.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 08:21 pm:   

Will I enter my house justified?

Visited a theater I hadn't been to in about 20 years. And it seemed as though it hadn't been upgraded in as long...

Saw Factory Girl. I blame the directing and writing. Usually one can blame the actors to some extent but hey if you're gonna cast the young Darth Vader as Dylan well you've got more than a drug problem. Pearce was wondrous as Warhol and his mom was well done as well. Miller was something of a mess.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 08:30 pm:   

Watched THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND. In a sense Whitaker is dominant but I wasn't expecting the movie to really be about his doctor.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 09:23 pm:   

You were expecting a movie about Africa to be about a black man? Pshaw.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 09:43 pm:   

Clearly I was raised under an ignorant bush.
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jk
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 10:39 pm:   

Lucius, have you seen Ghosts of the Civil Dead or To Have and To Hold? First two movies directed by John Hillcoat who did The Proposition. Nick Cave is in Ghosts.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 11:27 pm:   

Saw Ghosts of the Civil Dead. It's kind of interesting and a pretty fair performance by Cave as a psychotic prisoner. Mind you, I saw it nearly 20 years ago, so these are distant impressions, It's an arthouse film about prisonm and suffers slightly from pretension and a rather one-sided view of the system. Not that I'm a fan of the prison system, it's just that such a overtly leftis view is preaching to the choir. It takes place in an AUssie prison after a lockdown and does flashbacks to show how the prison got there...Worth a look. Another film with a similar agenda is Alan Clarke's scum, which I prefer. Having Ray Winstone in it helps.

To Have and to Hold I haven't seen, but everything I've read tells me it's not worth digging up.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 05:27 am:   

Only reason to watch the Oscars? Al Gore may win one. Go Al!!!
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:11 pm:   

I saw Little Murders a year or so ago and had to cut it off after about 30 minutes. It was too stupid. And I have a strong stomach for stupidity.

On another note, I just got back from Rome where I had my hair cut by Gordon Mitchell's barber...He showed me a pic in a drawer of him with some other people and one I recognised from Milano Calibro 9. He said the guy still lived around the corner.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:20 pm:   

Never saw LM. That's the Feiffer thing with Arkin, right? Sorry to learn that it's stupid.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:25 pm:   

Umm. No, it has Elliot Gould. It is a romantic comedy that is really dated. The woman has one of those quirky families where everyone is weird (perverted brother, father who arm-wrestles daughter, prissy mother)...the kind of thing that has since been done hundreds of times (Meet the Family). Maybe in the early 70's that was new.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:33 pm:   

Oh. Haven't seen that either then. Still, I think it must be Jules Feiffer. Probably was newish back then.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:45 pm:   

Yeah. It was probably funny.

The only other films I think I have seen on JK's list are Night moves and Ulzana's Raid. I remember the latter being pretty good, mainly because of Lancaster, who is good in pretty much everything. Night Moves is maybe the best Hackman film....The Swimmer I have seen a couple of times and really liked.
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Bob_kruger
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:59 pm:   

My dad loved Ulzana's Raid. He recommended it to me last July a couple weeks before he died. I need to get it.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 08:10 pm:   

I made the mistake of watching "Something New." I thought it might remind me a bit of my dating situation, but movies about completely neurotic business obsessed people learning to enjoy life aren't good. There wasn't anything remotely interesting about it.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:08 pm:   

Yeah, I think Ulzana's Raid is a must see if you like westerns. Burt Lancaster is particualarly cool in his more mature 70's roles.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 05:15 am:   

Never heard of Something New. Thank God. :-)
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:27 am:   

Brendan: "On another note, I just got back from Rome where I had my hair cut by Gordon Mitchell's barber...He showed me a pic in a drawer of him with some other people and one I recognised from Milano Calibro 9. He said the guy still lived around the corner."
Last year, French/German channel Arte broadcast a documentary about SW, and a scene featured Mimmo Palmara (aka Dick Palmer) and Giovanni Cianfriglia (aka Ken Wood), both doing fine, fighting, riding and shooting for the camera. Great fun.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:36 am:   

Jean-Daniel,

That would have been cool to see. I actually would like to visit some of the old studios if possible. In Rome I noticed that one of the subway stops was Cinecitta', but I am not sure if there is anything to see there. I would really like t see Gordon Mitchell's old western studio if it still exists. Tons of really bad westerns were made there. For some reason the really cheap ones intrigue me. Maybe it is because they seemed almost home-made.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:42 am:   

Watched SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE on Sun. Very moving and affecting film.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:51 am:   

Great film. The best evocation of childhood I've ever seen.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:53 am:   

I'm not going to ask about yr Seagal experience. Actually I watched some of Exit Wounds last night and compared to the shit he's doing now, it was like watching Citizen Kane.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:57 am:   

I got bored with Exit Wounds and didn't finish watching it.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:15 am:   

Like I said, compared to the present day Seagal..but yeah.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 09:02 am:   

Funny you should ask! Sorry to disappoint, but I must say that, compared to ludicrous stuff like SUBMERGED, ATTACK FORCE or TODAY YOU DIE, FLIGHT OF FURY was rather restrained and relatively plausible. It was a pretty straightforward actioner with a fairly linear plot and no quasi-supernatural fillips to inspire giggles. It had neither the gritty street quality of OUT FOR JUSTICE nor the jaw-dropping, head-exploding sci-fi wrong turns of SUBMERGED. Just straight down the middle.

And it had cool planes.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 09:35 am:   

Huh. Well, maybe he's on an uptick. I might check it out. Cool planes, you know. Hard to resist.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 11:04 am:   

Oh yeah, and gratuitous lesbian action. Can't go wrong.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 11:13 am:   

Well, that a selling point, for sure.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 11:26 am:   

Brendan, you're going to love Garringo's site, and especially this page:
http://garringo.cool.ne.jp/film-location.htm
No Italy, though--only Spain.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 12:30 pm:   

In FOF, Seagal did not insist on killing the smokin hot lesbian terrorist chick himself (a la ATTACK FORCE). I consider this a step forward in his artistic growth.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 12:38 pm:   

I think it would have been more of a step if he had made love to her shoes afterward.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 12:54 pm:   

Thanks Jean-Daniel, this is definately the site of an SW maniac. Is he Japanese? I think I saw a film called Garringo...Peter Lee Lawrence was it? Can't seem to recall.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 01:37 pm:   

Tonight, a Gibney-fest. 13 Gantry Row and Hugh Jackman and La Gibney in a Halifex 2-Parter... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 04:31 pm:   

Has anyone seen Fulci's Perversion Story? Any good?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 05:35 pm:   

A Highlander 5 review....

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/?p=1540
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 05:36 pm:   

PS -- you can buy this hunk of cheese at Diabolik...
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:52 pm:   

sounds real classy. thing i'll skip watching that--the last one, ENDGAME, was awful, even with watching christopher lambert get his head chopped off.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   

This sounds like the worst yet.

I might get it as a curiosity -- I'm a completist. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:13 pm:   

From the director of Man-Thing...that combined with the review makes it sound like it will make Uwe Boll's work seem like genius in comparison.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:19 pm:   

you and dave can watch it together on your trivia night. sounds like something for him--though maybe bad fighting isn't an attraction unless it's seagal.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:23 pm:   

Uwe Boll must be green with envy.

I'd be scared to watch it with Dave. :-) I think he could persuaded to watch it.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 09:16 pm:   

i don't think a lot of work will be required :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 09:23 pm:   

Probably not.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 09:40 pm:   

To Brendan: yeah, "Garringo" is Japanese. I thinks he travels to Europe every year to hunt for SW locations. SWs were big in Japan, and I recommend the SW DVDs sold by Xploited--though they're awfully expensive.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 10:56 pm:   

Thanks Jean-Daniel.

