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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 02:52 pm:   

   By Robert Devereux on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 06:15 pm:  Edit

Ryan did the encore performance. I wonder if he has a special razor that keeps his stubble a constant length...kind of like the people on Lost

The bottom 3:

Jill: Alone (Heart). Better than her usual fare.

Dana: House of the Rising Sun. Again, this was better than her usual performance.

Patrice: Eternal Life. This is probably the best song played on the show yet, but Patrice's rendition didn't do justice to the original. She's a fine singer, but not of the same caliber as Jeff Buckley. There aren't many who I think sound decent singing his songs.

Zayra wasn't in the bottom 3. I guess getting even worse works for her.

Dana went home. Jill's performance of Heart saved her.

Apparently each remaining person will be writing lyrics and the melody for a Supernova song. I don't know if they'll perform it on the show or not.

And I'm out of here until next Tuesday. I'm heading to NYC, and I doubt I'll have much time to check the board.
   By ben peek on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 09:39 pm:  Edit

maybe gilby has gyrating standards?

i mean underdog as in 'everyone knows you won't win' underdog.
   By Dave G. on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 06:28 am:  Edit

OMG, Zayra gets to write a song for Supernova? This could be the TV comedy highlight of the year!
   By Dave G. on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 10:24 am:  Edit

Daily bummer: Freddy Fender has incurable lung cancer.
   By Lucius on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 10:26 am:  Edit

Yeah, that should be pretty amazing, Maybe, just as a giggle, they should let her write new lyrics to a Dylan song.
   By Dave G. on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 11:14 am:  Edit

I hope they're in Spanish. That would be muy caliente!
   By Dave G. on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 11:17 am:  Edit

http://store.bandwear.com/zayra

Viva Zayra!
   By Lucius on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 11:50 am:  Edit

Let me know how horrible it sounds...

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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   

On the topic of NYC CD shops...
Kim's Video and Music was great. There were whole sections on weird progressive rock, experimental music, indie rock. There were maybe 40-50 Tzadik CDs, although sadly not the one I most wanted (Kayo Dot's first CD).

Other Music seemed like a waste compared to Kim's. The selection of Tzadik stuff was maybe half as big, the experimental section was a lot smaller, and even the indie/hipster stuff was lacking in comparison. Unlike Kim's, they didn't have a metal section at all. It was small and seemed to cater entirely to the hipster community. I had much better luck at Kim's, and at AKA Music in Philadelphia.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 09:37 am:   

A little late this week. I finally got a chance to see the 4th performance show…

Patrice: Higher Ground. Forgettable. She’s got the physicality of one of those woman soldiers from ‘Aliens’. I wouldn’t want to watch them sing either.

Josh: Limited chops. Maybe if Supernova decided to become a reggae band…

Dilana: Endless potential for the genre hopping. Big distinctive voice. Great stage presence. A winner whether she gets this gig or not.

Toby Rand: Toby Bland

Zayra: She’s gone way past bad to some mutant variation of the word.

Magni: A little trouble with mic technique this week. Set to take over second spot from Lukas (IMO). Jason has made it clear Magni is his choice.

Jill: The new Zayra? Setting the standard for inappropriate arrangements.

Josh: Sending Billy Joel a wake-up call.

Lukas: A dive? Lukas may have realized that doing a good job every week isn’t enough. This is TV. He needs a little drama behind his bid.

Storm: Smart thematic link from Dramarama last week to old Bowie (Changes) makes her look like the only singer up there with a record collection. Her stage manner and voice are improving. A contender.

Dana: Too bad to comment on.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 07:33 pm:   

Kim's was my favorite place to shop when I lived in NYC.

I'm back, and I think this evening I'll cue up the last rock star just to check out Zayra...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 06:06 am:   

I think Zayra's snapped.

One of my bands shared practice space with this band called Silver Cloud, but that we mean-spiritedly called The Ducks. They were bared, always out of tune, etc. Their lead singer was this sort of zoftig blond named Carolyn Moon, who was the daughter of a bail bondsmen (which is why we let them share). She aspired to be Janis Joplin, but she sounded more like Donald Duck with a mouthful of bee-bees. The Ducks only had one gig that I know of. Improbably they auditioned at an A Square motel and nothing went wrong, they stayed in tune and etc. So the gig came and everything that went right at the audition went wrong, They were horribly out of tune. At one point during a drum solo, the drummer lost a stick, then, in groping for it, he lost both sticks, and said "I'm sorry," over the mike. It was painful to watch, but hilarious. If they could have repeated it, they could have made money. The piece de resistance was Carolyn herself. Unbeknownst to the band, she had a surprise--she brought a cardboard box full of props and used them during her performance. My personal highlight--her performance of Blondie's Call Me, sung into a plastic telephone while writhing on her back.

