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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 06:32 pm:   

"The thing is, Christian Bale is British. :-)"

That's .... stunning. Is he good in anything?
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 06:34 pm:   

Christian Bale is brilliant in AMERICAN PSYCHO.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 06:51 pm:   

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that. American Psycho was, to my mind, stunningly odinary. But I've seen some British films in which Bale has done work that more than competent. In the Prestige, he must have been trying for an accent of a certain type and had a few lapses.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 08:32 pm:   

Good to know, thanks.

IMDB says he was born in Wales. I have no idea if that's his natural accent. His accent in the movie, I'm not sure if I could describe it exactly, but it wasn't Welsh.
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Huw
Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 08:51 pm:   

He was born twenty minutes down the road from where my family hail from in Pembrokeshire (south-west Wales). He doesn't have a Welsh accent, though. Traitor. ;-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 06:36 am:   

A welch accent....that something like a horse munching an apple, right. ;)
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:07 am:   

Well, I found Bales' performance in AMERICAN PSYCHO to be at times comical, frightening, and heartfelt. To these eyes, hardly the recipe for "stunningly ordinary." But, to each their own.

He also deserves some credit for his performance in THE MACHINIST. I can think of a lot of actors in Hollywood whom deserve dissing. I don't feel that Bale belongs on the top of that list.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:29 am:   

I wasn't dissing bale. I just think AP, as mounted, was a rather lucicrous film. The Machinist was interesting for a while, but devolved into an ending that I saw coming a mile off. Bale is one of those actors who, imo, has yet to find a Hollywood role capable of bringing out the best in him.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 02:07 pm:   

i kinda thought AMERICAN PSYCHO was an ordinary film as well. not as long as a the book, tho, so there was that. (it had a really superb movie poster though. i got one from the cinema i was working at cause it was so groovey.) but overall, it was a kind of 'eh' thing.

i remember seeing bale in some crumbled, all is bad future where dragons had destroyed the world and matthew mchounowhatnot was killing them in his tank. that was kinda funny in a b-grade way, but hardly an exercise in acting.

bale's accent was consistent, tho :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 02:21 pm:   

I've seen bale in a couple of Bit working class flicks in which he was pretty good, but not much in America. Yeah, that dragon pic was kind of a hoot.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 03:32 pm:   

Reign of Fire...Bale in a film based on a video game. At least it wasn't Uwe Boll.

The accents didn't bother me in Prestige. However, they did bother me in the Lord of the Rings films. The American actors had some funny disappearing/reappearing accents. Viggo had the most inconsistent accent.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 04:04 pm:   

Yeah, Reign pf Fire. Better than Boll. A little better. The supersonic dragons were kinda cool.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 04:26 pm:   

The Host due to be released Dec 27.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 05:14 pm:   

I recently saw BloodRayne. While Alone in the Dark was uninteresting bad, BloodRayne was much closer to unintentional comedy. The plot was about as non-sensical as many video games.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 05:53 pm:   

Yeah, Bloodrayne was a pretty special movie. :-)
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MarcL
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 06:36 pm:   

Made my way through MANDERLAY over the last few nights. I liked it in spite of itself. John Hurt's droll narrative was great; the twists were also good. I can't wait for whatever comes last in the American Trilogy.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:02 pm:   

IMO, Von Triers vision of America grows ever less grounded in reality. Manderlay and his anti-gun film were almost equally rightminded yet ignorantly posed. It's my hope that the American trilogy is never concluded, that he gets back to making great films about subjects over which he has a firm grasp and ceases being an uniformed ideologue. But that's just me. :-)
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MarcL
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:43 pm:   

I don't feel they're really about America, though, or that their ostensible theme is all that important. They're more about Grace. Also, for a movie with one absolutely barebones set, there were some stunning visual moments...more eye-candy in this than in Dogville. Anyway, he still hasn't let me down. There are a few more LVT in my Netflix queue that I've yet to see.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 10:15 pm:   

Well, he says they're about America. I believe him. As for not letting you down, better stay away from his anti-gun movie. another movie that's not about America.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:15 pm:   

yeah, i wouldn't exactly take that quote as a representation of mieville's movie taste. it's fun, and there are supersonic dragons, though my favourite are the divers who leap out of planes to net them... but well, good? nah. fun. sure. i'm pretty sure mcconaughey left that film with scenery between his teeth.

