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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 04:57 pm:   

Do you keep up? And if so, who do you like tonight? I'm thinking Dallas -5 and under 195.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 05:11 pm:   

Yeah, I'm a big fan of the Heat and am too nervous to watch. You're probably right....
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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 05:17 pm:   

That doesn't encourage me to go out and place a bet. I'm a Dallas guy...will accept teases as readily as I'll dish them. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 05:44 pm:   

You like Dirk, huh? Der Sigfried of basketballenhoofenschneis....I hope Shaq busts his crypto-nazi spine. :-)
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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 07:52 pm:   

Dirk is feeling self-conscious right now, a John LeCarre sort of European psychology to do with the imbalance of Europeans to the less fortunate. Uh-hmm.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 08:08 pm:   

Dirk can ball, but at a crucial moment he vill say, Mein Gott! Vas is los? Cherman's cannot ball.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 06:02 am:   

When Dirk don't, Howard do. When Howard don't, Terry do!

Love Shaq had that touch at the foul line, eh?
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 06:10 am:   

A Heat fan!? Say it ain't so! As a Knicks fan myself (shaddap!) I've hated all things Heat since the 1997 playoff debacle. Go Dallas!

Big Aristotle my ass.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 07:13 am:   

I'm a recent transplant. I gave up on the Lakers when they traded Shaq. They''re obviously not going to win.

How repulsive it must be to go, Yeah, Terry, Yeah, Howard, Yeah, Dirk....There's nothing manly in that.

Do you get Eurotrash points for being a Dallas fan? I hear you get to choose a special fan name, like Gunnar or Christian. Do you go to a bistro after the game? Do you celebrate with a Gauloise and a sip of wine? And most of all, don't you just love Mark Cuban?

What a statement it makes, to root for a team with such a lame-ass owner. It's really kind of pitiful. I'll gladly take Shaq with all his flaws. At least, rooting for him, I'm not putting my manhood up for grabs.

Dallas, Schmallas! One year wonders. Next year Phoenix'll toast their cheese and all you guys can go back to speaking French in your basement and watching soccer....

You Know?

:-)
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 07:28 am:   

Ja, but I'll be saying Tschuss, Heat boys, have a nice off-season, as I enjoy the bouquet of my dry Mosel Riesling.

Dirk does have that conspicuously elegant mannerism of tucking stray tufts of hair behind his Cryto-Nazi ears. Even so, I don't see him on one of those 'vacations' the Germans like to take to the Phillipines.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 07:31 am:   

Um, that would be Philippines.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 07:43 am:   

Ach, no. You see, you have given a secret away. The Phillipines is und lodge in the Black Forest where ancient Nazi clones and the Dallas Mavericks and their special fans drink May Wine from the navels of young boys. They will haf a massive party if Dallas wins, a celebration that will last 13 days and night, and will culminate with the Elephant Woman, the great whore of the Raper Bahn, using Mark Cuban as a dildo.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 07:49 am:   

OK, that made me laugh out loud.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 07:54 am:   

We'll see who laughs last, Herr Speegle.... :-)
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 08:21 am:   

An amusing aside: I lived in Germany for six years (before moving to Alaska a year and a half ago), and we're hoping to get back in the not too distant future!

Of course you may have known all this and that's why you're terrorizing me. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 08:50 am:   

I noticed a Germanic element in your work. :-)

Ah, yes! Getting back to Germany, to steep oneself in good ol' Prussian values....is there anything besser?

I worked in a cigarette factory and sold drugs in Germany. You really get to know the people that way. Actually, my most salient experience relating to this was when I lived in Cairo. I commonly spent my afternoons sitting at a lemonade stand at the center of the Cairo zoo, watching people feed the animals, and I got to be a pretty good guesser of nationalities by noting which of the animals people gravitated to. The Brits appeared fascinated by the giraffes, the Spanish favored the lions, and one could always find a gaggle of Germans gathered around the hippo cage at feeding time, snapping photos as one of the keepers shoved wads of vegetable matter down the throats of the river horses.

