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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 04:11 pm:   

There was this columnist for the Detroit Free Press who every Monday wrote a column called Out of My Mind on Monday Moanin. It was a laundry list of things he didn't like. He hated things like yellow gumballs, peanut sauce, dust bunnies...The guy was so cutesy, he infuriated me. I had daydreams in which I treated him roughly. You might say I hated him. Anyway, this is a thread devoted things we hate. Don't like Bushapoids? Put it here. Don't like yours truly or any member of the SF community, their work or their body odor? Say it here without fear of reprisal. Hate your girlfriend's dumbass friends? You know what to do with it. So come on with it. Hate with me.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   

I hate haters. And hate groups. :-)
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Jeffrey Ford
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:15 pm:   

This week, for me, it's Pat Robertson -- the felonious jitbag. Not just Pat either, but all those that have made Pat a millionaire and support his fruit loop bullshit. Ahhh, that feels much better.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:26 pm:   

I hate wallowing in negativity. So I don't do it.

I'm thinking of "hate" as strong disinterest but not an angry or negative state of mind. Anger isn't effective for me.

I hate wasting time and money. Nearly all Hollywood movies for the past so many years are exactly that.

I hate duplicity. That's enough hate for now :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:40 pm:   

i hate the people who blogged 'good riddance' after saddam's show trial hanging
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:42 pm:   

Pat Robertson. A beautiful thing to hate. I recall the early years when, with his black Ed McMahon mumbling "Jesus...Jesus," he would spin a wheel of fortune with the names of small American cities on it, squeeze his eyes shut, as if focusing his mental powers, and intone, "Right now, the power of the lord Jesus Christ is healing a case of gallstones in Quincy, Indiana." A true sleazoid assbag. Did you he was a tax lawyer who was on his way to Brazil where there is no extradition when he found Jaee-sus? I commend you on your hate.

Sean, PM...we're after specifics here. Generic hates are fine in certain situations, but this a hate-specific thread. Thank you.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:53 pm:   

also, i hate those people who can afford an iphone. but i imagine this is more jealousy on my part, masquerading as hate...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:55 pm:   

Good call, Ben. As a connoisieur of hate, you have chosen wisely. Such people are essentially cowards, people without personal force or imagination.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   

I don't even know what an iphone is, but jealous hate s acceptable. This all-demoninational hate thread. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 06:06 pm:   

an iphone is the new thing revealed by apple: a mobile, ipod, and mini web browsing thing all in one. looks sweet. must cost a fortune.

but mostly, i'll still with the first hate. it's more worthy.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 06:20 pm:   

I should mention I hate technology, not for any good reason. Use it all the time, but hate it nonetheless.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 06:22 pm:   

Sorry, Lucius. (I seem to say that a lot. It's like we're married. :-))

I hate assholes who drive too fast and don't give a wide berth (when possible) for joggers and bikers.

I hate students who expect high grades solely because they attend class and 'are nice.'

I hate scientific ignorance, perpetrated largely by our education system, which assumes that students are too dumb to grasp the basics of genetics and geology enough to understand evolution and time scale, and too dumb to understand statistics so they can understand global warming. I also hate people who perpetrate supposed 'debates' regarding the above issues, and the large number of people who cannot understand overwhelming evidence or the meaning of 'theory.' (Gravity's a fucking theory, too.)

I also hate anything with a lower case 'i' in front of it, and the owners of said items.

And Pat Robertson and all his fundamentalist ilk. (See above regarding science.)
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 06:59 pm:   

I hate fake breasts.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 07:48 pm:   

Well, fake breasts have certain advantages, which I won't get into here, but generally I concur.

Sean, good choices. I think we can agree on Pat.

At the moment I particularly hate Carlos Pelas, a rich Nicaraguan pig. But I have several back-up hates, fall-back hates, which I'll get into later on.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 08:16 pm:   

I hate fantasy works that go on forever: Donaldson, McCaffery and Tolkien come to mind. Hundreds of pages of droll "adventure". The word "epic" shouldn't be a synonym for multi-volume.

If you can't tell your story in a thousand pages or less maybe you should consider using a two point font.

Dragons, elves, vampires, and Harry Potter go play with the terrorists...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 08:20 pm:   

If you can't tell your story in a thousand pages or so, you should consider eating a 38 caliber breakfast...
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 08:39 pm:   

after you pay for your meal and let everyone else leave the table...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 05:39 am:   

Pat Robertson is a good choice, but I hate the people who listen to him much more than I hate him.

People who talk about Paris Hilton (I'm including myself, since I'm doing it now). As a culture, we've spent far too much time thinking about her. Forget about her already and move on to something relevant.

Robert Jordan. He killed my interest in epic fantasy, and fantasy in general for a few years. Plus, most of the fantasy readers I know love him, and aren't open to trying other, non-generic authors. I can't count the number of times I try to suggest something else only to be ignored and they pick up the next Jordan (or similar author) instead.

Jerry Seinfeld. I always loathed his show.

Thom Yorke. I can never listen to Radiohead because I always want to throttle him. His voice is like nails on chalkboards to me.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 05:50 am:   

If that were true, we'd have lost Gene Wolfe a long time ago. Besides, I enjoyed the Thomas Covenant and Harry Potter series -- except HP 5, which was atrociously written and plotted.

I also hate that our president is so much a moron that he insists a 'surge' will have an overwhelming positive effect -- and cites Vietnam as an example! (An obvious hate, but there it is.)

I hate that I did as well as a random coin flip in the bowl pool. (Crossing threads, I know.)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 06:48 am:   

I, too, hated seinfeld. A true medoicrity. I never could understand his appeal.

And surges...I hate them.

Radiohead just bores me, but I can understand hating them--it's something along the lines of hating Coldplay, which I do. I once killed a UPS driver who mentioned that he liked them. I drove his truck for a few days to disguise his absence, but otherwise it was fine. A bit of an overreaction, I suppose, but he annoyed me.

Here's something I hate at the moment -- pretentious, puffed up froglings who dabble in writing and call themselves experimentalists and wouldn't know experimentalism if it bit 'em in the ass, who yearn to drink a spiritual absinthe and sip poetry from a moon orchid, and trot out favorable reviews from Screaming Poo Poo (the webzine) on their blogs and have a new broadsheet coming out any year now from Mung Bean Press. Guys like that really grind my ass. These fartblossoms are the equivalent of record store snobs, like Jack Black in High Fidelity.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:05 am:   

I hate waking up before 8 a.m.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:07 am:   

I hate self-obsessed yuppie sh**bags who sit in handicapped seating on morning Metro trains and willfully ignore disabled people who need those seats. Frequently, they cravenly feign sleep to avoid having to notice others, then magically awaken when they reach their stops. Ditto for people who feel compelled to make snarky comments about limping pedestrians, like claiming they are "drunk." Triple ditto for flaming troglodytes who oppose stem cell research. Quad-ditto for fat hellspawn who shake and stammer and make fun of Parkinson's sufferers on television.

Wow, this is the BESTEST THREAD EVER!!!!!
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:09 am:   

I thought Jack Black was the best thing about High Fidelity......And if only Mung Bean Press would be willing to publish my stuff :-(
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

I hate it when women tuck their pants into tall leather boots.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

I kind of like the boot-tucking thing myself, and I always wake before 8. But I empathize with your hate and, yeah, Jack Black was excellent in HF.

You go, Dave! Great hates all. It is a decent thread, isn't it?
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:28 am:   

I don't know, maybe in the US they are doing it less. Here in Southern Switzerland/Northern Italy it is hard to find a woman who is not doing it (really tall boots!) so basically is all you see is a bunch of boots walking around instead of women. . . .

Anyhow, I hate pretty much all trends.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:29 am:   

And yes, I wake up before 8 too. I just hate it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:32 am:   

Okay, here's another one:

I hate the infantilization of American society, the notion that anything that is not suitable for an eight-year old brain is subversive and suspect.