That's what Zayra reminded me off.

The rest, blah except for Dilana and Storm. I agree, though. It's starting to look like Magni. I hated Ryan's thing, but then I hate REM and have done ever since their lyrics became intelligible.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 07:55 pm:   

Watched the previous episode in which Z wore the airbrushed blue leather thing. What a freak! Why is Jill still around?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:36 pm:   

I got back from NYC today. Last night I saw Rodrigo y Gabriela at Joe's Pub. At the show, they insisted they did not play flamenco. They say flamenco is a very traditional style, while they are very non-traditional with their mixing of Latin music and rock.

Their playing was incredible. Rodrigo played most of the leads, while Gabriela handled the rhythm. However, unlike most rock bands, the rhythms were much more involved. I think she has the most impressive picking hand I've seen on a guitar player. She was moving so fast, I couldn't make out what she was doing most of the time.

They worked a few Metallica medleys into their songs. I had to skip the encore in order to catch my train, but it was otherwise great to see.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 04:28 pm:   

Sounds like you had a good trip.

Flamenco is a distinct form, so much so that Manitas de Plata was callled not-flamenco by many purists, but this is an era in which forms are breaking down, so what the hell...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 07:11 pm:   

Yeah, the trip was fun. It was exhausting, but fun. I saw lots of art, met Hawk Alfredson, bought a bunch of CDs, and even picked up Eternity and Other Stories (it was nice to actually find a copy without ordering it).

Rock Star was...interesting. Ryan seems to be taking tips from Zayra, his performance was beyond bad, both in terms of singing and his theatrics in the show. But the band liked it. I think it's another sign of their poor taste.

Sadly, while Ryan's performance was entertaining in its badness, Zayra's performance was more subdued and not nearly as entertaining.

Magni put in a good performance, both in his own song, and by playing guitar for Zayra.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 07:30 pm:   

Eternity, huh. Wow. Hope you like it.

Well, I'm lookin forward to Ryan and the rest.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 09:33 pm:   

My God, I just saw Ryan. Un-fucking-believable. The boy's lost his mind! He looks like he's trying to mutate into the Cure.

To my mind, you underestimated Zayra's badness...She was pretty bad, just not bad as Ryan.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 09:54 pm:   

Magni was good, and he was using a big ol' blond Guild just like mine.

Patrice was lame-ish as usual.

And I don't think T Lee liked Ryan.

I liked Lukas. So did the band.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:50 am:   

My comment...

Josh - Sending Billy Joel a wake-up call

...should have read 'Ryan' (in refernce to his REM thing) and it wasn't meant as a compliment. His range has increased to 4 notes though. Can't wait to see this new mutation :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:55 am:   

ryan was pretty bad. i'm kind hoping for a bottom three for that. and i reckon tommy lee didn't like it either.

i saw dilana for the first time, and she was pretty cool. she looks like she's got the whole thing down solid, but i think i might've prefered lukas a bit more.

i liked zayra's hat.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 05:02 am:   

oh, and just as an aside on ETERNITY..., i've seen that a couple of times in bookstores in sydney.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:04 am:   

Pittsburgh's bookstores aren't very well stocked, so I usually need to order stuff or buy it on vacation.

Zayra was bad, but I was hoping for something that rivaled last week, or rivaled Ryan's performance.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:26 am:   

Most of the rockers this week were just blah, not meriting comment.

Magni was the best. Really good. He created distance from the pack.

Dilana was good, but, hell's bells, can you believe she had never heard "Won't Get Fooled Again?" That's freakish.

Lukas and Toby were both decent enough.

The rest? Blah.

Of course, a word need be said about Zayra. Her singing is still very bad, but I have to tip my top hat to her for picking the best song of the competition. It was weirdly perfect for her Eurovision-quarterfinalist delivery and her bizarro glam-cabaret approach. Again, she was the only rocker I had to see (not hear, but see). She won't win, but she doesn't deserve bottom three this week.

Ryan Starr's "Paint It Black" was the worst performance "Rock Star" has seen or will see. To quote a certain sage, it made me embarrassed to be human.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:29 am:   

Ben, Zayra's hat was good.... :-) She just sang badly. You saw perhaps Dilana's straightest song. Usually her stuff is edgier--she did a great version of friend JC's Ring of Fire.

