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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 05:30 pm:   

NEW YORK (Billboard) - A California judge has ordered producers of the CBS reality show "Rock Star" to find a new name for its group Supernova, ruling that an established band already exists with that moniker.

The original Supernova, best known for contributing the song "Chewbacca" to the cult movie "Clerks," had previously filed for a preliminary injunction protecting its name.

The news comes at a particularly bad time for the TV show, which will name its winning vocalist Wednesday. The winner will promptly hit the studio with guitarist Gilby Clarke, bassist Jason Newsted and drummer Tommy Lee; the group is slated to begin a North American tour on New Year's Eve in Las Vegas.

As part of the judge's ruling, the CBS-spawned group is enjoined from using the Supernova name for performances and recordings.

"The ruling is a major victory for Supernova, especially since it has been announced on several occasions that our client's case had no merit," says Supernova attorney John Mizhir, Jr. "This is sweet justice. The order also proves that the law does not discriminate. The band members have worked hard for the past 17 years to establish the name Supernova and they are entitled to continue to perform without any other parties -- large or small -- infringing on their rights."

Costa Mesa, Calif.-based Supernova, founded in 1989 by Jodey Lawrence, Art Mitchell and David Collins, has released four albums.

also of interest:

http://tinyurl.com/ksqbz
   By Lucius on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 02:40 pm:  Edit

That's hilarious...
So what're gonna do tonight, say Rockstar: mmmmffblat?
   By Lucius on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 02:43 pm:  Edit

The Band Formerly Known As Supernova?
   By Mike McLatchey on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:04 pm:  Edit

I kinda do prefer mmmmffblat to Supernova though.
   By John Joseph Adams on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:04 pm:  Edit

I'm all for CBS getting bitch slapped, but I'm not sure I understand the fuss over the name. I've seen other bands have the same name as an existing band before, and I never heard about anyone getting sued over it.

There's a death metal band (now defunct) called Gandalf, and there's a new age band called Gandalf (and music shops like iTunes can't tell the difference between them).

Also, there's a death metal band called Dimension Zero, and some kind of alt-rock band called Dimension Zero. This one was more of a problem to me, as I'd heard the *wrong* Dimension Zero when I first was investigating them, and thought it was crap.

They might as well have just changed the name from Supernova to The Black Holes, since they're definitely going to suck.
   By Mike McLatchey on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:08 pm:  Edit

There's an old psych group called Gandalf as well. I wish the courts would do something more important and disallow EVERYONE from naming their band after someone/thing in the Lord of the Rings.

Which was the wrong Dimension Zero btw? I had a promo of the metal band. Sounded like another In Flames clone iirc.
   By Robert Devereux on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:20 pm:  Edit

The Mission UK used to just be The Mission until they were sued by a band already using that name in the US. P Diddy was recently sued and he can't go by the name Diddy in the UK because somebody had been using that name before him.

Generally people don't sue when one band is disbanded, or sometimes if they are in completely different countries. One example - nobody sued over Nirvana, even though the name had originally been used by a UK band in the 60s. Another - the prog rock band Golgotha had disbanded by the time the death metal band started using the name.

I'm definitely for bitch slapping CBS and the band. It only takes a few seconds to check AllMusic.com to see that Supernova has been releasing albums since 1995. Do some research before picking a band name. It doesn't take much work and saves a lot of hassle.
   By Robert Devereux on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:26 pm:  Edit

Are there any unused Tolkien names, or have all of them been used by bands by now? Was Ephel Duath the last unused one?
   By Mike McLatchey on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:44 pm:  Edit

I didn't even know Ephel Duath was from Tolkien. Seems like prog rock and metal bands are the worst offenders.
   By John Joseph Adams on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 04:04 pm:  Edit

The alt-rock Dimension Zero was the wrong one. The one you heard, that you describe as an In Flames clone--well, there's a reason they sound so much like In Flames: it's a side project of a couple In Flames members, and Anders Frieden (the lead vocalist of In Flames) even produced their records (though he's not in the band). Both Dimension Zeroes claim to be active, far as I know (though the death metal one hasn't released anything in a while).

