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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 07:21 pm:   

Well,I'm hopeful... :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 08:30 pm:   

you eternal optimist you
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 09:36 pm:   

There you go...
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 10:16 pm:   

Waiting for my books and DVD player to clear customs. I'm back in China, where cheap dvds flow like water, and am looking forward to rejoining the "good movies" discussion.

Bought "Purple Butterfly" a couple days ago but haven't watched it yet. Ye Lou's follow up to the great (I think) "Suzhou River".

Lots of catching up to do,,, Malaysia was a bust for DVDs.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 05:45 am:   

Are you back for a while or just a visit?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   

Link to this message By Brendan Connell on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Saw Le Cercle Rouge. Another one with Gian Maria Volonte'. Very good.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   

My viewing has dropped to almost nothing and will probably continue so until after I come back from Europe...though I am going to see the new Fantastic Four movie :-(
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 06:03 pm:   

Will you review the F4 film?

I'm getting close to reactivating Netflix, so I hope to see some actually good films soon. Relying on cable keeps me watching mostly crap. I think the only good movies I've seen in 2007 were Hot Fuzz and Black Gold.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 08:05 pm:   

Yep. I have to.

Good call on netflix...
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:12 pm:   

The only good thing about the new F4 movie, I think, is that Marvel is publishing an omnibus reprint of the Lee/Buscema Surfers from the 60s.
Regression will never be the same.
About Le Cercle rouge: I used to love this one, but the last time I tried to watch it, I couldn't stay to the end. With hindsight, I think the print they used for the DVD wasn't sharp enough--Fuzzy City.
FYI, Melville initially had another cast in mind: Lino Ventura instead of Bourvil, Belmondo instead of Delon and Paul Meurisse instead of Montand.
JD
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:41 pm:   

you were always going to see the fantastic four film, man ;)
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:51 pm:   

The cut I saw of Le Cercle Rouge was Criterion. Needless to say the quality is very good. I personally like Delon a lot and I thought Montand was brilliant as sharpshooter. I could see this one being a difficult one on a second viewing, because a lot of the suspense comes from not knowing where the film is going.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 11:14 pm:   

I'll be in Xiamen (an island in the Taiwan Strait) for a year. They made me an offer I couldn't refuse :-) The current plan is to work here for a year, then trip around Mongolia next summer, then spend a few months at school in Seville next fall.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 05:52 am:   

Ben, I'm getting cold feet, and I'm sure you're right, JD...

Very cool, Rich. Mongolia should be great.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:35 pm:   

Clips on youtube from the Ian Curtis bio CONTROL, with Samantha Morton, look promising.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 03:15 pm:   

Thanks, D.
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jk
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 10:24 pm:   

Lucious, have you seen Sweet Movie, directed by Makavejev?
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 01:14 am:   

them cold feet are reality setting in.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 06:07 am:   

No, JK..I'll look it up.

Ben, what can I say. Yep.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 02:29 pm:   

Just saw a film called "The Man Who Copied" from Brazil. I enjoyed it. A good romantic comedy, with some crime, if anyone likes that sort of thing.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 03:18 pm:   

Saw it. Really good move. I second the rec.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 08:18 am:   

thanks for the "Nobody Knows" recco, saw it over the weekend. Heartbreaking...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 08:57 am:   

Yeah. Great flick.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 10:53 am:   

Saw Mimi Metallurgico. Another good one with Giancarlo Giannini.

Interestingly enough, this same actor was recently in Casino Royale. What a waste of talent.
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Huw
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 12:56 pm:   

Am I the only one who thought Casino Royale actually wasn't bad?

There's a new Kim Ji-woon (The Quiet Family) movie in the works, apparently: a western that goes by the title 'The Good, the Bad, and the Weird'. Who could resist a title like that? Song Kang-ho (the guy from The Host and Memories of Murder) is in it. He's also in a new vampire movie by Park Chan-wook, according to IMDB.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 01:43 pm:   

Right now he's the hottest actor in Korea -- he's also in the thriller The Secret Sunshine which made a big noise at Cannes.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 01:56 pm:   

Well, Casino Royale was entertaing...sort of. But that English actor, whatsis name, with the hairless chest, really was not very witty. And without wit, the only thing left for Bond to do is chase people around and attach his lips to whatever willing female he can find.

So, in the end I left the film a no wiser man :-)
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 02:12 pm:   

I can't begin to imagine what Roger Moore did for you.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 06:05 pm:   

Watched Von Trier's Zentropa this PM. First time in many years. What a unique and eerie piece of film. Maybe his best.
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jk
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 07:27 pm:   

Yeah that was pretty interesting. I've sure lost interest in his recent stuff though. Seems like he's just trying to provoke now.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 07:47 pm:   

I like Casino Royale.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 08:32 pm:   

JK, maybe it's just a phase...
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 08:43 pm:   

i thought CASINO ROYALE was okay. i only went to see it cause i'd read the book and wanted to see how the bond balls torturing went, tho.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 09:22 pm:   

watched london to brighton again--still excellent--and also dead girl, which was pretty good, a bunch of stories of lives that are associated with the finding of a girl's body. Toni Collette was especially good...
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 11:16 pm:   

PM - Um, Roger Moore didn't do much for me either. Not sure if he had his chest waxed or not, but for me that sort of a thing is always a bad sign - as it means the actor is more concerned with looking like Playboy model than acting.

As for Von Trier, I actually haven't seen any of his films, as I was under the impression they were sort of "artsy" (intentionally), which is something I don't like. Maybe it is worth it though.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 11:18 pm:   

That was meant to be Playgirl model of course.
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 11:24 pm:   

Can't say that I generally judge an actor by the hair on his chest but hopefully no one will mention it to say Shatner.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 11:52 pm:   

Well, start taking note of how many of the Hollywood boys have waxed chests and then look at the films they are in and you will start to come up with an equation. I only started noticing this recently. But imagining Bond going and having himself depilated, or whatever it is called, somehow sickened me.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 04:36 am:   

I dislike most artsy films for perhaps the same reasons you do, but I enjoy them to the extent they succeed. I have a love-hate relationship with Antonioni, for instance. Von Trier's Europe trilogy (The Element of the Crime, Epidemic, and Zentropa) reminds me of the worst of Tarkovsky at times, but it's beautifully photographed at times and has some wonderful moments. For you, I'd say check out the Kingdom and Breaking the Waves. If you don't relate to them, forget VT.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 04:38 am:   

BTW, just bought Porte Aperte with Gian Maria Volante, a Gianni Amelio film...
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 06:54 am:   

Lucius - I'll give the one you mention a try.

Not sure if I have seen Porte Aperte or not....In any case, you sort of can't go wrong with Volonte'. At least I haven't yet.

When are you leaving for Europe by the way? It must be soon now.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 07:20 am:   

Gianni Amelio made one of the great Italian flicks, L'america. If you haven't seen that, you should. Porte Aberte is rated very highly as well.

We're off July 2. Got some time.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 07:25 am:   

Gianni Amelio made one of the great Italian flicks, L'america. If you haven't seen that, you should. Porte Aberte is rated very highly as well.