I feel there's something telling in that.
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PM
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 03:46 pm:   

and your preference for a weak ankled giant ... or your Floridian heritage :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 03:48 pm:   

I'll bet Shaq's ankles are stronger than yours.... :-)
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 04:24 pm:   

Thank you for reading, Lucius. I can almost forgive your assualt upon my sensibilities now.:-)

And yeah, I do tend to set a lot of my tales in the Fatherland. The Germans are bizarre, but their land is wundebar. And that fifty-percent taxation on the citizenry makes for some bitchin' hiking and biking trails.

You are a worldly decadent and poet, and astute to boot. That's why you get published in Playboy while the rest of us languish among the nickles.

Still, Shaq is a product of genes, and Wade is a victim of circumstance. Stand such random numerals against that unmanly Defense and that darling Bench, and what do you get? A free ticket to the local Bahnhof.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 04:40 pm:   

Well, i don't really grok the German culture. I saw a thing on ESPN the other day on the World Cup and there was this stadium full of swaztika waving skinheads. That kind of thing tends to put me off viewing a country as vacationland....That and the fact they once kicked me out of a university had invited me to speak because I insisted Moby Dick was a comedy.

Anyhoo, like I said, we'll see on Sunday. If the Heat can take that one it's going to be a long series.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 04:53 pm:   

"Well, i don't really grok the German culture. I saw a thing on ESPN the other day on the World Cup and there was this stadium full of swaztika waving skinheads. That kind of thing tends to put me off viewing a country as vacationland...."

I hear ya.

"That and the fact they once kicked me out of a university had invited me to speak because I insisted Moby Dick was a comedy."

That sounds like the Deutschies. Maybe this is the wrong forum for it, but I'd *love* to hear that story. Jesus, I bet you have the stories, with that biography of yours.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 05:00 pm:   

Oh, btw, I did go ahead and place that bet on the first game. It's been a while since I dabbled, got lucky this time I think. Out of curiosity, do you do your business online or otherwise?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 05:37 pm:   

No, I have a bookie, I don't trust online. Heard too many stories about people not paying off.

Sure, I'll tell you the story, but it tellls better than it writes, so let's see if we wind up at the same convention or something....
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PM
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 09:44 pm:   

"I'll bet Shaq's ankles are stronger than yours"

We'll see who eventually winds up holding whose ankles...:-)
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Darren
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 08:15 am:   

Game 2 coming up!

Shaq couldn't hit a free throw if it was just him, the basket, and a laser-guided basketball.

Wade will be wading through a fog of Terrydust, Dirksweat, and burning sneaker rubber.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 09:33 am:   

Could be. I'd be surprised if the Heat didn't give a better effort.

So in your opinion, the Mavs are using skin cells to stop the Heat? Wow. How hi-tech.

Over to you, Oberlieutenant Speegle...
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Darren
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 09:53 am:   

And genetic enhancement. Which is only fair, after all, since you have the great mutant.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 10:08 am:   

Using fairy dust is hardly manly, but then the Maverick's have always taken a pro-lisp stance.

Rooting for Mark Cuban, I still say, is just so wrong.
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Darren
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 10:26 am:   

You notice I never respond to your Mark Cuban jabs...because I have no response!

Seriously, I think Miami will put up a fight, but woe unto Dallas if they let them take this one. I still think they'd take the series, but it would be a hell of a lot more difficult.

Anyway, back to: Riley stinks of designer cologne and Shaq of wishful thinking.

And: Terry's fairy dust, as every Heat fan now well knows, is what you're left in when he flies by you to the hole.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 10:31 am:   

Yes, but which hole....

I'd say the winner of this game wins the series.