Gotcha, Robert. I guess it was Ryan's turn in the barrel.

Rich, Ryan's song was Paint it Black. Be prepared.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:41 am:   

Dave, I couldn't belive anyone liked Ryan. When he came in wearing a woodchuck on his head...Jesus. Ryan deserves to leave on that note...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 07:02 am:   

What was weirder? His singing? His Michael Stipe raccoon make-up, his jerky dancing? Or that Supernova all dug it?

That was beyond "bottom three" or "voting off". Tommy, Gilbey and Jason should wait up for that guy in the parking lot and throw him a good Sat. nite beating.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 07:22 am:   

I don't think T Lee liked it. He was sort of coerced into approval by your namesake.

What was weirdest? As weird as the opening, I'd have to say his delivery of the song. Beyond belief. ETBH (embarrassed to be human). :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:57 am:   

I do think you've invented a new internet abbreviation!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:24 am:   

I'm getting more ETBH with each passing day. Your great leader, for example, makes me ETBH all the time.
:-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 12:10 pm:   

MY great leader? I didn't vote for him!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 12:47 pm:   

Do you work for him? Okay.

He's YOUR leader.

I'm putting my money into Ryan Star for President bumper stickers. You just know that guy's gonna wind up a Republican.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 01:28 pm:   

Another reason to vote for Zayra. There's a good Portland democrat if I ever saw one!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 01:34 pm:   

She's from Texas, man. The Latinos down there went big for Bush...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 02:02 pm:   

Zayra could "convert" me, then...:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 02:11 pm:   

Just because she wears funny clothes? I don't think she's that good-looking. Fact is, she seems like kind of a skank....

To each his own.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:18 pm:   

Hey, really like Bluebottle Kiss, Ben. I've only listened to the first cd, but it's cool stuff. Thanks for sending it.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:19 pm:   

I don't like Seagal leaking out onto the 'net either. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:38 pm:   

hey, cool on the bluebottle kiss, lucius. i just found out they're doing a gig in sydney at the end of august: thirteen piece band, playing the entire double album of doubt seeds. it's at a uni bar, but fuck it, how can i say no to that?

you know, ryan did suck. a lot. but no one seems to have said anything about how he butchered the song. and he sounded a lot more out of key that zayra does.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:58 pm:   

Sounds worth attending, though a uni bar...is that like a fundy? ;) Wish I could see it.

Yeah, Ryan's delivery was hideous. Maybe worse than hideous. His whole act seemed strangely desperate.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 07:44 pm:   

a uni bar is basically a bar at a university. the gig is only eighteen bucks, so so far all the pros outweigh the cons.

he did seem desperate. i wonder why navarro liked it.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 08:13 pm:   

18 bucks sounds like a deal....

I don't know -- navarro like some weird shit. I mean, he liked Perry Farrell.... :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 08:54 pm:   

Anyway, I thought Ryan was awful, and I'm waiting to see if the band wlll concur. I reckon Jill would be my second choice. Josh did a pretty good job on Shooting Star....

Well, it's not Ryan...Wow.

Josh and Jill both cut.

And Ryan lives to sing again....Yuck.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:20 am:   

I was happy that Jill went home. I liked Josh, but he didn't seem right for the band, so I'm not disappointed he left.

I hope Ryan and Zayra stick around. They have been providing some great (but awful) entertainment.

Out of the people who are left, I'm liking Dilana, Magni, Storm, and Lukas. I don't think the others are real contenders.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:24 am:   

i was just pleased to see ryan in the three. i mean, he sucked. tommy knew it. everyone knew it. finally, the masses do something i agree with.

i'm not surprised they cut josh. he was so not on the wave length of the band. jill was always going to go.

ryan did suck and i thought magni sounded and looked exactly like the guy from live.

and i don't mind a bit of perry farrell. i like at least one jane's addiction album--RITUAL DE LO HABITUAL.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:10 am:   

I'm all right with the cuts for reasons stated. Just ryan blew so bad, you know. I like RITUAL too, but you get my point, I think.

Did anyone notice how Ryan was really bumming when the other members of the three were singing?

One thing I realized last night -- Lukas, in the face, greatly resembles the young marlon brando, even down to the hairline. booji boy, indeed.