Lucius, haven't seen Perversion Story, but have been wanting to.

I saw an Umberto Lenzi film last night called Il Cinico, l'infame, il violento. As with most films starring Maurizio Merli, it is basically all about him going around punching and shooting people. It was still good, since Tomas Milian and John Saxxon had some nice mob action going on and their was good music.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 11:12 pm:   

This guy who graduated from my high school before I even got there, he went out to Hollywood and did a few commercials, a few movies, but his main claim to fame was being John Saxon's roommate. He had all these stories about Saxon wandering around looking like a bum, and how he'd sit on curbs and people would give him money. This was when Saxon was pretty young and he thought it was a hoot.

GuessI'm gonna go ahead and get Perversion Story.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 05:51 am:   

I watched Clean, Shaven by Lodge Kerrigan a couple of nights ago. I have mixed feelings about this one. On the one hand I enjoyed the way the character was portrayed by Peter Greene. I liked the use of sound to illustrate aspects of his schizophrenia. I liked the naturalism of the setting, the cinematography, and most of the actors. I loved the fact that he was trying to reunite wth his daughter. But I hated the detective subplot; it seemed to be used simply as a structural framework, without adding anything to the protagonist's essential dilemma. And I thought the ending was predictable and trite (not the last shot, though, which was moving). A flawed but interesting film.

Last night I saw Sherrybaby. Another Fucked-Up-Person-Trying-to-Make-Good-With-Daughter movie. I thought Maggie Gyllenhaal was excellent, and it was nice to see Danny Trejo play someone other than a murderous thug. But I couldn't manage to generate much sympathy for Gyllenhaal's character. This might stem more from personal bias than from the movie, though. I'm not sure. Again, though, trite ending: not the event so much as what Gyllenhaal says. I doubt I'd watch it again.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 07:12 am:   

John Saxon's roommate? That is a weird claim to fame :-) I am pretty sure he was in a film playing Django, but I can't figure out which one. Or maybe I am just fantasizing. One film of his I do want to see though is "Baciamo le mani". Another mafia flick I guess.

Yeah, I am sure Perversion Story is entertaining. I'll see it eventually myself.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 07:33 am:   

Brendan, the guy's name is Henry Wullmer, but he went under the names Dak Windsor, Zack Foster... you can see him throwing up against the side of a car in the opening of Splendor in the Grass. :P

Nathan, Clean, Shaven was Kerrigan's first movie, so flawed is to be expected;but years after having seen it, what I mostly remember is Peter Greene's incandescent performance. It's about time for me to watch it again, and I'm sure you're right, but it's still worth seeing for me. I'd be interested to know what you thought about Kerrigan's latest, Keane, which to my mind is almost flawless.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 07:48 am:   

I haven't been able to find KEANE or CLAIRE DOLAN on DVD. Are they out?

Didn't Umberto Lenzi specialize in zombie films? I know he did one of the famous ones. DR. BUTCHER, MD, maybe?
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 07:49 am:   

Yeah, Greene is awesome, no doubt about it. I'm definitely interested in seeing more by this guy. I'm going to order Keane (and that Russian movie, Brother) after I get paid again.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 07:53 am:   

Dave: both are available on Amazon.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 08:07 am:   

Dave doesn't buy online. But maybe in this case...

I like Brother a lot. It's a weirdly charming film. ANyway, hope you enjoy them.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 08:22 am:   

Lucius - I'll look out for him next time I watch Splendor in the Grass.

Dave, yeah Lenzi is known for Cannibal and exploitation flicks in the US. In reality though he made tons of stuff, the best of which were his crime flicks (Almost Human, Banda del gobbo, etc.). Early on he also did spy flicks. The film I saw last night went into a spy thing for a bit with Maurizio Merli putting on some special glasses and ducking around some touch sensitive lazers or whatever they are. Basically an early version of what John Woo did.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 08:27 am:   

Almost Human is excellent, Dave. I just watched it. If that's any indicator, I'd say his crime stuff is way better than his horror stuff.

Brendan, he's a blond guy. Splendor is his greatest screen role. :-)
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 08:31 am:   

Oh, I just realised the guy who did the Django role was Glenn Saxson, not John Saxon.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 08:33 am:   

I just figured out where I know Lenzi from: a particularly nasty little cannibal exercise called CANNIBAL FEROX aka MAKE THEM DIE SLOWLY (1981) which I rented on VHS to pass the time during a particularly dreary Christmas break from college. Recommended only to fans of undiluted gore.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 08:33 am:   

Ah cool, I am glad you liked the film Lucius.

Well, a guy who idolises a B actor like Saxon...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 09:09 am:   

Actually, Mike started a thread called Vacancy, which is online, partially, to promote Subpress -- that's a story I wrote about a later incarnation of Henry.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 09:11 am:   

Dave I know Thirst is around sonewhere,, just haven't come up with it yet.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 09:14 am:   

Couple Number 23 parodies:

http://tinyurl.com/2sct2v

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jR1_epbmI2g
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 09:17 am:   

Yeah, Ferox and then he did another called Mangiati vivi (Eaten Alive). . . . And then actually a zombie deal too called Incubo sulla citta' contaminata. I think he started out doing pirate and Hercules things though.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 02:01 pm:   

Funny stuff, Mike...


I'm looking for more crime Fulci and Lenzi
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 03:39 pm:   

Well, I just saw Bernard Rose's Snuff Movie. This guy made candyman and paperhouse,pretty decent films. But now...this just flat sucks. I mean, it's worthless. I don't even want to discuss it. Do yourself a favor and shun it.
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jk
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 07:50 pm:   

Yeah, I read a review that just trashed Snuff Movie. Too bad, Paperhouse was pretty cool.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 07:55 pm:   

Yeah, Paperhouse was cool and Candyman was good for a studio film. This just sucks.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 09:00 pm:   

Somebody sent me a copy of Ils (Them). It's not bad. Atmospheric; very cool cinematography; okay acting. It's kind of transparent, but I didn't mind that so much. Kind of a mild pleasant surprise.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 09:41 pm:   

Lucius - Try Banda del gobbo....I think the English title is Brothers Can Die. It is a comedy, but it is pretty good.

I saw a film called Anda muchacho spara! last night that was excellent, starring Fabio Testi.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:22 pm:   

Brendan: funny you should mention Glenn Saxson. After his brief career ended, he built a luxury resort in Costa Rica. Maybe Lucius had a brush with him.
See http://website.lineone.net/~braithwaitej/mainsite/overview/actors/saxson.htm
BTW, there is an excellent British DVD of "Django Shoots First" avalaible from amazon.co.uk
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:29 pm:   

Nope, no brush with Glenn.

Brendan, thanks...
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 08:24 am:   

Sure,

I lived in Costa Rica for a bit myself, but that was before Glenn's time....His resort looks light an absolute nightmare though. He should have stuck to B films. Actually, I have his film Kriminal on my "to watch" line-up.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 08:24 am:   

I finally had a chance to see a movie I've always been curious about, SIRENS, with Sam Neill and Hugh Grant. I'm not a Hugh Grant fan, but this was one film in which he twitchy, stiff-upper-lip Brit bit actually worked. He is a vicar who goes with his wife (the excellent Tara Fitzgerald) to visit the studio of Aussie artist Neill to convince him to withdraw some nude paintings from a planned art exhibit. The trio of models he lives with (Portia de Rossi, Elle Macpherson, Kate Fischer) are socially liberal and almost always naked and he and his wife are forced to confront the carnal sides of their natures.

Kind of frothy in a FOUR WEDDINGS AND A FUNERAL arthouse way, but not without meaningful substance. And OMG, those muses! A real treat that almost made digital cable worthwhile this month.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 08:28 am:   

Yeah, Sirens was okay, but I didn't get all gaga over the Sirens themselves. I'm just a Sam Neill completist.

