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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 08:35 pm:   

hate lives on. put it here.
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MarcL
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 09:32 pm:   

Eye h8 rebii 'n ppl who use numb3rs 4 letrz.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 09:38 pm:   

4 goodn3ss s8k3s, 1 do 2.

But why?
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PM
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 09:43 pm:   

I hate shaving.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 09:52 pm:   

Solution: grow a beard. I'm with you.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 10:05 pm:   

I hate folk who put their chewing gum on furniture, sidewalks, etc. Next time try shoving it up the ass. Over time it will make a delightful backend bulge which will surely impress others.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 10:18 pm:   

Wow. That's some solid hate, PM. If I ever hear tell of a chain of abused gum-chewers, I'll know where to turn.
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PM
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 03:12 am:   

Can't describe how disgusting it is to stand outside a shopping center and behold hundreds if not thousands of worn gum spots. The concrete is almost swallowed by it. When the weather is hot then live gum is active. It's a war zone...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:03 am:   

I often stand outside shopping centers and watch the dead gum writhing in the heat...well, actually I don't, but it sounds cool.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:32 am:   

I hate that Hillary was declared the "frontrunner" for the primaries, when they haven't even begun.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:35 am:   

I also hate those banner ads with loops of silhouettes dancing.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:36 am:   

Yeah, I hate that too -- I think she's gonna get stomped. But then the GOP frontrunner is Guliani, which just isn't gonna fly in the long run for the voting populace, so maybe it'll work out....
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:40 am:   

I don't know. I have a hard time understanding why people vote. It seems to depend on who the news networks tell them to vote for.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:52 am:   

Guliani has too many flies on him. He had an affair, hung out with a bunch of gays in NYC...not good for a presidential candidate. We'll likely get McCain, another insane guy. The Dems are so fucked. Here they have a chance, and they're going to run a woman whom Middle America hates. The only wild card is Bill Clinton, how big a positive factor he'll be...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:54 am:   

I hate reporters reporting reports about reporters. This AM, in :30 minutes of TV, I saw GMA reporting about the progress of Bob Woodruff and a big story about some Boston TV anchor with breast cancer. Does being on TV make their suffering special?
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 06:58 am:   

So what do you think about Obama...or Bill Richardson? Any chance?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:00 am:   

I'm going all in for Mike Huckabee...:-)

Even worse than people who dedicate books to cats: People who write books about their pets.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:10 am:   

What's Obama done? He's been a Senator for half a term? No chance. I'd like to see Richardson, but I just don't think he can withstand the Hillary machine...

Dave, I don't know. I kinda liked White Fang. But generally, I concur.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:13 am:   

So, ummm. You really think McCain? Shit, that would suck :-(

I sort of like Richardson better myself. Yeah, not "exciting", but I think I have had enough excitement politically in the past 6 or 7 or more years.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

Will we actually get McCain? I keep hearing that the conservatives in the Republican party don't trust him and view him as a liberal. On the other side, his recent behavior has been alienating the moderates who liked him. On the other hand, I'm not sure the other choices are palatable (perhaps Huckabee is OK).

For the Democrats, Obama is the only candidate I can think of who I don't dislike, but I don't know much about him yet. However, I don't trust the buzz and opinion polls before the primary. Dean was got all the buzz last time and fizzled, while Kerry, who was ignored initially, got the nomination. I hope the situation is repeated a bit, the supposed frontrunner, Hillary, fizzles, and somebody else gets the nomination.

I wish we could vote "None of the above" and force a new election with different candidates.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:30 am:   

I think it's a matter of who's left. True, a lot of Republicans don't like McCain, but what are they gonna do? Huckabee is pretty much an unknown and McCain's a war hero. That's my opinion. Me, I'm gonna hope to be out of the country during the elections.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:35 am:   

That's a good plan, I was out of the country for most of the campaign season before the last presidential election. It was much more relaxing (although everyone I met in Australia wanted to ask me about politics and whether I liked Bush).
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

Hillary stands a snowman's chance in hell of getting elected.

John Edwards took $5 million from folks under investigation for securities fraud for his Georgetown house.

Giuliani is an anti-arts fascist who probably has a whole drawerful of Bernie Kerik-like dirty linen waiting to come out.

Obama is inexperienced.

Richardson and Huckabee are unknowns.

McCain is torn between an independent spirit and paying off markers to his GOP puppetmasters.

Brownback is too dumb even for America.

2008 may be America's "Year Without a President"...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:54 am:   

I don't think McCain is really torn between an independent spirit and paying off puppetmasters. I've grown to doubt an independent spirit ever existed. Even if he did have one, he sold it after he lost the primary to Bush.

I wish the Weekly World News version of the election were true, it would be much more interesting if Hillary had Bigfoot as her running mate.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 08:04 am:   

2008's voter registration slogan may be "Hold Your Nose For Democracy"...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 08:20 am:   

Yeah, relaxed is the key word, Robert. No matter how much you're disinterested in the electoral process, it's like someone is winding you up with a little key in your back. I was think about going to Australia in '08. Maybe I'll make it in the fall.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 11:41 am:   

I don't trust Edwards, for his dealing with scammers and the cookie-cutter sameness of his "Two Americas" speeches. I think his Mr. Sugarbritches appeal to female voters will wear thin, too.

Richardson's Hispanic appeal might be the best chance to win back that swing bloc that was gulled by Bush's "we have brown people in our family" rap.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 11:59 am:   

Obama will prevail for the Dems. Nobody in middle America really cares if their president has accomplished anything politically; they care about how their president makes them feel. And Obama's charasmatic and likable, much more so than Hilary or anyone else since Bill. Obama's primary challenger will be Edwards, who still leads him in the latest Iowa poll by 10%.

Then again, Hilary's got the cash and some-kind-of crazy will to win, so I shoudn't count her out.

I know Republicans who are hardcore into "defense" and the "war on terrorism"; they think McCain's a nut-job because he was a POW in Vietnam (kind of hypocritical of them, if you ask me). Don't count Jeb Bush out, once the media gets over McCain and Guliani.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   

I don't Obama's all that likeable in certain sections of the country. Hillary's got it in the bag.

