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jeff ford
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 08:11 pm:   

I really want to see old Rush do some jail time for his purchase of illegal narcotics. Think of all the people sitting out there in prisons on some half-baked drug charge. Rush gets to go to rehab and they get to go to prison. Shit, Tommy Chong just got arrested for "selling" paraphenalia. What's wrong with this picture? Rush had nothing but the most vile invective for people using illegal drugs or saddled with a drug problem on his stupid ass radio show. I say send him up the river and give him a taste of his own medicine.

Best,


Jeff
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rick bowes
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 08:41 pm:   

If the charges against him - buying illegal narcotics - stand up, then his going into rehab, won't make much difference in state like Florida with lots of mandated drug sentencing guidelines. It's interesting that he's a junkie, the whole dittohead phenomenon had about it a lot of the aspects of a drug cult. Somebody told me and I don't know if it's true, that one of the side effects of prolonged Oxycontin use can be deafness.
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paulw
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 04:51 am:   

Right you are, Rick:

"Research has found that abuse of opiate-based painkillers like OxyContin can lead to profound hearing loss caused by damage to the inner ear, said Dr. Gail Ishiyama, an assistant professor at the UCLA department of neurology. She could not confirm that was Limbaugh's case without access to his medical history."

Assholes like Limbaugh preach the morality of personal responsiblity until it becomes the standard by which their own behavior must be judged; then, suddenly, he is not to blame, but rather this "highly addictive substance." The devil or drug made me do it!
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Laura
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 07:32 am:   

Rush Limbaugh deaf?

I always suspected it . . .now I know its true!
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LeslieWhat
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 12:25 pm:   

Much as I'd like to see Rush do jail time, it would also be nice if celebrities who use drugs would cop to it and then try to use their position to get our drug policies changed to reflect reality.
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rick bowes
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 01:27 pm:   

Leslie - I think that conjures a system so rational that drug policy wouldn't need to be changed.

If it comes down to criminal charges and the necessity for clemency then Jeb Bush would have to decide if the law really applied to right-wing celebrities.

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Bowen Mendenhall
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 02:07 am:   

There's an article at kuro5hin.org on this subject, with subsequent lengthy discussion, which I found interesting, although I can't agree with it completely. I like to think of myself as a forgiving person, but there are a few people who have exhausted my natural store of goodwill. Rush Limbaugh is definitely looking for a spot on the list.
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jeff ford
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 04:37 am:   

Bowen: Thanks for the link to the interesting article. I appreciate it.

Best,


Jeff
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R.Wilder
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 07:41 am:   

The day I suddenly hated Rush Limbo was the Monday after Kurt Cobain blew his brains out. I happened upon the creep on the radio as he was spouting off on anyone who was mourning the rocker's death. He repeatedly called him a moral degenerate, because he was a JUNKIE! He said it didn't matter what kind of artist he was or talent he had, because he was a JUNKIE! JUNKIES and moral degenerates deserve nothing but our disgust, said Rush. Well, now, it isn't the Universe sometimes a delicious place. Turns out El Rushbo is a moral degenerate, too. Because he's a JUNKIE!!! I love it!!! I hope they bust his bloated ass, and slam him into a Federal Pen!!
Because Rush is a JUNKIE!!
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jeff ford
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 07:46 am:   

R. Wilder: Beautifully put. A great specific example. And "delicious" eloquently sums it up. Thanks!

best,

jeff
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Forrest
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 11:27 am:   

If Rush is jailed (and, though I hope against hope that he will be, I don't think he will) he'll probably be put up in some cushy semi-retirement golf club with barbed wire to make it look like he's actually being punished. Sorry to be so cynical - I hope the clown goes down hard, but I don't think he will.

Personally, I'd love to see him locked up in Fort Leavenworth, where he can stay with all the military heros he goes on and on about. I think he'd have a very different view about heroism and maybe an appreciation for what poverty, war, and military life can do to a person, since he's so hell bent on sending the poor off to fight wars where we don't belong.

Forrest
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Richard Parks
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 12:15 pm:   

Rush has got about as much chance of doing serious jail time as Jeb Bush's daughters. It's different when you have money. Shouldn't be, but it is.

Yes, Rush is a flaming hypocrite. He's a lot of other things normally found under rocks; this is nothing new. I wonder if this will even make a dent among the Faithful. I swear about a week ago I heard a reasonably intelligent human being describe Rush as "a class act." This about the man who once referred to Chelsea Clinton on-air as the White House dog (ok, he said the phrase and held up her picture. Same thing) and said all drug addicts should be locked up. Will _he_ be locked up for the same failing he condemned in others? Almost certainly not. Will his Dittohead flock forgive him or turn on him? So far as I can see they don't think there's anything to forgive. They are mildly disappointed at best, even assuming they believe the evidence of their own eyes and ears.

