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Jorge
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 08:42 am:   

Do normal people exist al all in Texas?

Seing what some proeminent citizens of that place think and do, one wanders about what kind of mutagenics must exist in the atmosphere there to produce such aberrations.

Just see http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-02-17-1.html
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Ellen
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 09:25 am:   

Orson Scott Card lives in Utah NOT Texas Jorge.
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Josh Lukin
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 09:48 am:   

Three sane Texans --Ivins: http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=3&ColumnsName=miv
Hightower: http://hightower.fmp.com/weblog.php
Jensen: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Erjensen/freelance/freelance.htm
Don't know if Utahists (what *do* you call them?) can be outdone in terms of general erroneousness, but they're the most normal people in the U.S. What does normality have to do with anything?
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RobertW
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:02 am:   

I moved out of Texas when Bush was elected governer. That wasn't the reason, but it sounds good. Problem is, I don't want to leave the country. I want him to.

Robert
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Jorge
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:02 am:   

... and was born in Richmond, Washington...

Well... ahem... coff... looks like my intentionally provocative topic (and message) just boomeranged. "Bonc", my skull says. "Onconconc", the echo echoes.

In my (slightly pathetic) defense, he does speak like a true texan. Very JREwinguesque. Ahem. And the info that the guy was texan came from a brazilian friend of mine - I should have checked, though.

I still think the mutagenic theory was a good theory, though... :-)
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:58 am:   

"Born in Richland, Washington, Card grew up in California, Arizona, and Utah. He lived in Brazil for two years as an unpaid missionary for the Mormon Church.... He currently lives in Greensboro, North Carolina."

http://www.hatrack.com/osc/about.shtml
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Timmi D.
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 01:40 pm:   

Josh Lukin writes: "Don't know if Utahists (what *do* you call them?) can be outdone in terms of general erroneousness, but they're the most normal people in the U.S."

I lived briefly in Utah, & IIRC, the correct term is "Utahn." The suffix "-ist" is usually used with verbs ending in "-ize" & with nouns ending in "-ism." "-ist" tends to denote not residents of a place, but practicers & followers of ideologies & belief-systems. Last time I heard, living in Utah didn't make one a Mormon. (I mean, look at me: I escaped unscathed.)

Timmi
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 04:10 pm:   

I lived in Utah for three years. You won't believe this, given my far-left political ideas and my bizzare, often horrific writing, but I'm a practicing "Mormon" (the correct term is "Latter-day Saint"). The Utah Mormon is a particularly troublesome beast. Us (more enlightened? I hope!) left-wing Mormons call them "Utahrds". Not terribly politically correct, but it works on so many levels.

And, contrary to Card's article, there are more than 17 liberals in Utah. I knew of at least 20 in Provo, the hotbed of conservative Mormonism.

Outside of Utah, there are many, many more of us. Thank goodness.

Forrest
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Forrest
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 04:10 pm:   

And no. There are no normal people in Texas. At least not when I lived there in the early '70s.

Forrest
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GabrielM
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 04:17 pm:   

>>You won't believe this, given my ... bizzare, often horrific writing...but I'm a practicing "Mormon"


You're not in bad company -- there's always Neil LaBute!
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 12:49 am:   

And Orson Scott Card.

Oh, wait.
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Forrest
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 07:00 pm:   

LOL!!

Try Brian Evenson. Especially his more recent stuff. You wouldn't guess he was Mormon - unless you were a Mormon. Anyway, I'm off topic. "Bomb Texas, not Iraq"!

Forrest

PS: I mis-spoke. Jim Hightower may be the last sane person living in Texas. Josh is right about that.
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RobertW
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 06:01 am:   

Hey--I still have parents in Texas!
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Forrest
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 03:09 pm:   

Robert - you are forgiven. No, seriously, didn't mean to insult your parents . . . just all of their neighbors.