:-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 08:32 am:   

I confess, it was hard to not go gaga over Elle and Portia.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 08:36 am:   

I recall SIRENS as a disappointment.

FOUR WEDDINGS was much more fun.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 08:38 am:   

Well, you haven't lived till you've gone gaga over Gibney. :-)

Four Weddings was okay, too, except I kept wishing that Hugh would stop his goddamn blinking.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 09:00 am:   

Four Weddings was OK. But I still can't buy Hugh Grant as prime minister in Love Actually.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 09:08 am:   

Missed Love Actually. But I suppose I'll have to see it someday. Bill Nighy completist.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 09:15 am:   

Cute, but utterly unrealistic film. Besides the Grant thing, Nighy plays an aging rock star, and he achieves a revival by being honest.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 09:23 am:   

Did you ever see that movie, Still Crazy, where he and Timohy Spall and Stephen Rea and etc. played the aging members of a glam band seeking to revive their careers? Nighy is superb, incredibly funny.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 09:58 am:   

Yes, I liked Still Crazy. I liked how they were able to make Strange Fruit seem like a real 70s band, and how they didn't look down on them or do ironic humor.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:06 am:   

It was pretty cool. Nighy had some brilliant moments. The Flame Still Burns! :-) One of the better films about rock and roll, I think.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:22 am:   

He reminded me of what Peter Murphy will be like in ten years' time.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:40 am:   

Very likely.

You know, it's hard to think of many good films, not documentary, made about rock.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:03 am:   

I agree, I'm getting tired of saying "Spinal Tap."
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:19 am:   

I don't even really like Spinal Tap that much.

Still Crazy's pretty good, though. I always wanted tomake a film about a bar band, but no go.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:26 am:   

Anyone recall "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains" with Diane Lane?

24 Hour Party People

A bar band? Come on, LIGHT OF DAY with Michael J. Fox and Joan Jett!
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:27 am:   

Does Jarman's JUBILEE count as a rock and roll film?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:30 am:   

I'm surprised Lucius, I figured you'd have lived at least some of Spinal Tap - I know I have. Then again I think of it as comedy AND tragedy. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:39 am:   

Bar band...how about Garage Days? It wasn't a bad movie, although quite a change of pace from Alex Proyas.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:49 am:   

Never saw Garage Days. Maybe I should.

We talked about this, Mike. The fact that I did live a good bit of Spinal Tap tended to make it unfunny.

Light of Day sucked. As did the movie with Liam Neeson and whatshername.

24 Hour Party People doesn't suit the format I have in mind.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:06 pm:   

I probably wouldn't have seen it if it wasn't by Proyas. At the time, he had 2 good movies under his belt, and hadn't squandered his appeal with I Robot. It's a mildly entertaining movie about a bar band trying to get a big break.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:08 pm:   

How about The Commitments? It's been years since I saw it, but vague recollections of it are good.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:15 pm:   

Lucius, tell me you're not dissing SATISFACTION, with Justine Bateman, Julia Roberts and Debbie Harry. That was a godlike cinematic achievement!

Bar bands trying to make it? Didn't EDDIE AND THE CRUISERS say all that need be said? :-)

What about Ron Howard's COTTON CANDY? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:26 pm:   

I haven't seen CC, but Eddie and the Cruiser and Satsfaction, oh how they bite!

Yeah, the Commmittments works, but I've not seen the American experience really done right, and it could be done right...so I'm bummed.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 01:28 pm:   

Weren't the Proclaimers associated with the Commitments? I'd walk ten thousand miles before sufferin' through that again...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 01:45 pm:   

No. The Procaimers have no associates.

Here's to Down By Law for covering 500 miles and including the line:

"...and when I heber, whatever the fuck that means.."
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 01:59 pm:   

Dave Smallee from DBL is an BC chum of mine.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 02:06 pm:   

A while back we were trying to come up with a slogan for Seagal's Lightning Bolt drink.

Lucius, I think you had the best, but since then a pair on YouTube has outdone you. Their slogan: Genocide in a Can...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 02:14 pm:   

I liked down by law...
Huh. Genocide in a Can. Not bad.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 04:47 pm:   

I'm off too see Zodiac. Three hours of David Fincher. Oh, goody.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 05:02 pm:   

didja have fun?
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 05:19 pm:   

Three hours of David Fincher?

Wonder if it will be better than Alien3.

They all come in threes or so I've heard.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:01 pm:   

Wow. Zodiac...okay. It's a police procedural, emphasis on the word procedural. It's a kind of allegory about the information age, which is why the procedural aspects of the story are so rigorously rendered and the human element are really almost irrelevant...until the last hour or so and Graysmith's (Gyllenhall's) story comes to the fore. I doubt many who liked Fincher's previous films will like this. No over the top psychodrama whatsoever. I thought it was too long by about fifteen minutes or so. I thought Robert Downey was too flimsy for his part. And the film's murky video look didn't always work for me.
But this is a kind of film I like, a slow, painstaking procedural. I don't recall a flim that has so much information in it, and I suspect that's going to limit the movie's appeal. It's a movie about solving a unsolved puzzle, and that is it's only concern -- I doubt American audiences, who've been taught to relax their brains, will take to it in droves. Mark Ruffalo is very good, and Gyllenhall is good, and all the actors are competent. But Fincher doesn't care about actors or people in this movie. From the very beginning, when we're given a POV of something on a mail cart as the Zodiac's first letter is being pushed through a newpaper office, it's clear that Fincher's concern is the puzzle, the path that leads to the Zodiac, a theme that is restated by a number of shots throughout the film, like the areial shot that follows the cabbie to point where he is killed. I kind of wish Fincher had made it a little more about people. I think he could have made it that way and have been successful; but it is what it is, and what it is a good, solid movie with flashes of brilliance...a very good movie, but it's going to go right out of mind the next great movie I see.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:06 pm:   

Well, I know I'm going to get my head ripped off for this, but I quite liked Alien 3. I enjoyed how it got over the military fetishism and pro-nuclear-family horseshit of Aliens and back into a lonely, bleak place. I thought the opening sequence was a big, jutting middle finger to Cameron and his aesthetic, and who doesn't love that? It treated Ripley like an actual human being, and examined -- to an extent, anyway -- the effects such an apalling series of experiences might have on her. Underrated.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:08 pm:   

Thanks, Lucius. That sounds like something I'll go see.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:08 pm:   

Actually, I like ALien 3 better than Fight Club or Seven.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:45 pm:   

that doesn't sound so bad--i might check it. i was really off fincher with PANIC ROOM, but maybe i'll try it.

i never much liked ALIEN3 (i like ALIEN RESURRECTION, however, and i might be the only person who does) but i did like fincher's THE GAME.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:50 pm:   

Alien 3 was my favorite fincher movie. Can't stand Douglas. Thought there were a zillion plot holes in the game. As kitsch is the only way I could like Alien 4. Zodiac is an interesting movie, an interesting puzzle...and it's really got a ton of information. It's amazing how much info is packed into it.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 04:19 am:   

Really digged Goldenthal's score for ALIEN3. Agree that it sets a spot on mood for desolation. The extended version of the film adds/extends scenes which adds coherency. Alas at the end of the day the film is not particularly suspenseful and I think this is what drove away audiences.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 05:05 am:   

I enjoyed Fight Club, although I only watched it once. However, I was surprised that so few people caught the "twist" ending, since clues were there the whole time.

A3 was OK, Panic Room was dull, didn't care for Seven, didn't like The Game.


On another topic, the giant foot hasn't returned yet. Last night was another filler episode, the only real plot was 3 minutes at the end.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 06:00 am:   

I'm worried about the foot. Think maybe they forgot about it?

I saw the twist coming in FC, too. I couldn't stand the movie's look and have problems with Pitt doing twitchy. IMO, Zodiac is his best movie.