In particular, I hate clapped-out, null-set sell-out rockers who, having run out of ideas sufficiently nuanced to interest their peers, put on rubber noses and oversize shoes and strum "Bingo Was His Name-O" on kid's records designed to spin some easy money out of the "rock and romp" craze, nerd parents who insist on moussing their kids' hair into mohawks and torturing them by forcing them to "rock out" to watered down versions of their adolescent music. Or giving pre-pubes instruments and letting them mime the motions of playing a band's tunes a la "Devo 2.0."

Oh yeah, and I hate the fact that Mike Watt plays bass on the new disc by American Idol kewpie Kelly Clarkson. F***ing sell-out.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:34 am:   

I barely see it at all--hundreds of women doing it would be disturbing.

I like working early mornings, or maybe I'm just used to it. But waking before 8 no longer bothers except on vacation.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:00 am:   

Gadgets. Corporations stroking the yuppie urge to have the latest toy by creating demand for pointless gewgaws. Cell phones. Ipods. Crackberries. iPhones. Sidekicks. From the people who brought you designer water and sport utility vehicles.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:09 am:   

I hate Billy Idol's Christmas album. I didn't buy it, but I listened to pieces and -- dear God!

Currently, I'm making my kids listen to Linkin Park.

I hate folks who say they have a juicy story and then don't tell. :-)

I hate parents who buy Xbox, Playstation, Wii, et cetera, and any motorized vehicle for anyone not wielding (yes, like a weapon) a driver's license. I especially hate those who then bitch how their snot-nosed, glazed-eyed morons aren't getting good grades and are too fat. Not all kids are fat, lazy, or stupid -- and there have always been shitty parents (I don't see a 'golden age' of parenting anymore than that of speculative fiction) -- but Christ on a stick, does no one understand cause and effect?
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Sean Melican
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:10 am:   

Man, this is fun!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:19 am:   

I accept your hate. I can't tell the story because it involves a third party who would be injured, possibly, by the revelation. Suffice it to say, OSC behaved heinously.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:36 am:   

I hate music press. It seems like there are no independent voices anymore (or were there ever independent voices?). I've read too many magazines where reviews are edited to please advertisers. Even articles and interviews are just advertisements for a band's new album or tour.

Even the so-called indie magazines and 'zines seem like corporate whores. They all seem interchangeable, covering the same bands at the same time saying the same things.

I hoped music blogs might be more useful, but almost all of them are just more of the same.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:39 am:   

No sweat, mon frere. I suspect many of us have stories we can't tell for similar reasons. I do, but I would, no kidding, be sued.

As a side note, we've all behaved heinously at some point or another, but some apologize and others do not, so is it the behavior itself or the behavior after that matters more? Particulary, Mel Gibson v. Michael Richards. I hate the continual equating in the media. Gibson cannot blame alcohol for his comments, since there was no initial context. But Richards lashed out at hecklers -- if they'd had lisps surely he'd make queer jokes, and if they'd been fat or ugly or pimply... He was being attacked and was defending himself -- all comics do -- and seized on the most obvious characteristic.

Incidentally, I hate Seinfeld (the TV show) and most Mel Gibson movies.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:45 am:   

There used to be indie voices. Even Rolling Stone, when it first started, was pretty cool. But now...Pah!

Gibson is almost too easy a target now. True, he's loathesome, but it's the sly racism, the kind that does not draw attention to itself, that does the real harm.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:01 am:   

Well, I'll probably draw some hatred for this: I hate passive book and movie criticism, particularly in the genre community (I say "particularly," because that's mostly what I read). I hate that most genre critics give every competently composed genre book a free pass, and that every half-way decent SF movie gets hailed as a masterpiece (i.e. Whedon's Serenity). I hate that everyone knows everyone in the genre community (or so it appears), and therefore every reviewer/critic has a personal (at least tangentially) relationship with the author of the book they're reviewing. I hate that there are so few honest reviews! (Of course, there are always exceptions; I've seen Witcover be pretty brutal in his SciFi Weekly column).

And I'm fully aware there are those that hate complainers like me. :-)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:05 am:   

Thanks to Lucius for giving haters a place to hate.

Most of the salient targets have been pointed out (although I'd like to name Jerry Falwell by name along with Pat Robertson and other members of the Jesus corporation). I'd also like to add the current administration, especially now they won't allow the geologists at the Grand Canyon to tell people how old it is (unless the answer is somewhere around 6000).

Can't stand the indie music press either, especially Pitchfork. Music criticism has taken a major dive since the advent of MTV and image, although I can't say it was much better beforehand. I can't stand music reviews where we're subjected to hearing how cool/uncool the writer thinks the band is, while totally forgetting to talk about the music.

Hate internet forums where people can't just agree to disagree when it comes to aesthetics. Groupthink. Inflexibility.

Monday mornings.

Most American fruit companies, although I'm probably going to think about Lucius' articles every time I reach for a Chiquitita banana at the groceries now.

Strangely, I don't tend to hate a lot of music, I usually either like it or am not all that interested. But then I watched a Marillion DVD over the weekend and realized hate was still possible.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:13 am:   

Try organic bananas.

Most of my targets are very specific,but I think I'll toss out a generic: actors. Let me count the ways. Jim Carrey is now interested in American Prayer. I'll bless his name if he takes it on, but will hate him nonetheless.

Y'know I'm with you on this, Kelly.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:14 am:   

I read Pitchfork daily for a year, hoping they would point me to at least one good band. They never did. I don't hate them, I just don't understand why Pitchfork is thought of as a good site.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:32 am:   

Will do. I must say, though, as someone always who has always been fascinated with Robert Anton Wilson's work, that Carrey's "The Number 23" has an unsual appeal. Don't think it'll get in me the theaters for it though.

BTW is American Prayer still optioned by HBO or is it now being thought of in terms of a movie? Would have been really great to see a new HBO series based on it.

To me fair, Pitchfork does have a good writer or two, but generally it seems to be very indie-rock/hipster. It's just way too easy to be snarky in a music review and usually worth avoiding at any cost as it tends to say more about the writer than the album.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:42 am:   

You know I don't know what's going on with Prayer. It changes daily, and if I tried to keep track, I'd go nuts. But I heard the day before yesterday that Carrey is hot for it.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:57 am:   

To clarify, Prayer was never optioned by HBO, but by Walter Hill, who's a showrunner for HBO.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:26 am:   

Every single adult human being (except the devil's advocate radio host) depicted in the movie JESUS CAMP.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 02:34 pm:   

I hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehateHATE agents, especially ones that pick at you and pick at you and pick at you and pick at you and pick at you and pick at you and pick at you and pick at you and pick at you about little things, and then have the gall to try and pull a fast one about something rather BIG, all the while blithely ignoring how this can poison your relationship with their author. (Why yes, it _has_ been a fun day, why do you ask?)


I don't hate Seinfeld, more ennui, but I do hate the idiots that made it the #1 show in America.

I'll save the rest of my hates, doling them out in small, therapeutic doses. (Oh, wait, I HATE THE CHICAGO BEARS, THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS, AND NOTRE DAME. 'kay, that'll do for now.)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 02:42 pm:   

Bono. Jimmy Buffett. The Washingtonienne. Courtney Love.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 03:11 pm:   

I like my agent.

Jimmy Buffet was okay before he became Mr Florida. AIA was a cool album. The rest, I'll go along with.
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 03:31 pm:   

My hate is a cold muzzle pressed to the back of my skull.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 03:52 pm:   

I usually heat my muzzles before pressing them against the back of my skull, but that's just me.

But seriously, Mark, that's rough.
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 04:05 pm:   

I'll add to that:

IHOP
The crew of Monday Night Football
Urban hipsters whose believe conscientious consumerism elevates them above the hoi polloi
Watching others chew gum
Writing advice
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 04:14 pm:   

Oh yes, the Los Angeles Lakers.
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sharyn november
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 04:19 pm:   

this thread is cheering me up like you wouldn't believe. yay hate!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 04:44 pm:   

Hate and be free! ;) Join in if you want.