Too nervous to watch. Sports for me today is World Cup Soccer.
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Darren
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 10:32 am:   

I knew that was coming.:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 10:37 am:   

World cup soccer? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 06:12 am:   

God, that was ugly...and I didn't even watch.
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Darren
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 07:08 am:   

No jabs today. Feeling for you.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 07:11 am:   

Well, Don't hold back, I wouldn't. And I still have my repertoire of Xyclon B jokes... :-)
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Darren
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 07:45 am:   

Wrong thread, I know, but what do you think about USA's chances today? I kinda like them, though I couldn't tell you why exactly.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 08:04 am:   

They have a great goaltender, they have a chip on their shoulder, there won't be many chances...But yeah, maybe.

I'm more interested in Ghana-Italy, seeing how Italy plays with all the shit swirling around their team.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:02 am:   

What's with U2 playing in all the US teams promos? Has anyone tumbled to the fact that they're Irish.
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Darren
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:10 am:   

Yeah, that's tough. Both matches should be interesting...he says as CZE has just scored.
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Darren
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:13 am:   

I think U2, themselves, think they're half American.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:23 am:   

The US, thusfar, sucketh...
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Darren
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:48 am:   

They do. They look like they're in a lethargy.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:53 am:   

I'm sick of seeing these huge buildups for US soccer that turn to shit. Wake me up when they actually so something.
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Darren
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 10:01 am:   

I find myself agreeing with you, Lucius. They not only look lethargic, they don't look like they can hang with these guys at all -- the quickness, the footwork, the accuracy of the passing, everything. Ah well.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 10:30 am:   

Utaly-Ghana should be good. Ghana's the best team in Africa and Italy is...Italy.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 10:33 am:   

This is fucking gruesome.
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 04:15 pm:   

Yep that's what I'd say about the Heat...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 04:24 pm:   

Yeah, but then you don't know your ass.....

wink wink :-)
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 05:22 pm:   

As it currently stands you're the one puckerin'...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 05:40 pm:   

Hey, man I didn't bet 'em, I'm just a fan. And I still like em. I'm not a frontrunner hopping from team to team like some.....you know?
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 07:11 pm:   

Didn't you jump on Shaq's back when he left LA?

Granted Shaq had his day but his play now seems more like so much of the regular season. Not exactly stellar.

But have no fear he'll retire eventually and return to his movie career. So have some hope that one day you may be able to review "Return of Steel" or some such...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 07:24 pm:   

Pardon me for digging a player. You're right. It took me about thirty years to get sick of the Lakers.

What's your team, man? You just seem to kibbitz.

As far as the rest of your BS, why don't you eat a shit sandwich?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 06:46 am:   

Are they having another game tonight? You'd think they'd have the decency to wait for next week.
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Darren
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:57 am:   

Tonight, mein Freund. A nice Brazilian aperitif followed by a rich smorgasbord of stuffed Shaq, Wade Wellington, Peyton parfait, and let's never forget Williams whip.:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:13 am:   

Well, that's another I won't watch, though it beats a shit sandwich. Yeah, this reminds me of when Chicago won their first over Magic's Lakers. Except I don't think Dallas will be back,,,,
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   

Brazil sure is good....If Croatia keeps it tight, they'll likely lose 2 nil. If they take a few chances, 4 nil.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   

Croatia played better than I expected. Props to them, Brazil would do well to play without that fat guy who was walking around on the right side.
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Darren
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 04:20 pm:   

Didn't let myself skip work to watch this one. Plan to catch them in some of the more intriguing matchups -- like CZE/IT out of Group E. That's gonna be fun.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 04:32 pm:   

Argentina's next game should be fun. Spain-Ukraine tommorrow morning ditto. I'm addicted. I'm watching about half the games and watching movies for a week. No basketball.... :-)
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Darren
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 04:42 pm:   

I'm coming to your house! Though I'd like to watch Dallas' demolition D by some side TV if possible. We Alaskan Germans are finicky guests like that.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 04:47 pm:   

Well, you could watch in the spare room while I watch Denti (Teeth), a surreal Italian flick.