Most people believe what they choose to believe, and facts be damned. I'd like to think I'm wrong about this, but the evidence is everywhere.
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rick bowes
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 03:42 pm:   

The dittoheads, like the Sunni diehards in Iraq, are what happens when a group that feels itself entitled thinks its entitlement is threatened. I'm surprised they don't make common cause with each other.
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John Picacio
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:49 pm:   

I agree with the Richard Parks assessment above, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the Cobain irony. Hey, Dittoheads -- how does THAT taste?

Let these right-wingers keep talking and persist with their moral indignation and condemnations and eventually they end up torching themselves.

Rush....Ann Coulter...Joe Scarborough....hatemongers all. There isn't a Hell hot enough for these hypocrites.
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Minz
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 07:46 am:   

Amen, John.
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Michael Bishop
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 04:41 am:   

Experience strongly suggests that people who fulminate the most vehemently against a particular shortcoming or "sin" subconsciously recognize that they have a hidden -- or not so hidden -- proclivity for just that sort of behavior. I'd argue that hypocrisy results from failing to recognize this fact on a conscious level and that Rush has fallen victim not only to addiction but also to a more thoroughgoing failure to know himself as well as he thinks he knows others.

I don't care for any of the folks that John lists in his last line in a previous posting, but I'd caution against fulminating too vehemently against even the flaming hypocrites . . .
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jeff ford
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 05:02 am:   

Michael: You're ruining my fun, but I know ultimately you are correct. From here on out let's keep the fulminating at half to 6/8ths flame. There is also the danger of hypocricy, though, in insinuating the hypocricy of those who revel when the hypocrite is unmaked. This hypocricy thing is a self-replicating virus.

Best,

Jeff

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Richard Parks
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 06:42 am:   

We hate in others the failings we see/fear in ourselves. It's true. Darnit. Though that bit of self-awareness means we're never going to be as good at righteous wrath as the dittoheads.

Can I still call Rush a big doody-head?
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JV
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 07:04 am:   

The fact remains--Limbaugh is a self-righteous fuck who has caused a lot of pain and trouble for a lot of honest people. Both Limbaugh and Gingrich will never even for a moment have my sympathy. It's one thing to have the failing, and to be hypocritical about it in your dealings with others. We all do that to some degree, except for Buddha.

It's quite another thing to use your authority at a national level to cause pain for lots of other people.

Jeff
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jeff ford
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 07:58 am:   

Richard: Just a doody.

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rick bowes
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 08:22 am:   

This affair will tie a can to Limbaugh's tail. It will always be there. He's either going to have to spend a lot of timing talking about it or a lot of time dodging it.
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Mike
Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:18 am:   

Hey, don't think I don't take some glee in the discovery that the Big Fat Idiot is also a Big Fat Hypocrite . . .
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jeff ford
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 07:32 pm:   

Mike: I know. I was only kidding. I already had you down in the "Yes" column. You did make a valid point.
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Mike
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 05:40 am:   

Maybe so, but I also seem to have stopped the, uh, fulminating, which I was enjoying vicariously while positioning myself above the fray. Did anybody see the comic strip "Boondocks" today? It hit this very topic right on the head.

So: Keep lambasting Limbaugh!
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Jim
Posted on Monday, November 10, 2003 - 01:58 pm:   

Is Rush the American equivalant of Jim Davidson?

Here in the UK we have this witless comedian called Jim Davidson who has been peddling the same jokes since the late seventies...

They are all crap (I wouldn't mind so much if they were funny!) ones about mother in laws and "Pakis and their corner shops."

Despite the fact that he is a witless moron he has been rewarded by endless presenting jobs on the BBC and a National newspaper column where he gets to tell us all why we should join the army as it makes a man of one (He never actually did, mind) and several misguided fools call him a comic genius...

I'd quite like it if he was caught out in some scandal or another- but then prostitutes, drugs and wife beating incidents haven't damaged him one little bit as far as I can tell- I think the same'll happen with this Limbaugh fellow.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 06:25 am:   

Unfortunately, Jim, that is not the case. Limbaugh is a loud, obnoxious, self-inflated hatemonger who disguises himself as a political commentator (and that's the nice version of my description of Rush). It is also unfortunate that a very small (but not small enough) and extremely vocal portion of the US populace buys into his crap.

But speaking of comedy:
What's the difference between the Hindenberg and Rush Limbaugh . . .