The Lakers, Mike? There was a time not so long ago, when Shaq was in LA, those would have been fghtin' words, but now I'm a Heat fan.

Gotta go along with ya on urban hipsters (is there such a thing as a rural hipster?), Mark. And Monday Night Football. And writing advice.

But IHOP, man? I love that silver dollar special!
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Sean Melican
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   

I hate Shaq. No talent: can't dribble, can't shoot a free throw. If I was lucky enough to be as tall and fat as he is, I'd stand in the paint and make umpteen million dollars too.

On one of the early So You Think You Can Dance episodes, there was this cornpone what done thought 'cause he listened to Jay-Z and spun on his ass made him God's gift to breakdancing. So, yeah, there are rural hipsters. Sorta.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 05:11 pm:   

I swore never to argue with another man or woman's hate, but this is pushing the limit. Another time, another thread.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 05:22 pm:   

The TV show 24. It's riddled with logical and technological errors that make me want to punch the writers. The plot twists are ridiculous and mostly just serve to stretch the show to 24 episodes. Everyone can move around Los Angeles at a speed that is impossible in reality.

And worst of all, even though I get pissed off when watching it, I still get tempted to watch each new season.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 05:26 pm:   

Oh, yeah. Hate 24.

You still watching Lost?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 05:36 pm:   

I'll try Lost when it comes back on. Lost just disappoints me when I watch it, 24 actively causes anger in me.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 06:04 pm:   

Yeah, it's butt stupid. But I didn't watch last night. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 06:41 pm:   

i hate the people who hate SEINFELD. it makes me not warm the muzzle of my gun.

also, i hate young adult fiction. especially harry potter. i also might just hate anyone who lists harry potter as their favourite book and they're over sixteen. that shit ain't on.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:14 pm:   

Wow. Really? Sorry, dude.

Hate Harry Potter haters. :-) It ain't fine literature, but it's a rousing good adventure. And, really, is a book that gets kids into reading a bad thing?

Erm -- is this getting too ugly? I hate ugly. I don't hate Ben or Lucius.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:17 pm:   

Let's start with the precept that we all hate everyone else, and than get on from there. ;)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:21 pm:   

no, no, don't get me wrong. i think harry potter is fine for kids. i don't hate it there. it's perfectly fine. it's when you're sitting with a cute girl, and she says, she goes, 'the best books i've read in years is the harry potter stuff,' and she's, like, 25. i hate that.

you got different yuppies than me, lucius. we were all about the shallowness of seinfeld here. :-)

i kinda feel like i drifted outta the hate though. the minute isn't over, is it?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 07:42 pm:   

Understood.

It's easy to drift back again...
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:05 pm:   

"drifted outta the hate"

I don't understand. Hate is the warm embers within the deep dark well of the heart, filling one's soul with light, giving one strength to go on living. Can one drift out of living? I suppose, but I definitely prefer to rage against the dying of the light.

Come back into the light, Ben. Come back! Harry Potter is the most significant piece of literature ever written!!! Whaddaya say to that?
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:09 pm:   

Oh, and definitely this is the mostest bestest thread EVER!

(At least until Lucius finally has his epiphany and becomes President of the BFBFF club...yes, that's right, the Brett Favre's Best Friends Forever Club. Hey, just doin' my part to keep the hate flowin'. Who hates you, baby?)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:11 pm:   

I hate the Green Bay Packers and Grampa Farve.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:15 pm:   

don't worry, minz. i ain't go nowhere. i sell badges of hate.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:25 pm:   

That would make you a hatemonger, yes? ;)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:39 pm:   

if being a hatemonger is wrong, i don't wanna hear it :P
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:19 pm:   

I hate people who make a lot of money.
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Jeffrey Ford
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:31 pm:   

I hate the sniveling lists of grievences of stock boys who've read the classics.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 12:23 am:   

What's a stock boy?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 05:30 am:   

A stockboy is someone who restocks the shelves of groccery or a hardware or some other kind of store whenever they need it.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:01 am:   

So, does Jeff have a particular beef with a particuar stockboy, or is there some additional, derogatory connotation? In other words, why pick 'stockboy' over another occupation?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:10 am:   

Don't question another man's hate, embrace it!
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Jeffrey Ford
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:29 am:   

Sean, Brendan, etc.

That's something I read in Bukowski or based on something I read in Bukowski (he says "stock boy" I'm sure of that) a long time ago (the memory fails), actually, when I was a stock boy. And oh, did I have lists of grievances. One of them was, "I hate the rich." When I saw Brendan's post it all swirled together in my head. Now, years later, my economic status has not increased all that much, but
my hatred in certain areas has. In some cases I'm downright wealthy.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:43 am:   

I hate the fact that "The Knights of Prosperity" was pre-empted for Pres. Dummy's "surge" spiel.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 07:45 am:   

Lucius, I'm a Kings fan, all you'd have to do is remind me of the playoffs and you'd win. :D The Lakers are in the "fun to hate" category. Of course, this year, I'm going to add the Kings to my hate list, they're stinking up the court like noones business this year. And on that note, I hate NBA games where the team you're rooting for stays 4-10 points behind the whole games, makes a run for it at the end and still loses.

Do people really still offer you writing advice? That's a trip :D
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Robert Wexler
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 07:53 am:   

I hate this thread. It's too much fun to read.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 07:54 am:   

Red Sox fans, who whine like bitches for decades about how the Yankees buy the pennant, while they are piling up the second highest payroll in baseball. And the one year they do win it all, every two-bit souse in Southie puffs out his chest and starts offering his baseball expertise to the world like he's Billy Bean.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 08:04 am:   

Not really writing advice, Mike, but they suggest what I SHOULD be writing.

The Kings series...One of my happier moments. :-)

Hey, Robert...

Red Sox Fans. Ecch. When I lived on Nantucket,I wrote a story called Sports in America just to express my loathing of Red Sox Fans...and Celtic fans. I believed I described the aging Larry Bird as resembling "Freddie Kruger with a limp."
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 08:18 am:   

That reminds me of another hate, when musical artists ask me what I think they should be doing better with their music. "Do what thou wilt" is the only answer to that.

I don't hate Shaq, but Kobe makes it easy.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 08:27 am:   

American museums who buy looted objects. I just finished reading THE MEDICI CONSPIRACY and it was an eye-opener. If you walk down to the corner and pay $100 for a stolen TV set, you go to jail. If the Metropolitan Museum pays $2 million for a piece of antique art it knows is looted, its hierarchy becomes the toast of Broadway. It's sleazy, it's unethical and practically all the globe's big museums do it.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 09:34 am:   

Top 10/20/50/whatever lists. Why pick a specific number? If a CD/book/movie is worth listing, list it. Don't cut off lists because you have too many, and don't pad out a list with mediocre stuff just to have a specific number of entries.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 10:37 am:   

The new plan to sell car and watch companies advertising space...on the bottom of airport security trays.

Sometimes corporate America is so damn thick it's unbelievable.

I mean, why not sell ad space on the sides of ambulances and fire trucks? Look at all the exposure some cell phone company missed on 9/11!
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 11:51 am:   

I hate stories/novels that are intentionally YA, especially when they're written by authors I like. If a story gets branded YA after the fact, fine. But otherwise...
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 11:59 am:   

Let me amend that last comment, because I like a lot of stories that were originally published in YA anthos. I hate the idea behind these stories, not necessarily the stories themselves.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   

Ummmm, what's "YA"?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 12:26 pm:   

I hate nutty ex-girlfriends. There was one in New York, a professor at Fordham and a business consultant, perfectly normal, I thought. Attractive, intelligent. Then one day she broke into my apartment to clean it. It probably needed a cleaning, but still...Shortly after that, she told me she was a ninja who could start fires with her eyes. I was in my coke phase at the time, and the last thing I needed was a woman who could incinerate me on a whim. We broke up, and she more-or-less stalked me, calling me up and telling me weird stories, like how the last time she was over, some guy had followed her on the expressway and when she stopped for gas, he accosted her and she beat him up. Freaky. Took me two years to lose her.