We're off July 2. Got some time.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 10:07 am:   

But I thought it was June you were coming...like, next week :-(
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 10:08 am:   

no, I said July. I go to Readercon, then Spain, then Switz.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 06:17 pm:   

The FF 2 movie is going to make a lot of unhappy campers.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 07:50 pm:   

Have you seen iy>
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 08:00 pm:   

Well as you've already mentioned, when a film isn't screened for critics that's almost always a BAD sign.

And having heard from a reliable source who's seen it and was unimpressed (and wouldn't be as relentlessly critical as we are here :-)) yeah I think it's going to be a waste of time.

Social obligations will likely force me to see it anyway...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 08:04 pm:   

Well, I figured...
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 08:08 pm:   

right again!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 07:25 am:   

Dave G. need your addy again. Misplaced it.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 09:12 am:   

HBO's started up a new series from Deadwood creator David Milch. The show, John from Cincinnati, is about 3 generations of surfers, and it seems to be rather Lynch influenced. Little bits of weirdness are thrown in and it doesn't make much sense yet. Bruce Greenwood mysteriously levitates, and the title character seems to be mentally disabled but knows things that seem impossible to know.

It didn't seem that interesting, but it looks to be a lot cheaper than Deadwood, which is probably why HBO funded it. No special sets needed, no period costumes.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 09:36 am:   

Yeah, I saw that. Looked intriguing. Bruce Greenwood is a good sign.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 10:37 am:   

I heard John from Cincinatti's ratings tanked pretty hard after the Sopranos finale. Which is kinda good news if you're like me, waiting for the possible wrap-up Deadwood movies.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 11:18 am:   

Debuting after the Sopranos finale seems like a bad idea, especially since so many S fans just wanted to bitch after it was done. Debuting after the penultimate episode would have been better.

Still, it's only six episodes (to start), so maybe they'll OK a Deadwood film. I'm not holding by breath though, they still haven't done anything about Carnivale.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 11:40 am:   

Did you like the Soprano's end? I didn't see it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 11:48 am:   

SPOILERS (as if)

The last Sopranos show started very lamely, lots of Uncle June and AJ and Meadow nonsense and not much action. Chase built the suspense to a fever pitch in the last minutes of the broadcast then abruptly cut to black just as it appeared Tony's family would be the victims of a hit. You have to admire the audacity of it. I thought it was a hoot; 11 million people thought they had lost their cable...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 11:55 am:   

I've never watched the Sopranos. However, it's hard to read news Web sites without being bombarded with articles about the end of the show.

Based on what I've heard, the ending sounds OK, just like life, there's no real resolution. But a lot of people wanted something to tie up everything.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 12:16 pm:   

Yeah, I thought it was good, too. Like life. Ambiguity is a lost virtue in American life.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 12:43 pm:   

I think Chase realized the show had become so overhyped there was no satisfactory way to end it. Just pull the plug...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 12:46 pm:   

I honestly don't think the Deadwood movies will happen, my guess is it would be a contracting nightmare at this point. It might be like they're trying to do with the return of Jericho, reduce the large cast to something more manageable. Personally I'm more curious what HBO might do with the Ice and Fire series, other than cancelling it after Season 2.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 12:54 pm:   

There could have been a way to give it trad ending. Big gun battle, everybody dies except Tony, who escapes, abandoning his family, to an uncertain future. That would have satisfied the groundlings.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 09:21 am:   

Saw Songs from the Second Floor, a bizarre Swedish black comedy set in a dystopian future--not for everyone, but I really enjoyed it. You can get it on netflix, so its easy enough to check out.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 10:23 am:   

Yeah I saw that. Really strange. Kind of slow, but interesting. Have you scene the director's other movie? I think he made another one awhile back. Can't remember the name.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 10:50 am:   

Roy Anderssen is the director, I think. No, I haven't seen the second film.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   

Anybody seen THE BRIDGE?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:43 pm:   

You mean the Golden Gate bridge movie? Un-uh.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:52 pm:   

Yeah, that's the one...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 02:06 pm:   

Doesn't really interest me.
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jk
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 01:57 pm:   

Looks like Sweet Movie got a Criterion release. I don't know. I read a review that says he was trying to "short-circuit" viewers by showing repulsive images, like a man with a gold plated penis pissing on his bride, and he interjects footage of nazi experimentation and the torture of infants. Sounds like a Salo-type unwatcheable mess.
Another of the director's releases-WR-Mysteries of the Organism was also released by Criterion. It's about Willhelm Reich, and Sweet Movie is supposed to be influenced by Reich too.
They have Sweet Movie at Netflix. Maybe it's worth rental, if it's too repsulsive I can always take it out and chuck it across the room.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 02:00 pm:   

Yeah, I don't much care about that one. Maybe worth a rental for me. More likely a won't-bother.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 02:22 pm:   

I have a film of the director of Sweet Movie etc. Started watching it but was not compelled enough to continue. Might be good. Maybe one day I will actually watch it.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 02:24 pm:   

Some films I have that I plan to watch soon:

Drunken Sword
After the Wedding
The Edukators
I Mostri
Adventure in Kigan Castle
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 02:54 am:   

Saw the FF Rise of the Silver Surfer--oh boy. Complete fucking waste of time.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 07:42 pm:   

moreso than the first?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 07:54 pm:   

I didn't see the first, but from the way people reacted, I figger...
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PM
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 08:06 pm:   

The Surfer looks neat.

It really comes down to whether you're content with just eye candy. The 13 yr old may find it awesome but you may want more than just a few good CGI shots and Superhero Rescue 911...
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 08:24 pm:   

It was a bad sit com whose plot could be summarized as a headline:

World Ends--Storm-Richards Nuptials Postponed
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PM
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 09:34 pm:   

And we get to provide the laugh track.

Watched Brute Force.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 09:44 pm:   

the first one was pretty bad. i don't know why i saw it, but i remember laughing at it all the way through. there was this bit where jessica alba starts talking about science, or some kind of scientific theory, and she puts on some glasses for it.

nowhere in the rest of the film does she wear glasses. just that one scene.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 09:47 pm:   

My favorite science girl scene is Elizabeth Shue explaining cold fusion in the Saint--she acts like a stewardess doing a sexy demonstration of how to inflate a life vest.
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PM
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 10:03 pm:   

Well, she puts her glasses on in FF 2 just for you Ben, you continuitist!

Elizabeth Shue is SO HOT in the Saint and she would have made a great Susan Storm. (did I really say that with a straight face?)
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:11 pm:   

you know, i just realised, we could make a whole new sub genre.

the science girl: overpaid actresses talk about complex physics unconvincingly.

:-)
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:14 pm:   

that could so be a book.
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:12 am:   

Oh yeah. That reminds me of Dr. Physics and her ads on the Action Blast! tv show.

This trailer features two of her ads (and a whole bunch of other stuff) at:

http://www.hasbro.com/monkeybartv/default.cfm?page=Entertainment/Videos/VideoSel ect&aid=678

Low brow warning!
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:33 am:   

I think that book is you, b. Go for it.

Dr Physics....whoa.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 06:24 am:   

I think that book is you, b. Go for it.

Dr Physics....whoa.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 06:51 am:   

I went to the theater to see Day Watch. I had already seen the Russian DVD of it. Just like Night Watch, it was one of the best subtitling jobs I've seen. It's a shame that most subtitles are just boring.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 06:55 am:   

Science girl: Tara Reid in Alone in the Dark. Yum. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:09 am:   

Agreed, Robert. I didn't like Day as much as Night, but it was still cool.