Yeah, Jill was a huge snore and I think you nailed the contenders, Robert. Really I think it's Magni, Dilana, or Robert...
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:46 am:   

Toby could elevate his performance and make the contenders list, as well.

Perhaps the cruelest thing about the whole contest is that Ryan seemed genuinely shocked to be in the bottom three. He really thought he was good this week.

I'm going to miss Jill, just because she oozed sex. Her "Respect" did not deserve same, however. I liked Josh's "Shooting Star", a guilty pleasure Bad Co song I always liked.

It's coming down to Magni vs. Dilana, with Lukas and Toby as dark horse candidates. I think Storm will choke under pressure.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:53 am:   

I don't think ll' Marlon is a dark horse at all. Toby's thick, like fratboy thick. He's not going to make it. Yeah, Ryan's delusional. Forget him.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 07:05 am:   

Nothing I've seen so far suggests Toby could elevate his performance. He's been safe pretty much the whole time and hasn't shown any variety in his singing.

Ryan and Zayra may suck, but at least they aren't playing it safe. Taking risks like that can lead to great failure (like we've seen), or occasional moments of brilliance.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 07:23 am:   

Nobody sees the resmblance between Lukas and Brando?

Yeah, I agree Tobywise.

As to ryan and Z, they should marry and have babies. Their spawn will rule over...something.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 08:11 am:   

If you watch the "Webisode" you can hear a little of the songs the contestants wrote for Rock Star:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aIHzfWIAoE

It doesn't show everyone, just a few bits. They didn't seem to like Dilana's lyrics, but liked Lukas's lyrics.

I was able to find three complete songs as well:
Storm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CdvoCPql0w
Toby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zKldAhNedc
Lukas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNK5LBBQi2k
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 08:33 am:   

Thanks. I'll have to hook up my new computer before I can see it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 08:43 am:   

I think you give Supernova too much credit. Don't forget: they loved "Paint It Black." And don't forget: "Brother J.D." won last year. A thick fratboy with a passable voice who can make the pre-teens scream could be just what the dr. ordered.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 09:45 am:   

I repeat. Tommy did not love paint it black. There was disagreement in the voting. I think he wanted Ryan out, but be that as it may, he definitely did not like the song.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 02:47 pm:   

Anybody heard The Frost, a band with members of IQ? Kind of a prog rock outfit?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 03:16 pm:   

Frost* is the band that always has me checking for footnotes all the time because of that asterix. They seem to be the rage in circles that dig the more melodic/AOR symphonic rock that use those early 80s British Marquee bands as templates, i.e., Marillion, IQ, Pallas etc. Which doesn't include me.

Lucius, I'm reading your Weapons of Mass Seduction book right now, one of the LotR movie reviews where you say, in regards to the [Enya] soundtrack, "Could they just stop? Some of us need a break, okay? Give the lady a Xanax." That's about how I see the sort of bands above, I just want to supply Kleenex and tell them it'll all get better.

* Nope, nothing here either.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 03:49 pm:   

Thanks, Mike, I was toying with the idea of buying it. No longer.

There was a band back in Detroit called the Frost who had a regional hit with House of the Rising Son. I think I probably would like them better
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 03:54 pm:   

You just brought to mind the old Frijid Pink version of that song. Remember them?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 04:35 pm:   

Yup. Played on the same bill a couple of times. They used to play at the Grande a lot.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 04:42 pm:   

Yuck, anything with members of IQ sounds bad. Neoprog in general always rubbed me the wrong way. Neoprog seemed to mix the worst elements of prog rock and 80s pop (cheesy synths, bad pop, lots of boring musical masturbation). Now it seems to mix in more elements of AORI make exceptions for Marillion, but I consider them more pop than prog (especially since I like the stuff with Hogarth on vocals).
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 04:58 pm:   

I'm sold! ;) I'm not familiar with any of these bands, but was curious.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:45 pm:   

you know, i do kinda see the marlon brando bit in his face. but i don't think it's so much that he resembles an actual young brando, but an older brando looking younger.

i'm going to put my money behind dilana for winning. last year i thought jd was a good chance, cause i thought he fit the style of inxs. but i went back on it, cause he was a bit of a whiny suck. this year, i reckon it's dilana, for the style reasons--i think she's the one who'll gell with the band most.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:47 pm:   