See, Nathan, you're not getting your head ripped off. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 06:41 am:   

They set up the Rousseau/Alex storyline at the end of Season 1, and they're only now moving forward with it. It may take a few more seasons for the foot to come back, or it may never come back.

At this point, I think stubbornness is the reason I'm still watching.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 06:43 am:   

Hmmmm, a police procedural about a case where the criminal was never found...Sounds like a dubious proposition from the start. No payoff.

I didn't realize that there was already a ZODIAC movie with Thomas Jane made as recently as 2005. Do we really need another?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 06:50 am:   

I know about stubborness, Robert. But after awhile I just found it wasn't paying off on American TV...

Dave, the best serial killer I've ever seen, Boon Jun Park's Memories of Murder, was based on an unsolved case and had no "pay-off." Zoadiac is a good movie. It's no Submerged, but then what is.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 06:56 am:   

Of course we need another. Just like we needed a remake of The Poseidon Adventure a year after the made for TV remake.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 07:04 am:   

This isn't a remake. THis is it's own thing. I doubt Fincher will ever make another movie like it, because I doubt the film will perform that well. There been countless murders about which multiple movies have been made and books written. Usually one is pretty definitive. I think Fincher's Zodiac will be definitive.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 10:16 am:   

Yeah, I guess THE PLEDGE was a pretty good film about an unsolved crime, too.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 10:36 am:   

Yep. That was a very good film, though it had a resolution.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 07:43 pm:   

I saw that Zodiac movie that came out a few years ago, with Robin Tunney. It wasn't that great. Focused mostly on the cop who was assigned the case, and how it affected him and his family. He mostly walks around looking angry and smoking alot, and telling his wife not to lock the front door.
At the end, they said that the last message the Zodiac sent was in 1978 and that it said something about him waiting for a movie to be made about it all. Now he's got two.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 07:45 pm:   

He'll be so over the moon, he'll start killing again.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 09:05 pm:   

If he's still kickin'.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 09:10 pm:   

Well, there's that.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 09:13 pm:   

I started to write a book called Mr. Clean Living about three old serial killer's who wind up in the same retirement community and are reinvigorated by each other's presence. He could be somewhere like that...
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jk
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 10:48 pm:   

Cool idea. Sounds like something the studios would pay big bucks for if it was pitched to the right person.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 05:04 am:   

I wish I could find that person. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 08:12 am:   

So, it could be pitched as ZODIAC meets GOING IN STYLE. Sounds like a breeze!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 08:14 am:   

But creepier...
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 08:18 am:   

Hello again...I've been swamped with work and haven't posted since the Lynch stuff a ways back.

Anyway, I just thought I'd add my two cents and say that I liked Alien 3 and 4 too. The extra DVD stuff for Alien 3 is really interesting. I'm strangely fascinated by all the films it might potentially have been. The restored working print really is a drastic improvement on the studio cut. Unfortunately, it ended up having all the right elements but serving them all up undercooked: AIDS allegory, villanous corporados, fundamentalism, an alien that was supposed to be big, bad and unique by virtue of the ox (not dog) host, technology's relationship with society, and, of course, the feminist angle. I think the feminist elements of the story would have been better served if Weaver had gotten her wish and it had been made more clear that the alien effectively raped her...

Alien 4 was great too, but it was effectively alien satire.

On another note, has anyone here seen An Unreasonable Man yet? Opinions on it are scarce...

Later,
Dave
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 08:34 am:   

Hey, Dave...

I didn't think Alien 4 was alien satire--satire would involve a sharp-wittedness and clean-ness of conceptualizing that the movie most definitely did not have. It's become a trend lately to say that something is satire when it just flat sucks. The movie, at best, may attempt satire, and I'm sure Juenet at least thought about injecting some (what other recourse did he have as far as making himself heard above the cheeping of the producers), but it's such a horrid mess, so ineffectual in lampooning its targets, if indeed it had targets, that one has to view it first and foremost as cinematic crap.

Haven't seen Unreasonable Man. What is it?
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 09:13 am:   

Point taken about Alien 4. It is muddled. Is it a warning about genetic engineering? Yes, but with no clearly discernable content to the warning. And it probably does have only scattered moments of attempted satire...that weren't entirely successful. Maybe it would be more accurate to say that it was an attempt at a radical shift in tone from the other alien movies, rather than calling it satire. Still, I do like it flaws and all. My favorite scene was cut from the orginal print though: where it's revealed that Walmart bought "The Company" and now owns pretty much everything everywhere.

Anyone ever notice the similarities in the Betty's crew in Alien 4 and Firefly's crew?

By the way Lucius, what do you mean by cheeping of the producers? Was Jenuet given the Fincher treatment?

Unreasonable Man is the new documentary about Ralph Nader. It's showing here in NYC. Don't know if it's made to theaters elsewhere though.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 09:25 am:   

Exactly, Dave. It was too fucked to merit the term. The Wallmart scene would have helped. My favorite scene is near the end, after told they have twenty minutes (?) until the ship explodes, Weaver and Winona take a leirsurely stroll along the corridor, discussing women's issues.

Didn't notice the similarity of crews, but now you mention it...

I meant cheep, as in "cheep, cheep." The producers' ideas like the cries of baby birds. I know no background about this movie--wasn't interested enouh to find out--but I do know that Jeunet lost almost all his creative battles.
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 09:33 am:   

Alien 4 was tedious. You know what's gonna happen.

Rider was interesting for a few moments. (She would have made a great Vulcan.)
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 09:33 am:   

>>Jeunet lost almost all his creative battles

That's too bad. I think we might have had that sharper, cleaner satire otherwise.

I do know that there was supposed to be a different ending that was deemed too expensive, so instead they blew the alien out the airlock...for the third time. Say what you want about Alien 3, at least the alien didn't get sucked out into space when it bit the bullet.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 09:49 am:   

I kinda liked 3. 4...not so much.

They often do that, bring a foreign director over to give a film a new look, then don't let him direct and the result is horrendous...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 10:08 am:   

Actually, i liked 3 better than Aliens.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 10:35 am:   

I liked Aliens, but the director's cut was bad. They revealed far too much at the beginning.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 10:36 am:   

Aliens was too much of a shoot-em-up for me.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 10:38 am:   

Yup. Me, too. But not, apparently, for America.
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 11:09 am:   

Yeah, Aliens is the worst of the lot. It was novel at the time as a new breed of action film on roids, but hasn't aged well. Now its action scenes seem quaint and old fashioned, and its story just stinks of Reagan-era attitudes that never held water to begin with. Big guns, big guns, big guns...failing that, nukes and rampaging, righteous motherhood. Bleh. Weakest of the four films for me.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 11:58 am:   

...and Paul Reiser. Don't forget Paul Reiser.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 12:32 pm:   

I don't know about the worst...A4 was really, really bad. But like Robert said, it was so frontloaded, it was pitfiful. But the Cowboys and Indians aspect had some moments. I thought it was Paul Reiser's greatest film.
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 12:36 pm:   

Well consider this about A4.

When Lucius says it's sucks and the general population says it's sucks...chances are it sucks!

It pretty much ended the franchise.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 12:46 pm:   

And speaking of braindead, I saw Altratriste this morning, which is a big braindead rendition of Arturo Perez-Revete's swashbuckling novels about a Spanish soldier/adventurer (Viggo Mortensen) who returns from northern Europe to find his country in decline, misruled and rife with rebellion. Looks great, has some great battle scenes, but has a dumbass script that fails to establish any real characters, even Viggo's. But if swordfightin' and pretty scenery's your thang, this might get you through to the next good swahsbuckler comes along.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 05:16 pm:   

I finally saw 'Apocalypto' for $3 with my brother and one other person in the theater. As ham-handed the direction, as mind-bogglingly inept the anachronisms, as gratuitous the violence - which was far less overt than I'd thought it might be - it was o.k. It could've been far more compelling with someone Gibson could've trusted telling him, 'For the luvaGhod, Mel, people can't run for days from rested, well-fed Viking-type Mayans with a perforated liver! Give the guy some coca leaves [even if it is the Yucatan]'.