Alaskan German....Himm. Sig mush! :-)
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Darren
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 04:47 pm:   

BTW, why *has* PM been coming on so strong? You two know each other?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 04:49 pm:   

Just from this board. Beats me.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 05:48 pm:   

Lucius can give as well as he can get.

But I'm just joshing around. I'd offer a kitten for Lucius to hug but I know better :-)

With all the players shuffling around the NBA I've found it difficult to really warm up to most of the teams. And most of my faves are just fading. It's sort of embarassing at times to watch 'em.

I don't hate Shaq --- he's just the sort of player who when he was in his prime lopsided the game.

I used to like Kobe but "cocky rapist" just doesn't mix so well.

And Chris Webber...oh well injuries did him in (and time).

So I'm mildly for the Mavs and I just try to ignore Cuban...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 06:03 pm:   

Yeah, but you must have a favorite team...don't you? And if you don't, why do you have an opinion? And you can't ignore Cuban, because he is the Mavericks.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 06:20 pm:   

Not really a 'favorite' sort of personality. I make a terrible fan.

So many of the players have swapped around that I've lost much of the little enthusiasm I had. I guess I just need to readjust.

I used to like the Spurs and at one time Web was fun to watch.

I used to enjoy Nash and Dirk.

I enjoyed Mutumbo more when he was a Hawk.

So my opinion would be that I enjoyed the game a few years ago much more than at present. Maybe I'll adjust over time...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 06:31 pm:   

We'll hope for that, shall we.

The point I'm making is, if you have no strong position, then goading someone is rather like taking a piss...

...that rarely has a good result.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 06:40 pm:   

Agreed.

Didn't intend to come across as goading.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 07:20 pm:   

Okay.
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Darren
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 07:52 pm:   

I...I...can't believe Dirk admts to listening to David Hasselhoff. Das ist nicht gut. Das ist fucking wrong!

Nine points melt away like butter...
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 07:59 pm:   

Thought I saw some promo of some upcoming new reality show that had the NightRider as a judge of all things.

That, gentlemen, is worthy of a shit sandwich...and some new award for cynicism in greenlighting.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 08:06 pm:   

Oh, yeah! It's worse than you thought, huh, Darren! Hassellhof...hee hee hee.

Hasselhof's having a late career burst....
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Darren
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 08:09 pm:   

Indeed.

Lucius, you gotta turn this thing on. A bit early to say so, but it's gonna be close...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 09:16 pm:   

Didn't turn it on, but whhhheeeee! Heat wins!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:12 pm:   

The sound that you hear is the sound of Lucius
a joy to be heard and always a lot of class....
The hills are alive with the sound of Lucius
because the Heat have beaten the Mavericks' ass....

:-)
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Darren
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 08:27 am:   

The Heat should have lost
This much is true
Best tip one back today
'Cause tomorrow you're stew.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 10:03 am:   

I'm just glad we avoided a sweep, but in the spirit of the moment....

The Mavs are the NBA's Little Jack Horner
with Cuban and Hasselhof in their corner...
The Heat were getting ready to turn their dogs loose,
then they realized all they needed was old Mother Goose....

It doesn't have to make sense. :-)

Going back to Dallas.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 11:14 am:   

Great game between the Saudis and Tunisia. Spain looked good v Ukraine -- they may have thrown off their curse.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 01:54 pm:   

Wow! What a great game between Poland and Germany. I thought that Poland and their brilliant goalie Respicki would hold them off, especially after two shots in extra time went off the crossbar....but then that great cross. Germany one-nil.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 03:04 pm:   

I was wondering, Darren, what the Dirkenstein would like carved on his tomb beneath the picture of Hasellhof wearing a speedo?