One's a flaming Nazi windbag and the other's a dirigible.
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Jeff ford
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 07:49 am:   

Minz: Next time I see you, you will be rewarded one free drink of your choice for the above joke. I got a kick out of that one. Thanks!

Best,


Jeff
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Richard Parks
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 12:21 pm:   

According to an article on Salon, Rush has completed the first phase of his rehab and will be resuming his radio hosting duties. Six more weeks at the outside and it'll be like none of this even happened. Started to say "six months" but I don't think it'll take near that long. Next he'll be back to referring to drug addicts as scum because he went through the same thing, he beat it and so could they, if only they weren't liberal creampuffs and moral degenerates.

They also weren't multi-millionaires with lawyers who don't get hauled off to jail at first excuse, but he won't mention that bit.
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Minz
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 10:31 pm:   

Jeff:

Only way I accept that drink is if you let me buy the next round . . .

Cheer,
Jim

P.S. Richard, you're depressingly dead on.
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jeff ford
Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 03:27 am:   

Richard: Thanks for the update. You know, I actually thought something serious was going to befall Rush at this juncture, but what was I thinking? What do you think would have happened to us if we had been in this position?

Best,

Jeff
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paulw
Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 05:09 am:   

What's amazing to me is that all legal consequences of his actions seem to have simply vanished into thin air. I mean, this guy broke the law. Repeatedly. With drugs. And now it's as though he's paid his debt to God and society. He'll come back on Monday, sniffle into his golden microphone, thank God and his supporters, without whom he couldn't have beaten his curse, and then it'll be as if it never even happened. There should be cops waiting to slap the handcuffs on him the second he sets foot out of his drug treatment hideaway.
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Richard Parks
Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 06:25 am:   

If that had been you or me? Heh. Not sure how it's done elsewhere, but I'd currently be wearing sporty green and white striped pants, picking up dead animals and garbage on the side of the road under the watchful eye of a humorless man in mirrorshades. If I was very, very lucky.

I read over my post of the 12th again. I know it sounds cynical. It IS cynical. I hate feeling that way. Few things would make me happier than to be proven totally wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
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rick bowes
Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:54 am:   

Speaking of escaping just punishment,Jeff, are you reading in NYC a week from Friday?
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jeff ford
Posted on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 03:09 am:   

Rick: Sorry, just saw this. Yeah, I'm going to be reading there and I'm going to try to make lunch that day too. I'll post the date and time and place and stuff on the new stuff thread here. Will drop you a line off the board.
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rick bowes
Posted on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 10:36 am:   

That will be great.
Rush is going to be there too. Right out of treatment!
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Henry Samson
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 08:17 am:   

Sorry, I'm a bigtime Rush fan. Anyone can get hooked on painkillers, it happened to my mom, and almost happened to me.

And like it or not, Rush is simply telling the truth on his show. I hear many call him names, but I have yet to hear anyone refute his arguments with anything more profound than "Nun-uh."

As for those in jail or prison on drug charges, I hope they stay there until I'm old and gray.
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Richard Parks
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:02 am:   

"As for those in jail or prison on drug charges, I hope they stay there until I'm old and gray."

Are you just trolling, or does the irony of this statement totally elude you?
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LeslieWhat
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:55 am:   

Today, as I sat in the endodontist's chair totally stoned and digging the nitrous, I tuned in Rush, newly returned to his show.

I thought, why am I wasting my drugs on him? and switched over to the classical station.

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Thomas R
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 12:43 pm:   

I can see a certain value in someone from the other side. No offense, but to often at Nightshades the discussions seem to me to devolve into dittoheadism for the Left. We "all" agree Bush=Stupid, Rush=jerk, Ashcroft=Fascism, etc than if an alternate opinion shows up it's deemed trolling. Perhaps my perception is skewed, but that's how I see it.

Also prescription drugs is an addiction that can come about through innocent ways. Getting your maid to try to help you "score" and ranting against drug addicts while being one is slightly different. Many in my family love Rush, and as a person I used to be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I admit as soon as I heard him he struck me as ultimately unhelpful for his side. As time went by I'd just assumed he became irrelevant as I heard less of him. This escapade dimmed what little respect I had.

If it helps though Henry I'm willing to defend the current President, William Bennett, and such.
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rick bowes
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 01:37 pm:   

It's possible for a patient to become addicted to drugs - in cases of terminal illness it's beside the point. Otherwise, it's always somebody's responsibility. If not the patient's, then the doctor's. If Limbaugh had no part in his own addiction then his doctor is guilty of malpractice and should be identified.
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Thomas R
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 02:34 pm:   

Oh I think it's probably his own responsibilty. If throughout his addiction it'd been some quack doctor who'd been his pusher I might feel different.