Likable actors, stunning scenery, body-piercings and scarifications that'd horrify your average Goth, even humor.

I think Gibson should've thanked the producers of 'Papillon' though.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 05:33 pm:   

Me, I'm getting ready to watch a couple of movies,Razoreaters and Red Road, Oz and Scotland respectively.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 06:34 pm:   

Glad to see I've got some company re: the Alien 3 thing. Usually I get bagged on when I defend that one.

For what it's worth, when they were making the latest super-editions of the movies for a big DVD box set, they approached Joss Whedon to do a commentary for Alien 4 (he wrote the original script, of which apparently almost nothing remains); he said he was very tempted to take them up on the offer and spend the two hours explaining why it was such a turd, but then thought about his career and decided against it.

Now THAT would have been a commentary worth listening to! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 06:56 pm:   

That would have been excellent to hear.

Alien 3 could have been super-gppd, but Hollywood chickened out...
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 07:08 pm:   

No question. Another boxed-set anecdote I read: they tried to get Fincher directly involved in the movie's "reconstruction," as a kind of director's cut, but his experiences with Fox were so bad that he refused to be involved in any way. He gave the DVD guys his blessing to do it without him, but could not bring himself think about it anymore.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 07:13 pm:   

Well, I haven;t been a Fincher fan. except for this last and his first, but he had the right attitude there.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 08:00 pm:   

Watched Razoreaters. It held my attention. I don't agree with Film Threat that "it's the best independent film I've ever seen..." Not half. It concerns five young Aussie nihilists who go around slauhtering drugs dealers, politicians, etc, videotaping their exploits. Half of Melbourne loves 'em, etc, etc. It plays out like you'd expect, sorta. It's okay, not great.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 10:46 pm:   

Red Road is the first of Lars Von Trier's Advance Party project, which has three director shooting movies about characters developed by Von Trier and one of his colleagues; all films must be shot in Scotland and use the same actors. This film, directed by Andrea Arnold, is a clever, taut thriller that won the Jury prize at Cannes. It filmed in Glaswegian English and comes (appropriately) with subtitles. Anyone who's ever met Hal Duncan will know that they are needed.

Jackie (Kate Dixon) sits in front of a bank of CCTV monitors all day, watching the drab variety of human experience. She's depressed, dysfunctional, and has some tragedy in her past that has caused her troubles. One day she sees a man, Clyde, on her screens and begins to flirt with him. He just out of prison and it's clear that he has something to do with the secret in Jackie's past. This is the opposite of the Hollywood frontloaded script--Arnold doles out info in dribs and drabs, keeping the tensions simmering. You won't know what's going on until the end.

Red Road is a pretty damn cool movie and will bear a second viewing, if only to watch the great party scene, a vicious fight scene, and the most effective sex scene I've watched in a long time. But the most important reason to watch again is Andrea Arnold--she's going to be a star and watching her amp up the tension (this is a very tense film) and play with your expectations is a real treat.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 02:01 am:   

like i said, i liked ALIEN FOUR. sure, it wasn't great, and had a lot of problems in it, but i'm a big fan of jeunet's films, and it kinda pleased me to see the dude in the wheelchair surviving the whole thing. him and ron perlman. jobs for the boys. but there are lots of dumb ass moments in it.

also, i liked ALIENS.

what can you say? i'm falling on the other side of the franchise. none of 'em hold a candle to PREDATOR though.

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 04:04 am:   

Jeunet himself hates A4 -- I gotta go along with the Jeunet-ster. However, I liked both Predator movies -- I'm not counting Alien V Predator.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Razoereaters, but then you'd have to watch "the greatest inependent film ever made." :p
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 01:27 pm:   

Altratriste...I recall seeing trailers for that months ago. I figured since it hadn't made it here yet, that it must be terrible. Anything that gets trailers and then disappears is usually bad.

The Predator films were good, but AvP...that may actually be the worst Alien film, it's definitely the worst Predator film.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 01:28 pm:   

so great i've never heard of it, in fact. but i'll have a look for it--it doesn't sound like the kind of thing i want to pay cash for, but maybe there's a rental, or a torrent i can download it off or something... i gotta start looking into that last part a bit more.

i hated that second PREDATOR movie. sure, the voodoo guys were fun, but it lacked that over the top eighties action drama with ex-porn stars that i loved so much. i did, however, kinda enjoy ALIEN V PREDATOR.

jeunet is more than right to hate A4--it's by far the weakest film he's done. in his terms, it's really a bad film.
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jk
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 01:42 pm:   

Lucius, have you seen Szamanka? Directed by the guy who did Possession with Adjani.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 02:02 pm:   

No, jK,I haven't seen it. I think I;m going to rent it soon.

Ben, you mean Altatriste? It's got a terrific opening--if the rest of the movie had been up to that, it;d been a big woof. Or Razoreaters. It's kinda, ok.

Robert, I thought Danny really did a nice job in P2, much cooler than Arnold. Of couse my favorite of the Predator ripoffs is I Come in Peace (Yes, says Dolph as he blows the bad monster away. But yiu go in pieces) :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 02:04 pm:   

That should have been addressed to ben not robt.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 02:23 pm:   

I will say about alien 4 that it had one of my favorite character actors in it, Michael Wincott, the capt of the pirate ship, who also played the villain in the Crow. A man with a great, gravelly voice that he uses to good effect--does lots of voiceovers. He's currently in a movie called Seraphim Falls, a post-civil war western starring Liam Neeson and Peirce Brosnan, the kind of movie that between 1950 and 1980 would have been a major studio film, but now is made independently. I saw it and it's right good. Wincot is third billed and gets plenty of screen time.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 02:29 pm:   

Started watching Dark Water (Japanese version) and turned it off after about 20 minutes. Boring.

Watched Il Preftettp di ferro. An excellent mafia movie, with good acting, good script and basically everything one could want. I am not sure if it is as good as the Godfather, but it certainly seems more realistic.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 03:00 pm:   

Yea. someone else who feels that way. I thought I was alone.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 03:39 pm:   

By the way Lucius, I watched Cockfighter as you recommended and enjoyed it. I couldn't quite figure out if there was supposed to be some kind of message in it, but on a story, visual level it was cool.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 03:49 pm:   

You should check out the novel by Charles Willeford, who wrote Miami Blues et al. It's pretty great...in fact all his novels are cool.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 03:51 pm:   

I'll do that. I haven't read anything by him, but tend to like stuff that gets into obscure low-life activity.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 04:01 pm:   

Well, you'll love cockfighter then. And the Hoke Mosely books, of which Miami Blues is one, are really good. A detective with no teeth who can't get a date. New Hope for the Dead is among my favorites.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 07:37 pm:   

i love wincott. one of my favourite things he did was in DEAD MAN, as the never shut up bounty hunter that lance henrickson eats first. but generally i dig him--it's a sad thing he died so early in A4.

i meant RAZOREATERS, btw, lucius. robert posted just before mine so it got a bit confusing.

anyhow, the first PREDATOR was just so over the top and fun. when danny glover came into it... nah, i just kept seeing the old cop from LETHAL WEAPON. he'll always be that for me, sadly (i say sadly because i don't think the LW films are any good, but i just can't move beyond glover in them).
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 07:52 pm:   

Well, at least you like wincott. :-) I dug him in Dead Man. His voice gets him a lot of work. The only reason I rented Treasure Planet was to hear him, ANyway, I'm gonna check out Seraphim Falls.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 08:00 pm:   

i still got some redeeming features about me and my film tastes :-)