Something with "liebe," doubtless.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 03:06 pm:   

I'm assuming, of course, he'll be buried in South Beach.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 03:51 pm:   

Hmmm...is that Lucius over there in the corner singin' along with Kenny Loggins, "the heat is on!"
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Darren
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 04:48 pm:   

Okay, okay, I've been off at my part-time "regular" gig and have missed the day's activities. More power to Germany (sorry, Lucius). Kenny Loggins is Lucifer. As to Dirkenstein's epitaph:

'He had a mild itch in 2006. Some thought it some rare contagion, others an arachnid caught from Hasselhof. In the end it turned out to be only the Miami Heat. Dirk shrugged it off and died of natural causes in 2046, the year the Bundesrepublic of Deutschland finally confessed that they'd been joking a century earlier: the French really could have lined their streets with fruit trees instead of oaks; the soldiers didn't need *that* much shade.'
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 05:00 pm:   

Nah, that doesn't get it for me.

"He luffed David with his whole heart
and was, in fact, having a dream about him
when the enormous schwartze made his
fatal dunk..."

Something like that.


Germany did look like contenders.
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Darren
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 05:35 pm:   

"Ich haf neber seen such loins," cried Dirk.

"Nor ich, such skillful hands," whispered David.

Then the Japanese cook let his knife rest and presented to them the shanks of Shaq...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 05:42 pm:   

What enormous hams!

Well, you got the first two right.

Heat Uberalles!

We are going back to Dallas and David will be waiting at the airport carrying 99 Luftballoons.
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Darren
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 06:48 pm:   

Hams, shanks, they're all game when it comes to Shaq.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 07:13 pm:   

truthfully, it's over in five or six, but the Heat are way cooler than the Mavs. The Mavs have a tremendous geek factor. Cuban alone...

You should have seen Germany-Poland! Great game.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 05:28 am:   

To quote Charlton Heston in Ben Hur, "This is the day, Judah!"

The Mavs are one loss away from beginning the biggest choke in NBA history....
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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 07:26 am:   

I didn't get ya. Did you say "smoke"? The biggest *smoke* in NBA history? I do like the sound of smoked Heat. Set the timer for, let's see, five games at 48 minutes per...nice and slow, till the Heat falls off the bone.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 09:37 am:   

In your Hashelhoff dreams....
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 02:21 pm:   

I can feel it coming in the air tonight...Oh, lord....

Miami Vise!
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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 02:56 pm:   

Please. And as to your previous post, that would almost be funny if I weren't gay.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 03:31 pm:   

I think it's pretty funny any way you look at it.... ;)

After the game, Avery Johnson will sound as if he's been inhaling helium he'll be so wound tight....
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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 03:42 pm:   

That Avery is a trip, accenting each word as if it were his last. By the way, don't tell my wife and kids I have Hasselhof dreams. Julie thinks I'm Baywatching for Pamela Anderson.
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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 03:44 pm:   

Watched England today. Bunch of shots on goal, not sharp though. Should have been 6-0.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 03:53 pm:   

Same with Sweden. No finishing. I'm getting up early to watch Argentina-Serbia.

It's all about Riles tonight!! :-)

Not watching as per usual.
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Darren
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 04:18 pm:   

Der Mavs vill blitzkrieg die Heat behind Dirk the Dreaded Deutschie! (notice the placement of the male and female articles)

I predict: Geeks 98, Jocks 77
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 04:34 pm:   

I noticed...but then the german male article is no real indicator of masculinity. Witness Dirksenstrudel...

As to the score, maybe so, maybe nicht....

The Heat will win in Gott's eyes.

Don't enjoy the game... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 08:51 pm:   

How's the game, Herr Speegle? Has the Dirkenhooser done his victory prance? You are strangely quiet.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 08:56 pm:   

Oh, I see. Well, you almost had the score right. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 09:04 pm:   

Herr Speegle?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 09:12 pm:   

Forgive me, David!