It looks like the only member of IQ involved with Frost is John Jowitt, who has played bass on probably 33% of the neoprog records to come out of England in the last 8 years. He's a good player and a real nice guy too, but I'm with Robert when it comes to this style in general (more heinous than the tones is the omnipresent sense of woe-is-me melodrama). It's weird because the bands that started up this sort of thing in the early 80s were probably as influenced by punk, Pink Floyd and Peter Hammill as they were Genesis, but if you'd take a sampling of the bands now, you'd think they'd grown up with Asia, Saga and Kansas. I find it difficult not to compare this sort of thing with the scads of 800 page high fantasy novels on the market. If Genesis is Tolkien, the neoprog scene is the Dragonlance saga. ;)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:53 pm:   

BTW, any krautrock fans here? There was a pretty big WDR TV broadcast of a bunch of old German classics recently that's being torrented. Here's the link to one of the files with the setlist at the bottom:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/390292
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:59 pm:   

Yeah, Ben...that's good. An older Brando looking younger.

Dilana's definitely got a shot. But they didn't like her songwriting...they did like Lukas and that's big.

I can't see Toby or Ryan. Toby's thicker than was JD and TLee doesn't like Ryan. I think it comes down to Magni v Lukas. But D's got a future. We'll see.

Mike....I'll never mention Dragonlance...er, the frost again.
You scared me off. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:10 pm:   

I re-watched Ryan's performance, and it was worse than I remembered. A bad re-arrangement of the song, screwing up lyrics frequently, inconsistent volume and pitch, not to mention the animal pelt on his head and raccoon makeup. I think it's the worst performance on the show so far, although Zayra's a strong contender for many of her songs.

Lucius is right, Tommy sounded like he was trying to be kind about the performance, but he really disliked it.


And if neoprog is Dragonlance, prog metal is Robert Jordan (endlessly going nowhere, with writing meant to be profound but really being sad).

Krautrock is something I never really explored. I did like the Popol Vuh track I heard, but never found time or money to check out more of the genre.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:17 pm:   

The German stuff is some of my favorite: Guru Guru, Ash Ra Tempel, early Tangerine Dream, etc. It would indeed be a new hobby to dip in, although I could suggest a few starters if you'd like.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:24 pm:   

Mike, they do sound cool. Thanks.

Robert, yep. T Lee was about, I think, to say something more cutting, but then Navarro jumped in with one of his Dude, you had to love that deals. I wonder if Navarro isn't the voice of the producer, jumping in to save someone the show wants to save. I've thought this before. Dave said it best -- that was the worst performance ever on the show. And that's saying a mouthful. He had no connection with the song, and as it went on, it got worse.
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Nathan Ballingrud
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:43 pm:   

But then you both read Martin and realized all was well with the world, right? Right?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 07:02 pm:   

Holy trainwreck, Batman! I just watched "Who Wants to be a Superhero." It's even worse than Rock Star. Dumbest idea for a reality show that I've seen.

I am still willing to read Martin. I can't say the same about anybody else in epic fantasy.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 08:00 pm:   

Here's another link that might be of interest, a bay area band called Azigza. They have some thematic crossover with Indukti but are much closer to world music than rock. There's some excerpts from their new album, although I like their first a bit better.

http://www.lionharp.com/azigza/index.html
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 08:31 pm:   

I watched an episode of Rock Star. Whoa. Too much for me.

Thanks, Mike.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:20 am:   

We'll probably hear them soon enough.

Nothing to say about epic fantasy other than that I can't abide it.
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jk
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:33 am:   

I love Krautrock. You should check out Can, Faust, Neu, Amon Duul II, Cluster, Popol Vuh, Embryo, Ash Ra Tempel, Guru Guru, Harmonia, etc.
Stick to the first 3 or 4 albums by each and you can't go wrong(only two Harmonia albums).
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:56 am:   

I'm listening to the new Ephel Duath album...I wish they'd go instrumental. The weird metal/jazz guitar is great, but the screamed vocals make me think of Sam Kineson. I prefer more gutteral vocals if they insist on screaming or growling.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:23 am:   

"the screamed vocals make me think of Sam Kineson..."

That puts Ephel Duath in a brand new light. :-)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 12:20 pm:   

jk - I agree with your krautrocks picks, although would add that you could stretch Embryo albums to about their 8th or 9th (or even farther if you dig world music). Great jazz-rock group, even Miles Davis dug them apparently (jazzers Mal Waldron and Charlie Mariano played with em at various times).