Still although I didn't like him or anything I don't have the same schadenfreude thing about his situation either. I'd like to think I'd be that way if a Left-wing commentator had some similar fall from grace too, but I admit I may not be that good a person. If Al Franken was discovered to be some kind of horrid hypocrite I'm not sure how I'd react. I guess a part of me would be amused, but I'd like to think I wouldn't go on about it for over a month.
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jeff ford
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 02:34 pm:   

Henry & Thomas: I have no problem with you coming by and voicing your opinions. This is my message board, and like I said in the past, you are always welcome. Opposing opinions to mine are especially welcome. Thanks for the input.

Best,


Jeff
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rick bowes
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 02:40 pm:   

Why, not? That fuck head has run on about less for years on end.
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Thomas R
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 03:27 pm:   

Tit for tat is a pretty weak argument. Besides he makes a living off running his mouth about nothing. It's talk radio that's almost the point. Likewise on the Left you have Michael Moore or Al Franken or James Carville or whoever. People who also can do the schtick of babbling about little for years on end. Anyway why respond at near their level when you have even less to gain from it then they would? I guess maybe it's cathartic after a fashion, but after awhile I think it's just redundant.

Also it just seems kind of passe to me. Almost like "take that guy who seemed moderately important ten years ago." Nowadays you've got all new Right wing cranks(that I'd even count as cranks mostly) People like Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, etc. Why waste time on some marginalized has been?

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Stephanie Quillan
Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 03:49 pm:   

Here's an idea- Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore in an iron cage tournament...

I'd describe myself as centre left- and find them equally annoying...

Steph
-x-
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Greyson English-Fart
Posted on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:10 pm:   

Jeff, I am a single, homosexual male that gets his kicks by listening to douche bags like this and laughing my loose little ass off. My solution for this Rush Limbaugh Cock-sucker is to hang him from his feet from a tree and burn his testicles with a blow torch. Too brutal? I think for all the bullshit this volatile crap machine has pumped out into the environment he deserves it.

lots of love,
G. English-Fart
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paulw
Posted on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:47 pm:   

I don't think you can call Limbaugh a "marginalized has-been" when his radio show reaches an audience in the tens of millions.

Would that he were!
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rick bowes
Posted on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:12 pm:   

Greyson, I've had enough of this effete British molly-coddling of offenders. A simple, manly, all-American rimming out with a pneumatic drill should do the trick with a minimum of muss and fuss and a maximum of enjoyment for the huge paying audience.
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Thomas R
Posted on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:30 pm:   

He does seem more popular than I thought. Still Father Coughlin reached something like 45 million when they were less people in the country. He was also way more vile and hateful. In the end he also collapsed, and I just really do feel the peak of Rush's influence is behind him. Also consider how many of his 20 million listeners are doing so ironically. Ultimately then he's equal to a winner on American Idol, perhaps.
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paulw
Posted on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:59 pm:   

Thomas, Limbaugh and those like him count on people to underestimate his influence. Coughlin stopped broadcasting under orders from his Church superiors -- not because he had lost his audience, if I remember correctly. As for how many of his listeners are doing so ironically, I don't know, and neither do you. As many, perhaps, as voted "ironically" for Bush.
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Greyson
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 02:18 pm:   

Rick,
I whole-heartedly agree about the hole drill idea. I think, though, if we blockaded off a section of, say, Kansas City. We unload 100 rapists into one corner of the "quarantine area." Then we take 50 serial killers and put 'em in another corner. Next, a corner full of psycho's. Im not talkin about bi-polar people. Im sayin 35 people talkin to there hand. The people you'd find talkin to themselves in the corner of an Orange Julius thats been closed down for 3 years. Finally, we get 6 blind people, and give 'em 18 wheelers. Put Rush in the middle. Get some camaras set up. Broadcast it nationwide. Then turn the mother fuckers loose. CHEERS!!!
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anonymous
Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 09:49 pm:   

"This about the man who once referred to Chelsea Clinton on-air as the White House dog (ok, he said the phrase and held up her picture."

Actually, he did neither. (and he didnt hold up any photos. They were all flashed on a video monitor.

Transcript from lexis nexis:

Copyright 1992 Multimedia Entertainment, Inc.
RUSH LIMBAUGH
SHOW: RUSH LIMBAUGH (9:00 PM ET)
November 6, 1992, Friday 11:15 AM

LIMBAUGH: Thank you. This show's era of dominant influence is just beginning. We are now the sole voice of sanity, the sole voice of reason. We are the sole voice of opposition on all television. This is the only place you can tune to to get the truth of the opposition of the one-party dictatorial government that now will soon run America. Oh, I mean, we are only beginning to enjoy dominance and prosperity. Most of these things on the in-out list are not even funny, but a couple of them--one of them in particular is.