BLOODRAYNE is a special flick, tho i recently saw ALONE INT HE DARK. it made absolutely no sense. it was kinda impressive in how little cohesiveness it had.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 07:16 am:   

House of the Dead remains Boll's anti-masterpiece. with its flashes of the video game intercut into the movie.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 10:22 am:   

Saving me money, while making me laugh ... Thanks Lucius!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 10:43 am:   

Mike, and here I thought I was being kind. I tried to be. Aronofsky should be encouraged in his ambition.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 10:52 am:   

In the list of Aronofsky productions that never materialized, he was slated to direct an episode of Lost, but that didn't happen.

I though the Fountain was OK. Not great, like his two previous films. At the end, I wasn't sure if the future segment was part of the novel, or real within the film. I leaned towards the former, but I wasn't positive.

I also wondered what it would have been like in the original version. I can't picture Pitt in the role.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:02 am:   

Can you picture him as Achilles? :-)


Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the last part was the final chapter of the novel that Tommy finished. Made a great yoga video.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:24 am:   

I can't picture him as Achilles either. And I can't picture llamas being in Troy, but Wolfgang Peterson had a shot that had one.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:39 am:   

Well, Wolfgang Peterson has the benefit of stupidity, doesn't he? :-)

I'm kid looking forward to Turistas. I know, I know. But I've had a couple of near-Turista experiences in Cent Am, so I know that shit can happen. Not that shit, maybe, but shit...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 12:20 pm:   

I was referring more to the Deja-Vu part than the Fountain part, but I didn't get an impression the latter was a great movie, or at least it's one I feel OK waiting on the DVD for.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 02:43 pm:   

Yeah, Mike...DVD the Fountain and keep the off switch handy.
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MarcL
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 02:49 pm:   

Turistas looks like The Ruins without vegetation.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 03:09 pm:   

It does. But hey, it's a guilty plaesure for me. I can't tell you how many times someone has said to me down there, Hey, why don't we go on my boat, my plane, etc, and I've caught a bad smell and said No. i know I've been close to the devil...but I've been lucky or something, and the invitations I've accepted have only gone wrong once....
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 04:56 pm:   

Gotta ask, Lucius, what are the other two thrillers on your list? I just read FLICKER this year and thought it was great, too.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 04:59 pm:   

Stone City and Gorky Park.
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MarcL
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 06:28 pm:   

Okay, now I have to read FLICKER.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 06:42 pm:   

You haven't read Flicker? Oh, yeah. You sorta have to...
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 07:37 pm:   

Thanks Lucius.
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jk
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 07:59 pm:   

I liked Flicker too, but in the book he was referring to MTV, but it was only the early to mid 70's, and MTV didn't start until 1981 or so. He was also referring to punk rock and stuff and it was supposed to be the early seventies in the book and punk rock hadn't started until about 1976 or 1977.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 08:04 pm:   

Poetic license. :-)
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 08:28 pm:   

Also, Roszak never cites specific dates in the book. That was one of the elements I liked about it; he pushed through the 20th century without name-checking the usual historical touchstones. It's like the narrator is so obsessed with Max Castle and his movies that he cannot see outside of that tunnel.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 02:28 am:   

i've not read FLICKER either... to amazon, yes.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:02 am:   

Flicker's pretty cool. I kinda think you'd appreciate it....
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:24 am:   

sounds alright. i'll add it to the next amazon order i do. least it'll stop me from reading another james bond book...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:36 am:   

Any new hot Austrailian movies? I'm alsways on the lookout for something to watch.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:45 am:   

not that i know of. cinema has been really dead here, and i've been a bit on the broke side, so i've just been avoiding it.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 06:53 am:   

That's too bad. When you guys put it together (Lantana, etc.) you do great work.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 07:29 am:   

Don't know why I went to THE FOUNTAIN.

It would have been a better (and still not a great) short. The score seems to reinforce this. The same musical passage over and over again.