Dave, if the Shue fits....
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:16 am:   

whenever i think of tara reid these days i think of bad breast implants.

but she sure was a special science girl.

so was denise richard's in that bond film.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 09:14 am:   

I never saw the Bond film with Richards, it's the only Bond movie I haven't seen. I think I'll keep it that way (unless there is some way to un-watch the other Bond movies, especially the Roger Moore ones).
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 09:30 am:   

Denise Richards, as Christmas Jones, sets up what has got to be the absolute worst closing-line groaner in film history.
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jk
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 10:24 am:   

They should set up more fights between directors and critics. That might make a good tv show. I'd like to see Michael Bay, Joel Schumacher, and McG put in the ring for their cinematic crimes against humanity. They'd have to find a critic in good enough shape that he could punch their teeth down their throat, though.
After directors, maybe they could move on to actors. Nicolas Cage springs to mind.
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 10:44 am:   

Gary Shandling and Alec Baldwin "sparred" in the recent Larry Sanders DVD release.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 12:43 pm:   

Science girls: Marg Helgenberger in SPECIES; Mira Sorvino in MIMIC.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 12:49 pm:   

Kirstie Alley in Village of the Damned.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   

Keep it going! A-1 Top Class Science Girl: Saffron Burrows in DEEP BLUE SEA...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 04:38 pm:   

Sharon Stone in Sphere
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:12 pm:   

Didn't Miss Shue also play some kinda scientist in Hollow Man? And does multiple appearances in the Science Girl lab coat mean you get an honorary PhD?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:38 pm:   

Yeah, I think...but she doesn't need one. She graduated from Harvard. Serious.

The film Molly shows a lot of Liz...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 06:05 pm:   

Bridget Fonda in LAKE PLACID
Laura Dern in JURASSIC PARK
Winona Ryder in ALIEN RESURRECTION
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:00 pm:   

Either Dave G. should write the book instead of Ben Peek, or Ben should pay Dave G. for all the research he's clearly been doing. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:05 pm:   

Julia Adams in Creature from the Black Lagoon.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:07 pm:   

Osa Massen in Rocketship XM
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:09 pm:   

You could've made that last one up for all I know...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:12 pm:   

and Greer Garson in Madame Curie...:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:21 pm:   

Connie Neilsen in Mission to Mars and Nora Hayden in Angry Red Planet..

Look 'em up, Allen...
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:21 pm:   

Now there's one I do recognise. Early 1940s...does that make her some kind of Science Girl archetype, or can anybody go back even further?
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PM
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:24 pm:   

Angry Red Planet.

Yah!

That was one of if not the first science fiction films I saw.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:36 pm:   

A classic...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:45 pm:   

Lest we forget, Paula Raymond in the Beast from 20000 Fathoms
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:47 pm:   

IMDb here I come...:-)
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jk
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:49 pm:   

Is Angry Red Planet the one where all the scenes on the planet have a weird red tint to them?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 08:03 pm:   

Yes, that;s the one.

Michelle Yeoh and Rose Byrne in Sunshine.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 08:07 pm:   

Kate Reid in the Andromeda Strain
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 08:17 pm:   

Janette Scott in Crack in the World
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 09:16 pm:   

i am so bowing before dave's knowledge.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 10:32 pm:   

Dave's knowledge? Dave is like unto a child by comparison to my knowledge! Could he know Osa Massen? I think not.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 02:06 am:   

i ain't bowing to you, man :P
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 03:00 am:   

How 'bout a slight prostration?
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 07:00 am:   

Joan Weldon in THEM
Izabella Scorupco in GOLDENEYE
Susan Clark in COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 07:41 am:   

Keep going. You'll catch up. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 08:38 am:   

Yeah, Osa Massen is tough...but don't get cocky! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 08:44 am:   

I couldn't remember her name, but I recalled the movie and looked her up.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 08:48 am:   

Queen of Science Girls, Raquel Welch in FANTASTIC VOYAGE

Ann Turkel in HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 10:45 am:   

Kim Cattral in Creature, Julie Camen in Gargantua, and Barbara Steele in Piranha...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 12:09 pm:   

Yvette Mimieux in THE BLACK HOLE,
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   

Anne Francis in Forbidden Planet
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 12:46 pm:   

Lorraine Bracco in MEDICINE MAN
Shannen Doherty in ALMOST DEAD
Louise Fletcher in EXORCIST II: THE HERETIC
Charlotte Rampling in ORCA: THE KILLER WHALE
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:23 pm:   

Frances Sternhagen in Outland
Helen Mirren in 2010
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:29 pm:   

Morena Baccarin in Serenity
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:32 pm:   

Katherine Quinlan -- Event Horizon
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:44 pm:   

And Mimi Rogers, Lost in Space...!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:48 pm:   

"Morena Baccarin in Serenity"

She was a prostitute in the film, and I don't recall her doing anything scientific. Jewel Staite was the mechanic, so she might qualify.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:50 pm:   

Jewel Staite was who i meant.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:51 pm:   

Mimi wasn't alone, Heather Graham was a doctor in Lost in Space.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:54 pm:   

Vanessa Williams was a scientist in Sci-Fi Channel's latest turd, Ice Spiders.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   

June Chadwick in Corman's Mutant,


I couldn't watch Ice Spiders.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 02:14 pm:   

I don't know why I torture myself with Sci-Fi channel's movies. They're always horrible, but I guess I hope for them to be "so bad, they're good" but they never are.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 02:17 pm:   

Therapy? :-)
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 02:27 pm:   

Current standings:

DaveG: 18
Lucius: 24
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 03:17 pm:   

Alfre Woodward in the COre.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 03:30 pm:   

Sanaa Lathan in Alien v Predator.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 03:38 pm:   

Lisa Blount in Prince of Darkness.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 04:05 pm:   

lathan wasn't really scientist stuff in ALIENS VS PREDATOR. more conservationist/action hero. all the science people were male.

which is a whole nother side of the coin.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 05:04 pm:   

IMO, ecologist equals a science girl.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 05:56 pm:   

Penelope Ann Miller in The Relic
Virginia Madsen in Highlander 2
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 09:53 pm:   

I saw a film last night called I Mostri with Ugo Tognazzi. Great stuff.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 04:29 am:   

Sadly unavailabe here.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 07:07 am:   

sexy name: jewel staite

Rosemarie Dunsmore in TOTAL RECALL
Victoria Catlin in HOWLING V: The Rebirth
Bess Armstrong in Jaws 3D
Julianne Moore in The Lost World: Jurassic Park 2
Lili Taylor in THE ADDICTION (anthropology grad student)
Patricia Gage in RABID
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 07:45 am:   

Lynn Marguilles the aftermath
Stepanie Allen Great White
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 07:57 am:   

Linda fiorentino MIB
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 07:59 am:   

Linday Crouse Iceman
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 08:26 am:   

Hey, Dave...did you ever get Thirst? I must have sent it at least a week ago.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 09:18 am:   

Oh yes, forgive my lack of manners. Many thanks, Mr. S!!!!!