Curious about the new Ephel Duath as well, the first one didn't really do a whole lot for me, but felt they were kind of on the cusp of a good thing. Genre fusions are fun, but it didn't seem like their own style had gelled yet. Closer on the second maybe?
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jk
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 05:11 pm:   

Yeah, there's a quote on a few of the Embryo reissues from Miles Davis saying how much he likes them and what good musicians they are. I think Embryo's Reiche is the last one I have by them(about their 8th or 9th), the one where they play with Indian musicians, but supposedly even their later ones are good.
Embryo recently did an album with No Neck Blues Band that I've been meaning to pick up too. I heard a track on the radio and it sounds pretty cool.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 08:54 pm:   

i thought the thing that pulled JD through last year was that, vocally, he sounded a lot like hutchence, so the songs didn't have to be modified a lot for him. if they'd gone with marty, the band would have had to modify a lot to suit him. jd was just a new version of the old, i thought.

as for epic fantasy, i spent a lot of time reading it in high school. most of it was a much of a muchness, but i still enjoy a bit of it. the martin books are cool, and they're about all i'd recommend, though none of it rocks the world. i liked it like i liked pirates of the carribean. heh.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:18 pm:   

Well, if that's the case, then this year I say Lukas and Dilana are the only real competitors, 'cause they're the only ones with voices that'll cut through Supernova's bombast. Lukas wins on songwriting. But Dilana sounds the most like Axl Rose.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:28 pm:   

see, i reckon that's what it'll really come down to: who can cut through the band and not force them to change their style. i think lukas'll make them change, somewhat. dilana seems more adaptable, and she has the axl rose thing, which i think will count hugely in her favour.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 05:28 am:   

Mike: Painter's Palette was Ephel Duath's second album. I believe the first was less jazz and more traditional black metal. Pain Necessary to Know is their third album. I've only listened once, but it does seem like they've gelled a bit more.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 06:40 am:   

Ben, I hope you're right, because I like her and want her to catch a break. Supernova's probably a one-off, and she can use the platform to go on to better things.
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Rich Patterson
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 08:47 am:   

Finally caught the 5th performance show. Gotta say I thought the top three were Lukas, Magni and Dilana (in that order).

There is something basically wrong with a system that gives the worst performers extra national TV exposure. If I was producing this show, I'd give the top three the chance to pick their own material for a follow up show the next night, so that winning means you get to show off your stuff in your own way beyond the 2 minute format. Zayra is getting way too much exposure (pun intended) by being bad.

Ryan has fuckin' snapped for sure, or else the piece of ass he got after last weeks Billy Joel meets REM was a Klingon.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 09:26 am:   

I think the encores are an attempt to give the best more air time, but I like the idea of letting the best pick their own material.

Something else I would like is voting for the worst performance, instead of the best. The worst 3 get put up for elimination. I don't see it being too different in results, but I know some people complained in American Idol that similar singers split votes, and didn't get enough to continue, while worse singers went on.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 11:05 am:   

I think Rich, re extra time, was referring to the elimination shows.

Rich, Dilana was third only because she had the handicap of playing with a member of Supernova. :-)

Did you catch the mean, freaked looks Ryan was casting when his fellow bottom 3 members were singing? He's definitely snapped.
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ben peek
Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 04:08 am:   

ryan did look like he had the whole i'm a tortured genius thing going on. the dude kinda freaks me out. i wonder how long until he's pouring rat poison into the coffee?
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 07:32 am:   

I'm thinking next week. Lukas is the first to die. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 03:09 pm:   

Has anyone heard Manta Ray? I just picked up one of their albums and I'm surprised I hadn't heard of them before now. They play alternative rock mixed with prog rock influences (so vaguely like Radiohead). I guess having lyrics in Spanish hurts their chances for success in the alternative circles. I'm not sure about the prog circles (since many prog fans don't care about lyrics).
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   

re: Embryo, I don't think their new music has quite the same energy as their 70s albums, but most of what I heard is definitely not too bad. I'd go see em live if I had the chance (which, if I don't go to Germany soon, is probably slim), although I'll doubt they'll ever record anything that I like as much as Rache, Steig Aus, We Keep On etc.

re: Ephel Duath, thanks for the correction Robert, you're right it's the second one I had heard.

Don't know Manta Ray, description reminds me a little of Mars Volta.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 05:06 pm:   

Not much like Mars Volta, it's all shorter songs and a focus on mood rather than guitar riffs. No wailing vocals either.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 06:47 pm:   

Oh no, it's a completely acoustic night on Rock Star. This can't be good.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 07:19 pm:   

It could be horribly good! :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 07:29 pm:   

They had the chance to perform an original song, and only Zayra and Ryan wanted to do it. Zayra ended up doing her own song...in Spanish. I think it's her most enjoyable performance (actual enjoyment, not enjoying how terrible it is).