As for Tolkien-names, yeah I'm not too fond of that practice either. Gandalf especially is a bad one, at least for a metal band--not just because people do it all the time, but because Gandalf doesn't seem particularly, you know, *metal* to me. Sure, he's a bad ass, but he's an old man!
   By Lucius on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 04:12 pm:  Edit

I never heard of a band called Bombadillo.
   By Robert Devereux on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 04:20 pm:  Edit

Ephel Duath was one of the mountain ranges on Tolkien's maps. At least they picked an obscure Tolkien name, so only geeks like me realize it.

I've been wondering how long it will be before we get metal bands with Robert Jordan names.
   By Dave G. on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 04:53 pm:  Edit

Like Robert pointed out, bands that get caught infringing on another band's name usually get out of it by appending a little insignificant tag to the offending moniker.

Some examples:

Dinosaur, Jr.
City Thrills
Charlatans UK
London Suede

The wrench here is that they have been promoting themselves so heavily as Supernova.

Based on their originals so far, I propose Supernovacaine.
   By Lucius on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 05:26 pm:  Edit


I'm surprised no one has used Big Bang....

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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 05:47 pm:   

Supernovasibersk.

:-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 06:02 pm:   

Supernovacaine is great.

They were all repeat performances tonight, everyone did songs they already did. Want to know the winner already?

Anyway, Gilby and Dave both offered to help write, record, and produce an album by the runner up.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 07:15 pm:   

Dilana's the runner-up, right?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 07:42 pm:   

Yes, Dilana is the runner up. I wouldn't turn down help from Dave on an album.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 07:47 pm:   

Christ, what assholes!

Yeah, I wouldn't turn Dave down either.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 08:03 pm:   

Lukas wins, is waht I'm betting. Because Toby got dissed last night.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 08:42 pm:   

Lukas wins......

Supernova's not totally dumb. Those were the two who stood out at the beginning....
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jk
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 11:53 pm:   

Another Tolkien inspired name- The Nazgul, an obscure krautrock band from the 70s, featuring "Frodo-drums, percussion, gongs, Gandalf-Percussion, mini-moog, hammond, electric piano, bass guitar, Pippin-Percussion, treated tubular bells, electric guitar, trumpet." Heh heh.

Then there's Ejwuusl Wessahqqan, another krautrock obscurity from the 70s, who took their name from a Clark Ashton Smith story.
No, I'm not making this up.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 05:03 am:   

I was surprised Toby was the second to go. Dilana's in the position I thought was best - she's at least somewhat known, doesn't have to sing Supernova songs, and has some high profile help for doing her own music.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 05:48 am:   

i heard toby picked up a record deal, too.

man, that was unbelievably lame. there was a whole weird staged vibe too it. much worse than the previous ones. my favourite bit, however, was when tommy lee talked about listening to the fans, who seemed to be chanting dilana, and he said they were going with who got the highest votes, which since she wasn't int he bottom three, was dilana... and then said lukas. heh. classy.

anyhow, i'm pleased she's getting a record. i kind of wanted lukas to be free from supernova, and emoing it up. but what can you say?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:06 am:   

Lukas was in the bottom 3 at some point during the night, but he could have surged ahead at the end. Remember, it's not how many people vote for you, but how often a smaller percentage vote.

Lukas was really wearing thin on me by the end. Out of the final five, he's the one I'm least likely to check out music by.

And did you notice that Dave offered to help Storm and Dilana with recording, but not Magni or Toby? Is he only up for playing for women?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:55 am:   

Well, I think Dilana and Storm were more talented then Toby or Magni...but yeah.

It did feel staged.

JK -- Pippin percussion. Wow, that's rough.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:03 am:   

And ben, Lukas may well turn SN into an emo band. It'll be beyootiful....
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:03 am:   

After all that loyal viewing, I missed the finale. Can you believe it?

Lukas was one of the more interesting contestants, but I just can't see the pairing of Lukas with those guys. It would be like Thom Yorke singing with Poison. I just can't imagine it.

Oh well. I guess I'll just wait for the Dilana solo tour.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:05 am:   

You could have seen Lukas fronting the band. Actually, I thought he dreessed up those dud songs, but they're still dud songs.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:11 am:   

You didn't miss much in the finale, other than naming the winner. The rest was just recap and redundant performances.