The film is flawed so obviously flawed that surely this didn't escape the director. I'll be curious to see if the DVD commentary offers an explanation.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 07:38 am:   

Yeah, the Fountain sucked but its ambition, at least, was commendable.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that explanation.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 07:50 am:   

Anyone checked out this French stop-motion film, kind of futuristic noir thing, called Renaissance?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 08:08 am:   

I've seen the trailer for Renaissance, and I'll be able to see it in a week.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 08:19 am:   

I hear it's visually stunning but dramatically inert.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 08:21 am:   

I've seen RENAISSANCE and discussed it in an earlier thread.

It's eye candy. The story is banal. There are a few transitions in the film which make one wonder.

See it to say that you saw it and wonder why the storytelling/editing wasn't straightened up.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 08:21 am:   

Yeah, I know, Lucius, you tried to turn me on to FLICKER and I haven't read it yet. I finally have a space in my books-to-be-read dance card and it's between FLICKER and Sir Kenneth Clark's monograph on Da Vinci.

I am totally with you on TURISTAS. Nothing like a good, no-holds-barred slasher flick to get out those frustrations and TURISTAS should be the one. Interesting sidelight is the Brazilian tourism ministry is apparently all up in arms about the "life is cheap" portrayal of Brazil...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 08:28 am:   

You mean. life isn't cheap in brazil? You're a little more enthusiastic than I on Turistas, but I'm going to see it...


Take a chance, Dave. Give Flicker a try.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 09:10 am:   

Oh, I have no doubt it's a good book. For me, it's just a scheduling issue...

Yeah, I get a little enthusiastic about the slasher flicks sometimes. Should I be worried? :-)

One of my local watering holes has a waitress from Brazil who gets a bit flustered over Brazils bad US pr...Kind of funny to needle her about it.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 09:13 am:   

From what I hear, the slasher aspects of Turistas are overhyped, and it's more of a thought piece... :-)

A waitress FROM Brazil...that says it all, huh?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 10:41 am:   

Nothing breaks the ice quite like carefully sculpted US hardbody teens being farmed for their black-market organs.

Guess I've always been a romantic...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 11:27 am:   

Apparently there's only one gory scene, so you may be disappointed
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MarcL
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 11:58 am:   

The appeal of Flicker is that Stone City and Gorky Park are in my list of top thrillers.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 12:47 pm:   

Uh, ok.... ;)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:17 pm:   

lawrence, who made LANTANA, had a new film out this year called JINDABYNE, if you haven't heard. i've not seen it, tho i meant to. i'll wait for dvd, tho, and rent it.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:21 pm:   

I did not know that. I'll look for it straightaway.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   

Huh, based on a ray carver story. Hey, Ben...let me know when it comes out on dvd.

28 days til the Host.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 04:05 pm:   

yeah, i didn't know the raymond carver bit till i looked it up, too. sorry i missed. i reckon it should be hitting dvd soon--i'll let you know when i see it.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 04:06 pm:   

Thanks, man....
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 06:50 am:   

Lucius, you will be happy to know I started FLICKER last night. I am 50 pages in and hooked!
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 06:52 am:   

LANTANA with Anthony LaPaglia, was quite good, I thought.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 07:05 am:   

I knew you would be. :-)

Lantana was excellent.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 09:16 pm:   

Just ordered Bliss, Lawrence's first movie, based on a peter carey novel. Looks interesting.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 09:56 pm:   

i quite like carey's books. BLISS is cool. be sure to tell us how the movie goes.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 10:33 pm:   

Will do.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 01:53 am:   

I wonder why Lawrence waited 16 years between movies. He made Bliss in 85.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 07:56 pm:   

apparently he couldn't get funding. he makes commercials, so he went back to doing that, but couldn't get any money to make films that weren't commercials, or some such thing.

don't imagine he has the same problem these days, however.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 07:58 pm:   

Huh, sort of like Victor Nunez (Ulee's Gold, Ruby In Paradise) over here.

No, but he's still kinda leisurely.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 08:10 pm:   

Watching a mini-series (4 hrs) by Walter Hill, Broken Trail, starring Robert Duvall and one of my favorite character actors, Thomas Hayden Church, about a rancher (Duval) and his estranged nephew (Church) who end up protecting five Chinese girls who've been sold into slavery. Pretty damn good western.
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MarcL
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 08:51 pm:   

Yeah, I heard Broken Trail was a really good Western. I've still got Hidden Blade and now Forbidden Games waiting to be watched--but the house is overrun with kids tonight, and I won't be watching nothing. And I don't want to talk about what I just had to sit through at the local movieplex. Let's just say, if Danny Devito sticks to drunken appearances on talk shows from now on, he will have earned my respect. That sort of thing is honest work by comparison to his theatrical appearances.