Love,

Dirk
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:41 am:   

Argentina is mauling Serbia -- 2-0 in the first half and it should have been 3-0 had it not been for a faulty offsides call. I have to make them the best I've seen thusfar...and now it IS 3-0. Awesome.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:06 am:   

Guten Morgen, Herr Shepard. Ich bin hier! I didn't run away and hide, though I wanted to for the Mavs' sake. Hang my head in shame. What an ugly, ugly game. A record seven points in the fourth? Christ.

Now it really is interesting...

That Argentina's a good team.

Team USA tomorrow? I can't look.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:18 am:   

The Mavs will still win, but I told you we'd be going back to Dallas. Und who knows...When you have the Beast and Flash on your side....and Stackhouse is likely going to be suspended...and maybe they're in Dirk's head just a little...

Argentina is awesome...USA is not...
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:33 am:   

What's this about Stackhouse?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:37 am:   

Stackhouse is likely to be suspended by the league...all the announcers felt pretty sure that he'd be out for at least a game for going at Shack's head.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 08:03 am:   

Hmm. I didn't think it was all *that* bad.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 08:17 am:   

Fuck! What would have been bad? If he had gone at him with a machete? He went at his head while he was in mid-air. You can't really foul anyone worse than that. They should have tossed him then. Just Shaq is big and took it doesn't make it right. Turn the tables and what would you be saying?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 08:20 am:   

Just because Shaq is big... that should read
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 08:27 am:   

I don't deny it was a hard, flagrant foul. I just don't think he intended to go for his head. But you're right, I might feel differently were the situation reversed.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 08:34 am:   

If it had been reversed, Stackhouse would be dead. But he did go for his head, intentional or not (and I believe it was intentional). And you have to punish him. It was what it was. I was afraid it would pick up Dallas, and they'd play harder, but I worried needlessly.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:10 pm:   

I thought you weren't watching.:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   

I take peeks to check on the score. During one such peek, I saw the attempted murder. But I am not watching. I watched the last couple of minutes, wishing to share in the exultation of my fellow Heat fans, but that's the only stretch I've watched.
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mike m
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:21 pm:   

I'll never forget watching Brad Miller and Shaq get into a scuffle one year. Miller was probably one foot away from one of the nastiest swings I've ever seen. Would have been lights out.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:37 pm:   

Yeah, I recall that. Them were the days when Shaq didn't have a firm grip on his emotions.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 04:13 pm:   

It's official -- Stackhouse suspended for a game.
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PM
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 04:38 pm:   

Stackhouse was lucky. If one was going to do something idiotic then why not go after Wade?

Dirk certainly took a hard smack to his arm but that doesn't justify it.

Maybe the Mavs will lose and that will be its own reward for bad behavior.

Sometimes it just seems that the teams should street fight at half-time.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 05:13 pm:   

The league used to be a lot more physical. Given Avery's anger, I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a run at Wade.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 05:15 pm:   

Lucky? Jesus Christ, what should they do, cut off his hands? I've seen a thousand NBA games and three dozen similar fouls. Sure, fine him. Okay, suspend him. But fuck.

I know you're going to disagree, Lucius. I ask only that you remember *I* didn't commit the foul. Truly, I wish I'd said nothing about it -- because I do see it from your side, probably more than I did originally. But you know, I ran this by my wife, who was watching the game with me -- she's an occasional and casual basketball fan at best, and certainly has no ties to Dallas -- and she agreed the foul was hard, it was intentional, it was committed out of frustration, but it wasn't intended to hurt Shaq.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 05:22 pm:   

We cross-posted, Lucius. I won't even respond to the remark about someone having a run at Wade except to say these are all a bunch of tough grown men. I wish we could get back to blistering on our respective teams.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 05:43 pm:   

You sound exercised. I said I remember when the league was a lot rougher. And my remark about Wade was simply that I wouldn't be surprised, not that I felt any particular way about it. Truly, I don't think he should have been suspended. Or Posey. Or Artest. Terry earned his suspension, I believe. Can't have punches thrown. But all you can ask is that the rules be applied consistently, and they have been during the playoff, at least by the league office. So, by that consistency, I figured Stackhouse would be suspended. The reason I said what I did about Wade was that Miami has been outphysicalling the Mavs, and I think Avery will encourage a more physical approach to game 5. I don't really think I said anything to get upset about.