Umm, I thought it was supposed to be acoustic, so what was a distorted solo doing in Storm's song?

Ryan wasn't terrible either. The velvet frock coat looked a bit weird though. And Dave didn't hit on the contestants, but did seem like he was trying to flirt with the woman in the string section.

Dilana had a minor lyric screw-up, but was great as usual.

My bottom 3 prediction this week: Patrice, Zayra, Toby. I was guessing that before finding out they were the preliminary bottom 3. I think Patrice will go home.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 07:39 pm:   

Well, they gotta send Patrice home soon. Zayra may make it another two shows, then she's gone.

Jeez, it doesn't come on for another hour and a half here.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 09:56 pm:   

Patrice blew. Zayra was better than usual but the song was right out of a vat. Magni...nice suit...yawn. Lukas did good. Storm might go home. Toby....Schmoby. Ryan was pitchy throughout, though all the echo nearly hid it. Dilana just keeps doing it...
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:05 am:   

i reckon it's dilana's to take at this point.

is it me, or did magni remind you of one of those lounge lizard, crooner acts? anyhow: i didn't think patrice was any worse than magni, but then i thought magni should've been in vegas working a floor show. zayra was alright--her vocals seemed smoother in spanish, but she's obviously not what the band is looking for.

i reckoni t's time for patrice to go, though.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:56 am:   

Magni was bland last night. I thought Storm did a good job with the song she had, but it wasn't a good song choice. I listened to 1/3 of Patrice's song before fast-forwarding through it.

Patrice has been the bottom three a few times, but Zayra has too. Toby hasn't, so he won't go home the first time he's in it. I think the band will keep Zayra for another week or two for the entertainment.

I found it ironic that the band told Zayra they wanted to see her rock after mandating an acoustic peformance.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:35 am:   

Where the hell are they getting these damn songs? "I Will Survive?" "Cat's in the Cradle?" How are you gonna sound like the leader of Supernova singing that shit? Dilana did about as well as anyone could with that number.

Easy bottom three: Patrice. Storm. Toby.

I didn't like Toby's "Solesbury Hill" at all, bongos or no bongos.

The Genius Zayra lulls everyone into a false sense of security and then drops da bomb on 'em, with all her Latin flayva. Hey, you've got to admit, it was all wrong for the contest, but she was pretty good last night. No way does she end up in the bottom three.

I dug Lukas. Magni was bland but credible and professional. Ryan was good enough to stick around for another week.

How about Navarro coming on to the violinist? What a dick...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:53 am:   

I thought Magni was going to break out a cane and do a softshoe. The band was vicious with Storm. She did a sort of cabaret thing with Gaynor, what the fuck are Harry Chapin and Gloria Gaynor doing in this competition? And what's Newstead doing constantly jumping on Lucas for throat-singing? That's a perfectly viable style. And yeah...let's rock! Next week all of you will do Fiona Apple songs and rock them...

Zayra....Her song was tepid Spanish emo trash. She oughta go. But Patrice probably will go and should have gone earlier. She looks like a soccer mom with tattoos and her vocals are only so-so....
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:00 am:   

Yeah, I forgot Toby. Amateur night. And Navarro, that cockroach....What an asshole.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:39 am:   

Storm has had her good weeks, but she's inconsistent. I think people get a kick out of Zayra for whatever reason, but, obviously, she's not going to make the final four. I don't know what's up with Toby; he shows signs of cracking under pressure. This was certainly his weakest performance. Lukas shows flashes of brilliance, but will Supernova want a guy that short fronting them...he does lack that long lanky rockstar "presence"...

The only people who have been consistent and credible as metal frontmen every week are Dilana and Magni. That will be a good showdown.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:40 am:   

But even if she loses, I think Supernova should record a one-off Latin metal single with Zayra. That would be a howl.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:49 am:   

A one-off Latin metal single will probably be better than the Supernova album.