SERAPHIM FALLS sounds alright, actually.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 08:16 pm:   

I don't know if I'd go that far. :-)

Yeah, what I said about SF being a studio picture if it were made twenty-five-thirty years ago has more to do with story values than genre. I think it's gonna be a good movie. I hear Brosnan's pretty good as a mountain man in it, which would be a surprise...
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 11:05 pm:   

I'm on the Wincott train too. I remember he was the only good thing about Costner's Robin Hood. He also did most of the call-in guests on that old Oliver Stone movie, Talk Radio. I still haven't seen Dead Man, but I'll remedy that soon now that I know he's in it.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 03:18 am:   

i just saw akira kurosawa's KAGEMUSHA, which is a horrible mess of a film.

i like a lot of kurosawa stuff, and this one i hadn't seen. it's basic plot is about a lord who finds a double, and after he dies, his generals put the double in his place for three years to honour the lords dying wish. unfortunately, all the politics get in the way of the tragedy of the double, and there are too many characters, and none of their motivations are really given much space (the film is two and a half hours and a bit--so it's kinda on the long side). the last half hour of it is simply ridiculous. one to miss, yes.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 03:41 am:   

I liked Kagemusha quite a bit actually. I also originally saw it when it came out at the theatre, so the colours and battle scenes really come to life. I think I have seen it on video also though and enjoyed it.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:01 am:   

I'm kinda in the middle on this -- I like the pretty picture and battle flags and can't really recall it, but I remember thinking it wasn't one of Kurosawa's best. Of course I'd just seen Dersu Ezala, which is terrific, so that might have been a factor...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:04 am:   

Nathan, I forgot wincott did Talk Radio. Robin Hood is a hilarious movie -- that and Cutthroat island are the two films I turn to for inadvertant comedy....
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:10 am:   

Yeah, Uzala is a better picture. I don't think I dislike any of Kurosawa's stuff though. Some of his first pictures don't do much for me, but the rest ranges from brilliant to very good.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:37 am:   

Robin Hood is definitely comedy, I don't see how it can be taken seriously.

I know I've seen Kagemusha, but I don' t remember much about it. That's strange because most of Kurasawa's work left strong impressions on me. I guess I should see it again.

I had almost forgotten about I Come in Peace. That was another unintentional comedy.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 06:52 am:   

I COME IN PEACE?

That could explain Lucius' coaster collection...

The near rape at the end of Robin Hood made it more/less than a comedy.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 07:42 am:   

Costner's shifting accent alone made RH a comedy. BTW, the new BBC Robin Hood is bad.

Are you kidding me? I COME IN PEACE is a classic. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 08:23 am:   

Bruce, if you're out there, could you resend Chango? I whiffed on it. Sorry.
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david h
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 09:38 am:   

You can add me to the Wincott train too. I'll have to check out SERAPHIM FALLS. Sounds cool.

Never liked the Predator movies as much as the Alien ones though. ANd could never bring myself to watch AvP.

I watched the 1990 remake of Night of the Living Dead last night. I'm not sure what to think. There were elements of it that were cool and even foreshadowed stuff Romero did in later Dead films, but it just felt a bit like watching understudies perform NotLD as a high school play. Weird. I wonder how much thought and effort really went into it given that Romero is said to have done it to reclaim the rights to the original.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 09:57 am:   

Lucius, it should be hitting your in-box.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 10:16 am:   

Thanks, Bruce.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:17 pm:   

Anybody got any thoughts on Japanese director Kon Ichikawa's films? His THE BURMESE HARP and one other just hit DVD from Criterion.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:24 pm:   

By other, I assume you mean Fires on the Plain, which is a great movie, as is Harp--Ichikawa made around 100 movies. Fires on the Plain is one of my favorites.

How did you like Zodiac?
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:55 pm:   

Cool on Ichikawa. I'm thinking of buying both those Criterions.

Zodiac, from the first to last scene, felt timeless. I can't remember the last Hollywood movie that was so restrained and natural in its storytelling and acting. It's really stuck with me all weekend; I already can't wait until the DVD comes out.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   

Timeless? Wow. I didn't think timeless, but I thought it was right good. It was by far Fincher's best, but only did 13 million at the box office, which says to me that F will be back to doing over the top psychodrama next time out
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 05:06 pm:   

PS -- Wild Hogs did 38 mil.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 05:08 pm:   

Yeah, he's already shooting Benjamin Button with Brad Pitt and Kate Blanchett. I believe that's the love story about Pitt being born an old man and "aging" toward infancy. Doesn't sound good.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 05:35 pm:   

Not good at all. Just the name Brad Pitt says that.
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david h
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 09:04 pm:   

The Benjamin Button short story was good. It's tough to go wrong with Fitzgerald. I have no idea how that story is going to end up providing material for a two hour movie though.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 09:32 pm:   

Well, that's how Fitzgerald can go wrong, no? A two-hour movie and Pitt. You ever see the Great Gatsby with Redford? Not a great movie. If they can screw that up...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 09:54 pm:   

Has there ever been a good Fitzgerald movie? I know the Last Tycoon sucked. Can recall a good one...

Can't really recall too many great literary adaptations. The Butcher Boy was one. But most of the Hemmingway stuff is a mess...
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 10:41 pm:   

lucius, is WOMAN IN THE DUNES based off the kobo abe book?

brendan, thanks. will look. i'm a big fan of mifune. you ever seen the zatoichi film he was in? he was playing his yojimbo/sanjuro character. it's not a real good film, but mifune is cool.

just as an aside, i never liked fitzgerald.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 10:46 pm:   

Ben - Yes, I agree about Zatoichi meets Yojimbo not being the best Zatoichi film, but I think I've still seen it a few times. I like most of the other Zatoichi films better though (as far as entertainment goes).

Kelly - The Burmese Harp is a very good film.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 10:51 pm:   

Ben, yeah, Abe...it's really fine as a movie.
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S. Hamm
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 11:10 pm:   

Brendan,

RED LION is an Okamoto -- same guy who made KILL!, SAMURAI ASSASSIN, ZATOICHI V. YOJIMBO and the excellent SWORD OF DOOM.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 11:44 pm:   

i tried to get into the ZATOICHI films--saw a handful of them after the beat takeshi remake, which i really like. i thought THE ONE ARMED SWORDSMAN was fun, but the others...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 05:00 am:   

Not a peek experience, huh? :-)

I like several films in the samurai genre, but I have a low tolerance for BS, and after Hara Kiri debunked the myth, I pretty much said, I've had enough. If you haven't seen Hara Kiri, you sorta need to, I think...

Watched Elevator to the Gallows, which was Louis Malle's first movie, starring Jeanne Moreau...a clever thriller.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 06:43 am:   

Wasn't I COME IN PEACE that one with Dolph Lundgren? Not nearly as good as THE HIDDEN, a forgotten gem that came out about the same time.

Michael Wincott made a great villain in THE CROW. Wasn't he also in STRANGE DAYS, to my mind, another underrated sf gem.

In response to some positive comments on the Diabolik website, I watched THE MANITOU on cable this wknd. I would have to say that this is one of the dozen or so worst movies I've ever seen. Just deplorable. My respect for Diabolik's editorial staff has gone down just a notch or two.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 06:55 am:   

Yeah, Wincott was in Strange Days. He was also in one of those awful thrillers, Along Came a Spider. He was the most interesting part of the movie.

I Come in Peace was Dolph Lundrgen and Brian Benben.


I finally saw "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" I can't imagine how they adapted that to "Guess Who" with Bernie Mac and Ashton Kutcher.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 07:15 am:   

Manitou? Oh, god. That's horrid.

And yep, as Robert testifies, that was the Dolphster. The Hidden is a classic compared to I Come In Peace, but the latter's cheese factor is endearing.

