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Lucius
Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:29 pm:   

Damn it all!! If Minz can co-opt my space, so can I...to talk about the fight of the year: Erik (el Terrible) Morales v Carlos (Famosito) Hernandez. Morales the consumate assassin, possessor of a great left hook, power on both hands, versus Hernandez the pressure fighter. PPV.. Sat, July 31st. Be there or be square. Morales moving up form 126 has already copped one belt at 130 -- Saturday he goes for two.
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 08:44 am:   

There's a decent piece on Arturo Gatti in the latest SI (you've seen the cover already). Sounds like he's a fighter who's fun to watch, though I've never seen him. As I've mentioned in other threads, I haven't really followed the sweet science in quite a while. What's your take on Gatti, Lucius? You see any of his fights with Ward? Did you see him take down Doring on Sat? Is this just HBO money talking, or is Gatti worth watching?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 09:32 am:   

Gatti looks like leatherface from Texas Chainsaw, he;s been cut so much. He makes his rep off fighting guys smaller than himself, guys moving up from lighter weight divisions, beating them up. Put him in with guys his own size, they tear him up. Tzyu, de la Hoya, they all had an easy fighy with Gatti. His fights with Ward were entertaining, but Ward is a journeyman fighter and he won one fight and was life and death with him in the other two. Dorin was an example of guy who was feather fisted at a lighter weight moving up. Put Gatti in with a guy his size who has power and he;s toast. But he puts asses in the seats and if matched correctly, he'll win and bleed a lot while he does. Gatti competes at 14O but routinely enters the ring weighing close to 160--he;s being artificially kept at a low weight; he sometimes has a two-division weight advantage over his opposition. As a result, he often puts his opponent at risk for serious injury, Sometimes, during a weigh-in, he'll jump on and off the scale so fast, the needle wont have stabilized and the commision guy will yell out 140 while pocketing a pay-off. He's a joke.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:05 am:   

Minz, do yourself a favor, buy the PPV this week end--you'll see a HOF fighter in Morales and anoher one on Raul Marquez...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:33 am:   

Didn't Gatti very nearly have a weight-related catastrophe involving former lightweight champ Joey Gamache? As I understand it, Gamache was in the hospital for a while and retired right after he got out.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:39 am:   

Yup. Two 140 pounders get in the ring--one comes in around 140, one around 160. Joey for sure retired.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:45 am:   

Erik Morales of Tijuana, Mexico, will fight Carlos Hernandez of El Salvador to unify 130-pound titles. Their bout is a fight-of-the-year candidate already.
By Eric Jamison, AP

Fighters often leave home for weeks or months to get ready, isolating themselves from family and friends and swearing off tasty treats in order to make weight.

Then it's showtime, and they have only one night to make it all worthwhile.

That night is just a few days away for junior lightweight champs Erik Morales and Carlos Hernandez, who meet Saturday night (9 ET, HBO PPV, $39.95) at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas to unify 130-pound titles. It's a potential fight-of-the-year candidate that has largely been overshadowed by Mike Tyson's competing ring return on Friday night.

Morales (No. 3 USA TODAY, 46-1, 34 KOs), Mexico's most beloved active fighter, trained in the cold mountains north of Mexico City, where it rained throughout camp.

"I'm used to working in the rain and it has being raining almost daily here," says Morales, who makes the first defense of the belt he won in an all-action slugfest with Jesus Chavez in February.

That win put Morales in an elite club with legend Julio Cesar Chavez as the only Mexican fighters to win titles in three divisions.

Hernandez (No. 8, 40-3-1, 24 KOs), a national hero as El Salvador's first champion, trained for seven weeks in the mountains of Big Bear, Calif.

Morales' typical training day is monotonous, but he knows the sacrifices he makes are why he's been a champion virtually continuously since 1997.