Barbara Crampton in FROM BEYOND!!!!!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 09:36 am:   

Cool. Just hoped it wasn't lost.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 09:40 am:   

Kim Hunter in Planet of the Apes and sequels.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 09:59 am:   

N'Bushe Wright in BLADE
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 01:50 pm:   

What I didnít much care for about Workingmanís Death, the documentary by German director Michael Glawogger, was that it felt like something intended to make yuppies feel better about themselves for having seen it; yet thereís no denying the filmís powerful images and stories. The picture focuses on five shitty jobs. I mean really, really shitty jobs, among them Indonesian laborers who walk into the belly of live volcano, descending on a path that would challenge a mountain goat through clouds of noxious fumes, protected against them by rags stuffed in their mouths; once they reach the volcanic pipes that spew forth molten sulfur, they collect the hardened sulfur and load it into panniers; then they climb out of the volcano, balancing the panniers, now containing 70kg loads of sulfur, on their shoulders. It takes them a full day to make a complete round trip. They stop along the way to rest and talk about women, about Bon Jovi, etc. During the last leg of the trip, they pass through groups of tourists who have come to haggle with them over souvenir crystals of sulfur.

Another hellish environment is the coal mine in Dombass, Ukraine. During the Soviet era, it produced a hundred tons in a single shift. Today, a handful of miners dig at thin ďmousetrapĒ veins, crawling between plates of rock just wide enough to admit them, risking death for barely enough coal to survive. In South Africa, a slaughtering ground where uncountable numbers of goats and cows scream in terror as their throats are slashed, then bleed out and are roasted whole in fires that burn continually, casting a thick pall over the sun. Workers slog through lakes of blood. Itís an absolutely appalling place, one made even more so by the banal conversations of the workers, talk such as might be heard in any workplace.

All in all, it's pretty cool--worst case, as Theodore Roethke said, for a writer, "facts are jewels," and Workingman's Death contains a whole bunch of jewels.
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Huw
Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 02:03 pm:   

Tonight I watched the first half of The Messengers, the Pang brothers latest exercise in Hollywood style horror, complete with cheap 'jolt' shocks (I was going to say "scares" except they weren't really scary), dodgy CGI and an overblown, unsubtle score. They seem to have mastered the 'Wes Craven Presents' brand of horror. Not sure whether to watch the rest or not...
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   

Watched "Army of Shadows" this evening. A very good film about the French resistance. Lino Ventura, as always, is wonderful.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 03:24 pm:   

probably Melville's best picture.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 05:00 pm:   

I watched one ep. That was plenty.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 11:05 pm:   

Yeah, maybe his best. As war films go, it is certainly up there. I have liked all the films of his I've seen though.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 06:26 am:   

You and Sammy should have a talk about Melville.

;)
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 06:39 am:   

Sammy?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

Sam Hamm, a noted scriptwriter, political wonk, oenophile, and Melville-hater who occasionally frequents the board.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 09:29 am:   

If I have to see one more modern, indie horror film that starts with a good cast, an intriguing premise and tightening suspense, only to peter our in the last 15 minutes, in a series of implausible plot twists, jump scares, and horror cliches, I will scream. Richard Brandes' PENNY DREADFUL is the latest offender.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 09:58 am:   

Did anyone see EVAN ALMIGHTY? I am just curious how Hollywood could possibly concoct a wacky summer romp around the conceit of a flood that eradicates all life on earth.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 10:14 am:   

A hater of Melville? Sounds suspicious. There are of course people who simply don't like French films.
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jk
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 10:15 am:   

It's getting horrible reviews. Surprise, surprise.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:04 am:   

Sam likes French films, just not Melville. For my part, I think Melville's overrated.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:06 am:   

Did anyone see evan almighty? Are you kidding?
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:23 am:   

Well, I guess it sort of depends on what you are comparing him to. As far as French films go, he is one of the top ten, no question.

As far as cinema in general goes, he is certainly not a master in the sense of Kurosawa etc.

But for me Melville is good mainly because I love crime films. And he does crime films very well. He also used many of the greatest French actors and made many of the best films they have ever been in, such as Lino Ventura, Alain Delon etc.

I know Melville wanted his films to be a little profound. I personally find them far more fun than profound.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:51 am:   

He's not in my top ten, not even close, but he made some enjoyable films.

Delon, a great french actor? An effective leading man, true, but I can't put him in the great actor class. I thought Yves Montand and Belmondo were both way better than Delon as leading men...mot sure they'd make my list either.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 02:25 pm:   

Not on your top ten of French directors? I am not talking about directors anywhere, but just French.

Who are your top 10?

Ever seen Monsieur Klein? Then there is Rocco e i suoi fratelli; Plein soleil; Tony Arzenta.

I am not saying he is a great actor in the sense of a chamelion, but in the sense that he has played some great roles. Montand and Belmondo are both very cool too - better actors - but I think Delon has a stronger on screen presence.

By the way, have you ever seen that Melville film La Cercle rouge I mentioned a while back? Because thinking about it, I think it is actually better than The Army of Shadows.

Anyhow, in the end, all things are subjective.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 03:25 pm:   

Claude Chabrol, Robert Bresson, Jean Luc Goddard, Bernard Tavernier, Clare Denis, Jacques Tati, Chris Marke, Jean Renoir, Jacques Audiard, Claude Lelouche, Claude Sautet, Alan Resnais, George-Henri Clouzot...


That's just for starters. I've seen most of M's films--I consider him a good, not a great director.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 06:23 pm:   

Hmmm...

I'd agree with a lot of those names, but not all.

Tati, for example...nah, not really for me. Bresson and Lelouch...probably haven't seen enough of their stuff to develop a strong enough opinion either way.

Glad to see Jacques Audiard's name - he'd definitely make my top ten, and never mind that he's only made a couple of films. The Beat That My Heart Skipped (despite that rather clunky title) is one of the best films I've seen in the last couple of years. Watched it again not long ago, and it gets better with each reviewing.

I know you said that's just for starters, but no Truffaut? No Malle? No Rivette? No Jeunet?

And who is Chris Marke? I did a search, but got nothing (well nothing film related)...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 06:48 pm:   

He directed Sans Soleil, la Jette...I probably spelled it wrong.


I said the list was just off the top of my head. Rivette and Malle would be on my list. No Truffaut. Jeunet...maybe.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 07:02 pm:   

Chris Marker...yeah, obvious now I think about it.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 07:09 pm:   

Yup.
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jk
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 07:59 pm:   

Not a big Truffaut fan? I've been kind of underwhelmed by his stuff myself.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 08:52 pm:   

Nah, I kind of detest him. :-)
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jk
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 09:30 pm:   

I'd kinda like to see his version of Woolrich's The Bride Wore Black, but I don't have real high hopes for it.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 10:38 pm:   

Well, as I said, tastes differ. Goddard for example bores me, while Truffaut I like :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 06:25 am:   

JK, I've no interest in sitting through another Truffaut--too fucking precious for words.

Brendan, guess they do.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 07:00 am:   

I think our taste in Asian films is more similar.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 08:04 am:   

I don't think our taste in European films is all that dissimilar. You just like a guy that I detest.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 10:02 am:   

:-) right.