Why is Jason acting like a vocal coach for Lukas? Does he even have singing experience to draw on, or is he just making stuff up? I think Lukas is right to dismiss his advice.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:49 am:   

To his credit, Lukas comes across bigger when he sings. Dilana's the obvious choice. That said, I'm picking Magna. He's been consistent, I agree. Consistently boring, That performance last night was awful. Competent, but awful. They should have jumped all over him for it--the fact they didn't tells me they like him.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:06 am:   

But they also dug Toby and his phrasing was all over the place...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:21 am:   

I think Navarro mainly dug toby, and the band wasn't going to dis the guy who played with Gilbey.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:29 am:   

And Tommy liked his bum.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:20 am:   

I can't recall Newstead, or anybody in metallica, doing actual singing.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 10:11 am:   

Wasn't Hetfield the singer?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 10:11 am:   

Newstead didn't sing in Flotsam & Jetsam either, or in Voivod. I don't think hanging around singers really qualifies for giving singing advice.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 10:30 am:   

Hell, no it doesn't.

And Hetfield's singing was pretty primitive.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 01:56 pm:   

The "unplugged" thing with electrics always annoys me. Dream Theater did some "unplugged" gigs where they played electric guitar, just without distortion. Marillion's unplugged live album is full of synths. I was hoping they'd do more with piano or harmonium. At least The Gathering called their live album "semi-acoustic."
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 02:07 pm:   

I recall zeppelin did an unplugged thing with half the human race on stage, orchestra, a ghazal singer from India, etc. etc. That, to me, doesn't qualify.
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Mikal Trimm
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 04:06 pm:   

Poor Patrice. She's probably calling her brother (Robert Rodriguez) right now and saying, "Hey! Lucius Shepard just called me a soccer mom! Do a movie of his life, pronto! In 3-D!"
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 04:27 pm:   

her brother is robert rodrigeuz?

still, got to agree witht he soccer mum with tattoos thing.

lucius, i reckon you're wrong to back magni. i don't reckon there's no way tommy lee will want to be in a band that sounds like coldplay or live.

(and you know, i just realised newstead was from metallica. i've been trying to figure out where he's from for ages.)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 04:29 pm:   

Hey, she looks like a soccer mom, I can't help it. I've had extensive experience with said soccer moms, and she is qualified.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:22 pm:   

i can just see the headline now: 'Aclaimed Author Details Soccer Mom Fetish'

'It's those SUVs,' Shepard reveals. 'All that room inside. I can't get enough.'

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:39 pm:   

You nailed it...or somebody did. ;)
In among my daily spam is a porn site called Soccer Moms.

So Richie Rodriguez is Patrice's bro?

How bout that. Well, she's still soccermomlike.

I'm not backing Magni -- I just think Supernova's too stupid to live...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:44 pm:   

Why does unplugged always mean a string ensemble? Dilana has done a good job with just voice and guitar. Nick Drake did, as does Jose Gonzalez and a lot of others.

Patrice does look like a soccer mom with tattoos. A young one, but she still gives that impression.

Tonight, we got to hear the first complete Supernova song. I think everyone can guess who the band invited on stage to sing it. After hearing it, I wonder why they're all competing to front the band. I think I can skip Supernova.

I'll comment a bit more after it's aired on the West Coast.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:47 pm:   

:P

yeah, well, i do think supernova is a one shot album, and then it'll be bye bye...

my daily spam told me about teeth and asian girls. maybe there's a connection.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:55 pm:   

Pittsburgh must be in the Accelerated Time Zone, man. Over two hours before it airs here....

I can't guess...unless it's Magni.

Obviously the contest winner will get money and recognition. But I know what you mean.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:00 pm:   

teeth and asian girls...and Richie Rodrigues.

The connection becomes obvious.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:09 pm:   

It's on at 8 here, so 5 PM your time.

I'm more convinced that some the singers will do much better music on their own. I'm also more convinced the band has bad taste (the encore tonight is yet another example).
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:14 pm:   

i got about 9 hours till it appears here, so i'm taking off, to save myself the surprise. well. actually, to work. but you know.

;)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:20 pm:   

You could sit by your nails, nervously chewing your nails?

The encore...God, now I'm really confused. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:34 pm:   

...by your tv, I meant.
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Mikal Trimm
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:42 pm:   

Lucius--

Yep, she's his sister. If I'm not mistaken, she was the lead in his first short film, "Bedhead" (which I saw on a late night show ages ago.)

She's also been in the bands 'Sister Seven' and 'Patrice Pike And The Blackbox Rebellion'.

She was solicited to be on the show while she was touring in California...

Guess they wanted to stick a ringer in there? Guess it didn't work?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:56 pm:   

Naw, it didn't work at all. I'm taking this to the new thread and will comment there.

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