"I get up for my run at about 7 in the morning because any earlier than that and it would be too cold to do anything," he says. "I come back to the cabin to rest and have breakfast. In the afternoon we do hard work and after two solid hours, we take a shower and go down to eat at local restaurant. I eat mostly fruit."

Then Morales and his team relax by watching TV or a movie. Morales also likes to read books and answer e-mail. Typically, he's asleep by 10:30. That's his schedule for about two months before finally breaking camp and heading to the fight venue.

Morales, known for making exciting fights, including two memorable bouts with Marco Antonio Barrera, expects another one with Hernandez.

"He's a very strong fighter who likes to push forward and tries to overwhelm you with punches," he says. "He's very brave and has a big heart. But he is a one-note fighter. I don't think he has much technique. He just throws the same punches over and over and then comes forward with his head, so I'm going to have to be careful with that, (but) I think that it can be a great fight because of our styles."

Says Hernandez, "I'm going to stay on top of him the entire fight."

Hernandez, who lost his first two world title bids to Genaro Hernandez and Floyd Mayweather, finally won his belt against David Santos in February 2003. He has no intention of giving it up easily.

"I know what I'm getting into against Morales. I'm prepared for whatever he throws at me," he says. "I'm prepared to take on a technical Morales or a hard-punching Morales. I am fighting Morales because he is clearly the best in our division. He is a champion who will not back down. Neither will I.

"When you fight, your first goal is to win a world championship. Your second goal is to unify the titles, which is what I'm doing."
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Minz
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 12:41 pm:   

Could you record this, Lucius? We have front row seats for the New York Liberty Sat night (even if the game is in Radio City friggin Music Hall because of the Republican National Convention, which is over a month away!!!!)

If it lives up to its hype, I'll want to see it. Maybe we could watch it at Worldcon . . .
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 12:56 pm:   

Yeah sure...No problem, man. Don't know about worldcon, haven't made up my mind.
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Nels
Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 01:58 am:   

Hello Lucius.

Morales is one of those guys who makes all the dodgy refereeing and mismatches seem almost worthwhile, isn't he? I haven't seen him in a bad fight, even when he's been weightdrained and emaciated. I do worry about him at junior-light, though; I know he's a warrior, and only two years older than me and all I've seen of Hernandez is, erm, the (Genaro) Hernandez fight, but it's going into the trenches and the ol' "Good big guy &c" cliché kinda kicks in.

Is it Rafael Marquez who's fighting Heriberto Ruiz on the undercard? That's Juan Manuel's little bro, isn't it? I saw the second Too Sharp fight, and of course the Tim Austin one. Brutal guy.

Sorry to take up so much space, but it's certainly going to be the kind of card you want to show non-boxing fans (hey, my ex-girlfriend even got into boxing after I forced her to stay up all night to watch the first Barrera-Morales fight). Enough rambling, thanks for the stories.

Take care,
Nels.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 04:11 am:   

I worry about him at junior lightweight, too, bit Hernandez is made for him--amd he;s the good big guy in this fight. Still and all, he;s close to the end and you have to worry about hims. I see him dropping a big left hook of Hernandez around round 6. I could be wrong. :-)

Yeah, if is Raul Marquez. He;s a monster. Too Sharp gets my vote for Fighter of the 90s. If he had been 135 pounds, he;d be ai superstar.

Don;t worry about wasting space. Never enough space wasted on boxing,
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Nels
Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 07:06 am:   

>Never enough space wasted on boxing

Oh, man. I've got to find somewhere new to live. But...

Right. Well, Tyson's been shot since at least 1995, is fat and on more drugs than your average member of The Strokes. He's effective for two rounds maximum, and his accuracy's gone these days. Mr Reliability.