Now that it's over, I can't believe I spent so much time watching this when I have no intention of listening to Supernova again.

Who will it be next year? A real band, or another manufactured band? Tommy was the real appeal of Supernova, so they'd need to find another well known person to be the core if they make another band. Or maybe they could do Supernova again.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:24 am:   

That Ejwuusl album is pretty good, kind of like Guru Guru if they were a keyboard trio (or an even freakier Egg). I heard it before reading CAS's Hyperborea, and was pretty surprised when I came across the story.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:49 am:   

Next year's supergroup will require a gossip-page-friendly, well-known instrumentalist without a functioning band. Any nominations?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 08:42 am:   

Van Halen was tossed around.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 08:52 am:   

The latest news from VH world is that Eddie is thinking of working with Roth again. But who knows if that will happen. He is gossip page friendly, especially with his recent work doing songs for a porno film and hosting a release party for said film at his house. Plus that's a sure indicator that he needs work.

Another idea: is Slash doing anything?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:00 am:   

Slash would be good. VH is a poss. My prolblem is, I never kept up with th e"mainstream" of rock, so my best suggestion would be how about a Slint reunion or Rockstar: Savage Republic. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:26 am:   

Krist Novoselic, Jason Everman and Chad Channing should take the Supernova Thrones for Rock Star: Nirvana. Then, let's see how many of these smurfs bust out "Lithium" and "Heart-Shaped Box," or don the ceremonial kinderpunk frock for "Miss World."
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:29 am:   

I can think of several mainstream rock bands, but the singer is the only notable member (and even then, not very notable). The rest of them are interchangeable. For example, will anyone notice that the original guitar player/writer for Evanescence is gone? No, the singer is the only reason people cared about them.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:05 am:   

I think it's really pathetic to see these aging "rock stars" up there trying to do what they did in their younger days. At least jazz guys and some more experimental-type stuff can age gracefully and still put out interesting stuff. But these guys in their late forties or fifties, up there playing their adolescent rock n' roll stuff is just embarrassing. At least I can't help thinking that everytime I pass by Vh1 and see some old farts giving it another go. I guess some of them have to do it for the money though, as for the ones that are still flush, what are they thinking?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 12:12 pm:   

Somehow, I don't think RockStar: Blind Melon. Would be a big ratings grabber.

I just had a truly nauseating thought I would like to share with you all: RockStar: The Clash.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 01:47 pm:   

Okay, here's one that could legitimately work:

Rock Star: No Doubt

Huge band with pop mega-hits whose members are faceless and nondescript and could desperately use the exposure, abandoned by mega-selling solo artist. Commercially busted, but with a name that still has some $$$$ value and recognition.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 03:59 pm:   

lukas may indeed emo up supernova (the name conviently not mentioned most of last night) but those songs tank, man. they could emo up all they want but a dodge song is a dodge song. plus, i gotta agree with jk about the aging rocker sydnrome.

as for slash, last i heard he was doing the velvet revolver gig. i though their album wasn't so bad.

and there goes my credibility :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 04:16 pm:   

I forgot about Velvet Revolver. I liked the music in Gn'R, but Axl gets on my nerves. I hoped VR would be like Gn'R with a different singer. But I found them kind of bland, but not nearly as bad as Supernova.

What about the guys from Stone Temple Pilots? What have they been doing since Weiland joined VR? STP could work, but I like the No Doubt idea.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 04:53 pm:   

i've no idea about STP.

i found the velvet revolver album reminded me of the guns n roses APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION album, which i liked as a kid. similar kind of deal.

i thought axl was okay as a frontman.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 05:03 pm:   

JK that's what makes it fun to laugh at them and make rude noises.

Ben, regarding credibility, it's fucking overrated and, anyway, you counter by being pretentious....right? :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 05:08 pm:   

i dunno how pretentious you can be after admitting to liking the velvet revolver album, but i seem to have no problems with it :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 05:48 pm:   

I never listened to VR--perhaps it has hidden depths. ;0
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:00 pm:   

nah :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:08 pm:   

Well then, I think you can chuck in your pretentious card. ;)
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jk
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:08 pm:   

Yeah, it's pretty funny. Like when I saw the reformed Raspberries on VH1 playing live. These old grey, grizzled fifty-somethings singing their adolescent love song "Go all the way." Sheesh.