David Hinckley of--of the New York Daily News wrote this, and what he has--he's got--it's very strange. He says, In: A cute kid in the White House. Out: Cute dog in the White House.' Could--could we see the cute kid? Let's take a look at- -see who is the cute kid in the White House.

(A picture is shown of Millie the dog)

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) No, no, no. That's not the kid.

(Picture shown of Chelsea Clinton)

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) That's--that's the kid. We're trying to...



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jeff ford
Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 10:54 pm:   

Hey, Rush, lay off those pills, dude.
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Brendan
Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 11:05 pm:   

Only anonymous people will defend Rush? That is good.
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rich
Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 11:53 am:   

You know how cockroaches, rats and other virulent pests seek to remain hidden in the shadows. Big talk from small, cowardly people.
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jeff ford
Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 01:57 pm:   

I wasn't sure what was going on with that post at first, but now I get it. Anonymous is defending Rush against charges that he called Chelsea Clinton the White House
Dog. I don't doubt that Anon is probably correct here, but the larger question is really, IS RUSH A PILL POPPING HYPOCRITE OR NOT? That's the big question Anon. Got any insights on that one or transcripts perhaps? Feel free to post here any time. I enjoy descenting opinions.

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jeff ford
Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 02:02 pm:   

Brendan & Rick: Even though Anon is welcome to post here, I have to agree with you guys -- that Anonymous business is weak sauce, man. There's something really impotent about it. Pathetic, really. Come out Anonymous. Let us know who you are. There's worse shit in the world than liking Rush. Just think, you could be a hypocitical pill popper and wish imprisonment and worse on drug addicts everywhere because they don't measure up to your high standards of morality.
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rich
Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 02:13 pm:   

descenting=descending+dissenting . . . hmmmmm. Gotta love Freudian typos.
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Brendan
Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 11:02 pm:   

Yes - I don't dislike someone because they are a Rush fan. We are all brothers and all that sort of thing, right? I might belittle and berate you for liking Rush, but I will not hate you.
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rick bowes
Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 09:21 am:   

"I might belittle and berate you for liking Rush, but I will not hate you."

No need for you to. I'll take care of that.

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Brendan
Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 11:28 am:   

Thanks Rick!
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William Corbi
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 03:30 pm:   

Hi everyone,

If theres one thing that burns me up, is a hypocrite. Rush, like many other flag wavers has no idea when to keep his mouth shut. You have heard the line, "give a fool a rope, and he'll hang himself. Lets not forget the other fine public servants. Ted Kennedy!! I better not go there. One other thing, a 28 day rehab is a joke.I checked in for 42 days, and one thing I learned is that your not gonna stop until your ready. How can kids check into a good rehab program without 30 grand? Thats the cost if you have no insurance. Maybe a big star like Rush could throw in a few million, and ask his Hollywood croonies to help. Rush to Rush'es rehab, or RRR. Rush?? Help!!!!

Billy Corbi
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William Corbi
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 04:09 pm:   

Hi everyone,

Until we are all hit with the truth hammer, we will let things keep going like they always have. Theres no difference in our nations leaders. You know that BS walks, and money talks.What we need is another tea party. Im fifty eight, and these people don't care for us. Rush and his friends are always talking about helping the older people, and what a disgrace it is when the elderly can't afford medicine. I see illegal aliens getting food and medicine with their medicaid cards. Whats that all about? Talk to your rich friends in high places Rush. Can you say VETERANS? One more thing and Im gone. I have many friends in Iraq. We talk, play cards, and have become good friends. I was playing cards yesterday, and one joined in. I finally asked him, "Sarg, what is the real truth in Iraq. He didn't take long to answer me. He said,"Please pray for us." That broke my heart and I told him, all of us here had been praying from day one. Do you ever talk to our troops Rush, the ones that tell the truth? God bless our men and women that are in harms way.

Billy Corbi
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jeff ford
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 08:27 pm:   

Billy: Thanks for dropping in and dumping on Rush. Stop by any time. This topic is one that I hope will stay active through the years. I just saw that loathesome toad tonight on TV, but I switched the channel. I'm not ready to deal with Rush right now, I got too much vitruol left after the election to last me for a while. And I'm with you. You gotta have sympathy for the soldiers in Iraq. I'm so damned glad my own boys aren't two years older. The loss of life and the devastation on both sides is a travesty of epic proportion.

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