Actually, I used to like Godard. But then about a year ago I watched a film of his with Jane Fonda. Nothing wrong with Jane Fonda, but the film struck me as pretentious. Trying too hard to be art. In a sense, I would rather watch a really trashy film than one that is self-consciously art.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 10:33 am:   

That's late period Godard and, like late period Picasso, it sucks. But Alphaville and Pierrot le Fou...awesome.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 11:25 am:   

Haven't seen Alphaville, but liked Pierrot le Fou a lot.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 09:40 am:   

By the rotting thumb of Roger I recommend Alphaville.

Seriously. It's good.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 09:54 am:   

I couldn't get into Alphaville.

Last night I watched District B13. I hoped to see The Descent, but the DVD wouldn't play. B13 was severely lacking in plot (fairly standard for action movies). I watched due to the parkour sequence at the beginning, but due to the camera work, I preferred the sequence in Casino Royale.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 09:57 am:   

B13 was seriously overpraised. Pissed me off that I bought it.


Really dug the Descent...
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 02:37 pm:   

Yeah, B13 was trash. But I'm not sure Casino Royale was any better.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 07:07 pm:   

Caught Paul Anderson's trailer for his new film, There will be blood, on youtube. It looks less indulgent than some of his work, hopefully it will not be a waste like Punchdrunk Love...but the trailer is singularly uninteresting. A western, yet. Oh well.

My pal Mark Jacobson's article about Frank Lucas, the black gangster who was the guy who started smuggling heroin into the States in body bags is coming out on the silver screen this fall, called American Gangster, starring Denzel and Russell Crowe, directed by Riddley Scott. According to Mark, they've turned it into a hideous buddy movie of sorts, taken out all mention of the heroin (which was the focus of the article) and every cool thing he wrote. One of the great things in the article was the blaxploitation movie that Frank and his criminal associates tried to make in the 70s. They hired a Hollywood director, played all the parts. It fell apart when Frank tried to kill the director...Frank is a thoroughly bad guy, but apparently in the movie he has a heart of gold and was a victim of his environment. Jesus.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 07:17 pm:   

Well we know what happened to Jesus...
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 11:09 pm:   

I like Denzel. But he has been in his share of lousy films. Crowe has difficulty acting.

I didn't mind Punchdrunk love, despite the fact that the lead actor I find to be incredibly annoying.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 03:15 am:   

that trailer for THERE WILL BE BLOOD is pretty boring, i have to say.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 05:42 am:   

I loathe the tendency to depict bad people as victims of environment or with good intentions. I want to see non-white washed people in all their flaws. By the description of American Gangster, it sounds wretched.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 11:17 am:   

American Gangster will be tragic, but it'll do big numbers...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 11:34 am:   

Just to shift gears a bit, am I the only one monumentally disappointed in HBO this year? What once was the gold standard of TV broadcasting is now languishing in mediocrity. "Six Feet Under," "The Sopranos" and "Deadwood" are gone and, in their place are the cryptic-for-its-own-sake, self-parodic "John From Cincinnati" and the hopelessly lame "Flight of the Conchords." Lucius, you better hope they air your show while the brand still means something!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 03:50 pm:   

John From Cincinnati is a step down from Deadwood. I didn't watch Flight of the Concords. I'd drop HBO if it wasn't part of a cable package.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 04:51 pm:   

I watched the last 15 minutes of JFC this week; it was like a self-important grad student imitating Shakespeare. Ed O'Neil's "dialogue" with his parrot told me: this is Emperor's New Clothes stuff.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 08:15 pm:   

i saw SICKO last night. from the outsider looking in on american health care, it was really kind of horrifying.
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PM
Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 09:56 pm:   

There's no easy answer to that one. I don't relish the thought of having my taxes increase 10-20%. I pay nearly 40% already.

In a free system there still are going to be those who are unable to get needed medical care.

No the thought is that if the system is free that the costs will come down. That would remain to be seen.

As it is now there's an insurance system in place. But if you're uninsured you're charged a cheaper rate.

I'm of a mind that the prices would come down if there was no insurance and there was no free system. Just pay as you go.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 06:56 am:   

Given Moore's tendency to play fast and loose with the facts to suit his own ends, the thought of him taking on something as complex and legalistic as the health care system kind of scares me. Like asking a hyperactive child to play with a house of cards.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 08:25 am:   

I've heard Sicko is good. I like Moore.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 08:28 am:   

And that the healthcare system is complex and legalistic is one of its biggest problems. Anyhow, we all know it sucks, and if Michael Moore is willing to have a go at it, the more power to him.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 08:39 am:   

I've been watching JFC mostly due to curiosity about where it is going. It's quite a change from the normal HBO shows where I watched because I liked them. At this point, I'm convinced it's somebody trying to do a "David Lynch surf show." Given my low opinion of Lynch, a Lynch imitator sounds even less appealing.


I won't be seeing Sicko. Moore just isn't a good filmmaker. He's more interested in stunts than in making a cohesive statement. Bowling For Columbine was mostly good except for his stunts about getting K-Mart to stop selling bullets and his confrontation with Heston. Neither stunt helped the point he was trying to make with the film. Most of the film was about how the media makes us scared, and that fear fuels violence, but then the stunts destroy that narrative.

9/11 didn't advance a coherent story or conspiracy theory, it just tried various ways of saying "Bush is evil," but without a unifying story, it failed. I mostly remember one woman who lost her son in the war. Moore obviously wanted us to feel sorry for her loosing a son in a pointless war, but I felt sorry for her being exploited by Moore.


I think I've seen my one movie for the summer: Ratatouille. I don't think anybody makes family films like Brad Bird. He has a knack for making films that appeal to kids and to grown ups (without just peppering pop-culture jokes like most "family" films do).
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 02:05 pm:   

Robert, a good summation of JFC.

One thing about Ratatouille. It's about a RAT in the KITCHEN, messing with FOOD. You think people are going to get by the "yuck" factor?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 05:24 pm:   

I finally saw The Descent. I went caving yesterday (a fairly easy, non-rope use descent of 4500 feet squeezing through a few tight openings). I'm glad that I didn't see the movie until after. It was just too creepy. I was already jumpy at water dripping in the cave, the thought of cave ins and sub-human cave dwellers would have made it worse. It was everything that a good horror movie should be.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 06:18 pm:   

the stunts don't bother me so much.

what interests me is that i see people come out and defend the american health system. like PM up there, saying he might have to pay more taxes, so everyone can have universal health care. well. wouldn't that be a shame if everyone had the same health care, but you paid a bit more money...

but, having said that, in australia we don't pay huge amount of taxes for health care. nor is it anywhere near expensive as american health care is. just saying on that. the system we've got here isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the one in the states, from all i've heard within and without this film.

anyhow, i thought the film was quite good. but if you don't like moore's docos, then it's more than likely that you won't like this, either. the stunt for this film involves taking 911 rescue workers to cuba for medical treatment.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 07:55 pm:   

Well that's not what I said at all. I'm not defending the American health care system.

If you think the Australian PM and the native get the same health care then you're gullible.

And when I'm in the emergency room I rarely see folk from the middle or upper classes. The assertion that everybody is unable to get health care is only partially true at best.