McCain is a nut job.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 04:57 pm:   

Here's something to hate: the newest television children's safety advocate -- Donna Rice.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 05:02 pm:   

I kinda like that. :-) But I'll hate it if you say so.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 10:11 pm:   

Obama may make people feel warm and fuzzy now, but the closer he gets to the White House, the more people will start freaking out about an Afro-American president...This may be Century 21, but it's still your Daddy's Amerika.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 06:56 am:   

How about this: people who could stare, glassy-eyed, at a film about genocide in Rwanda or Darfur or Armenia, pausing only for the odd Budweiser belch, getting all misty and waxing nostalgic over the death of a horse as though he was a member of the extended family.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 07:00 am:   

Yeah, that always gets me how people can get all misty over a putty cat and ignore human suffering.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 07:08 am:   

But maybe we can't hate that because it's that fundamental indifference that allows us to live. Still and all, you gotta hate it sometimes.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 08:16 am:   

It's not the indifference I'm hating on, it's the conspicuous overgrieving for anyone and anything that happens to land in the media. I felt the same way about people who hitchhiked 500 miles to write poems about the "people's princess" in state house guestbooks when Princess Diana died.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 08:29 am:   

The current discussion makes me think of many movies where dozens (or hundreds) of extras die, but we're supposed to get misty when the sidekick dies. The filmmakers are saying that most of the deaths don't matter, and that always pisses me off.

It's a cliche example, but Return of the Jedi always does this. So many pilots die and nobody cares, but when an ewok dies, we're supposed to care.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 08:49 am:   

Terry Chiavo springs to mind, as well.

Robert, that's one reason I like Ken Loach movies. He handles people dying in a vary egalitarian way.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   

Here's a last word on Barbaro.

How ironic is it that the very industry that created this iconic figure is the industry that has bred horses to be leaner and more fragile and, thus, faster.

It's the public's craving for speed that leads farms to breed fragile horses, which in turn leads to injuries, and euthanasia.

If people really loved horses and wanted them healthy, they would stop shedding all the crocodile tears and simply ban horse racing.

I'll hold my breath until THAT happens.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   

Well, horse racing is more-or-less going the way of boxing, so your outrage may be moot...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:28 pm:   

I wouldn't call it outrage. I watch about one race a year. I'm just pointing out a smidgen of hypocrisy...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:31 pm:   

Although horse racing is getting a second life from advent of the "racino," a horse track at which have been installed blood-sucking, highly profitable slot machines.

Now there is a topic suitable for the most fulsome hating.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:32 pm:   

Oh, yeah. But my pont stands. It's dying quicker than boxing.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:32 pm:   

What is a pont?
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:55 pm:   

A bridge in France.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:57 pm:   

I knew it was something. ;)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:36 am:   

The ongoing war on the English language. Casualties so far: "devastate," "icon," "legend," "firestorm," "in harm's way," "embed," "on the ground."

Eventually, all English words will be denuded of meaning and we will communicate with gutteral grunts.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:38 am:   

What do you mean, casualties?
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:05 pm:   

Words that have been overused, abused and beaten to death in the media so that they have become essentially meaningless.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:05 pm:   

In general, I hate grunting.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:15 pm:   

Well, I don't think devastate and others have been permanently rendered sterile, but I get your point...
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Nicholas Paris
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   

I hate any TV commercial that tries to tell me I'm not a man unless I clog my arteries with pounds of red meat, drive a tank on the expressway, and drink only piss-bland domestic beer. Covers just about every commercial on TV, I guess...

And as for me, I'm still holding out hope that Gore will run and save us all. Seriously. If he runs, he will win the nomination and the presidency, easily. And we'll all be spared Hillary.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:46 pm:   

Me, I just turn the sound off on commercials. :-)

Yeah, well, Gore would be welcome, but I don'tknow
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:19 am:   

Bill Gates buys the Leicester Codex, one of Da Vinci's notebooks, so that he can use it to demonstrate a page-turning feature of Windows Vista.

Bet he uses it for a mousepad at home.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:28 am:   

I actually use a 90 buck limited editiion for a mouse pad so I kinda know how he feels...

But you hate Gates right?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:59 am:   

I didn't, until I read about the Leonardo...Now, yes.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 08:05 am:   

Gate ie eminently hateable.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 01:37 pm:   

After reading all these delicious, many-splendored hates, I felt I had nothing to add. But now you've brought up the all-American Mr. Phoney, Bill Gates, a guy I love to hate. For all Gate's renowned donations to charity, I still recall his wormy selfishness from living in Seattle during a scandal over a water storage caused by Gates and his micro-executives Hilton-ish ways. Gates and his crew were such water gluttons they imperiled the public system serving the whole neighborhood where they lived. Other people apparently didn't have enough water to do their laundry, for chrissakes. I never heard how it was resolved but it left a bitter taste regarding Gates because of the whiney excuses he made. He's a gluttonous pig who has to have it all, all the time, no matter how it affects others.

Getting out the hate feels good. Thanks. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 02:21 pm:   

We may have covered this already, but I read an article yesterday about Sir Bozo of Dublin moving U2's publishing company to the Netherlands to avoid the rollback of an Irish tax exemption. I love guys who tell others where their money should go, but refuse to pay their share.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 02:38 pm:   

Thanks for hating, B...

Yeah, Sir Sonny Bono is an a-hole thru and thru.
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jk
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 03:02 pm:   

If they ever make a bio-pic of Bono's life, Robin Williams should play him.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 03:08 pm:   

:-)

The thing is, it's probably been greenlighted already...
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 03:10 pm:   

A few blocks from my house, I watched as a moron in an SUV, ear glued to his important call, blew through a stop sign in a playground zone and cut off a school bus. Bozo then accelerated through the playground zone just in time to run a red light. The microcephalic actually signalled a left hand turn into a residential neighborhood after the light.

Two weeks ago in the city, an 18 year old BMW driver was ‘distracted’ and flew through a marked crosswalk – past a stopped truck – and hit two pedestrians. The mother suffered numerous broken bones and internal injuries and her 6 year old daughter died at the scene. After a few days, the police pressed a number of charges. It hasn’t been confirmed but the ‘distraction’ was in all likelihood a cell-phone.