Lucius, I think you have my email address...drop me a line with yours, and I'll get your snailmail address in order to send you something akin to an early secular xmas present, dvdwise. (A recent computer crash wiped out a random assortment of addresses in my email history.)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 08:57 pm:   

God help you, Marc, because it's clear that fate has not done well by you. :-) I feel your pain.


I had a computer crash, too, got a new computerm, and lost edresses. But if you write me at lucius4@earthlink.net, I'll send my address.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 09:22 pm:   

Gotta back it up and store the backups offsite (safety deposit box, etc.)

MarcL, should have seen HAPPY FEET :-) and folk wonder why kids only want to play video games...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 06:57 am:   

Broken Trail wound up being very satisfying. It's no Lonesomme Dove, but Duvall and Church were outstanding, and there were some nice unexpected bits, like the resolution of a relatiionship between Duval and a hooker.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 07:12 am:   

Went and saw TURISTAS on Friday. Not bad for a guilty pleasure movie. All the bad things you can say about cineplex slash-em-ups apply here: half-baked acting, zero character development, bad cinematography, implausible plot, etc.

On the plus side of the ledger, making this a good guilty pleasure movie are the way the setting (both in terms of the "turistas" otherness and the physically intimidating slums and jungle that become part of the menace), a moderately clever political subtext and a final underwater chase scene through caves that is genuinely exciting and suspenseful.

For what it is, not half bad.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 07:14 am:   

Kind of enjoyed Argento's "Pelts" on MOH Friday, but I sort of chuckled at the way Argento blithely embraces the stupidest plot conceits. A race of raccoons becoming "sentinels of the Lost City"? OMG!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 07:14 am:   

Yeah, i'm going next week. Gottta finish a novella.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 07:46 am:   

Trailer for Pang Bros. English-Language THE MESSENGERS looks decent.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 08:02 am:   

I don't do the Pang Bros. I haven't liked one of their movies.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 08:39 am:   

I've only seen THE EYE, which I liked OK.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 08:50 am:   

I wasn't a huge fan of the eye. Looking forward to the Host. Dec. 28th, baby!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 02:15 pm:   

Got PS in the mail...PM. Thanks. Who knew you were a southern boy.
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PM
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 03:10 pm:   

No one believes that I'm a southern boy. Or Anne :-)

So I'm content to remain unidentified, indeterminate a cheerleader of sorts.

Hope you enjoy PS 7.

Enjoyed THE QUEEN. Mirren is splendid.
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jk
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 09:30 pm:   

I thought the Argento MOH was one of the better ones from the new season, only because the others have been so poor. At least there's no bad dubbing in it like with his regular movies. Or "accents" as he called it on a commentary track from one of his movies. That John Carpenter episode was sure horrible. And the devil in the rubber suit looked pretty lame. I wouldn't be so quick to put JOHN CARPENTER'S in front of everything if I were him.
I saw the Miike episode which was "banned" from last season. I can see why too. He's using the needles again like in Audition. And it seemed more extreme this time. They stuck needles under a girl's fingernails and shoved it down the finger, that was bad. It was interesting that the all Japanese cast learned phonetic English for the episode.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 09:45 pm:   

I gave up my Showtime subscription, so I don't get the MOH series anymore. which i'm not really too sad about...though I'd like to see what Sam did with the screwfly Solution.
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PM
Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 10:44 pm:   

The Anderson MOH ep was watchable. Neither particularly scary nor suspenseful but able to maintain interest. I appreciate that they've tried to move beyond slasher fare but many of the episodes are beggin' for a dirt nap or worse...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 03:26 am:   

Sounds....bad. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 06:26 am:   

I've still got Showtime, but I haven't bothered with MOH this season. Season 1 was bad enough.