Actually, I hate most ex-girlfriends. The sad ones, the ones who treat you like you were an aberrant event in their lives, the ones who feel you betrayed them, etc. But the dingbats are the worst.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 12:27 pm:   

Young Adult...or Your Ass. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 12:47 pm:   

Unicorns as well. Hate 'em.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 01:44 pm:   

That's a good one. Orcs and Hobbits too.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 02:08 pm:   

Orcs and Hobbits and ex-girlfriends?
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 02:12 pm:   

Hell. I used to be a stock boy too. I just didn't know that is what I was doing.

A hate books in which Jews are stockbrokers or money-lenders.

I hate magazines with thin women on their covers.

I hate BMWs driving behind me and flashing me with their brights.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 03:15 pm:   

Can't say I have any ex's I hate. Grit my teeth maybe. :D

Foreigner. Bruce Springsteen (this one may draw both cheers and derision). Whitney Houston.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 03:49 pm:   

i hate women who can incinerate you on a whim. it's always slightly unfair.

also, i hate telstra.

you guys won't know what telstra is, but it's the big phone company out here, and they own all the phone lines, and police them like crazy fucking pirates. if you change your number to a different phone provider, suddenly you don't exist, and ooh, what a bad, bad person you are. you cannot have anything through our phone line. it shall lie there, useless, taunting you. say us telstra pirates.

i hate 'em.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 04:04 pm:   

I also hate Springsteen. When I first heard the opening cut of Born to Run, I thought it was a parody...I saw him once before that, in Ann Arbor, and at the end of his show he did a fake James Brown thing, having a guy lead him off, exhausted, and then breakin away from the guy and running back to do another song. It was disgusting.

Foreigner and Whitney are beneath contempt.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 04:06 pm:   

Telstra. OK. I hate it on principle.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 04:12 pm:   

telstra is one of THE evils in australia.

also, for us being voyueristic, the cops are my neighbour's place again. domestic violence, man, it's a hate.
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sharyn november
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 04:23 pm:   

*waves* i edit YA fiction. i wonder if this means you hate me.

signed, i don't ask authors to change anything they already do for my audience, and have been known to *add* profanity
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 04:33 pm:   

Well, adding profanity is good. No hate here.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 05:00 pm:   

I hated _Firebirds Rising_, but only on opposite day. (Lucius said we can't say we like anything, so...)

I never did understand the whole Springsteen thing. I hate how much they play him on the radio here.

I hate doctors who try to pass the buck on signing paperwork. You don't wanna sign paperwork? Don't be a doctor.

I hate people who are more attractive than I am. (That's a lot o' people.) I hate men who are taller than I am. (Ditto.) I hate that I have hair sprouting from places it shouldn't. I hate that talking to twenty-five-year young (maybe -- maybe she was a tad younger) women makes me feel like a dirty old man, even if I'm just asking them why they're reading Laurell K. Hamilton. (Answer: "I don't know. I just do, y' know?")
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 05:08 pm:   

Hey, I thought you could hate stuff without justification, or reprisal, on this thread? There are a lot of writers/editors in the YA world whose work I respect to no end (Jeffrey Ford, Ellen Datlow, to name a couple). And, the last time I checked, "ideas behind YA fiction" aren't people. So, no, I do not hate you or any specific human being in the YA publishing world. My hate for YA fiction is similar to my hate for Hollywood sequels -- both are motivated, to some degree, by what's more likely to sell. Harry Potter paved the financial way for YA, so now everyone does it. Just one guy's opinion, here. Maybe hate's too strong a word for my feelings, but this seemed like a good venue to express them.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 05:12 pm:   

We support your hate, Kelly.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   

I'm relieved. Wasn't certain if I could go on hating guilt-free. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 05:50 pm:   

you know what i really hate? looking for work.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:30 pm:   

I hate people who blame walking slowly on having short legs. It's not short legs, I've got short legs (short height too), but I walk quickly.

I don't hate Springsteen, but like many popular performers, I don't understand the appeal. I do hate that somebody I consider a mediocre performer is hailed as being a genius or one of the best performers around.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:36 pm:   

I hate the cult of Nirvana. The best, and I mean the best, thing that ever happened to music was him putting a bullet through his head.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:37 pm:   

Ben, yeah, I'd prefer a life of crime, but would likely get caught...

Ever seen him perform. Robert? That might change your mind. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 06:40 pm:   

That's cold, Sean. That's real hate.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 07:25 pm:   

Cold? Look, I don't have a particular hatred of him. But he thought he was too successful. (Oh, I weep. How awful!) So, suicide. Genius. He elevates himself and Nirvana to mythic status -- a perfect correction for that too-successful issue.

There are an awful lot of people who would sacrifice a great deal to have his kind of success. There are a lot of people who take their lives because they aren't successful, or because something is malfunctioning neurologically.

And the man was not a philosopher, prophet, or rebel. His lyrics and writings -- I stood in a bookstore for a while and read pieces of that enormous snow job -- were meaningless. And I don't mean that I disagree with him or dislike his philosophy. I mean that they were literally without meaning. They were semantically empty. Take those poetry magnets you stick to the fridge, mix 'em in a hat, pull 'em out, and you'd get equivalent lyrics.

But he's hailed as a genius!

So. I don't hate Kurt Cobain. I hate the cult of Nirvana. The same way Ben hates adults who think Harry Potter is the best thing they've ever read, I hate the people (and they are a cult) who worship (see?) Kurt Cobain's supposed genius. I'm thankful he died so his musical and lyrical legacy are limited. (Sorry 'bout the alliteration.) There isn't as much opportunity for derivative bands or, worse, tribute bands. (I've no doubt they exist.)
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Sean Melican
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   

I don't particularly care for Bono or Oprah, for example. They do and say stupid things. They sometimes are arrogant and obnoxious. But they don't merely wallow in their fame and money (they do, but not merely) or bemoan how they've become too successful and can't the media just leave them alone? Instead they use their fame and money for what they consider (rightly or wrongly) important problems. They've done well and now they try to do good.

Kurt Cobain wrote stupid lyrics and made a ton of money. He could've lived the life of the rich and famous. (I'd hate him for that, but it'd largely be jealousy.) He could have tried to do good. Instead, he did the stupidest thing imaginable: he put a gun to his head. And now a bunch of morons (it was TIME, I think, that gave his collected ramblings pages of thoughtful analysis, if 'thoughtful analysis' can be applied to sophomoric -- high school, not college sophomore -- fragments) believe that he was a genius worth emulating and endlessly evalulating.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 08:07 pm:   

Wow, sounds like he killed yr puppy. I don't listen to all the shit people say about him, I just dug the band. For the most part, lyrics aren't meant to be read -- Negative Creep is one of my favorite songs, but I doubt I;d bother to read the lyrics. Anyway, it's good you're getting in touch with those feelings. That was this thread is all about. Hate on.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 08:25 pm:   

there was a japanese cover album of nirvana songs released last year that i heard a bit of. i didn't hate it :-)

i do kinda hate bono and oprah, however. just a little. i mean, it'd put them in the book. i especially hate U2 lyrics.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 08:40 pm:   

I used to be in a band called Fuck U2--that should tell you how i feel about them. Oprah should be a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade balloon.

Nirvana for me was Seattle 1995-2000, the whole long-haired, Doc Martin thing. It was cool living there, then. Now, not so much.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 11:37 pm:   

Yeah Nirvana was cool before they were popular. Of course anything popular justifies being hated on that ground alone. That is why I hate anything on the NY Times best seller list. I also hate films that reviewers describe as 'beautiful'. I also hate 'faith' as a concept.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 05:10 am:   

"Take those poetry magnets you stick to the fridge, mix 'em in a hat, pull 'em out, and you'd get equivalent lyrics."