You’ve probably guessed I hate cell-phone addicts behind the wheel. Also on the list are the dummies who are plugged into their iPods when driving, and the numbskulls who are find signalling when they change lanes either mentally or physically challenging.

It snowed here last night and it seems every time it does, everyone who flunked driver’s ed feels compelled to get on the street. Sheesh!

I feel better already.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 03:15 pm:   

I guess posting here is the next best thing to getting behind the wheel of a snow plow, rigging a sniper rifle so you can fire one-handed, and going out on the streets to wreak vengeance...

;)
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 03:48 pm:   

Yeah, that would be a little postal. I was thinking more about Alex and his droogs: steal a Hummer and go play some 'Hogs of the Road',
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 03:50 pm:   

"...a little postal..."

Sometimes it's called for...
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 01:51 pm:   

I hate hate, you hating haters, you.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 03:52 pm:   

C'mon, Liz, there's gotta be something that turns your stomach worse than hate....like finding a boil in a bad place or famine or the Washington Times. Search your heart! I know you'll find something. ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 03:56 pm:   

PS -- You can find, for instance, noble hatreds. You can hate man's inhumanity to man, but that's too close to a postive emotion like altruism or a love of justice. You can do it, I know you can.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:07 pm:   

Umm...I think she hates us :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:26 pm:   

Nah! Not LH!
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 08:00 pm:   

on the mobile number... you know, i simply don't give it out for business things. it's just for personal stuff. there's more than a bunch of people who i simply don't give it too. i suggest doing that :-)

or just buy cheap disposable ones for trips.

oh, and i hate love, especially that free wheeling hippy love.

i have a one smiley a post rule.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 08:05 pm:   

:-) :-) :-) :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 08:11 pm:   

it's a personal rule :P
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 08:23 pm:   

Just trying to be offensive. ;)

You see, I don't mind love, even the painful bits. Of course I ever see the last girlfriend again, and I'm sure I will, I'm gonna have a thing or two to say about a thing or two...
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 08:39 pm:   

well, i don't mind love, even free wheeling hippy love. i was just playing off the hate of hate :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 08:50 pm:   

Well, hating hate is just Liz's way of saying she...well, I won't speak for her.

So, freewheeling hippy love, huh? They have in OZ? ")
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 08:51 pm:   

That ") was an attempted :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 09:03 pm:   

yeah, man, freewheeling hippies everywhere. we got places like byron bay, which nowadays is a stop for tourists to buy pot and hemp bags, y'know? but it used to be a hippy town and i guess the hardcore locals have moved on now. there's a few round.

i like freewheeling hippy girls. personally :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 09:13 pm:   

First stop in Australia, Byron Bay. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 09:20 pm:   

heh. i haven't been there since i was a kid, so i don't know how much of a tourist trap it has become now. you could be running out of that place with your hemp pants and bag of pot within a day ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 09:49 pm:   

It's worth a glimpse..or maybe I'll just hit up some Sydney version of a corner boy. ;)
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:06 am:   

I would like to add to the hatred of distracted-driving idiots, hatred of idiot cops who refuse to arrest red-light runners and other menaces, "privacy advocates" who force the removal of red-light cameras, and judges who dole out sentences with the implicit assumption that drivers who pay car taxes are inherently valuable citizens while pedestrians are disposable parasites. For most, vehicular homicide is simply a cost of doing business in today's society.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:15 am:   

Here's something I hate...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6322083.stm

Thanks to monsieur peek...
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:36 am:   

Lucius

I don't get it. You hate the fact that climate change is happening? That it's still being debated? That it's reported?

I hate that our stupid greed has got us into this flipping mess. That my granddaughter may never see polar bears or tigers outside of a zoo. That she'll never get to see the cabins where her mother grew up because most have sunk into the melting permafrost. I hate that humans consume like locusts, pollute everything. Even the lowest insect does not dirty its own nest. I think I'm in permanent shock at how stupid we are about conserving water, air, etc., and I hate the fact that I don't understand the 'beauty' that is more, more, more. How many limos does one person need, for god's sake? How many pairs of shoes? How many jeans? When I hear that Oprah got's two thousand pairs of shoes my head spins. I hate going shopping. It's totally boring.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:48 am:   

No, I'm for global warming. Jesus, Bronwyn.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:03 am:   

"How many limos does one person need, for god's sake?"

Three. You need the off-road one, the normal one, and the hybrid one. :-)

I hate that people still believe global warming is a hoax because Fox news tells them it is. The people who believe it are misinformed. The people who tell them are willfully ignorant or dishonest (or both).
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:09 am:   

People hear what they want to, I know some very intelligent people, college professors and such, who don't believe it.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:22 am:   

Lucius,

I know you're not for global warming . . . I mistakenly thought you were complaining about the press it gets. ;-)

Robert,

Better make that four limos -- one with rocket power so you can make your big escape. :-) As for willful ignorance . . . don't get me going. Denial is bliss, they say. Unless you live downwind, of course. Feels like we're trapped in a room where someone's farted and everybody points at the other guy for making a stink.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:28 am:   

Cool, B.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:34 am:   

Lucius,

You're right. We only hear what validates our actions and desires. Reminds me of the battered woman syndrome: women going back to an abusive partner time and again, believing that this time things will be different.

I must add, however, that virtually all the profs I know at UBC are up in arms over environmental issues. I think because the effects of global warming here in Canada are right in our face. The arctic's dying, and we all know people who are living through that.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:18 am:   

Ever since the first First Stage Alert air pollution scares back in the 1970s, ya kinda had to figure something like this was in the offing.

I'm surprised it's taken this long to come to a head.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:46 am:   

No kidding, Dave. I thought things would come to a head way sooner than this. I hate that it's happening now that I'm old and my bones constantly ache. Back in the 70s I was better prepared, physically and mentally, had more energy to try to save the world. :-) At least back then I could walk 20 miles a day without breaking a sweat. Not anymore.

I hate feeling helpless, I guess. Not being able to turn back the degrading climatic clock that we all saw coming way back then.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 11:20 am:   

I think it's absolutely in the nature of human being and human societies to ignore impending crises until they are imminent.