Or the other night they had one of their lame rock honors shows on, with Kiss and Def Leppard and some others. Man, that was hilarious. It's kind of amusing to watch just out of morbid curiosity. Well, I have to give it to Gene Simmons, he's a shrewd businessman, making millions off of morons for decades.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:09 pm:   

Lucius, have you heard that band F-Space? It features a former member of Savage Republic. Read a review today, might be cool. Supposedly "fourth-world rock"-type stuff.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:21 pm:   

I love Savage Republic, but haven't hear F-space. Will immediately buy, however. Thanks.

Rockstar's fucking hilarious. Watching Jason Newstead trying to imitate "The Thinker" alone was worth the price of admission.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:51 pm:   

i could send him my pretentious card...

my favourite bit was watching gilby's hair wave in the wind like he's on baywatch.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:00 pm:   

Yeah, Gilbey was funny...esp his guitar "playing." Hope that guy from the house band gets paid a bunch, because he's gonna earn it playing behind the curtains while Gilbey guitar-synchs.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:14 pm:   

heh. you can actually do that?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   

I don't know, but I think with Gilbey it's necessary -- Ididn't hear any real leads on those songs. Maybe Dave N would sit in. They can't let G out there alone.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 07:37 pm:   

i reckon they might as well. even with some leads those songs are still going to suck. there's really no saving them, i think.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:16 pm:   

Probbly not. But now and then it helps to dress a pig as the pope.
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John Joseph Adams
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 06:02 am:   

Supernova's first two songs were posted to their MySpace page:

http://www.myspace.com/supernova

Yep, they suck all right. Well, I should qualify that it's not my genre of music, so they might be good for that kind of wussy-rock that they're going for.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 06:30 am:   

I doubt that, no matter how they're packaged, they can be considered good.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 09:30 am:   

Hey, they can always hit the road as "Supernoname".
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 09:33 am:   

Yeah, that's good. Supernonymous works, too. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 09:39 am:   

They could go with a sense of humor and be "Soupernova" but I doubt they will.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 09:43 am:   

:-)

Or Chunky Soupernova.
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Mikal Trimm
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 04:04 pm:   

Nah. Then 'Souper Salad' would probably sue them. And win.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 04:17 pm:   

Well, then.....How about SUPER-DOOPER-POOPER-SCOOPER-nova,
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Mikal Trimm
Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 01:33 pm:   

SDPSN?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 01:36 pm:   

Yeah. Raise that cell phone high.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 09:24 am:   

I found a new metal band to watch: Brown Angel. Sadly, they don't have a record yet, but I'm hoping to see them live more often (they're based in Pittsburgh). They play sludge metal, but add some strange guitar melodies, and the singer mixes some throat singing into his vocals. I've thought for a while that throat singing and metal would mix well, and they prove it.

I caught them when they opened for Kayo Dot. While I love KD's CDs, the live performance didn't do much for me. Only one of them looked like he was enjoying himself, while the rest looked completely intent on just playing.

As far as concerts went, I had a better time driving out to Philly to see Shearwater. They seemed to enjoy themselves on stage.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:03 am:   

How was Shearwater musically?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:16 am:   

They sounded a lot like their CD, although a bit louder and heavier. Basically really dynamic folk rock, some songs start with delicate guitar and singing, getting gradually more intense until the end with distorted guitar and waves of feedback. They only got really loud with two songs.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:00 am:   

I love Maudlin of the Well - Bath, a classic in my book, but they lost me on their transition to Kayo Dot (not to mention Toby Driver's solo album). Seems like they're covering some of the same ground Esoteric did. For a guy as talented with songcraft as Driver was, it's kind of sad to see him go abstract - normally I'd be all for that.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:22 am:   

I didn't like Maudlin. They were too disjointed, no section seemed to flow into the next. It was like they just cut up albums from dozens of styles and threw the pieces together. Kayo Dot made the the different styles seem like they fit together.