Didn't Madonna do this for one her her albums?
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 07:16 am:   

I hated the publication of Kurt Cobain's doodle-filled notebooks as some sort of literary event. Blatant, transparent exploitation.

I hate people who are better-looking than me. As of this morning, it was two chicks in Brazil, Pia Guerra and George Clooney. :-)

Josh Groban. Norah Jones. Nymphet classical musicians tarted up like Bungalow 8 strumpets.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 07:42 am:   

Josh Groban...yeah. Wow. Good one. Though mymphet classical musicians tarted up like Bungalow 8 stumpets... Hmmm. I'll have to think about that one.

Nirvana was cool before they made it. I thought Bleach was excellent. The sad thing about that time is that, with the exception of Screaming Trees, the best of the grunge bands (live at least) never made it, and had broken up for various reasons before the boom hit.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 07:55 am:   

Let me clarify. I don't hate classical musicians. I don't hate nymphet classical musicians. What I hate is the trend to tart up female classical musicians like booty-shaking hoochie ho's. A classical cellist, at least, should be able to preserve some dignity in the music business.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 08:01 am:   

Why? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 08:29 am:   

Speaking of Madonna, one thing I truly hate is Americans who cultivate a Brit accent. I recall listening to a lecture given by Paul Theroux and when it came time for questions, the only question I wanted to ask was Why the fuck are you talking like a Bond Street tailor? This usually signifies a desire on the part of the accent-grabber to elevate himself above the hoi polloi, but most often it tends to make them a joke. Still, I hate them.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 08:37 am:   

Theroux trashed J.G. Ballard's THE ATROCITY EXHIBITION and, ever since, I've thought of him as a ponce.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 08:39 am:   

The trend for shitty reality TV shows to create "stars" with longer-than-15-minute careers. Some of these turkeys even wind up with their own shows (Rob n' Amber from "Survivor", New York from "Flavor of Love").
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

Judging by the lecture I saw and a brief conversation with him at the cocktail party afterward, Theroux is a total dickwad.
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Robert Wexler
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 09:41 am:   

I hate Sting and Bono. I don't really think about Oprah. Hating Snorah Jones is good.

I don't care about YA. Do I hate it? I'm tired of it being the in thing.

I hate books with ugly interior design/layout.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 10:06 am:   

Go, Robert. I knew beneath that calm exterior lurked a thick vein of hate.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 10:29 am:   

I hate that Robert Anton Wilson had to leave us, even if it was expected. RIP.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 12:30 pm:   

That's how I felt about Don Knotts. Damn it all.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 01:02 pm:   

Oh, Don Knotts. That's a good one too. :-)
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Daniel Ausema
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 02:10 pm:   

Let's see, I hate, I hate, I hate...corporate sponsorships of sporting events. No that's not true--let them sponsor away. I hate that every media outlet feels the need to mention that corporate label everytime they refer to the bowl. If I'm reporting on the results of the Orange Bowl or the Sugar Bowl or whatever, why should I bother mentioning what company paid ridiculous money to have their name in the official logo? (Unless my medium is part of a conglomerate that's somehow connected with whatever company...another thing worthy of hate)

I hate over-blown egos.

I hate people who leave shopping carts in the parking lot and people who stop at red lights in the crosswalk when I'm trying to run down the sidewalk.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 02:22 pm:   

As a member of the board of the Diet Pepsi Twist Bowl Pool, I resent your...Nah! Good job, Daniel. Feel free to come by anytime to villify your least favorite things.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 04:45 pm:   

My favorite was the Gaylord Hotel Music City Bowl. A'ight, it's not PC, but still...

Also, I hate that the Arizona Cardinals (I think that's the right team) refused to have their stadium sponsored and named for the Pink Taco restaurant chain.

Ditto on the shopping cart one. Particularly those who leave it in the space next to the cart return. (But I think if we get on a hate about drivers, we may need a whole new thread.)
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Minz
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 08:40 pm:   

I hate the current body image put forth by current fashion--nothing to do with my preference for a woman with curves and everything to do with bulemia and anorexia. And all the fuckin' designers, and stores, and fashion mags, the entire friggin' industry who've preyed upon young women's insecurity about their body image to the point that young women have literally starved themselves to death, line all those fuckers up and put a bullet in their heads. Then get back to livin' in the real world.

And I do hate seeing bony, angled bodies, male or female don't matter. gives me the heebie-geebies.

(And yes, I'm aware that the industry is finally getting around to acknowledging the problem, though in good ol' corporate-greed-conquers-all USofA, the guidelines are merely suggested. Because you just can't cut into the bling. We're America!)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 08:49 pm:   

I hate penguin movies.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 01:06 am:   

Ditto. I won't see a penguin movie until they have one where the penguins are dying from heat stroke.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 04:19 am:   

I think they got one of those coming...
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 04:25 am:   

i heard the penguins were racist. i told that to one of my friends, who saw it with his kid, but he reckons you got to stretch that to get it. i hate when kids movies aren't easily racist so i can bag on them.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 04:43 am:   

In a book that'll come out one year, probably 2009, I wrote of a certain neighorhood in NYC, "if i hadn't hung out with racists, I wouldn't have hung out at all." Most Hwood movies incorporate a racist subtext, sometimes unintentionally. In other words, hate away. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 01:36 pm:   

cool :-)

what's the book, btw?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 01:47 pm:   

The 'Velt.

It's kind of an autobiographical piece. Like 26 lies, but with more disgusting sex. ;)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 06:22 pm:   

sweet :-)

i really should've put more disgusting sex in mine, but people have been complaining about what's there, so...
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 06:33 pm:   

Really? I should have thought the more disgusting sex the better. I also have lots of disgusting drug abuse--like when I describe blowing out something after a coke binge that turned out to be a piece of my ex-sinus as "petrified macrame."

Now that's disgusting. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 06:38 pm:   

you see, i had pictures. disgusting sex is good, but i have pictures--so i'm burning the mind of people with images of myself naked :-)

(though that said, a lot of people feel disgusted by the cum line)

the sinus is disgusting, though. cool :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 07:02 pm:   

Listen, man, there's so much cum in my...Nah, not really. Just a little. :-)'

But the 'Velt is pretty hardcore.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 07:12 pm:   

i look forward to seeing it.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 07:17 pm:   

I've got about seventy pages left to write, maybe eighty. So whenever I get a gap, probably late summmer, I'll finish it.
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 08:53 am:   

Ben, for $0.49, you too can get a sneak preview of 'The 'Velt' - 8,000 words - at Amazon shorts.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Velt/dp/B000A0F6M2/sr=1-8/qid=1168793461/ref=sr_1_8/10 2-0181832-7898577?ie=UTF8&s=books
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 01:39 pm:   

49 cents?!

heh. thanks bruce.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 06:47 am:   

I hate the fact that the Arizona Cardinals have sold the naming rights to their stadium to a crummy, mass-market correspondence school.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

From the Bidwells, you expected class? Yeah, I hate it, too.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 10:42 am:   

I hate, therefore I am...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 10:48 am:   

You am not!
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:25 am:   

OK, this is kind of a two-for-one.

Pseudo-patriotic bullshit like that cracker-ass John Mellenhead song "This is Our Country," being tatooed on our brains by some car company. "The dream is still alive/One day it will come true..." What dream? Whose dream? A cure for chronic illnesses through stem cell research? The repeal of Roe v. Wade? Legal nationwide civil unions? How dare you insult our intelligence with your simple-minded bromides.

And don't get me started on that hammerheaded advert with a picture of a horse captioned "This is our Limousine" and a rodeo ring "This is our boardroom." Who the hell says so? What about the 99.99% of us who live outside the "real America" who have never twirled a lariat or shovelled shit or branded a cow?

This notion that people with liberal ideals and NE pedigrees or college diplomas are outside the "real America" really gets my goat.