Another unshakable law of human nature: attention is inversely proportionate to immediate personal impact. Sliver in the foot gets immediate and intensive action; global warming sits on the back burner for decades.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 01:14 pm:   

Sad but true. Kinda reminds me of the dumb tourists driving their winnebagos who'd stop by my friend's cabin on the Dempster Highway to ask why their TV wasn't working, or how far it was to the next McDonald's. Meanwhile the temperature's dropping, snow's piling up and they don't realize the road might not get plowed for over a week. It was fun bartering with them for gas, though. Gotta terrific pair of sunglasses for half a gallon.

Which brings me to one more thing I hate: city folk with gobs of fancy equipment who go to the Yukon thinking they're Great White Hunters. Half of 'em start forest fires; the other half wind up in need of being rescued.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:22 pm:   

i dunno how people can believe climate change isn't going on. i can feel the difference--sydney is a lot drier than it was five years ago, that's for sure, and then there's that drought, and that water in dams here'll run out in five or ten years (or forget the exact number).

i hate how people use the economy as a reason not to do something, though.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:27 pm:   

I'm in Portland, which is a pretty Green/liberal city, and they ran a thing on global warming tonight on the news that made it out to be a 50/50 proposition called Global Warming: Myth or Reality.

Christ.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:14 pm:   

It's like Ben says, they don't want to admit it's happening for financial reasons. funny, that. A couple months back David Suzuki, Canada's renowed environmentalist, published a report in his newsletter from one of the world's most highly respected economists, who said the economic loss in the future due to global warming is in the trillions. I'm positive there are ways to generate energy that we could use right now but they're being repressed. Buried. Just like what happened to Tesla's work, all because he wanted to make electrical energy free. He was shunned by everyone and his work was pretty well buried. I hate that!

Way things are headed we are likely to make one myth a reality -- a world's transformed into infertile dust from our Midas touch.
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Huw
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:28 pm:   

It's definitely hotter than it used to be over here in Taiwan. We haven't had a single really cold day yet this winter. People are wearing t-shirts when they'd normally be wrapped up under three or four layers. It's nearly Chinese New Year, the coldest time of year, for heaven's sakes. Meanwhile, the summers are getting even more uncomfortably hot and humid than ever.

What makes me mad is people who insist that if anything's happening to the climate, it has nothing to do with mankind, and is all just a big coincidence; as if the last century or more of industrialization would have no effect on the planet.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:02 pm:   

in australia, i don't think they'd dare do a fifty fifty article. here, it's kinda like, 'yeah, global warming. right. it's happening. everyone cool with that? good. btw, we didn't sign the kyoto agreement.'

ridiculous, really.

we've got real water problems coming up in this country, and a month or so ago, the prime minster and a few state heads got together and decided to wait and see if anything had changed in april. at least, i think it was april. there were press photos of them pouring water into a glass and smiling.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:15 pm:   

Jesus, talking about smiling in the face of disaster. Well, here nobody gets excited about a 50/50 newscast -- just a different shade of stupid.

Huw, Taiwan sounds seriously unpleasant.

Maybe if we sacrificed Paris Hilton to the rain god...
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 11:40 pm:   

Here in Switzerland it is way warmer than usual. It has only snowed once this year. Some plants are already flowering . . .
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 11:43 pm:   

Huw: Taiwan's weather sounds like Hangzhou (Shanghai). For the past few days everybody's been in shirt sleeves when it should be the coldest time of year.

Supposedly global warming has least impact near the equater... places like Kuala Lumpur are just fucking hot all the time. Oh, shit :-)
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 01:51 am:   

Meanwhile in some parts of the US, folk are freezing. The weather just isn't what folk expect it to be.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 03:40 am:   

Yeah, like Portland. It's been really cold here. Kuala Lumpur for everyone--that would be hellish.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 05:44 am:   

Pittsburgh has been cold. It's the sort of cold I remember from Maine in the 1970s. But aside from this week, Pittsburgh has been warm...winter didn't really start until mid January.

Ben, I recall reading something about Brisbane starting to use recycled sewer water, since they were worried about running out of water.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 06:43 am:   

DC was in the 60s just a few weeks ago. Today it's in the single digits.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 07:15 am:   

Pittsburgh's usually pretty bitter, right?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

Most of the Pittsburgh winters are mild (at least to somebody who grew up in Maine)...temperatures hover around 32. We get some snow, it melts during the day and refreezes at night.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 07:40 am:   

Sacramento CA here, the coldest winter I can remember since moving here. Which would mean it's pretty mild for most of the rest of the country. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 07:47 am:   

Well, Maine...Jesus. That's like Ragnorok up there.

Sacramento sounds like its getting Portland's weather. It was single digits here for all of January.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 07:50 am:   

It hit -41.7 Celsius in Winnipeg yesterday with a light breeze bringing the windchill to -49 C. Coldest day there in a decade. It was a balmy +11 C here in Calgary yesterday with a high of -9 C scheduled today. This will turn all the standing puddles into black ice, and with a skiff of snow hiding them, it should make for an interesting drive around town.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 08:01 am:   

That's worse than normal?
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 08:33 am:   

A little bit worse. :0)

The conditions halve the IQs of quite a few SUV drivers who think they can stop instantly on glare ice just because they drive a Hummer. The other day when we had similar conditions there were two hundred accidents city-wide causing damage, a few quite serious...no one was killed, fortunately.

Tailgaters are doofuses.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 08:57 am:   

Better nuke Paris Hilton. Can we get Dakota Fanning?
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:22 am:   

My Mom's in Sacramento and has said it is very cold for their. My Dad's in Maine and said it was very warm until like two weeks ago. Now I guess it is super cold.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:22 am:   

What's a rain god know? Dakota's cool with me.

Bruce, Calgary sounds like a real garden spot.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:26 am:   

Sacramento hasn't been getting Portland temperatures, in fact I can't remember the last time it was in single digits. We have had a few weeks of below freezing weather, but like I said compared to much of the rest of the country it's still relatively mild. I found it pretty amusing that we actually had an emergency warning when the temperatures started to drop.