I haven't heard much Esoteric, but I didn't think they were very similar. Esoteric struck me as a doom metal band, while Kayo Dot struck me as progressive rock with some metal moments.

I wasn't fond of Driver's solo album.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:47 am:   

The slow, palm-muted guitar chords and screeching are very Esoteric like, not to mention they were a big influence on Driver. Won't argue that Maudlin could be disjointed, although I think all the elements really work well together on Bath, particularly on songs like "Heaven or Weak," "Girl With a Watering Can" and "The Birth Pains of Astral Projection." I resonate with a lot of Byron's lyrics here as well, I dunno if he still does them for Kayo Dot or not, but his stylistic combination of Byron and Shelley-like poetry with a secondary level of hermetics via Crowley gave the band a depth and sense of mystery they seem to be missing now.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:49 pm:   

I can see some similarities on the metal parts of Kayo Dot's music, but there's too little metal for me to consider them covering the same territory. The blending of mellow, almost classical parts, jazz, and heavy riffs makes me think they're closer to covering the same territory as 70s King Crimson.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   

Robert, you mind find this of some interest, and interview I did with the band right before Maudlin went Kayo Dot:

http://gnosis2000.net/maudlininterview.htm
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 03:32 pm:   

Thanks Mike. It was an interesting interview. It's so rare to read interesting interviews.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 05:12 am:   

Lately, among many Miles Davis shows, I've been stuck on the Konono albums, which feature African street bands playing outsize kalimbas or mbiras and amplifiers made from car batteries etc...

Pretty amazing stuff.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 07:21 am:   

Glad you thought so Robert.

Heard a couple newish things I really liked lately. An English acid folk/psych/prog band called Circulus, who sound quite a bit like Comus, Trees, East of Eden etc, very authentic. Also the new One Shot Ewaz Vader, which is some of the Magma guys doing electric jazz-rock somewhere close to Miles. Smokin'.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 07:28 am:   

Apparently, Supernova are now touring under the name "Rockstar Supernova." Still like my name better.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 07:37 am:   

Me, too.

Deathstar: Supernova would have been better. Or Dwarfstar: Supernova.

Mike, do you listen much to world music or rap?

Ewaz Vader sound interesting.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 07:52 am:   

Yeah, I like music from both, although I've probably only scratched the surface(s). I recently got a couple reissues by a German band called Between who were a pretty early world music troupe, roughly in the same vein of Oregon at the time except they mix in minimalism and electronics. Quite like a lot of the Carpathian psych/folk coming from Poland under Atman or the Magic Carpathians.

Listening to a recent jazz reissue right now, Hank Mobley's "Workout," feauturing Kelly, Chambers and Jones with Grant Green.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 08:24 am:   

Hank Mobley...yeah. I don't know that record, but he was a player.

I guess I prefer the rawer stuff. I never cared much for Oregon, even when they played with Don Cherry, who I love. Eternal Rhythm is one of my all-time faves. Been listening to a lot or African urban music lately, street groups and such.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 08:35 am:   

"Workout" is one of his best.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 08:40 am:   

Don Cherry got around. He used to work with a great Turkish drummer nammed Okay Temiz who had a pretty smokin' band of his own called Oriental Wind, who did a sort of Turkish music and Coltrane influenced hybrid jazz - often with Swedish players. Most of their albums haven't made it to CD and are way out of print (many were on the Swedish label Sonet), but I can send you an LP transcript or two when I get some time if you're interested in.

I've had a bit of trouble getting into Cherry's early 70s stuff, I love the Blue Note albums(especially Symphony for Improvisers) and a couple groovers he did in the late 70s, Brown Rice and Hear & Now. I'll have to go dig out Eternal Rhythm and give it another play though.