Actually, Austin is a kind of island of sanity among the rest of the hullabaloo down there. There is some sanity there.
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Nancy Jane Moore
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 07:11 am:   

Hey, I'm with Robert: Don't blame all this on Texas. There are lots of sane people in Texas (and not just in Austin). My parents still live there, too, and I know a lot of voices of rationality down there. The thing is, they tend to be voices crying in the wilderness.
I don't even think Geo W was born in Texas; I believe his daddy immigrated from Conn. after he was born. Besides, real Texans don't go to Yale as legacies.
As for Utah, I just got a report from Moab, so there's some sanity out there, too.
Nancy, who is a fifth generation (Anglo) Texan on both sides (including some real cowboys and such) and is getting damn tired of Yankee immigrants who layer on fake Texan identities. (And who lives in the colony of Washington, DC, where, trust me, most of us are very bitter about the current resident of 1600 Pa Ave.)
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 09:22 am:   

Off-topic, but I just thought I'd mention that I loved your story "Three O'Clock in the Morning" (the only thing of yours I've read); in fact, it's one of my favourite stories on FM.
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Nancy Jane Moore
Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 05:13 am:   

Nicholas, thanks for the nice words. I'm sure writing compliments are never completely off topic on writing discussion boards! And anyway we should probably get off the war topic every once in awhile. I woke up screaming at the radio again. Getting very tired of that. It's not the radio's fault that the news sucks.
Nancy
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 07:12 am:   

You're welcome. Do you have any collections, novels or such out? Google is being singularly unhelpful at ferreting out information about you.
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Nancy Jane Moore
Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 08:45 am:   

Hmm. When I google myself I get my web page, but I always suspected that was because Google figured out that I was asking! Guess I was right. I don't have any collections out as yet, but I do have stories coming out in two magazines and three anthologies over the next few months. And some other stuff on the Web. It's all listed on my Web page: http://home.earthlink.net/~nancyjane
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:23 am:   

Right. Thanks.
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Jim.
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 01:56 pm:   

Hey everybody- I'm an englishman abroad in Wales and I don't think that all americans are savage, war-mongering, inbred retards.

I'd really quite like to live in america one day.

I do think that our sycophantic prime minister and your good ol' boy of a president should be launched into space mind...

Possibly on the back of a WMD
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Mike
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:25 am:   

By the way, unless he's moved recently, Scott Card lives in North Carolina, not Texas or Utah, although he hails from the latter state. And an example of Texas rationality who drives almost all neocons irrationally bonkers is Molly Ivins. Indeed, the conservatives foam at the mouth when they hear her name, but they rarely address the facts about mismanagement, unfairness, and complete ineptitude that she documents in her columns.
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Nicholas Liu
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:20 am:   

>> "By the way, unless he's moved recently, Scott Card lives in North Carolina, not Texas or Utah. . . ."

I do believe I posted this fact earlier.
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Annie Okley
Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 03:10 pm:   

I just read that pig-ignorant rant he spewed and am going to rip up what novels of his I have and send them to his publisher with a highly displeased note. Anyone who wants to let him know in person how unimpressed they are with him can call the bigoted SOB at 336-282-9848 ... and remember kids, be articulate, he's the type that is impressed by big words.
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Steven Francis Murphy
Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 07:11 am:   

I'll buy them, Annie. Send them to me.

My address is posted on this board somewhere.

Jesus, if I sat down and ripped up every book I've read written by assholes I disagree with politically, my science fiction shelves would be empty. :-)

Respects,
S. F. Murphy
http://sfmurphy.journalspace.com
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Matthew Rossi
Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 10:29 am:   

I love Texas. Texas gave me my Grandmother, my first serious sexual experience (Ah, I miss you, Hayley - She was English, but she liked me because I was from America and she thought I sounded Texan. If you ever speak to me, you'll realize how insane this idea is) and my book. Texas is like America in microcosm: full of crazy assholes, but ultimately full of good folks as well.

Still, I'll never live there. WAY too damn hot.

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