Wincott was the killer in Spider -- he WAS the only nteresting thing in the movie. But then he's the most interesting thing in a lot of his movies.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

S. Hamm - Thanks. Maybe Mifune produced it? for some reason I have an impression he was involved in it beyond just being an actor.

RE samurai films Zatoichi....Well, I have been a fan of Ichi for a while. The remake I really didn't like. Hara Kiri is an excellent film....But I like the genre as a whole. Maybe I have a high tollerance for BS:-). As a kid there was a theatre that would play all kinds of interesting Samurai films....so that sort of got me into them. In general though, there is a sort of macho edge to Japanese culture that certainly goes beyond the samurai thing. It might just be that the latter is a very obvious representation of this.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

I just found Hara Kiri compelling in that it made me see the genre in a new light. Obviously, I have a cultural bias in this regard -- I'll watch westerns more readily than samurai pics...but then I prefer westerna with an anti-heroic bent, and there are less of that kind of film in the samurai genre.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 08:06 am:   

In a sense that is true, but in another the samurai films were some of the first action films that really had anti-hero type heroes. A Fist Full of Dollars was more or less a reworking of Yojimbo etc.

For me, at the end of the day, it depends more on the film itself than the genre. But I will readily watch a bad samurai film or western but will not watch a bad horror, drama, comedy etc.

I'm not sure if that makes any sense....
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

Definitely there are some anti-hero samurai films, though I might argue that in context of the genre, Yojimbo is more in keeping with the samurai ethic than a Fistful of Dollars was with the general tenor of westerns at the time. However, as you say, it all boils down to personal preference.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:12 am:   

Hey, THE HOST hits the big screen on Friday!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:19 am:   

Yippee! Have you seen it? If not, go!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:38 am:   

I want to see The Host this weekend.

Has anyone else been watching Rome on HBO? I've been disappointed this season. In the first season, it was interesting to see how they worked two nobodies into the important events in Roman history. It was also nice that they didn't whitewash the sex and violence.

This season, I'm less intrigued. It seems more like a historical soap opera where the sex and violence are the focus, but the story isn't.

I wonder if it will be a trend in HBO shows that each subsequent season is less interesting. I felt that way about Deadwood, and now Rome. I've decided that I watch too much TV, so Rome will be a casualty in my efforts to cut down (first I cut CSI, now Rome, Lost isn't far off).
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david h
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:40 am:   

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to The Host. I want to see that, Zodiac, and An Unreasonable Man at the moment...

>>Has there ever been a good Fitzgerald movie?

Most film makers never get past adapting his marratives' surfaces. I don't think there's ever been a Fitzgeral movie that was made by a film maker that was as good at making films as Fitzgerald was at writing novels. As source material though, his stuff is primo.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:46 am:   

Go, Robert! Cut that tv addiction!

David, no knock on the source material. I was just saying I don't expect much of benjamen button.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 10:58 am:   

Now that EXTRAS is off the air, the only thing worth watching every week is 30 ROCK.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:10 am:   

Hmm. Never seen it.

Did you watch the Marquez fight last weekend? Any good?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:17 am:   

Seven rounds of excellent, highly-skillful, slam-bang action. Shall I spoil the ending for you?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:23 am:   

My VCR broke--I know Marquez won, and that Vasquez quit after the seventh because of abroken nose. I no longer get HBO; I just wasn't watching enough. I expect I'll see it sometime. Rafael is a great fighter.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:27 am:   

Marquez looked like a million bucks. He got the better of the action, and Vazquez was fighting well, too. Aside from getting dropped in the second, he had things his own way. The ending was a shocker, but Israel's nose was mashed up pretty bad and you could tell from the way he was talking afterward that he couldn't breathe right.

On the undercard, smaller man Victor Burgos soaked up such a frightful beating from Vic Darchinian it was hard to watch. Burgos ended up with bleeding on the brain and is probably lucky to be alive.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:48 am:   

Yeah, I heard about Burgos. It doesn't pay to be a tough guy in boxing. Seems like MMA, while it seems more brutal, is actually more humane.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:56 am:   

The Burgos fight was a tough one. He was moving pretty well and punching back until just before the stoppage, which leaves open the question: should the ref have stopped it earlier? Should his corner?

This was one of those situations where the guy was so far behind, it was justified in stopping after eight rounds on the grounds that it just didn't make any sense to prolong a one-sided beating.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:00 pm:   

yep. seen it before. like the jimmmy garcia fight.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:38 pm:   

Was that Gabe Ruelas?
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david h
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:42 pm:   

Anyone watching LOST tonight? Does it still suck? I've given up on it, but my girlfirend still watches it. I catch flashed of how bad it is everynow and then (e.g. the bus accident). Every time I watch a few minutes, I just hear Lord Helmet saying "she's gone from suck to blow".

I'm feeling too tired to work late tonight. Might watch it with her, God help me. Rather, The Foot help me.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:48 pm:   

Yep, that was Gabe. Terrible fight. I saw that one coming. I couldn't believe the ref let it go on.

Gave up on lost. Lost is on wednesday's, no?
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david h
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:48 pm:   

>>David, no knock on the source material. I was just saying I don't expect much of benjamen button.

Cool. I guess I'm holding out hope. I really like FItzgerald. But I also like Fight Club and Se7en more than you I think, Lucius. Pitt is the pits in a lot of ways, but Fincher seems to have coaxed okay performances out of him in the past. I'll probably catch shit for writing that... But what are you gonna do if you're Fincher? I'm sure putting Pitt in his movies gives him some leeway with the studios, allowing him to make the films that he does.
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david h
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:50 pm:   

>>Lost is on wednesday's, no?

Right, right. And today would be Monday. Nevermind. I'm losing track of what day of the week it is...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:51 pm:   

Lost won't be on until Wednesday. I'll still watch it, and yes it still sucks. They only had one good episode this season.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:53 pm:   

Since I assume Fincher's rich already, you'd think he'd try to make a good movie. Or another good movie. I thought Seven was atmospheric but by the time they got to Gluttony I was noticing Brad's pissed-offedness and was waving goodbye to Gwnneth. As for Fight Club...stupid book, stupider movie.
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Tracy Taylor
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:56 pm:   

Until now I've just been a lurker here, and I apologize if you guys have already covered this, but did anyone see Children of Men, and if so, what did you think?

I liked the premise, mostly, but am a little tired of the bleak-future motif. Plus the explanation of the sudden-onset infertility struck me as a unnecessary to the story and a little hokey to boot. Aside from that, not a terrible movie.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 01:29 pm:   

Hi, Tracy, I thought the cinematography was awesome. Some of the techical stuff was fantastic. I thought the first scenes were excellent, but the rest of the movie tanked for me because of its narrative inconsistency (why were they afraid of shooting in the car at the farm, and yet fired willy-nilly into another car carrying the pregnant girl during the assasination?, etc.) and too many improbable scenes. I felt the anti-terrorist unit attacking the building at the end might have stopped firing, as they did, but surely one of these men would seen that aquiring the child was important before they could escape. I found it hard to believe that Clive Owen could have walked and rowed with a round from an assault rifle buried in his gut, and I found it impossible to believe that he was completely stoic about it. Those are just a few of the things that threw me out of the movie. The rest are listed on one of the old threads. I simply wasn't able to suspend disbelief in face of these constant reminders that we were watching a film. Others, I'm sure, liked it better than an I. A much more interesting dystopian view is offered by Michael Winterbottom's Code 46, IMO. As to your being tired of bleak, yeah, well...but it's hard to be positive in these times. IT's like a Swedish editor once told me--he said they bought little science fiction, because Swedes didn't believe in the future.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:05 pm:   

who did HARA KIRI? i put the title into the IMDB and got a bunch of titles, so i just want to narrow it down.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:10 pm:   

Masaki Kobayashi...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:23 pm:   

It's really said that so few of Kobayashi's (the greatest Japanese director, imo)films are on dvd, especially his five hour epic Tokyo Trial and his three hour the Fossil and At the Risk of My life.
It's a shame that this greater later work is so infrequently screened. I saw a retropsective in New Yorl over three days at which these and other films were screened, and I had my mind completely blown.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:24 pm:   

It's really sad, I meant...
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:31 pm:   

thanks. apparently the film is under the title SEPPUKU in english, fyi.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:32 pm:   

One of the films I saw at that retrospective was The Thick-Walled Room from a novel by Kobo Abe.