Still think the most unlikely album Cherry was ever on was Steve Hillage's L. Tibetan bells!
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 08:46 am:   

Another band you might dig in the same band is the Swedish group Archimedes Badkar. You might be familiar with the Bitter Funeral Beer album by Bengt Berger that came out on ECM, AB is Berger's earlier band. Only one, but their best, is out on CD, Tre, which is a nice jazz/world music blend.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 08:50 am:   

Eternal Rhythm's a little chaotic, I admit, but it was a big album for me. Brown Rice and Hear and Now, Symphony for Improvisers, they're all great. I used have an album with Cherry and Temiz playing together, and I think it was under Temiz's name, but sad to say it went the way of all my vinyl. Yeah, sure. Love to hear it!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 05:45 pm:   

Anyone familiar with Confessor, an 80s underground metal band? Or wwith this:

Artist: JAMAL, KHAN
Title: Drumdance to the Motherland
Label: EREMITE
Format: CD
Price: $13.50
Catalog #: MTE 050CDClassic reissue of this 1974 private press album! "There's not another record on the planet that sounds even remotely like vibraphonist Khan Jamal's eccentric, one-of-a-kind masterpiece, Drumdance to the Motherland. In its improbable fusion of free jazz expressionism, Black psychedelia, & full-on dub-like production techniques, Drumdance remains a bracingly powerful outsider statement thirty-four years after it was recorded live at the Catacombs Club in Philadelphia in 1972. Comparisons to Sun Ra, King Tubby, Phil Cohran & BYG/Actuel merely hint at the cosmic otherness conjured by the band & by recording engineer Mario Falana's real-time 'enhancements.' The first edition of three hundred copies, issued by Jamal in 1973 on the local Philadelphia label Dogtown, was barely distributed outside the city's limits. Since then Drumdance has assumed a mythic status among the very few aficionados, eBay mutants, & heads who know of it at all. Hallelujah that it can finally be heard outside their murky inner-sanctums!"
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jk
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 07:26 pm:   

I need to get Eternal Rhythm, that's got Sharrock on it doesn't it? Another strange album for Cherry to have played on was Lou Reed's The Bells. Not that it's very good.
I've been meaning to pick up Circulus too. I really love that first East of Eden album.
Between-And the Waters Opened is a great Krautrock album with some minimalist Terry Riley-like sounds mixed in with the world/fusion/kraut. I have one called Dyana too which is pretty good, if a little more new agey.
Peter Michael Hamel from Between put out some minimalist/organ drone records that sound like some of Terry Riley's stuff too.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 07:40 pm:   

Sharrock, Saunders, Henry Grimes....a whole bunch of people.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 07:40 pm:   

Unsure as to whether we're discussing the same Confessor or not. They released "Condemned" on Earache...

Sharrock is on Eternal Rhythm.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 10:40 pm:   

I don't know if its the same, either....
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 05:55 am:   

The Confessor PM is talking about is the only one I know. They released their first album in '91, although they had some demos in the 80s. Their singer made it through the first round of auditions for Rockstar this season, but didn't make it onto the show.

I haven't heard Confessor, but I know the singer also briefly sang in Watchtower, and that band always had terrible vocals...the sort of thing that made even death metal haters wish they had a death metal vocalist.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 06:13 am:   

This supposed to be underground metal from the 80s. I guess I'll stay away from it.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 07:39 am:   

jk, you probably mean Dharana right? If so, you're lucky to have a CD copy, as it's always been a tough one to find. The same people who reissued And the Waters Opened also reissued Between's first, Einsteig, which you'd probably like as well (the later three are nice, but not as exceptional). I like a lot of the Peter Michael Hamel albums as well, especially Colours of Time, Nada and the Voice of Silence (half of this is on the Dharana reissue).

Watchtower was kind of the first tech-metal band, but I have to agree that the vocals really make them a hard listen, and I think both the albums had different vocalists - I didn't like either.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 07:59 am:   

Both albums had different singers, and the guy from Confessor wasn't on either, he was just a live singer. I was really happy to hear Spiral Architect, since I could listen to Watchtower styled music with a better singer.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 08:21 am:   

I too dig Spiral Architect, it's about as close to progmetal as I can get. Then again I have mighty respect for their label and labelowner. Lasers Edge/Sensory is one of the most audiophile labels outside the majors.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 08:39 am:   

The generic Dream Theater styled prog metal doesn't do anything for me (although I used to love DT in college). But there are still a few prog metal bands I enjoy old stuff like Psychotic Waltz (Spiral Architect was strongly influenced by them), and newer bands like Protest the Hero. But my main metal interest lately has been "progressive sludge metal" like Baroness, Mastodon, Mouth of the Architect.