Mavs suck.

See, all better. :-)
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:05 pm:   

Until they correct that Thursday debacle, they do.

And I thought you were the one exercised. Anyway, peace. Outside the war, that is.:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:17 pm:   

No, not at all. I remember the days when Charles Barkely used to go at Shaq 2 or 3 times a game. But post-Pistons-Pacers there's been a clampdown on any sort of rough stuff, and I'm not convinced that's altogether a bad thing, though it does remove a certain something from the game. Anyway, I saw firsthand a fight between Bob Lanier and Chamberlain that was memorable. Chamberlain came up behind Lanier, who was about to mix in a fight between two other players, and picked him up and threw him about twelve feet. Lanier landed on his butt, which absorbed all the shock. End of fight. I heard Lanier talk about it once, and he said he started to get up, but then thought better of it. :-)
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:36 pm:   

That's another story I gots to hear in person.

You mentioned the Pacers -- that's were my wife's and my interest in basketball converge. She's Indianan, I'm, God forbid, Alabamian. When we were first married -- fourteen years ago last week, actually -- I became interested in the Pacers, followed them until they began to fall apart.

As to Barkely, well, he can become the gov'ner he's dreamed of becoming (I'm sure he'd do equally well in that booth as his current one), and I ain't there anymore to give a fuck.

Julie, naturally, is now a Tide fan.:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:46 pm:   

Well, I'm sure Julie's very nice, so we won't hold that agin her.

DId you see Argentina? God, they are fucking amazing.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:56 pm:   

I didn't. I was at my reg gig. You'd think working six hours a week to bring in a $300 monthly supplement, I'd have a chance to catch all this. Problem is, those hours are in the morning. Are Argentina going to lay waste? I've not been especially taken with some of the advancers so far.

How do you feel about England (one of the teams I'm rooting for)? They caught a lot of flack for that T&T match, but I felt it was more a matter of sharpness -- that on a crisp day they would have had an Argentina-like score. Understand, I'm not a soccer afficionado..
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:06 pm:   

Nab that extra 'f' and I'm not a spelling aficionado either.
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:11 pm:   

So did you read about -- or see -- Cuban's appearance on Letterman this past week, after game two I'm guessing? Was said he acted arrogantly, maintaining a cocksure grin on his face as he behaved as though the thing were already over. I didn't like that. We all know he's a geek, nerd, rich brat, etc. but I really didn't like that.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:12 pm:   

England hasn't looked good, but it's a long tournament. So far, though, if it weren't for Beckham and his amazlingly accurate crosses, they might be out...

Argentina is the best team by far thusfar. ESPN will show highlights of their second goal, which was astonishingly brillant. They routed a good side, Serbia, 6 zip. Just a complete domination. They're playing with confidence and amazing creativity and have guys on the bench who're superstars. Brazil and them are the most talented teams in the tourney, but Brazil isn't playing up to their talent yet and Arg is.

But as has been pointed out to me, things can change in the tournament and there's hope for England. Me, I want to see Brazil v Argentina in the final. That would be a shoot-out.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:23 pm:   

Don't watch Letterman. Arrogant? What a shocker?
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:23 pm:   

And, I imagine, a thing of beauty. Looking forward to what viewing time this weekend affords.

One must have the subtle appetizer before the harsh main dish.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   

A thing of multiple short passes threaded with uncanny precision.....

Who knows what Sunday brings. Only sure thing, I won' be watching
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Darren
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:39 pm:   

Watch. You owe. Watch.
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Darren
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 10:54 am:   

Wow! Go Ghana!

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