However, Williams hasn't trained for a fight since... Williams has never trained for a fight. He's Six-three max, and when anywhere near 250 lbs he's another example of the late-nineties' Superheavyweight FatboyDivision (previous alumni Ruiz, Rahman, Tua (Champion In Perpetuity), Johnson, Sanders, oh God I can't stop). He can actually jab properly (admittedly more than Vitali can do) and can crack with the right cross, but he was out-moved and outboxed by Julius Francis and Mike Sprott. Oh yes. We're not talking Mr Reliability here either.

Yet if Danny runs like a bitch, sorry, sorry, runs like Oscar De La Hoya for four rounds Tyson will be so fucked he won't be able to keep his gloves up and all Danny's gotta do is jab him until his eyes close and the ref steps in.

Or Tyson will land a haymaker in the first minute and we'll be buried under Serious Media Headlines going "TYSON HAS RETURNED (AGAIN!)"

I shouldn't care, in fact I don't care and I'm definitely not buying the fight. But when you think about it, my justifications for not doing so are as shaky as any I've ever had FOR watching a boxing match. (Apart from the exorbitant PPV, of course).

>Too Sharp gets my vote for Fighter of the 90s

Dude, you're preaching to the converted.

But... I loved the Chiquita/Carbajal fights; a great mesh of styles. Yet those guys probably made as much fighting each other as Johnson did in his career (okay, I'm exagerrating, but I'm sure that Carbajal's house is three times the size of Johnson's). They made a hefty chunk of change for that series, and they were what, Light-Flyweight?

What I think we're left with is well, what was that Smokin' Joe line to Marvin Hagler? "Three strikes against you..."

By the by, I totally agree that if Too Sharp was a lightweight they'd have to fucking deify him. How much natural ability, killer instinct, ring generalship &C did that guy have?

Any thoughts on Vivian Harris/ Ricky Hatton, Lucius? (If Fast Frankie Warren actually delivers, that is) I've read about him but not seen him. I personally think he's faced better comp than Hatton, though.

Take care

Nels

PS; Saw Injin Chi win in ten against Sugayama, a former Japanese 122 pound champ, Saturday night. Chi looked vulnerable (a disallowed knockdown in the 6th and a moment in the seventh where he was gone) against a hard-hitting but essentially mediocre guy... Pac and Marquez (shit, maybe even Barrera) would take the guy if he showed up like that. Stories were he weighed in at 128 and took multiple attempts to get the weight off.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 08:02 am:   

Tyson. I wouldn;t pay ten cents to see it. The sad thing is, if he gets past Wiliams, the poor sod could win the title. I mean I can see Vitally hauling that immense upper body back after throwing one of those punches that look like he's trying to snatch a piece of paper our of a campfire...and Smack!

Yeah, Carbajal-Chiguita were interestning, but neither one of those guys could have dealt with Johnson.

On paper, I like Vyvian over Rickey--Rickey;s gonna have to show me something more. But maybe he will and the fight's in Manchester. I'm pulling for him, because he brings it, and itld be nice to see a fighter like that make good.

Guess Pac will steamroll In Jin...
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Nels
Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 08:12 am:   

Yeah, sorry about the Tyson stuff. I've studiously ignored everything I can about it, but it's like arguments about fantasy and horror, you just get dragged back in again...

But Morales in six, yeah? Cool.

I'd *like* to see Hatton win too, but I think about the endless procession of South American lightweights he's been fed and I think he's gonna find Harris too determined when he steps it up.

And, yes, Johnson would've played with Gonzalez or Carbajal. I think he'd have been too big and fast for Finito Lopez, too.
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Nels
Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 08:20 am:   

PPS: That image of Vitali pulling back, the campfire one, just made me spit coffee over my PC man. Cheers. God, after landing a right-hander, Vit takes two days to pull back, Tyson landing a left hook...

That's going to give me nightmares, man. If Tyson does win a title, I am officially never watching any boxers who weigh more than, say, Vitali's right leg ever again.

Later
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 08:35 am:   

Morales in six...I could be wrong, this could be the night he gets caught, but I hope not--I really enjoy watching him.