Laser's Edge has some good releases. My favorites are Spiral Architect and the two Gordian Knot CDs.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 09:48 am:   

I like a couple of the Psychotic Waltz albums too, although I have an allergy for all the singers in the field that Geoff Tate spawned in his wake, it's just way too much melodrama. Never could do Dream Theater.

I think I mentioned the Indukti in an earlier thread, that's another great one from LE. Pretty happy with the Secret Oyster reissues as well.
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jk
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 10:09 am:   

Yeah, Dharana, that's the Between album. They have a few at Amazon, kind of pricey at $31. I need to get that first album reissue.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 10:21 am:   

Very cool jk, I thought that CD was long out of print, I think I'll have to upgrade my burn, even at that price. You should be able to find the other Betweens at waysidemusic.com (although at $22 they're not exactly cheap either).
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 08:38 am:   

Apparently you can get a CD by the guitar player from the Rockstar house band:
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/rafaelmoreira
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 09:44 am:   

If he played with Flora and Airto, he must be great. Wonder if he's any relation to Airto?
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 04:23 pm:   

hey, i picked up this off cdbaby the other day
http://cdbaby.com/cd/autopilotmusic

it's pretty cool.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 04:46 pm:   

Last album I bought on CDbaby was a week ago and I haven't got it yet: Erik Friedlander's (cellist) Maldoror.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 06:47 pm:   

I like CD Baby since they do a lot for independent artists, but most of my purchases were things they set up through iTunes.

I've been thinking about ordering Flametal (flamenco death metal) or Deserts of Traun (weird instrumental music).
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 10:41 am:   

Anybody familiar with the Henry Grimes live at the Kerava music festival album? With David Murray and Hamid Blake? Mike?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 10:54 am:   

Stumped on that one Lucius. Sounds interesting though.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 11:00 am:   

http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductsList.aspx?words=friedlander&sf1=

Should get you to Skin. I'm really interested in the new Nels Cline album where he does Andrew Hill's music. Been on a real Hill kick lately, even went an ordered the Mosaic Select box last week (apparently most of his late 60s sessions).
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 11:12 am:   

Yeah, New Monastery sounds cool. Never would have thought that Cline would be so into Hill.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 11:59 am:   

Regarding the live Grimes...Go to www.ayler.com and the album is listed about halfway down the page. There are a couple of mp3 snippets available there.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 01:10 pm:   

Thanks, PM.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 06:32 pm:   

i been listening to alexisonfire's CRISIS lately. punk, but a sort of mix of heavy metal screaming and emo lyrics/singing in two leads (i think). sounds pretty cool, tho.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 06:57 pm:   

Sounds good, will give a listen. Emo, huh. Your favorite. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 09:34 pm:   

what can i say, man? eleven year old girls tell me it's my subculture :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 11:09 pm:   

Yeah, I remember. I hope you took that to heart. ;)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 09:11 pm:   

nah, i know. it's just a joke from the weekend, when a eleven year old girl asked me if i was. plus, i like me a good bit of emo music.

also, i've been known to act rather tortured at times :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 09:23 pm:   

Acts tortured; mistaken by 11 yr old; likes him a good bit of emo...

Hmmm.

Sounds to me like the lead singer for Tindersticks. ;)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 11:02 pm:   

i don't know who that is and i think i'm good with that :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 05:08 am:   

Probably for the best....though he has a very good voice. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 05:24 am:   

I tried the Tindersticks once. I thought they had one good song, but only one. Otherwise it was sensitive baroque pop, but not a particularly interesting version of it.