What irony. My grandparents came to this country dirt poor, endured taunts of "kraut," "dago" and "WOP," worked shitty jobs and saved every farthing so that a future generation could get an education and get a piece of the "American Dream." Imagine how stupid they would feel to see that their country had been coopted by media-savvy right wing kooks who manage to convince a nation of no-minds that the very college grads who were supposed to exemplify the American Dream are really a "liberal elite" who are outside the American "mainstream."

Screw Ford or Chevy or whoever and their lousy pickup trucks. And screw John Mellencamp and his phony shitkicker populism.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:22 pm:   

Applause, applause...well-hated!
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Sean Melican
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:25 pm:   

That was so beautiful, it brought tear to my eye.
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Mark Bukovec
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 03:04 pm:   

I hate Jared from the Subway commercials. The whole idea that eating salty meat products is "healthy" is absurd. Although, I do enjoy when they trot him out during the halftime show and overgrown hand-puppets like Terry Bradshaw can't conceal their bored expressions and fake enthusiasm for a sandwich.

I hate Subway in general. I can get a better sandwich at the Vietnamese deli with real meat for a buck.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 03:20 pm:   

I join you your hate for subway and Jared the Hut. They're loathesome, indeed. For those without a vietnamese deli in their present, Taco Time offers a tube of meat for a buck that, while entirely unhealthy, tastes okay. I actually frequent a Vienamese deli when I'm in ny city and must say that Vietmaese sandwhiches are on the whole one of life's great culinary pleasures.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 04:02 pm:   

I'll take Subway over Burger King or McDonalds, but fast food in general is worthy of hatred. I'd much rather get a sandwich from the street vendor who has Vietnamese sandwiches. Too bad she's on the other side of town. Food choices suck near my office, but at least we have choices now. A few years ago, we were next to vacant lots, and there was nothing cheap nearby.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 04:19 pm:   

Where I live there's nothing but a strip mall. But I'm of the firm opinion that every neighborhood should have a Vietnamese sandwich place.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 05:27 pm:   

are these vietnamese sandwiches you speak of pork rolls, perhaps?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 06:01 pm:   

The ones I'm talking about are sandwiches with slices of good bread, and lots of veggies, lots of green veggies sticking out, and meat...they're really excellent. They have an unique flavor, which comes from the seasonings...
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Sean Melican
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 04:10 am:   

Quizno's, I like. They make a wicked good toasted Angus beef cheesesteak. I hate that they're so expensive.

Also, hate nightmares that wake you up 'fore the alarm goes off. What's it mean when an albino scorpion speared upside down on a fork pierces your left index finger?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 04:23 am:   

You ate to much Quizmos? :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 06:15 am:   

Don't hate Subway, per se, but I do hate the bait and switch they pulled, luring Washington's throng of overweight secretaries into their shops with the promise of Jared-style weight loss, only to vigorously promote pastrami, steak and other fatty choices. That's bullshit. But I have a soft spot for the Subway of the 70s, which used to be the hippie hangout in CT, with Little Village doing their radio ads.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 06:17 am:   

I have much deeper hate for Sonic, whose every menu item seems calculated to include some kind of zero-nutrition junk food. A burrito with Fritos in it? I get sick watching their commercials. At least you can get a salad at Subway.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 06:57 am:   

I hate looking for a house. Getting something close to work doesn't seem likely. The neighborhood used to be a working class area, but there's a trendy development next to my office. Thanks to it, we've got yuppified housing - everything for sale is aimed at people with much more money, and much less sense. It's recently "remodeled" places where they slap on vinyl siding and a new carpet, but don't fix the structural problems. I walk by the places and notice the window installation sucks, the roofing jobs aren't good...it's sad when a complete novice like me can notice these problems.

Besides the new development, everyone is saying the neighborhood is "almost trendy," and if it gets repeated enough, people start to believe it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 07:25 am:   

Real estate is the biggest ponzi scheme going. People bid up the prices of modest properties to insane heights, hoping to find a "bigger sucker" on which to flip the property. If there is any sense of divine justice, the US housing bubble will completely pop.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 06:18 pm:   

Fucking goddamn sports fans who tie the size of their johnson to the record of their team!
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 06:40 am:   

That we are spending countless billions on a foolish war in Iraq, but the Treasury Dept. refuses to spend $75 million to make US currency accessible to the blind.
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James A. Ritchie
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 07:24 am:   

I don't think I actually hated anything or anyone until I read this thread.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 07:34 am:   

Glad we could help.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 07:39 am:   

I already vented about Mike Watt playing bass for Kelly Clarkson, but the official end for me came last night, when I saw a commercial using the Buzzcocks' satirical "Everybody's Happy Nowadays."

Who was the commercial for?

The American Association of Retired Persons (AARP).
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 07:45 am:   

Oh, wow! That smarts.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 03:21 pm:   

I'm glad that we're back to hating.

All that sandwich lovin' was just wrong...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 07:41 am:   

Pharmaceutical company drug ads on television. Until a few years ago, you never saw this. Now, instead of the prescribing of drugs for medical ailments being the province of well-trained professionals, Big Pharma is turning it into a consumer-driven phenomenon, whipping up big profits by convincing undereducated consumers that they "need" the latest pill for the vogue ailment du jour. I also hate being prescribed drugs whose names are imprinted on desk blotters, wall calendars, coffee mugs, pens, notepads and other swag in my doctor's office.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 07:46 am:   

You have to admit though, those TV ads are wonderful to paraody.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 07:48 am:   

Oh, btw, the latest tab on the Iraq war is $380 billion, roughly 5000 times the cost to create currency accessible to the sight-impaired.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:01 am:   

SNL did a great drug company ad parody, about :15 of benefits and a minute and a half of crazy, esoteric side effects.

My other thing is consumer products companies creating new problems we never knew we should be concerned about. Toenail fungus? Remember the "Visine Ear-washer"?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 09:31 am:   

Hey, those ear cleaning kits are useful. They are much more pleasant than having a doctor scrape was out of your ear when you can't hear due to wax buildup.

Most of the stuff we've bitched about is minor annoyances. The situation in Iraq, and politics in general, piss me off far more than anything else. And it pissed me off more to know that people won't do everything they can to improve the situation because they are afraid of loosing the next election. They'll let people die rather than risk finding another job.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 12:50 pm:   

... names are imprinted on desk blotters, wall calendars, coffee mugs, pens, notepads and other swag in my doctor's office.

My doctor has a special room for children -- you know, decorated and with toys -- and on the crinkly paper on the exame table? An ad for Cialis.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   

And I'll bet he prescribes it liberally.
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Nicholas Paris
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:27 pm:   

I hate people who don't understand that pointing out the truth is not showing evidence of "liberal bias." I hate religious fanatics of all stripes. I also hate those "moderate" people who consider themselves to be a follower of a particular religion for no reason other than tradition, as if they were born Catholic just as they were born male or female.

I hate George Bush more today than yesterday, but not as much as I will tomorrow...and I hate even more the 30% or so of Americans who, apparently, still approve of him.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 03:06 pm:   

We oughta give Bush his own special hate thread..Nah! That would be too great of an honor.

Is there a band called Two Minute Hate?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 03:45 pm:   

Apparently there is. They had a song on "The Necessary Effect, Screamers Songs Interpreted 2xCD (Extravertigo Recordings/Xeroid Records, 2003, EXTR 10/XER-002)" I have no idea what it is, but I found it thanks to Google.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 04:11 pm:   

Too bad, I wanted it for a fictional band. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 04:47 pm:   

On Chris Matthews, Republican Rep. Eric Cantor was just debating Cong. Jim Moran of N. Va. over Bush's ability to declare war on Iran.

THIS GUY IS FREAKING UNBELIEVABLE!

Our army is stretched to the breaking point in an unpopular, losing effort in Iraq, and HE IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO ATTACK IRAN! I can feel it! And we are not only going to break the military's back in terms of manpower, but we are going to hand Iran a big win. We're not only going to bankrupt the country, we are going to get our ass kicked.