Our best season is definitely Spring.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:48 am:   

Well, whatever, it's fucked up, for sure. And very hate-able.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:49 am:   

Well, that might change. There might not be any best seasons anymore. Or any seasons for that matter. Global warming is some scary stuff.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:54 am:   

Indeed, I hate having to get up early in this weather.

I also hate hate hate Bush's new major health cuts, which are in opposition to Schwarzanegger's health care plans (only one hate here). It's going to make the job a pain in the ass.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 10:28 am:   

Vancouver weather has been fairly normal, except for December,when the whole city had to boil tap water for over two weeks, due to increased turbidity in the water caused by unusual rainfall. The storm was called a 'surge event' because it dumped so much water in a brief period that the sewers couldn't handle it, and the water supply became full of sediment. It was gross! Scientists here say that surge events in the weather are appearing more frequently throughout the world and are caused by climate change. Ironically, global warming does not mean it gets hotter everywhere: climate change promotes weather extremes of all types, from drought to floods, to heatwaves and cold crunches. And I read what Rich said earlier, that equatorial regions are the least impacted by climate change; the poles experience the most dramatic change. Anyway, it was water, water everywhere in Van and nary a drop to drink. I don't think there's much doubt that within the next ten years clean drinking water is going to be a huge problem in many parts of the world where it presently is taken for granted. Including the US and Canada. We waste ungodly amounts of clean water every day.

So yeah, sacrificing Paris H to the water gods might stem the tide, give us some breathing space till we can offer up a virgin. At the very least we'd be doing a preemptive strike for the planet, in terms of saved resources, by getting rid of a mindless shopper. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 10:41 am:   

New Hate: Lydia Hearst (NYC socialite)is sponsoring a fashion show for Darfur. Damn am I sick of these celebrities getting oceans of ink and their backs rubbed raw by slapping simply because they opt to "raise consciousness" by doing whatever the hell they would be doing for fun anyway (fashion shows, concerts, parties). Whatever happened to rolling up your sleeves and working for a cause? These people just throw money at whatever is in the headlines (the Post assures us that "Darfur is hot") and not one MIND is changed. Which means, long term, nothing will change.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:06 pm:   

If the Freedom Rides happened today, they would be a $200 a ticket luxury Americruiser ride through the Hamptons, with sponsorships by Tag Heuer and Moet and hors d'oeuvres at every stop.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:14 pm:   

'Bruce, Calgary sounds like a real garden spot.'

It's a decent city acquiring all the problems associated with rampant growth, lack of infrastructure, generally inept civic leaders and the highest car/population ratio in the world.

I still like living here though, even when it's -30 C.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:27 pm:   

-30...that's too much for me, man.

If the freedom rides were happening today, Dave, it'd be a different country.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 02:03 pm:   

robert said,

Ben, I recall reading something about Brisbane starting to use recycled sewer water, since they were worried about running out of water.

yeah, the grey water. it's popping up in a lot of areas, from what i understand. mainly new estates. but yeah, it's here. you use it for watering plants, washing cars, and stuff like that. it's not fit for drinking and so forth, from what i understand.

there's also people putting water tanks on their houses. the tragic thing is people wanted to do that about ten years ago, but if you lived in the cities, it was a no-no, since the water board thought you were stealing business off them. lovely, hey? but there's people trying for all kinds of things, and we're all on water restrictions, and we all hope for rain, and that that rain goes into the dams...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 04:21 pm:   

There was something more than grey water, it was actual black water (i.e. sewer) reclaiming, but I can't find the exact article I read. It may have just been a suggestion for future development.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 05:02 pm:   

yeah, maybe? i know there's more than a few ideas about water recycling going round. there's talk of some delsalination plants as well (bet i spelt that wrong).
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 11:26 am:   

My understanding is that a few places have made tentative steps and/or laws in utilizing grey water -- San Diego is one, I think. I also vaguely recall an article concerning the viruses and bacteria contained in grey water . . . apparently it's not as straight forwardly safe to use as it seems.

I don't know about black water . . . sounds like the plague, or that untreated toilet sludge allegedly used by some Mexican farmers. There's also the pharma drugs flushed into the sytem to be considered -- here in Van the water board has warned people not to dispose of their medications that way. Wasn't there a big story in Britain about the water being polluted with anti-depressants?
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 12:50 pm:   

I was staying at the Radisson in Beijing about six years ago, and it was an alright but not overly opulent hotel...it did have an excellent Swedish dining room, oddly enough. The water in the bathrooms was not drinkable, but they did something very clever in using the grey water from the showers and baths in each room to fill the toilet tanks. I haven't seen that tactic since.

Thinking of Sweden, about two years prior, I was overnighting in the Arlanda Airport north of Stockholm and took the stairs rather than the escalator as it wasn't working. The next day, I was told that it's activated by a treadle just before the initial step in order to save electricity. A quiet stroke of genius, it took eight years before the Calgary Airport Authority installed them throughout the airport. It's surprising that such simple yet lateral-thinking innovations are so slow to be adopted even when there's a reasonably quick pay-back time. I suspect Laziness and it's twin brother, Inertia. Sure hate those guys!
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 04:37 pm:   

Those small strokes of genius are all the hope we got at this point. Most politics of the corporate-industrial complex move one step toward sustainable practice, two back. The lax laws governing the earth-degrading, bottled water industry, for instance, are draining our limited supply of underground aquifers. Hate that . . .
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 04:56 pm:   

I thought most of those companies just filled bottles with tap water, slapped some downhome "Tom's of Maine" horseshit on the label and sold it off to suckers for $4 a bottle.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 05:06 pm:   

Thanks, B, you just reminded me of a long-simmering hate. Nantucket Nectars, Honest Tea, etc. Why does every factory-made, high-fructose-corn-syrup-engorged, pseudo-wholesome form of vending machine soft drink have to come with a "story" about its founders and the circumstances under which they first produced their spew?

"My friend Clarence and I used to peddle our home-squeezed gooseberry lemonade to logging camps from the back of 'Lanny,' my teal-green Volkswagon microbus -- damn, I loved that ride!-- hoping to scrape up enough money to send little Persephone to beauty school. Well, those old lumberjacks liked our concoction so much we sold my uncle's first editions and started One Love Nectars!"