I've never gotten a good handle on what emo is. Nobody's ever given an explanation I can understand. I know a metal band I like is called emo-core, but to me they sound like early 90s progressive metal. Perhaps having a high pitched singer is what warrants the emo-core description? My best guess is emo is like goth - if a goth likes it, it's gothic music; if an emo kid likes it, it's emo.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 10:30 am:   

Tindersticks is emo. I don't like them, I kind of like the singer. And I like the song Tiny Tears. That's about it.
Yours is as good a definition as any.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 03:49 pm:   

i define emo as this: a mash of grunge and alt fashion and goth emotional styling. mostly it's just shorthand for being really whiny and angsty and tortured bout your life--you know, a teenager :-)
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jk
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 04:06 pm:   

Didn't all the emo bands follow in the wake of Sunny Day Real Estate? Never liked them. The singer's solo album was pretty good though.
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PM
Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 03:11 pm:   

Received my first order from Forced Exposure today. Hanging out here is a costly but enjoyable experience...
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jk
Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 01:08 pm:   

Too bad about Tower Records closing all its locations. Maybe if they lowered prices a little to compete in the marketplace, they would still be around. $18.99 is too much for a cd. Not that I loved them or anything, but as far as the chain stores, they were sure better than any of the crappy mall stores or Walmart or whatever that will be left. News reports stated it was big chains like Walmart and Best Buy, and online downloading, that eroded sales at Tower. An employee from Tower headquarters said online that it was the owner Russ Solomon's refusual to price CDs below 18.99 that killed it, which is probably a more likely reason.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 01:44 pm:   

$18.99 is too much for a CD.

Borders and Barnes and Noble list quite a few of their products (books, CD, videos) at list price too.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 03:09 pm:   

Gentlemen, I have a question!

A couple of years ago I saw a band in concert called Chk Chk Chk, an American band (from California originally but based in North east of the States--I think) who play a kind of punk-funk thing with demented ovetones and (indeed) a sort of tex-mex influences with a section of the band playing brass instruments and stuff--and, additionally, a sort of techno vibe underlying the whole thing. Not an easy band to describe.

The thing is, it was one of the greatset live acts I've ever seen. They were sublime. I have their first, perhaps only, album, which I heard prior to seeing them in concert. Before the concert the album sounded nice but OK. After the concert, it sopunfds like one of the best things I've ever heard.

Thwe thing is, I can't find a damned thing about what this group are doing, whether they still exist, whether they even care anymore! Bizarre. I searched for a website. It seems they don't have one.

So, did I imagine this band, did I dream them, or do they really exist? Anyone else familiar with them? I'd very much appreciate any info about them if any one has any.

By the by, Robert, I'm sure I read on an earlier thread that you were listening to Cult of Luna and even going so far as to thinking that they were better than Isis. I'm totally with you there. At the moment, I'm rating Cult of Luna as my main thing. I think they combine the essence of metal (or post-metal or whatever) with stuff like Mogwai (or post rock or whatever) brilliantly. If you haven't got hold of their earlier albums, I recommend you do. They're as good, easily, if not better than Somewhere Along the Highway.

Christ, that was a long post. Must be the booze talking. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 03:45 pm:   

As far as I can tell. they have four albums listed on US amazon. Never heard them, though.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:40 am:   

They're well worth checking out if you're in the mood for something upbeat. They're a great live act, though the album I've got doesn't really grip you fom the start. But after seeing them live, the album grew on me a lot. It's strange, though. I remember that when they first appeared on the scene they were being talked about a lot, but they seem to drift around in obscurity quite a bit, which is no bad thing.

I would strongly recommend going to see them in concert if they happen to be playing near you. It was one of the best things I'd seen in a long time.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 05:28 am:   

Alastair, I've heard that Salvation is better than Somewhere Along the Highway, but I haven't gotten around to buying it yet. It will probably be on my next CD order.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 06:25 am:   

Will do, Alastair.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 10:26 am:   

Just grabbed Alice Coltrane tix (with Ravi, Haden and Haynes) for the SF Jazz festival in early November. Any fans around here? And in a nice bit of luck, Myra Melford's band plays the same afternoon, so am hoping to attend that as well.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 11:06 am:   

Cool!

Sounds like a great show. I'll be in France but doubt I;ll be having that much fun.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 03:51 am:   

Robert, I think there could be an argument made for any of their albums being better than the other two, but I reckon your infos good and that Salvation maybe steals it. The first one, The Beyond, is also terrific, slightly rougher as you'd expect. They certainly can't be faulted for their consistency:-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 10:41 am:   

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/24/obit.west.ap/index.html

RIP. Never really dug the Runaways, but I definitely had crushes on them all.

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