What people are really saying is that they don't want to pay for their health care or better yet they want to dump their health care bills on the rich.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 10:29 pm:   

no, i'm not saying that, man. i know the PM gets better medical care.

i don't think people are saying they want to dump their health care bills on the rich, or that they don't want to pay it. but i'm not going to get into an argument about that, since it's one neither of us can win, what with these 'people' being an undefined quality and all :-)

but maybe you should check outthe film, PM. if for nothing than to angry up your blood. heh.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 10:47 pm:   

Hey, I would gladly dump my health care bills on the rich :-)

The real fact is though, that poor people have long held the tax burden.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 11:08 pm:   

But the rich by and large pay it --- when they're not evading it of course.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 11:36 pm:   

Well, if one person makes 20,000 dollars a year and has to pay 6 thousand in taxes, that leaves them with 14,000. If another makes 20 million and has to pay 8 million (at their higher rate) that leaves them with 12 million. The person with 14 thousand canít afford health insurance; the person with 12 million can. And not only that, but if we take away another 2 million from the rich person, they still have 10 million in yearly earnings. Which is still plenty. So, yes, they should pay more since they are given the freedom to amass all this unnecessary wealth.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 11:39 pm:   

Also, the overall tax burden still goes on the poor, since there are many many more poor people paying and not so many rich. And the poor have fewer tax loop-holes and write offs available to them.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 11:58 pm:   

Don't know where you get the person making 20k having to pay 6k in taxes.

"In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income."

from:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:01 am:   

and the bottom 50% of taxpayers paid around 4% of all individual income taxes.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:14 am:   

I am getting the 6k because I have paid that much while living in the US myself. That is including state taxes of course.

As for the numbers you have from the website, they are misleading, because they don't take into account things like sales tax. Also, when coming up with any number like "bottom 50%", there are several ways to come up with these numbers, so one has to actually see the method they employed.

One also needs to consider that those top 5 percent are the people who have way too much money and have earned it off the backs of the poor and the middle class. Most of these people probably belong behind bars.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:30 am:   

The tax numbers came from the US Treasury.

Hmmm.

I'll guess your numbers

20k * 8% = 1600 for sales tax.

20k - 8,450 (standard deduction) = 11,550

Federal tax on 11,550 is $1359.

1600 * 1359 = $2959 which is less than half of $6k.

The top 5 percent would include entertainers, athletes, and corporate types.

The poor and the middle class gladly give their money for entertainment. Well except for those who steal it.

It's sort of funny thinking about putting folk in the entertainment industry behind bars. Of course sometimes they get their on their own.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:38 am:   

Most of the top 5 percent are not in entertainment. Unless you consider Dick Cheney to be an entertainer.

As, I said, I was talking including state taxes - NY to be specific.

Anyhow, I am not here to argue. As Ben said, it is useless.

Generally speaking, I don't like rich people. Some of them are ok, but most are not.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:50 am:   

I put a * when I should have put a + between 1600 and 1359.

Actually the top 5 percent average around 117k a year so yeah that would include the entertainers and a whole lot of other folk.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:54 am:   

Well, 117k is not really rich. But is what that shows is just how little money the other 95 percent have.

The truth is, that they should be talking about the top 1 percent - since the top 1 actually has as much money as the other 99 combined.
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 01:06 am:   

The top 1% would be those who make 350k and up.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 04:30 am:   

i'm kinda with brendan for this. it doesn't bother me for someone with millions to be paying more--however, i tend to also recognise that this won't happen. the burden of more taxes would fall on the middle and lower income classes, for a variety of reasons.

but my way of thinking is everyone should have a free and natural right to all medical procedures and medicine. my understanding of america is that this kind of isn't the case. of course, i'm not talking just america here. i'm talking the entire world. there are places much worse off than the states, sadly.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 08:25 am:   

From what I've heard, the stunts in Sicko actually help advance Moore's point...rescue workers getting better care in Cuba than they do in the US. If all his stunts actually advanced his points, he'd be a better filmmaker.

While I have little interest in seeing Sicko, I hope it helps with changing the current health care system in the US. I'm continually depressed that we have the best medical education in the world, but we don't have the best health care. I'm thankful that my job provides very good insurance.

I find it odd that we're willing to pay taxes to protect against crime, but not to protect against disease and injury. We trust the government (to an extent) in those areas, but not in health care (which other countries, as well as Medicare, have demonstrated can be more efficient than the free market approach).


On other movie topics, I watched Miike's "The Great Yokai War." He's typically done a good job on his non-horror films, but not on this. Maybe I'd need to be a kid to appreciate his children's movie.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 09:24 am:   

As long as ex-Congressmen like Billy Tauzin end up lobbying for Big Pharma and getting Congress to slip provisions into bills limiting the government's ability to negotiate for lower drug prices, the system will stay broken.

Curbing the power of lobbyists would = slamming the door on high-paying private sector jobs for Congressmen. Therefore, it won't happen now or ever.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 09:50 am:   

Miike's film is actually a remake of a film from the 60's called Yokai Spook Warfare. The special effects in the original are sort of low budget, but it is probably a better film. Miike is a very good film maker, but he is also very hit or miss.

It is a shame he can't muster up the energy to do more films like The Bird People of China.
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Huw
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 01:36 pm:   

Brendan, I agree with you that Miike is very hit and miss. Maybe he should make fewer films; the guy's a veritable movie-making factory! Chakushin Ari (One Missed Call) is a pretty good one (although the sequel's are to be avoided). It's Miike's attempt at making a more commercial ghost film along the lines of Ring and Dark Water. It's blatantly derivative, but a lot of fun and quite creepy in places, and much better than most of the recent Japaneese supernatural movies featuring girls in long white gowns with long black hair. I personally would love to see more directors making films like Uzumaki, or A Tale of Two Sisters. Korea seems to be doing a better job with horror films these days, though things are getting stagnant there too, what with stinkers such as Arang.

I liked some of the yokai in The Great Yokai War, but the kappa character I found very irritating. I loved the rokurokubi (the stretching neck woman), though. The old Yokai movie you mentioned is fun too.

Speaking of yokai - anyone here read the novel Kappa by Ryunosuke Akutagawa? It's well worth reading.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 07:44 pm:   

I thought R-Point was a pretty great Korean horror.
Loved Uzumaki and Tale of Two Sisters too.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 08:27 pm:   

I haven't seen Tale of Two Sisters, but if it's being favorably compared to Uzumaki, I think I should see it.
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jk
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 11:23 pm:   

It's not similar in style or content, but in that it's a unique and original Asian horror, as opposed to lots of sub-par stuff that's getting released. It's well made.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 11:50 pm:   

Huw - I haven't seen that one from Miike but will pick it up. The truth is, that even in his lesser films, there is always something to admire.

I haven't read the Akutagawa novel either, but would like to.