And speaking of bad, I saw "Sound of Thunder." I never thought I'd say this, but I was more entertained by Uwe Boll's films. Sci-Fi Channel's original films have better plots and acting, and the special effects are much better.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 06:46 am:   

Yeah, I reveiwed that. Truly amazing movie. I think the star of the film was ben Kingsley's designer goatee....how they got from Bradbury to that is truly a mystery.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 07:03 am:   

I remember the review. Based on it, I was expecting a bad film, but I didn't expect it to be that bad. I thought the baboon/bat/reptile things might be entertaining until I saw how crappy the effects were.
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Jeffrey Ford
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 07:12 am:   

Robert: I caught a piece of that one the other night on HBO, I think. What an F'n mess. The pace was leaden and the Baboon/Dinosaurs were somewhat less than convincing in their reality.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 07:15 am:   

HBO is a bad thing for me to have. It convinces me to watch a lot of crap I wouldn't bother renting.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 07:15 am:   

Well, I tried to warn people; I guess I failed. :-(

But it's a remarkably bad flick...

The only movie I'm looking forward to at present is Pan's Labyrinth. I thought the Devil's Babckbone was fairly good, but I have higher hopes for this...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 07:17 am:   

yeah, i recently ditched HBO and Showtime for that very reason....
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Jeffrey Ford
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 07:38 am:   

Pan's Labyrinth I definitely want to see. Sometimes even if the movie isn't all good with something like that there is a vision or certain imagery that can be useful in sparking the fiction imagination.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 07:45 am:   

I think the Devil's Backbone was a pretty pedestrian ghost story, but this movie, from what I've seen and heard, seems to signal a fruition of Del Toro's talent. Apparently the acting is great, the imagery great, and the only problem may be with certain elements of the set-up.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 09:31 am:   

Lucius: Where did you purchase the BLISS DVD? I checked out LANTANA this past weekend and really dug it. Then I read about BLISS, and it sounds like a cool, forgotten film. I didn't see it offered at xploited or diabolik, though.

I'm also expecting big things from both PAN'S LABYRINTH and THE HOST.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 09:39 am:   

I ordered a used video copy from Amazon. No DVD availabe for cheap. You can find DVD's for 60-70 bucks, and I didn't want it that bad, so opted for the ten buck quick fix.


I'm still nervous about del Toro, but I know I'm gonna like The Host.

Latest purchase, the Taliban film from Xploited, Stray Dogs.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 09:57 am:   

Ouch. Don't need a DVD that bad either.

Did you ever watch, OBABA? The description and few reviews I've found make it sound like a cool piece of magic realism.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 10:08 am:   

Yeah, I kind of liked it, though the movie's not really magic realism, just uses some magic realist tropes. Apparently the book is more magical realist than the movie.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 10:23 am:   

Thanks.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 10:35 am:   

No problem.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 11:07 am:   

I saw BLISS when it came out and other than an out-of-body-experience scene that opens the movie, can't remember a thing about it. What was it about?

MOH: I seem to be alone among horror fans (based on my trawlings in the myspace horror groups) in liking Brad Anderson's "Sounds Like". I admire the fact that it took an artier, more elliptical, subtler approach to storytelling, rather than the "it's cable, so let the blood pour!" approach the other auteurs seem to favor.

"Pelts" had nice touches. I like Meat Loaf as a character actor; the stripper character was a stone stunner, for sure. But Argento thinks naught of grabbing onto the silliest, most farcical conceits and wrestling them to the ground. A race of raccoons guarding a lost city? A raccoon coat that will command a king's ransom? Come on! That shit is one notch above muskrat!

I mean, suspension of disbelief is one thing, but Argento wants our disbelief drawn, quarter, disemboweled and burnt to ash.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 11:18 am:   

I don;t know what Bliss is about, other than it's based on a magical realism novel by Aussie writer Peter Carey.

As for Argento, I think I liked one movie of his, Suspiria.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 12:22 pm:   

I assume you are not referring to Bliss from 1997, which was about Necrophilia?

I watched a lot of Argento films during college, but I was left with the opinion that he had some very nice visual elements, but his movies were too deliberately surreal. Logic never seemed important, he just wanted you to feel a certain way while watching.

There was some nice imagery in Stendhal Syndrome, but that was the last decent thing he did. His Phantom of the Opera was terrible...Julian Sands as the Phantom, and it puts forth the idea that he was raised by rats. Not a mutant rat like in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but just normal sewer rats.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 12:29 pm:   

No, I saw that Bliss -- pretty good. This is an '85 movie. Directed by Ray Lawrence who directed Lantana.