Don't anybody know how to play this here game???
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 05:02 pm:   

i still reckon you can use Two Minute Hate. it's not a real popular band, is it? :-)

i hate sushi rolls that half way through turn into rice and seaweed wrapping.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 05:26 pm:   

Not hardly.

Yeah, I hate that sushi thing, too.

Dave,no Iran...not gonna happen.
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Josh Mitchell
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 09:39 am:   

I hate that my hair started thinning when I was 16. Chewing sounds. Stadiums named after corporations. People who drive slowly in the left lane. Coworkers who don't do their jobs properly, if at all.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 10:28 am:   

It seems like the most popular hate we got in stadiums with coporate names. That's weird.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   

I hate corporations named after stadiums. Wrigley's gum, for example.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   

Oops. Forgot to add: :-)
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 12:01 am:   

I hate tight, concise writing, well developed characters and original plots.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 06:54 am:   

I hate the fucking asterisk. If you're going to swear then swear. None of this L**ius, *uciu*, shit!
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   

I hate people who hide behind their initials...and kittens.
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Sean Melican
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 06:05 pm:   

How does one hide behind a kitten? Seems like that would be a good skill to have.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 06:29 pm:   

Big kitten.

It's easier than hiding behind initials.
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Nicholas Paris
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 09:03 am:   

Lucius: You wanted Two Minutes Hate for a fictional band, I wanted it for a real band! I've always had that on my short list of cool band names till I found out someone beat me to it. Years ago, actually - they've been around for a while. Another hate: Mets fans. I won't even elaborate... And I hate the fact that I just head that Bill Parcells retired.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 09:09 am:   

Okay, I hate Two Minute Hate. :P

Shit, that's a drag about Parcells.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 04:12 pm:   

Read 1984 on the Sony EBook Reader. Hate that nearly every screen has some sort of error. Sometimes two or three on the same screen. I see these errors most everywhere though not always to such an extent. I hate "whatever" is creating this pandemic of perfidious proofreading.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 04:14 pm:   

In general, I hate e-books. Someday someone will get it right, but now...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 08:04 am:   

I hate the phoniness of State of the Union addresses, with politicos on each side choreographing the number of premeditated "standing ovations" to give, and political analysts dissecting the "meaning" of how many times folks from each party got to their feet. And loading the audience with "inspirational" citizens...how is this getting Social Security or Medicare fixed? A load of bullshit.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

I couldn't watch the other night, that's how much I hate them.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 08:36 am:   

I knew I'd get too pissed off if I watched it. I felt Slate had a great quote about the SotU and the Oscars:

The Oscars and the State of the Union are like the senior proms of their respective spheres of influence: overhyped, meaningless, self-congratulatory shams that somehow matter anyway, if only to give us a common target at which to hurl invective, opinions, and wisecracks.
http://www.slate.com/id/2158153/fr/rss/
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 08:46 am:   

I watched a few minutes. When he started introducing Dekembe Motumbo, the woman who invented "Baby Einstein" and the guy who saved the dude on the subway tracks in NYC, I knew I had had enough.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 08:57 am:   

The guy's article had me until he started lavishing praise on Children of Men.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 01:45 pm:   

I hate this Catholic League douchebag who was on TV this AM railing against the First Amendment and the new Dakota Fanning film while admitting that he refused to see the movie first.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 02:14 pm:   

Well, I have to admit that I'm with him on Dakota.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 09:43 am:   

The current mini-vogue for "rehab" for everything from hoovering lines off someone's butt cheeks to text-flirting with teenage pages, to calling co-stars "faggots." I mean, booze and drugs I understand, but are we supposed to believe there's a rehab for pedophilia and homophobia. Yup. 28 days and you're a new man. Come on. Show some stones and own up.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 05:58 pm:   

Plastic packaging that you need a blowtorch and machete to break into.
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Daryl Gregory
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 06:54 pm:   

I hate people who bash Starbucks. They have regular hours, polite staff, hot coffee, and they let me camp out at a table -- and an electrical outlet-- for six hours at a time.
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Daryl Gregory
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 06:57 pm:   

I hate Starbucks. First of all, you are NOT listening to the Starbucks Hear Music Radio Channel on XM or whatever it is. You are listening to a recording that repeats over and over, every frickin' day.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   

A little conflicted, huh, Darryl? :-)

Nicely hated.
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Andrew Fox
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 05:49 am:   

I hate modern toy packaging. In order to ensure that giant containers filled with toy boxes on their way from China can be turned upside-down or whatnot and the toys inside will still remain "display ready" through the cellophane windows in their packaging, the manufacturers pin down each component of each toy with a profusion of demonically twisted wires, plastic clamps, and even metal bolts and screws. It's absolutely ridiculous. You have to budget at least fifteen minutes simply for unpackaging before you can hand your kid the toy to play with.

To someone without kids, this may sound like an exceptionally picayune complaint. But, hey, YOU try getting a Transforming Monster Truck (Becomes Robot in Six Easy Motions!!!) out of the damn box while your three-year-old is climbing all over you and grabbing the box out of your hands and whining that you won't let him play with his toy yet. Add that to the fact that the screwdriver you just retrieved from the utility room doesn't work on the packaging ("Wait, Levi! Wait! Daddy has to go get the 10mm Philips-head screwdriver!"), and you have a recipe for a highly stressful holiday or birthday. And if you have two or three kids all receiving gifts at the same time, you get to double or triple the stress (no, that's wrong; stress from multiple children increases geometrically, not arithmetically).
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:10 am:   

I'm still hating on the fact that you have to be a demolition expert to break into a razor case, but yeah...kids' packaging sucks.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:17 am:   

I ended up breaking a light bulb trying to get it out of the plastic container. And it annoyed me that I needed a knife to open the container that a new knife came in.

I also saw a friend trying to get a Robosapien out of the box. I think it took 30 minutes to get it out.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:30 am:   

Yeah, it's crazy. I've had that knife thing happen to me, too. Fortunately I own no Robotsapiens...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:31 am:   

I hate the fact that Wal Mart portrays itself as a "good neighbor" and good member of the community, hiring lovable little old folks as greeters and propagating their little Zorro low-price rollback commercials while behind the scenes they are shipping in almost all their cheapo products from China and strong-arming suppliers to close US factories and open facilities in China so they can compete for Wal Mart's business.


Polite staff? I was tossed out of a Starbucks by a jackass loser manager who refused to let people finish the drinks they had bought just before the store closed. Had to toss out an entire cup of tea. And it's also bullshit the way they package a CD compilation "songs that influenced WILLIE NELSON..." so that people think they're buying a Willie record when all they are getting is a CD full of public-domain chestnuts.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:36 am:   

I am hating the collapse of the music industry. The whole damn thing has imploded from an expressive, sharing enterprise where people could hear new music on the public airwaves, where cultures could clash through the magic of the boombox, etc. to an insular, narcissistic little endeavor, with hipsters swaddling themselves in self-satisfied ipod sound. I am especially hating the death of the neighborhood music store. In my neck of the woods, they have been driven out of existence by skyrocketing real estate prices (the only people who can afford to sell music are chains like Starbucks with corporate backing). With no place for music lovers to congregate and share ideas, is it any wonder than the pop music world is dominated by prefab guano?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:42 am:   

I believe Prefab Guano has the number 1 single right now...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:53 am:   

Yes, it's a remake of "The Safety Dance," I think...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 07:01 am:   

Music lovers still congregate and share ideas, but it's all online now. They join insular "communities" that only have knowledge of one small sub-genre of music. I'm often disappointed that bands that sound almost like somebody I like are completely unknown because they come from a different background. None of the electronica fans I know have heard of Ulver (Ulver only gets covered in metal magazines, despite only having 2 metal albums but many more electronic albums). Many indie rock fans love The Flaming Lips, but wouldn't be caught dead listening to Yes. I can't count the number of times I've heard somebody describe some post-rock band as innovative, even though they are just retreading the the same ground prog bands covered in the 70s. But those things are outside the limited knowledge of the online communities, so they don't get noticed.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 07:05 am:   