I've had Tale of Two Sisters on my shelf for like a year. I've started watching it twice, but always end up switching to something else.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 06:28 am:   

I guessed that's what people meant about Two Sisters. I wouldn't want something that tried to be like Uzumaki, but a unique horror movie that is well done is what I look for. I initially ignored it because I thought it might be part of the wave of bland Asian horror.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 08:55 pm:   

thanks for the heads up on the akutagawa novel, huw. for some reason, i'd gotten it in my head that he did shorts...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 07:17 pm:   

I saw the new Harry Potter. It was watchable. Not a great film, but not as bad as movies 2 and 4. It's weird to think HP is opposite from the Star Trek rule (even ones are better in ST, odd ones are better in HP). Prisoner of Azkaban is still the only one that I could stand watching a second time, this won't change that.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:35 pm:   

i ain't going to see the harry potter film. i can do my trash, but that franchise does nothing for me.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 05:42 am:   

I initially thought I wasn't going to see it, but I ended up going socially (friends I was dining with went, so I went along too).
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 10:15 pm:   

yeah, it's always a downer when that happens--friends, they just can't be trusted ;)
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 11:37 pm:   

Not to be a downer, but I myself can never sit through a children's film, or animated picture. I just find it impossible to connect!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 05:02 am:   

They can't be trusted...HP seemed inoffensive compared to other choices they've made (like Transformers or Pirates 3). At a certain point I draw the line, HP was just barely on the side I would put up with.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 06:24 am:   

Sounds like you need some new friends to go to the cinema with.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 06:06 pm:   

i'm not that bad, brendan, since i can sit through animated flicks. i quite like animation. but kids films are a struggle, that's for sure. i just don't give a shit about what some teenager is going through on the screen before me. it's the same with YA fiction.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 07:30 pm:   

I don't like kid's movies, but actual family films (like Brad Bird's movies) are good. I like animation, although most animated films suck, it's part of that kids movie thing. There is animation for grown ups. I caught "Paprika" which is a surreal animation about a machine to enter dreams. It was a decent anime aimed at adults (without being porn).

Ben, I'm sure you'd hate the new HP: it's Harry being a whiny annoying teen, he's alone and nobody understands him. I half expected him to wear all black and start spouting goth poetry.

My friends' movie choices are largely dictated by one guy, who is the smartest person I've met. He spends 70+ hours a week in research overthinking everything. After that, he wants 2 hours a week of not thinking, and big explosions and special effects do that for him. I like explosions too, but he's willing to put up with films that have no plot, I'm not. However, even he felt Ultraviolet was horrible. Apparently even he has standards, although abysmally low ones.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 11:33 pm:   

Maybe I haven't given the newer animation films a good chance. I saw a film last night called Udon that had a partially animated sequence where a guy cuts a noodle in half with a razor and snorts it up his nose that I thought was amusing.

Robert - I like mindless movies too. But they have to be mindlessness of a certain calibre. For instance, any samurai movie, no matter how stupid, I will probably sit through. The same goes for pretty much any Italian crime film from the 70s. But these are mindless in a low-budget sort of way. Big budget mindlessness somehow just doesn't do much for me.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 03:35 am:   

what, there's something wrong with emo?

:-)

anyhow, for me, YA (flicks, books, whatever) just doesn't connect. overall, i just find the work lacks the detail and intelligence for me, though i'm sure someone will take offence to that last. but it's not that i think that YA is stupid, i just don't think it's working with an adult intelligence, the kind that interests me. but why should it? i'm not the readership. so we continue to pass each other, all happy. though that said, i did like THE INVINCIBLES.

as for mindless movies, i can dig them. i liked TRANSFORMERS, for example. mostly, i just demand that they're engaging on some level, either stylistically and visually.

which might not explain TRANSFORMERS, admittedly.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 05:18 am:   

I'd rather sit through a stupid samurai film than Transformers. There is a certain appeal for low budget movies, but I'd still prefer big explosions in films that don't insult my intelligence. They're so hard to come by.

I feel much the same as Ben regarding YA fiction. It just doesn't engage me. I tried reading Pullman's Dark Materials trilogy since it got so much praise, but I didn't find it interesting.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 06:32 am:   

Well, I haven't actually tried YA adult fiction. But I haven't got the intention to begin. there are too many books I actually want to read out there.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 08:34 am:   

I just watched my first Netflix movie on Saturday, THE PANIC IN NEEDLE PARK with Al Pacino, screenplay by Joan Didion and John Gregory Dunne! A new step in my evolution as a cyberbeing...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

Was it worth watching?

I've been going through The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. It's pure cheese, but how many other sci-fi westerns are there? It is strange to think that one of the men behind it is now the brains behind Lost. I see some familiar faces as bit players in Brisco County reappear in Lost.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 01:21 pm:   

I recall the Panic in Needle Park being ok. Nothing spectacular, but with some interesting seedy atmosphere.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 01:50 pm:   

Good seedy atmosphere, a strong lead performance by the MIA Kitty Winn, and some interesting proto-Pacino. Interesting to see the seeds of his later performances. Terrific ending really stays with you.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 09:10 pm:   

So Ben ... you prefer your movies to be "working with an adult intelligence" and yet you still enjoyed Transformers? :-)

There's plenty of wonderful kids' stuff out there, in movies as well as in books. It may be I'm seeing a lot more of it because I have a kid, but I truly find a lot more intelligence and integrity in some of the kids' stuff than I do in much of so-called adult fare.

That being said, I have no plans to see the new Harry Potter. But Ratatouille is a fine film worthy of anyone's attention, while Transformers is an act of contempt against every thinking being. So there.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 10:36 pm:   

what can i say, nathan, sometimes i'm just one big contradiction.

:-)

i'm gonna be wearing that TRANSFORMERS enjoyment for a while, but i can live with it.

on the whole, tho, i don't find a lot of adult films real intelligent, either. i guess maybe i just don't find a lot of stuff is about trying to be intelligent these days. i'm surprised every time you see, 'too intelligent for its own good,' and it's a complaint. anyhow.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 11:31 pm:   

You are vast. You contain multitudes. I can respect that.

Perhaps if Transformers had just a smidgen of the subtle nuance and insight into the human heart that was on display in Armageddon or, say, Hot Dog: The Movie, I could have been on board, but alas ...
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 07:18 am:   

oh, man, dude, don't even get me started on ARMAGEDDON. i hated that thing. that was just... after that, i could sit through any kind of weepy michael bay film, because i'd sat through that.

for me, TRANSFORMERS was all about my childhood. i ain't got no excuses and no critical capacity here. it's like that time i enjoyed ATTACK OF THE CLONES.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 05:33 pm:   

Apocalypto...I was underwhelmed. It was visually nice, but the plot was cliched action movie. Bad guys capture hero, hero escapes and through cunning defeats the bad guys and saves the girl. Aside from the setting, it didn't seem any different than something like Commando or Predator. Except Arnie's action movies have some humor in them.

I was confused about the time period of the setting. It's supposed to be about the collapse of the Mayan civilization, but Gibson seemed to mix Mayan and Aztec to make the villains seem completely unappealing. Then it ends with Europeans arriving, which fits the Aztec timeline but not the Mayan. With all the claims of trying to be accurate, it seemed like sloppy mistakes. I wouldn't mind the changes if they were made to tell a good story, but this wasn't a good story.

In other words, it was a typical Hollywood action movie: all style, no substance, and a lot of historical inaccuracy.
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jk
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 07:58 pm:   

Armegeddon must have one of the worst, most cringe-worthy scenes in recent history, the "animal crackers" scene with Afflek and Liv Tyler. Argh!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 04:50 am:   

Armageddon was unwatchable. Ditto for Attack of the Clones.

Inaccuracies may be too strong for Apocalypto. Maybe I just assumed the death of the Mayan civilization would mean the period most people consider for it, which was a few hundred years before Europeans arrived.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 07:04 am:   

to me, what does the ARMAGEDDON in is the final bruce willis scene. 'i saved your boyfriend who i had no use for, dear.'