And why do they insist on plastering their label with stupid hippie slogans -- "If you want to make God laff, tell Her your plans!" -- and put little nuggets of wisdom that wouldn't have made the old Ching Chow comics under the caps?

It's all a calculated gambit to make you feel that you are invested in the lives of these warm and fuzzy twerps, probably imaginary, perhaps not, who would just be heartbroken and so very disappointed if you didn't join "the team" and buy their swill.

Hate hate hate. I'd rather drink a Coke. Or better yet, tap water.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 05:24 pm:   

A lot of bottled water is just tap water from a different part of the country. However, bottled water isn't really regulated, so it's not tested to the same extent that tap water is. Plus, apparently chemicals from the bottles seep into the water. Overall it seems worse than tap water, both for health reasons and due to the energy used in making the bottles and transporting them.

Penn & Teller did an episode of their show about bottled water. They made a fake gourmet water restaurant, and served all these different waters from around the world...but all of them were just from the tap in the kitchen. Nobody knew the difference. People just thought the water was good because they were told it was.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   

It's true -- most bottled waters are drawn from municipal taps, poorly regulated. The big bottlers like Coke, Pepsi and Nestle do pump ground water, however. From Sierra Club of Canada News, April, 2006: "In the US, Nestle withdrew nearly 2 billion gallons from ground water sources in 2003 alone." That's just one company. These guys and gals are messing up the indivisible hydrological system of the continent . . wouldn't surprise me, this shit keeps up, that someday soon Canada and the US will squabble over the underground aquifers along the border.

Your simmering hate is very welcome, Dave. :-) Glad to assist.

Penn & Teller got it right that bottled purity is pure fiction. And that people do believe what they're told. I don't necessarily hate that, though. All great writers tell their readers what to see, hear and think. :-)
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 03:37 am:   

I thought this incendiary discussion would have literally exploded by now -- if you guys REALLY hated this stuff, it would have.

I think you're all just pretending to hate these things. Your problem is, you don't hate enough -- even you, Lucius. If you really, truly hated bottled water, you'd have poisoned the bottled water supply by now. That would have brought the right sort of attention to the problem.

You need to read my just-published book, HATE: A USER'S GUIDE, published by Judith Regan's new Lucifer Rising Imprint. Then you'll be able to harness and use your powers for -- well, not for good, that's for sure.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 03:49 am:   

No, I don't think so. I really do hate Carlos Pelas and would assassinate him if given the opportunity. I admit to not giving a feng shui about agua botellada, but I hate lots of stuff and several people. I only sorta hate shrinkwrap, but am pretty solid on guava jelly and infomercials.

Just ordered a copy of Hate: A User's Guide, even though I heard an ugly rumor that the chapter entitled Ticks, Body Lice, and Fourth World Dictators was ghostwritten by David Brin (a famously hate-able object in his own right).
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 04:21 am:   

Yes, Brin was a real coup for us. We're working with him and the guy who invented styrofoam peanuts on a new snack food to be bundled into an enhanced rerelease of THE POSTMAN.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

I hate it when people question the hatefulness of my hate.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 07:47 am:   

Does this Lucifer Rising imprint mean a Jimmy Page soundtrack or lawsuit? :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 07:52 am:   

Now, here's something we can all hate. A Florida comedy club, in response to a public complaint, changes its marquee to advertise Eve Ensler's play, "The Hoohaa Monologues."
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 07:55 am:   

You'll have to ask Liz --I'm not close to Lucifer's people, though I occasionally have drinks with his earthy incarnation, Lucifuge Roficales...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 08:02 am:   

Old Nick barleywine? :D
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

I can only quite al pacino...."So many names!" :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 08:14 am:   

I meant, quote...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 08:29 am:   

I'm reading Bibliomancy right now, so am finding all this terribly surreal. I'd say more but I'm in the wrong thread. :-)
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 08:29 am:   

The secret to sustainable hate is that ya gotta love the act of detestation as though it were an act of creation, nurture it as a self-replicating virus that will hopefully infect others, suck 'em in, so you can feed off their energy.

Seems like it's working, Liz. Never underestimate the magnetic power of hate. Soon you and I will be engaged in a magnificant hate that'll top all hates ever. Just wait and see. :-)
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 11:02 am:   

It is all one thread. See Chapter Three of your User's Guide.

Bronwyn, I could never hate you. Our hoohaas unite us in our struggle against the Enemy of Wimminkind.
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 11:21 am:   

Ohmigod, rest assured I didn't mean you and I will hate each other, Liz . As I recall from meeting you years ago, you're quite loveable. It's partly because of your generous praise of my story, Last Crow, which you critiqued at Clarion, that it was ever sent out.

I meant that our insidious, magnificant spirit of negation shall infect you to join us haters. :-)

Actually, most enemies of wimminkind are too pathetic to inspire my deepest hatred. But I'm working on it.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 11:44 am:   

I just didn't want to infect the hate, ya know, with all sorts of effusive praise. Rather than that, I figured bibliomancy with Bibliomancy would do the trick. So I got "imagine" "electrical" "morphos" That sounds about right. :-)
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 12:45 pm:   

Don't worry, Brownwyn -- I know you're saving your enmity for a good cause.

Ha! Imagine electrical morphos! that's good. But thanks for keeping the hate pure, Mike.

God, I just hate all you guys so much!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 12:51 pm:   

Just imagine how we feel!
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 01:21 pm:   

Yeah, imagine the cynical electrical morphos radiating through this board, worming into optical nerves, corrupting innocent retinas with our wicked hate . . .
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 02:36 pm:   

Not to mention the threat posed to our hoohaas.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 02:50 pm:   

What are you talking about? ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 02:51 pm:   

PS -- I gotta say, Liz, as much as I like the Shangri Las and the Arcade Fire, I hate the Shins.

Just can't do that sugary white boy beatlejuice.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 07:39 pm:   

Actually I was wrong about the weather in Malaysia being relatively stable and untouched by global warming. They just went through period of flooding in the south and now they're expecting a drought.
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 08:13 pm:   

I hate when I post something and it doesn't really post.