I've seen nine or ten Argentos, they left me pretty cold except for Suspiria.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 12:44 pm:   

Argento's flights of fancy can be terrific when they are controlled or used in service of a somewhat credible plot. But sometimes, as in MOH, he just loses it.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 01:00 pm:   

i've always thought of him as terribly overrated. There are good moments in his movies, but usually there are godawful moments as well, and I don't go to the movies to see moments. Aside from that, his use oof his daughter as victim from a young age was rather callous.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 02:16 pm:   

"I seem to be alone among horror fans (based on my trawlings in the myspace horror groups) in liking Brad Anderson's "Sounds Like""

While it was watchable I didn't find it scary, suspenseful, or horrific. This likely explains why folk didn't take to it so well. It could just as well have been an episode of the Outer Limits.

It's like going to get ice cream and only being offered pizza. Sometimes you decide to take the pizza and then the pizza is bad. In this case the pizza was so so.

X-Files and Millennium knew at least for a while how to do suspense/horror. Viewers of MOH are likely to feel conned.

Dexter, in contrast with MOH, at least has moments that will make you wince and a few seconds of suspense here and there. And even when it's neither it's for the most part interesting. Ep 7 has Dexter going to therapy sessions with a psychiatrist whose driving women to suicide. And the ongoing storyline with another serial killer whose entered Dexter's life (dating his sister and even hanging out with Dexter) is fascinating. So while there is a bit of unbelievability about the entire enterprise it feels fresh. And Funky KBear likes it fresh...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 02:24 pm:   

The only MOH that was really scary, IMHO, was Miike's, just because you get the sense he doesn't really understand the boundaries of American television and, thus, just about any kind of crazy stuff could happen. The other guys have an easier time with the format, but are predictable.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 02:34 pm:   

One can call it "horror" but I'd suggest that horror requires more than appearances from the undead and blood splattering. It's sending in the clowns who have refused to act like clowns.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 02:47 pm:   

Did they ever show the Miike on TV?
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 02:51 pm:   

I don't think they did.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 03:48 pm:   

Watched Pierrepoint, Adrain Shergold's movie about England's master executioner, starring Timothy Spall in the title role. For the first hour or so this in a terrific, though rather dark movie. Pierrepoint, as realized by Spall, is a warm,geial family man, a grocery clerk, but in his secret life he's all business, measuring and weighing his clients, treating them one like the other. The last part of the movie introduces a plot twist that turns the movie sermony about capital punishment. But Spall is terrific as always, and its great to see him get a lead role, even in a movie as unlikely to gain a wide audience as this one.
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jk
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 12:19 am:   

No, they never showed the Miike on tv. I guess they thought viewers would be turned off by long nails being stuck under a girl's fingernails and shoved down, and then various other long nails being stuck into her gums, then tying her up into an arty Japanese bondage position and letting her hang there, would be a turn off.
I saw part of the behind the scenes feature on the dvd, and Billy Drago was saying how he thinks of scripts more like "outlines" that the players fill out when they do the acting. Someone should hand him an actual outline instead of a script next time, and let's see how he fills it out.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 06:30 am:   

Billy Drago! There's a name to conjure with! He must have been in every bad martial arts movie ever made. He probably doesn't know the difference between an outline and a script, and many of the movies he was in likely didn't have scripts, the director said, Improvise some of that brilliant dialogue you're know for, Billy, whereupon BD loosed his usual string of grunts, whistles, and cliches.

As for Miike, I'd rather watch torture than be tortured by Friends et al. But yeah...a bit much for the American tube.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 06:46 am:   

Also watched the latest Prime Suspect. In my opiinion, the best since the first couple. Tremendous script and acting. Why we can't get comparable scripts over here for shows like the Sopranos and etc is absolutely baffling.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 07:38 am:   

The Sopranos has been consistently disappointing of late. Ever since they killed off Joe Pantoliano, the show has lost its way and never found it again. Tony needs an equally strong and vicious counterweight to make the show work.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 07:42 am:   

Compared to the Prime Suspect series, they've always been disappointing. Nuanced acting and scripts that turn on subtlety are not a hallmark of the Sopranos and never have been.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 07:46 am:   