*shudder*

i liked ATTACK OF THE CLONES. transformers and star wars: i switch my brain off and i'm gone into nostalgia. that's why i have nothing to say about 'em.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 09:50 am:   

Nostalgia wasn't enough for Star Wars. I just can't watch a movie where attempts at drama are funny, except when I'm looking for unintentional humor, like Ed Wood movies. Making it big budget makes me judge it on a different level than low budget cheese. The combination of dialog and Lucas's ability to remove acting talent made the dramatic moments too funny.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 07:10 pm:   

i never got ed wood, i have to say. i didn't think they were unintentionally funny, i just thought they were bad, and quite sad in their badness.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 08:10 am:   

Anyone else read http://www.the-editing-room.com/ ? It's movie reviews disguised as condensed movie scripts. They've been good for the movies that I've seen. The latest is Transformers:

http://www.the-editing-room.com/transformers.html

One comment that stood out was "I canít believe someone made a movie where the scenes in which gigantic toy robots fight each other are the LEAST ridiculous scenes in it." I've heard that from several others who saw the film.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 08:15 am:   

Watched Lodge Kerrigan's CLAIRE DOLAN starring the late Katrin Cartlidge last night. Very arresting and incisive character study. Not as shattering as CLEAN, SHAVEN, but moving nonetheless. Kerrigan is adept at creating characters who behave in unexpected ways. A welcome flair for ambiguity.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 06:47 pm:   

Watched "The Clonus Horror." It was a dystopian sci-fi from '79 about cloning people for replacement body parts. The plot of Michael Bay's "The Island" is almost identical: clones in seclusion, promised eventual release to a paradise, but they're harvested for body parts rather than released. The protagonist realizes something is wrong and escapes, gets betrayed by the man he's a clone of, and returns to the colony to stage a rescue.

While the action sequences and cinematography are poor compared to Bay, the writing is far superior. And unlike Bay's happy Hollywood ending, this goes for a dark ending.

It's not a good movie, but it is a more interesting way of spending 90 minutes than watching The Island.
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Richard Scott
Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 08:51 pm:   

I'm with Ben on Transformers. Optimus Prime for president!

:-)

If the execrable Pearl Harbour is what you get when he tries to do something 'not fun', well, Autobots, Transform and Roll Out. :-)

and as far as this goes :-

the science girl: overpaid actresses talk about complex physics unconvincingly.

-- or Brain Surgery, a la Kidman in Days of Thunder.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 09:09 am:   

Just watched Eric Steel's doc THE BRIDGE, about people who commit suicide off the Golden Gate Bridge. Kind of interesting. He catches the suicides on film, then works backward to try to reconstruct the struggles and last moments of the victims. Pretty effective. It really is thought-provoking and makes you think about the nature of life and why someone would want to leave it. Recommended and different.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 05:13 am:   

Just saw Walking to Werner. An aspiring filmmaker in Seattle decided to walk to Los Angeles to meet Werner Herzog. Herzog was in Thailand at the time, so the filmmaker didn't meet Herzog. He just got a few phone calls from Herzog. It was largely about the filmmaker himself and odd people he met along the way. It was amusing, especially when he gets frustrated and starts ranting about towns without hotels.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 06:38 am:   

Jindabyne has been playing locally. Very good, excellent script, largely a collection of damaged people trying to deal with a bad situation. So much is left unresolved at the end. I think resolution would have made it feel cheap, but lack of resolution works very well.

The music was great as well. Doing it almost entirely with vocals fit the mood.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

Had a chance to catch Greg Whiteley's NEW YORK DOLL doc last night. It's the story of Dolls bassist Arthur Kane, who was kind of left behind after the Dolls' breakup, drifted to LA, became a Mormon and enjoyed a final moment of glory when the remaining Dolls reunited in London, a mere six weeks before his death from leukemia. Very moving without resorting to the usual tear-jerking. Recommended.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 09:40 am:   

Why do all adaptations of Beowulf suck so much? I watched BEOWULF & GRENDEL and was largely bored. It seems to want to make a version of the story based in realism, but then voids that with Grendel's mother. I was impressed how they managed to turn an epic about fighting monsters into such a dull piece with almost no action.

I rank it a bit behind 13th Warrior, but far ahead of Christopher Lambert's Beowulf.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 02:07 pm:   

I hear that Chris Tucker is good as Grendel, but Jackie Chan's irritating ad libs as Beowulf totally derails the epic tone of the film.
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Huw
Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 03:09 pm:   

I saw BEOWULF AND GRENDEL recently too (it's not the new Gaiman one, but a 2005 film starring Gerard Butler of 300). I thought it had some nice moments, but found it disappointing overall.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 06:49 pm:   

Dave, that would be a much more entertaining version.

Just got back from Rescue Dawn. Herzog managed to create a movie about obsession where it didn't destroy the protagonist (which happens in many of his films). When Bale gets captured, all the other POWs were resigned to their fate, but Bale kept fixating on escape. So much of the violence seemed completely senseless, but that is like real life.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:10 am:   

that christopher lambert BEOWULF was something special, that was...
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Huw
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 05:42 am:   

Imagine a Steven Seagal Beowulf...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 08:59 am:   

Working title: ONE-WAY TICKET TO VALHALLA
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 07:50 pm:   

Saw The Bourne Shaky Cam...er..Ultimatum. Much like the second one...action movie with a plot that isn't insulting to the viewers intelligence, but with wretched camera work. I can stand re-watching the first Bourne movie, but with this one, once is enough.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 05:05 am:   

I thoughtthe Herzog wasn't really a Herzog movie--it's the second time he's taken on this subject and the documentary was much better...

Hey there
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jk
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 10:15 am:   

Hey, it's the return of LS. Cool.
I'm kind of interested in seeing the new Herzog just to see if he's gone Hollywood. It doesn't look that great to me. It seemed to me he was incapable of making a typical Hollywood-style slick movie, even his last film had the usual clunky Herzog-isms that seem to be part of all his movies, even the better ones, so I'm just wondering how slick he can get.
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Huw
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:09 pm:   

Good to see you back, Lucius!
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 02:23 pm:   

Thanks, guys...

not back yet, but soon...

The Herzog isn't bad, it's just nit really a Hersog film...the docu with it's look at Dieter's idiosincracies seemed better to me...
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 09:38 am:   

just completed my lodge kerrigan studies with KEANE (2004), a (surprise surprise) unsettling portrait of mental illness with Damien Lewis as a maladjusted man who may or may not be searching for his missing daughter and Abigail "Little Miss Sunshine" Breslin as the little girl who may fill his void. Kerrigan is a master of ambiguity. At the end, we are not at all sure whether Keane is a hero, a potential child molester, or some combination of both.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 10:51 am:   

Keane was brilliant...

I've got INVASION straing me in the face....
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:02 am:   

3 movies watched over the weekend. Bourne, which seems less appealing the more time passes. Simpsons, which was entertaining, but really like a long TV episode. This Quiet Earth, which was good. Last man on earth type scenario, where most other people simply vanished in the middle of activities.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:46 am:   

The Quiet Earth is one of my top five scifi films. I love that movie. It made me watch a lot of Bruno Lawrence films, some quite good.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 01:28 pm:   

Just heard that Michael Haneke has renade his thriller Funny Games in English with Naomi Watts and Tim Roth.....weird.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 01:32 pm:   

respond on new thread please

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