The Human Condition, which ruined his career, being an indictment of Japanese war crimes in Manchuria, is one of the great epics of the cinema. Nine hours, three movies...spectacular.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:47 pm:   

well, have no fear, found a torrent for HARA KIRI. looks like it's an english sub, too, which'll be sweet, if it all works out.
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PM
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:50 pm:   

Wonder if it's a rights issue that's preventing these DVDs from being released.

Wonder if Criterion would be able/interested in releasing them. Wonder if Criterion is aware.

Wonder, wonder, wonder!
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PM
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:52 pm:   

Netflix has it as Harakari.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 05:53 pm:   

Hara Kiri and Kwaidan are out on R1 from Criterion. Last I checked deepdiscount was having a 40% off sale on Criterions.
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PM
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 06:00 pm:   

Should have been kiri instead of kari in my prior post.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 06:04 pm:   

No, PM. I think it has to do that films like the Human Condition and Hara Kiri put him in bad odor with his countrymen and he just never got out there like Kurosawa...

Another great Japanese director, Imamura...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 06:06 pm:   

Oh, yeah. Another great Kobayashi film, Rebellion, is on Criterion, But that doesn't diminish the fact that many of his major films don't even have a DVD.
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PM
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 06:10 pm:   

It would seem at this point in time that even if he's hated in Japan, an international distributor could license his films and release them in other non-Japanese markets.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 06:30 pm:   

I don't know. Maybe Japan exercises tighter control over what's exported....Who can say. But they are great films, as everyone who has seen then can attest. And I, for one, think that Kobayashi's films, many of them, achieve more emotional depth than Kurosawa. And I love Kurosawa.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:02 pm:   

I don't think the problem is the Japanese. I am sure who ever owns rights to those films would love to sell them, but DVD publishers are simply not doing it. Not only with Japanese films, but with films from everywhere....
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 05:31 am:   

Still, it seems weird. However you rank him, this guy was one of the world's great directors, and the fact that several of his major films haven't ever had a dvd release seems to relate to the studied neglect that Kobayashi was subject to during his career. I'm sure you're right, but it just seems weird.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 06:19 am:   

Went over to deepdiscount (thanks, kelly) and bought a few movies -- ratcatcher, clean slate, the burmese harp, the night porter, and the pornographers, which is another great film by Imamura.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 06:44 am:   

Yeah, I haven't seen the Pornographers yet, but have been wanting to.

Actually, looking through Japanese films that interest me, it seems the majority are not available - either on video or dvd.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 06:47 am:   

Hmm. That's true here as well. And it sucks. :-)
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 06:56 am:   

Well we ought to make a list of films we'd like to see on DVD and then email our suggestions to Criterion.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 06:59 am:   

Yeah, I'm sure that will work. But hey, it's worth a try.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

There is a film Mifune did in Mexico called Animas Trujano that I would really like to see...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:17 am:   

Well, lets do a list. For me, Tokyo Trial and the Fossil.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:27 am:   

I'll go for The Secret Sword by Inagaki and the aforementioned Animas Trujano.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:29 am:   

Dodeskaden (spelled so many different ways)

More Ray DVDs. The Apu trilogy.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:29 am:   

also Bandits vs Samurai Squadron
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

actually, the last mentioned is already on dvd I think....sorry.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:34 am:   

I agree with more Ray, but APU isn't on dvd?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:42 am:   

I have both Apu and Dodeskaden on dvd. But more Ray, yes. I don't believe Woman in the Dunes is on DVD.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:01 am:   

I have a dvd of woman in the dunes somewhere I think.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:09 am:   

They must be out of print, now, or something.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:14 am:   

Apu's not on region 1 dvd...nor Dodeskaden.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:29 am:   

Oh, yeah. For a techie, the fact that you don't have an all-region dvd player is suspect. :-)
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:40 am:   

Never claimed to not be suspicious. :-)

I'm just not so fond of paying $30 or more for another region's disc. That's about $10 more than I usually want to pay. (Or I may just wish to rent)

I'd rather get it over here on region 1 where other typical region 1 folk can enjoy.

But yeah I can play just about anything that's playable.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:42 am:   

Whew. I doubted you for a moment. :-)
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jk
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 12:38 pm:   

Just saw there's a movie called Next coming out this year, based on a Philip K. Dick story, directed by that James Bond director who was arrested for soliciting a cop, and starring Nicolas Cage. Ugh. Sounds about as appealing as a Joel Shulmacher movie.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 12:51 pm:   

The Golden Man thing...It has absolute no relevance to the Dick novel...though it's based on the novel. :-)

I may review it.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 01:11 pm:   

The R1 DVDs of Woman in the Dunes and the Apu Trilogy are out-of-print and selling for a pretty penny on the secondary market.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 01:13 pm:   

thanks, kelly....
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 01:27 pm:   

I saw a film called Shinobi no mono (Ninja) this evening...An interesting film marred by terribly translated subtitles. Interestingly one of the female leads was Kyoko Kishida, the creepy lady from Woman of the Dunes.

This was a pretty standard film with occasional flashes of brilliant cinemetography (crows in branches, wind blowing through reeds at night etc.).
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 02:46 pm:   

Huh. Never seen it.

Dave, I looked on the diabolik site, and they said that Manitou was "infamous," which it was for being lousy, and only charged 12 bucks. Anything you find for 12 bucks on a geek site, you know it's low level.


BTW, if you're buying an asian disc, check with yesasia first -- they're usually five bucks cheaper.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   

you know, i really should get a multi region player. region four has gotta be one of the most under populated regions.

on the other hand, the copy of HARA KIRI i have came complete with subtitles, and looks real sweet. hopefully i'll get to watch it tonight.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 07:55 pm:   

"region four has gotta be one of the most under populated regions."

and rightfully so... :-)

That's neat about HK...
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:27 pm:   

yeah, i'm pretty pleased with the HARA KIRI find. the best part is i won't have to sit through none of those commercials that tell me downloading is illegal--i only get them when i buy shit.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:39 pm:   

Yeah, man. Maybe you can find other Kobayashi stuff. I raved on about him enough, but I just love his films.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:42 pm:   

We can tell you that downloading is illegal.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:44 pm:   

if i dig this film, yeah, i will. it wasn't too difficult a find, either, which i reckon will go well for others.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:54 pm:   

I'm kinda thinking you will dig it...


One way or another, his ghost story antho, Kwaidan, should be available....
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 09:02 pm:   

thanks, PM, but i'm fine with illegality at the moment. no need for reminders. later this afternoon maybe i'll hook up the old vcrs and make some pirate copies of old cartoon series.

anyhow, i'm pretty keen to watch it--so i reckon i'll try for tonight, after tutoring. all that talk about OTHELLO might put me in the mood.

:-)
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 09:10 pm:   

But then those who actually buy movies end up absorbing the cost...and if enough folk decide to stop paying altogether then that curtails/ends the movies altogether.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 09:19 pm:   

I buy the movies, most of the time, and I'm okay with downloading. People have been throwing that up for years, that it'll make the movies more expensive thing, and yet this morning I bought 5 Criterion discs for under ninety bucks, which is way cheaper than I've ever paid for Criterions.

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