I was curious what you guys thought of Peter Watkins' "documentary reconstructions"? I remember seeing EDVARD MUNCH years back, but not fully appreciating it then. It stands out in my memory as being quite impressive. Now, his latest film, the 345-minute LA COMMUNE, has just received an R1 release.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:00 am:   

I've never seen Watkins, though I've heard good stuff about this new one--just haven't had six hours to invest.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:04 am:   

The mob has never struck me as being particularly subtle. Sopranos suffers from serial episodic indeterminacy.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:15 am:   

Cops have never struck me as particularly subtle, either--except when they're portrayed in depth as in PS.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:25 am:   

I thought Watkins' PUNISHMENT PARK was pretty engrossing, even though its subject matter (60s radicals hunted by cops on desert obstacle course) should have been dated.

I would love to see the MUNCH film; have not been able to find it.

Back in the 80s, I saw PRIVILEGE and Watkins' post-atomic-bomb mockumentary and dug them a lot. Recently saw a Privilege clip on YouTube and it made me want to see it again. Is it even on DVD? Talk about a lost classic...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:34 am:   

Privilege is on DVD. Oh, that Watkins. I saw Punishment Park and Privilege. Not bad, but dated somewhat.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:34 am:   

The cast of characters adds to the lack of depth. The Sopranos is/was perpetually adding new characters.

MUNCH is on DVD and available through the usual places (Amazon, Netflix, etc.)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:46 am:   

Sopranos scripts have a disturbing lack of continuity. Promising plot angles are abandoned and never returned to. Robert Loggia's Feech LaManna character was promising, but he was sent back to jail and "poof" went an intriguing plotline. And that whole dream sequence thing they did last season fell flatter than month-old Pabst.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:52 am:   

Adding characters is the American answer, these days, to any plot problem. Truthfully I haven't watched the sopranos with any regularity since midway through the second season. A year, year and a half, seems the limit of my tolerance for these things.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 08:56 am:   

That lack of continuity is to some extent intentional. I agree that it's dramatically unfamiliar and likely to be unappealing.

But early on it was evident that it wasn't going to be week after week of hitting the same nails. I believe the term is "blueballing" :-)

Certainly all the dramatic meanderings and refusals along with an undefined future...well it sounds a lot like LOST.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:02 am:   

"A year, year and a half, seems the limit of my tolerance for these things."

I felt that way about DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES.

Familiarity breeds contempt or certainly a lack of interest. We've seen so much. It's all that more difficult to become engaged over time when we know the formulas.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:13 am:   

Thanks everyone for the thoughts on Watkins.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:22 am:   

My tolerance for desperate housewives was about five minutes.

The British model, serial mimi-series rather than ongoing shows, seems superior.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:26 am:   

They're moving Lost to 10 PM on Wednesdays, which pushes me right off the fence into can't be bothered anymore.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:34 am:   

Another covert to negativity. :-) Good on you.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:36 am:   

At least it doesn't conflict with MythBusters anymore. I used to watch Lost, then catch a rerun of MB. I guess i can Tivo Lost and watch it on Thursday now (provided it actually goes somewhere during the first few episodes after the return).
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:41 am:   

And what are the odds of that happening, you think? :-)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 09:51 am:   

I do South Park on Wednesdays at 10, although really only 15 weeks a year given all the repeats. But yeah, I liked Season 1 of Lost, thought Season 2 wasn't too bad, but now I'm just fed up with it all. I actually don't mind waiting for the answers, I just want them to be interesting. I liked that they were adding some Deadwood actors to the mix, I just wish they'd replace some of the regulars. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 10:09 am:   

Odds: Very slim. But due to Season 1, I'm willing to give Lost more chances than I give to other shows. I don't mind waiting as long as it seems like they are developing the story, but I don't feel they are doing that now.

When there is a new South Park, it's always re-run multiple times, so I'll eventually get to see it. I loved the Nintendo Wii episodes.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 10:11 am:   

Yeah, I liked season 1, but after that I caught the show's drift and bailed. The characters, though promising, haven't lived up to their promise.

I catch South Park when I remember. They need to do another Mel Gibson show.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 10:14 am:   

New thread.

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