And those communities can get nasty. Lots of namecalling and shit. The Internet makes crazy people crazier, I swear it does.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 07:23 am:   

It does. In those little groups, most people agree (or find other groups), so you just end up talking to people with similar ideas, and you reinforce them the ideas.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 07:33 am:   

I googled Micke McLatchey's name the other day to find his group and there was some guy hating on him for his taste, for god's sake. Because he liked a certain music. Rational Discourse may be the ultimate victim of the Web.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 07:40 am:   

Something about the anonymity the Web affords makes people with big mouths even more obnoxious. The community music store was a haven for reasoned discourse because if you hated imprudently, you had to actually face the people you offended (happened to me more than once!). Also, you were building relationships with neighborhood people who could become bandmates, club-hopping buddies, etc. People are just now realizing that the Web is no replacement for human contact. The connections you make are a mile wide, but truly only an inch deep.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 07:55 am:   

It's the Telephone Tough-Guy syndrome. People can say shit online from the safety of their mildewing basements that would get their faces smashed in out in public. I hate those weaselly fuckers!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:12 am:   

Yeah, that's it to a certain extent, but I think it's also something subtler -- the Internet gives the inarticulate a voice, it convinces them they're intelligent.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:19 am:   

With no filter between the writer and the public, Joe Turkeyballs of East Orange, NJ can design a website the looks and reads and performs just like Stephen Hawking's. And, he thinks, therefore, my views must be just as profound as his!
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:20 am:   

Lucius, as cocreator of Gnosis I've made a few people upset for insisting on keeping it musically eclectic rather than turning it into a shrine for symphonic progressive rock groups (which don't really interest me so much). I must have asked the question a zillion times over the last five years, why would I be involved in working on a project I wouldn't be interested in, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone answer the question. I file most of it in the "that which doesn't kill you..." file. Of course getting stalked isn't any fun, but I just try to keep a sense of humor about it.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:21 am:   

Yup. And don't be dissin' Joe Turkeyballs. :-)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:27 am:   

I know Joe Turkeyballs, he's the guy who goes around the forums calling great albums "overrated" and taking the time out to explain the obvious in excruciating detail. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:45 am:   

You're a better man than me, Mike. I'd be comingthrough the screen after those creeps.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

There's a certain tedium that sets in after it happens enough. It's easy for any internet critic to say something sucks or to waste half a review dealing with the "scene perception" of something, but often all you have to is say "why do you think it sucks?" and then you're left watching the equivalent of a beached fish flopping about on a pier.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:17 am:   

I hate coffee when the milk is poured in after the coffee. It should be poured in first.

I hate chicken breast. Good meat always has bones and fat.

I hate paying more than 3 or 4 bucks for a drink at a bar. In the US is seems like people pay tons for wine at bars and restaurants and the wine usually sucks.

I hate anything that is labelled "gourmet".

I hate goatees.

I hate dogs.

I hate cats.

I hate hearing people baby talk their animals.

I hate hearing people baby talk their children.

I hate people who support the death penalty but don't have the balls to do the act themselves.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:18 am:   

I've had that experience. Yet it never fails to infuriate. I guess it hasn't happened enough.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:23 am:   

I'm totally with you on Cats, Brendan. The trouble is cats seem to like me. I guess I kind of like dogs as long as I don't have to bathe them. All the rest...yeah! Fuck a bunch of baby-talkin', death penalty affirming gourmands.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:24 am:   

Unfortunately, being infuriating is often what they want (and withholding that a perfect counterattack). A lot of it's just attention seeking.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:34 am:   

Yeah, cats love me too....
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:51 am:   

Mike, I know, but yet I'm tempted...

Brendan, it's horrible. You want to backhand the little sons of bitches off your lap, but if you do you may lose a friend or not get laid.... :-)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:58 am:   

Cats can be horribly jealous of girlfriends. I remember lying on an ex's bed once, only for her cat to literally pounce from beneath the bed to the top, rake claws and draw blood on my hand and disappear all within a matter of seconds.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 10:40 am:   

Yes, you sort of have to smile as they dig their claws into you....or, in the case of dogs, as they slobber all over your new shoes and stick their wet noses in your groin....

But maybe my dog hate is not welcome, since they are a popular target for sympathy.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 10:49 am:   

I've had a couple of dogs I've liked, but no hate is unwelcome... :-)

Cats are terrorist rats, Mike. Cute vermin.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 10:52 am:   

Ten minutes in a room with a cat and my eyes turn red and itchy. There have been times I'd have traded it straight for a scracth.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 11:08 am:   

I hate some dogs...particularly the small, yapping ones. It's even worse when people treat such animals like (spoiled) children. I grew up with dogs so my hate isn't universal.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 11:21 am:   

yep. yappy dogs suck.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 12:12 pm:   

I'm with you on small dogs, they make me think "punt."
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 12:31 pm:   

I came to hate small dogs as a newspaper boy. I actually did punt one once.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 12:51 pm:   

We used to have one next door when I was a kid, a little mangy poodle, one of those that waits until your back is turned before it goes after your heels. One day it was lounging out in the sun, dreaming doggy dreams, so I decided to creep up behind it and scare the living shit out of it and did. Later that day my mother was talking to the owner, who had just got back from taking the dog to the vet, because it had lost bowel control.

So I scored one for all of us. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 12:59 pm:   

I generally like black poodles. The white ones are a little sketchy. High strung and psycho. The blondes of the doggy world.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 01:06 pm:   

Heh, I could have been looking directly at this poodle and still probably wouldn't have been able to tell you what color it was!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 05:01 pm:   

It was the exploding kaliedoscopic kind, huh?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 05:06 pm:   

Ha :D No it was an orange/beige/dirt sort of
m(el)ange.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 05:23 pm:   

I was close!
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 08:30 am:   

I hate the Beast of Sloggoth, Peyton Manning. Yes I do. Hate him with great hate.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 02:08 pm:   

i hate writers who dedicate their books to cats
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 02:10 pm:   

Who would do such a thing?
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   

i seem to recall a fantasy author who did it--though im totally blanking on the name. but, even if i am proved wrong, and it's never done, i'll just put this hate there, waiting :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 03:10 pm:   

Good idea.

Was it andre norton? Seems to me she might have done.

Whatever, sooner or later, somebody's bound to do it again and boy will they be sorry! :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 03:51 pm:   

i've never read any andre norton. i think it might have been lynn abbey, but don't quote me on that.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 03:56 pm:   

lynn abbey...

Wow. There's a nutbar. She used to buy comcs at the same store as me in Ann Arbor...

Many stories, but can't tell 'em except in person.

You coming to the States anytime?
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 04:07 pm:   

i like some of abbey's books when i was young. dunno how well they'll hold up now, but they were okay at the time.

i dunno about the states. i'm going to try and aim for worldcon at the end of the year--or whatever the one in new york is called. friend of mine is keen to travel a bit, so we reckon we might do a bit of a stint in the states round that time, since neither of us has been. but it all depends on how money works out this year--same old story of never having enough, you know?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 04:13 pm:   

The one in New York -- World Fantasy Con. Great. Hope you make it. If not, I try and come pester you next anno.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 04:28 pm:   

yeah, world fantasy. i'm always getting them mixed. but we'll see. i'm hoping it'll work out... otherwise, yeah, man, pester away :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 04:35 pm:   

I'm gonna try to find a gig that takes me Austraila-wards...

We'll see. Maybe I'll go Girls Of Perth fo Playboy....
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 04:52 pm:   

just don't go drinking the water down there. from what i hear you got to boil it first.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 05:06 pm:   

Okay. Noted. Maybe I'll skip Perth. Girls of the Outback.

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