All I wanted to do was hate on the Shins. And Radiohead. And Sigur Ros.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 09:13 pm:   

It's better in Hanoi, Rich...

The Shins....yuck. Radiohead...blah! Sigur Ros...yawn.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:15 am:   

I hate the NY Times Op-Eds of Thomas L. Friedman, Maureen Dowd and David Brooks.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 02:09 am:   

I hate the NY TImes...
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:20 am:   

I could never really get Radiohead, but I like some of their songs. Well, one of them, though I don't remember the title.

I hate Rolling Stone magazine, especially now that Paul Wilson's dead.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:26 am:   

i like some radiohead. you know what i've found though? the thom yorke solo album really grows on me. i was kinda ambivilent to it at first, but now i quite like it.

sigur ros' first album was okay, but that was it for me.

you know who i really hate, though? youth group.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:02 am:   

I hate RS too, but in the early days it was the shit and pretty funny. Radiohead just bores me. Heven't heard youth group.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:55 am:   

I can't stand the way the lumpen old-man drones of the news media fawn all over Maureen Dowd like she was Marilyn Monroe. Her diatribes all seem structured around one or two ersatz "clever" one-liners or catch phrases. She's so doggone pleased with herself.

I like Radiohead, especially OK Computer and The Bends. Wedged myself into a hideously overcrowded club to see the wildly hyped Sigur Ros and was bored stupid. Every song has a vocal with a high-pitched whine that sounds like "eeeeeeeeee-ssssssiiiiiiiiiggghhhhhhh". A major major letdown. Like the Shins, tho. They remind me of Winter Hours and the Connells and all my other whiteboy troubador faves from the 80s.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:04 am:   

The Connells were extremely cool, but a lot more ballsy than the Shins who sound to me like wimps on acid...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:13 am:   

I'm very picky when it comes to falsetto vocals, and Sigur Ros just annoy me (York's vocals annoy me too). Plus, I get pissed off that SR can release an album called (), give it no song titles, and the press doesn't call them pretentious twits. And they sing in "Hopelandish," a made up language that seems to consist of cooing. Singing in a made up language and not giving things titles makes me think they don't have anything to say and can't just admit that. There's nothing wrong with vapid bands, but I can't stand vapid bands pretending to be deep.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:35 am:   

Yay, Robert. Tell it like it is!
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:42 am:   

Singing in a made up language is OK only if you're Magma. I'd think that falsetto vocals is a pretty good hate, but then I think of some of that early Who stuff...

I could only come up with a pale hate this morning, I hate the way some drivers stop four or five car lengths behind the car in front of them, especially in busy traffic.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:43 am:   

But, hey, they're from Iceland! You probably don't like Mum either! :-)

Yes, Lucius, I agree. The Connells were ballsier and harder than the Shins. Whatever happened to those guys anyway? They put on a great show.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:48 am:   

I guess they went on to other things. They were one of the few pop bands I absolutely loved, kind of like Uncle Tupelo, before they splintered into two wimpish outfits.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:50 am:   

You hate beginning drivers, Mike, because that's usually the guys who wait that far back.....
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:27 am:   

Never heard Mum. Should I?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:32 am:   

Euuuw!
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:47 am:   

Robert...no. I was being sarcastic!

Lucius, as much as I hope this isn't the case, I hope the law did not claim the Connells. At least two of them, I believe, had law degrees from UNC Chapel Hill.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 09:01 am:   

Hmm. Well, if the law claimed them, at least they were unlawyerly for part of their lives. II knew they had Chapel Hill roots, but didn't know that about the law school. RIP.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 09:05 am:   

Yes, gotta love the Connells :-)

I hate cellphones.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 09:18 am:   

Friends of yours? :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:25 am:   

My Connells research shows most recent disc = 2001's Old School Dropouts. Their official website is pretty lame, but does promise "new shows." The band's last gig thus far was last New Year's Eve in VA Beach. So they do not seem to have given up the ghost although drummer Peele Wimberley has left to work with Park Life and to pursue a career as a recording engineer and the band's profile has diminished.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:46 am:   

Boylan Heights was by far my favorite album.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:05 pm:   

Ditto, altho I still pop on "Upside Down" and "Fun and Games" from the disc of the same name.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:28 pm:   

I've still got my old copy, circa 90....
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:40 pm:   

youth group are responsible for that song associated with the OC, from what i understand. i've watched the OC a couple of times. fuck, now that sucked ass. i was using it to teach english to kids with, so they had me watching that one term, and i had them watching SOUTH PARK the next. they got the better deal.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:46 pm:   

Oh, yeah. they sure did. Well, sure...youth group bites.
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:27 pm:   

I hate ex-girlfriends who made off with good albums of mine.

That's how I lost my copy of Boylan Heights. It makes me sad, but I will crush the coal of my despair into a shining diamond of hate.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:34 pm:   

And then you could buy another copy with that diamond.... :-)
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 07:34 am:   

In this thread, "a new hate" was born.

Will a new thread arise and bring with it a third wave?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 07:53 am:   

In a word, yes. Hate 3: The Renewal.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 06:26 am:   

If it wasn't clear before, I hate Nicolas Cage. And so would you, if you had to watch his new movie.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 07:14 am:   

I take it Ghost Rider isn't an entertaining bad movie, it's just bad?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 07:27 am:   

In the wake of Barack Obama's "audacious" announcement on Saturday, here's some good hate for you.

I hate political candidates who trot their "faith" out like a campaign banner, using it as a prop during campaign season.

Just ask yourself: Would any of the legislators who proclaim their belief in the almighty have acted and voted as they did during the preceding years if they had even the slightest scintilla of belief in a just Creator?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 07:37 am:   

You know, Robert, I'm not sure. I guess if I had been in a better mood, it might have been hilarious. But I was in somewhat of a surly mood, and it just depressed the hell out of me. I didn't see it at a screeniin, I have a screener, so I may take a look at it again and have a better opinion, but at the moment I'd rather have Hannibal Lecter eat my face than watch it again. It's just fucking awful.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

And what, pray tell, is Bamalama's faith?
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 08:10 am:   

I assume it's the same "faith" all candidates use, an unshakeable belief if exactly what 51% of Americans believe in, whatever that is this month.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 08:12 am:   

Well, that's a given. I just wondered if he was Xtian or what?
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Bronwyn Elko
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 09:09 am:   

Seeing Ghost Rider would depress anyone . . .