Johnson would have killed Finito, but that doesn't diminish Finito--Johnson would have taken out anyone.

I'm already there with the lummox class heavies....

See ya.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 06:18 am:   

I did not buy the Tyson fight, but now I wish I had, if only for the surreal sight of seeing Mike slumped on the ropes, able but unwilling to get up to absorb more punishment from a hand-picked tomato can. I have to say that I find it kind of funny that, in his mind, Shelley Finkel had already paid off $39 million in debts and was holding onto the title! Guess it's onto Plan B...whoops, there is no Plan B! Hard to feel sorry for a guy who blew through $400 million and seems happier broke. Could Tyson end up stealing pocketbooks in Brownsville again? This train wreck could be more spectacular than the most ghoulish of us ever imagined.

Did catch the highly-entertaining, if not fabulously suspenseful Morales-Hernandez fight. I must admit I never truly appreciated Morales. But this fight really opened my eyes to what I had been missing. Much respect to Famoso for coming to fight, pressing the action and throwing leather for 12 rounds, even though after the 6th or 7th, it was becoming clear he couldn't win. The guy just didn't have the reach, the movement or the counterpunching to handle Morales' boxing ability. He had no answer for them, and lacked the power to do any serious damage on the inside. Still, an interesting bout and a real clinic for aspiring fighters who might have been watching.

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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 07:15 am:   

How about Raul Marquez? That KO was a thng of beauty. I've always been a Morales fan. Since long before he was a champ. The heart Morales shows even this late date is remarkabe.

Tyson, Shmyson. He;s not history, he'e paleontology. But...they've got the knee for an excuse.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 07:23 am:   

I tuned in late. Missed the Marquez fight. Turned on the broadcast during the awful Chavez Jr. four-rounder.

Tyson is paleontology in the boxing sense, today's news in the freakshow/trainwreck sense.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 07:36 am:   

Well, there are enough trainwreck freakshows to keep the media busy. Tyson'll always be a story, but he;s sinking off page one.
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Nels
Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 12:05 pm:   

Sorry to keep at you Lucius, but I've got to go "Whoopee" after Saturday night's fight card. Morales looks better the heavier he gets. I don't know if he could beat one of the Diazes up at lightweight (Diaz's. Diazzezes. Whatever) but I'd like to see him try.

And, yeah, Juan Manuel's little bro hits like a bantamweight Tommy Hearns. I thought Ruiz was dead when he fell face first like that. And those jabs he sticks out... Amazing.
Take care
Nels
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 12:35 pm:   

No worries, Nels. Always a pleasure. Whoopee is right. I was amamzed Famosito could take it --big props to him. I share your enthusiam for seeing Morales at lightweight, but I think we're more likely to see Manny P. step up. And then i like Morales to get out. He's been in a lot of wars and I like to see him leave with his brains intact...,

Marquez reminds me of old films I;ve seen of Eder Jofre, who was one of the two or three best fighters ever, in my view. Did you catch the tale of the tape? The guys all arms and legs. Five feet five with a plus seventy inch wingspan. Amazing.
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Nels
Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 12:46 am:   

Oh man, Eder Jofre! Now there's a name to conjure with. Never seen him (I am alas, only 24) but if you try and follow the game you can't miss his achievements.

And yeah, I get what you mean about Marquez's reach. It does seem somewhat ridiculous that a five-five guy has a seventy-plus reach. Jesus, I bet he has trouble finding clothes!

Take care (hoping someone in the UK shows Freitas-Corrales)

Nels

PS: I'm going to lay that one on the line right now: I really don't care who wins out of Popo and Diego, as long as I get to see it...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 04:51 am:   

Nels,

Popo-Corrales....Wow. If the Popo who fought Casanayor show up, I'll take Freitas...I think he;s got a better chin than Corrales. But Il'm with you, just so I get to see it.

You should try and catch some tapes of Jofre. He;s pretty amazing.




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