51% of Americans (and Canadians) believe in whatever version of the bible justifies their lifestyle . . . no blame, no shame.

Code of the Xtian: Ask not what your god can do for you, but what you can do for your god to make Him and Me prosper.

Fresh morning hate: non-profit organizations who tyrannize their client base, corrupt cops, and homeless people with festering sores who insist on kissing me for giving them a lousy buck.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 09:24 am:   

Who says a buck don't buy much anymore? :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 09:27 am:   

He's some denomination of Christian, but I'm not sure which branch he follows (aside from the obvious politician branch).
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 09:29 am:   

Yeah, you can't be a Muslim and run for president, but I had faint hope ...

This election's shaping up to be a real nightmare.
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 05:34 pm:   

I hate bureacracies. I hate the creatures of such who allow their processes to ossify into cyclopean bone caverns wherein echo the lamentations of their supplicants. Fuckers.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 07:03 pm:   

I can celebrate that hate...

But hate seems to be tailing off. When comes the new sure?
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PM
Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 06:58 am:   

I've been saving mine for the third thread of hate...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 07:26 am:   

I hate that...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 08:14 pm:   

Ben, if you're there, how do you work that Cafe Press thing. I have a T-shirt I want to do.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 12:05 am:   

you basically create an account and then upload the image for it, then sells shirts. you have to create the image of what you want (be it words or whatever) before you get in there, but it's mostly pretty simple.

you can pick to have a bit of profit from it or not, but you can only ever make a couple of bucks per shirt or whatever. i just let them sit there without profit for me (cafepress gets some, i'm sure). it's enough just to know people buy them :-)

anyhow, you need anything else, chuck me an email. i'm working through the weekend so i probably won't be checking this board as much.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 06:30 am:   

I'm not interested in a profit, I just want a t-shrit that says what I want it to....

Thanks.

Working through the weekend? My god, man! Get your priorties in order! :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   

sure, man, i got my priorities right: avoid a five day a week job.

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 08:14 pm:   

When you get free entirely of work, you;ll find you've harnessed yerself to the worst boss of all...yourself.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 08:28 pm:   

yeah, i hear that. still, i like me more than i like most of my bosses ;)
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 08:36 pm:   

Where did all the hate go?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 09:49 pm:   

Into hibernation...you know, V Day and all.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 10:00 pm:   

Oh so blame it on love!
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 10:52 pm:   

OK.

I hate Tucker Carlson, that little neocon geek with the bowtie neck used to be on CNN, now on MSNBC. I'd like to wear his cured skin to a party to celebrate the Beast Within....

That's a good hate, right. :-)
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Jeffrey Ford
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 11:40 pm:   

Lucius: Now you're talking. I want to kick him till his bow tie spins.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 11:46 pm:   

Let's get him! ;)

Yeah. I want him bad...
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PM
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 05:13 am:   

Tucker's a libertarian (not a neocon)...but you can still hate him anyway!

In fact he's almost as hated by the right as the left...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 06:35 am:   

Tucker...you're on a first name basis?

He's a liberatian? He was on CNN promoting neocon ideas for years before he went soft sell on MSNBC. I think that's BS.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 06:59 am:   

I don't know who he is but I hate all neocons with bowties.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:06 am:   

Carlson, if you prefer.

Yeah he's a pot smokin' libertarian who opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning.

I don't think the neocons think of him as one of their own.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:10 am:   

I prefer... :-)

He opposed the war...Um, did you ever watch him on CNN? He wasn't opposing it then.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:12 am:   

Brendan, at the very least he's a bow-tie wearing faux neocon.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:14 am:   

Ok, well bow-ties should only be worn in b-films.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

"He opposed the war...Um, did you ever watch him on CNN? He wasn't opposing it then."

I appreciate you mentioning that because he should be held accountable for it.

So I've seen him a time or two on MSNBC where he's evidently given himself an Iraqi war makeover.

I hate just about all the folk who do opinion journalism on tv...and the ones I don't hate I just don't care about.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

Or around the necks of the condemned...
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PM
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:26 am:   

No one should have to wear bow-ties or ties unless they really, really want to...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

There's a Chrysler ad touting some new car and it has a rich guy driving, a guy in the back seat videotaping, and a pretty young woman in the passenger seat...the punchline is the guy in back is a salesman and he says that as part of the deal they replaced the buyer's wife of twenty years with this piping hot fashion model...

I hate that. I hated this dated bullshhit that implies once they hit forty, women aren't beautiful and sexy. I don't ruin my badguy sexist cred that has been put on me by she who may be named later, but I know lots of beautiful forty year olds who're smart and sexy and way.

So fuck you, Chrysler! Get a new ad exec.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:39 am:   

That should read, I don't want to ruin...way cool.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:41 am:   

Amen!

It's well past time for men to recognize that women are more than an end to their penis...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:42 am:   

PM, he was huge booster of the war when he worked for CNN. On Crossfire, he used to make my saliva get all thick and ropy. He toned down his act on MSNBC, tried to get nice points...
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PM
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 07:53 am:   

He calls his show "Tucker" on MSNBC.

I'm glad that Crossfire was canceled. No one looked good on the show. I expected a serious, informed discussion which was not to be...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 08:01 am:   

Blame John Stewart... :-)

None of that TV shit is serious or informed. Maybe some PBS stuff, but the networks...Pah!
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PM
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 11:07 am:   

Is it still fashionable to hate Ben Peek?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 11:33 am:   

Sure, I think so. I hate him. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 03:22 pm:   

yeah, but you gotta have the badge, and it helps to buy the books. you can't really hate ben peek if you don't own his stuff.

;)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 03:32 pm:   

It's like, Oh I don't know, hating Hitler without a swaztika armband. Or hating bald Brittany without owning a moo cow!


:-)

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