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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 05:25 pm:   

Goddamn, that love concert is cool, mike...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 07:59 am:   

Ain't it? :-) The exception to the rule that you can't resurrect these things 30 years later. Thought that young Swedish string quartet did a bang up job.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 08:45 am:   

It was all awesome. Good to see Arthur still has his chops.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 09:58 am:   

A couple pretty neat documents have arrived at dimeadozen recently, at least if you're into psych. One of them which I think Lucius might find interesting is a 1967 TV performance on DVD of Procol Harum (I think you asked me about a "Conquistador" version once, there's one here - just say the word) back when they were still a beat group. Also from Bilzen, Netherlands was a various artists DVD of the 1969 Bilzen Jazz Festival with Brian Auger, Blossom Toes, Bonzo Doo Dah Band, Soft Machine and about a half dozen others. Haven't watched this one yet, but I can't wait. Seeded and then pulled for insufficient information, was a DVD of Liebman's Lookout Farm from 1975, which I assume, once fixed, will be back. Just amazing stuff showing up these days...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:41 am:   

Word. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:48 am:   

You been to WOlfgang's Vault? This guy bought up Bill Graham's estate and found all these boxes of tapes -- apparently he taped every show at the Fillmore West. Right now they're doing a Terry Reid thing. It's mostly just music, no pictures, but very cool.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:57 am:   

Word heard. :-)

I've heard of it, but the runner of the site seems to have been embroiled in legal trouble over the way he operates the site, which has apparently resulted in a combined lawsuit by people like Santana, the Dead and the like over their contention that he uses the shows as a sort of incentive to buy other items at the site. I've also read that he plans to sell the shows (although I don't think I've ever seen this). I tend to prefer the dimeadozen policy, which allows artists to ban the sharing of their shows by writing to the site owners and puts a premium on sharing. I can't remember, but I think Wolfgang's vault provides MP3 copies of the shows rather than lossless files and I think when it comes to live shows you want the best possible quality you can get, since you're often working uphill where that's concerned anyway. I think there's a bit of crossover between the two sites in terms of a lot of shows as well, so even with the above said, I've never felt the need to go there.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:59 am:   

Yeah, well. Didn't know about that. But I don't have mp3 so it's neither here nor there for me.

Thanks...
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:06 am:   

I think I've got ya covered anyway. ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:07 am:   

Yup. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:09 am:   

A lot of live recordings sound like shit, so compressing them to MP3 doesn't have much effect.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:14 am:   

True, but if Wolfgang is pillaging Bill Graham's archives they're probably first gen soundboards. I wouldn't want to own anything so bad that MP3 compressing wouldn't make a difference. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:21 am:   

Back when I was into Dream Theater, I had a lot of really terrible sounding bootlegs. MP3 made no difference. But I barely ever listened to them. I think I just kept them for "completeness" which seems really silly to me now. Why bother to have a crappy recording that I never listen to? All it does is take up space that I can use for music I do listen to.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:36 am:   

Couldn't agree more. I let loose garbage audience recordings all the times. Never a need for coasters 'round these parts. That's another thing I like about dime, they require lengthy descriptions on quality that make it fairly easy to avoid the bad ones. And many of the bad ones are usually just some guy with a recorder in his coat pocket in the balcony, those are a waste of time. The problem is the really good audience shows are a work of art, often better than any comparable soundboard.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:40 am:   

On one recent visit I made to Wolfgang's Vault, he had a 1983 Echo and the Bunnymen show that I attended at the Channel club in Boston. Excellent sound quality, soundboard I'm guessing.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:44 am:   

They were pretty great live around the time? I haven't actually heard the band since that decade, but I managed to snap up a 1984 tape soundboard from Tokyo that looks real nice. I'll have to dig that out.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:01 pm:   

Lucius, did you want the full Bilzen 69 thing as well as the PH? I've still got it on the machine so it will be no problem.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:03 pm:   

Yeah, sure. Thanks a lot.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:11 pm:   

I've got a few other things aside. I found both my Jack Bruce & Friends shows, but one of them is from 1970 and the other from 1980. Assuming the sound quality is OK, it'll probably be the latter, the former was pretty murky despite the great line up. I did send you the Tony Williams/Lifetime live stuff from 1969 right?

(You can probably tell I'm gearing up for another burnfest :-))
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:21 pm:   

Yep. Got the Lifetime stuff. Jack Bruce is a fav of mine.

The Burning Man. :-)
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:27 pm:   

Me too. His playing on that Cream show I sent you is some of the most incredible basswork of all time. It's possibly unfair that he's as good a songwriter as he is a player. Maybe I should send you both.

The Burning Man reminds me of the South Park episode that torched jamband festivals. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:31 pm:   

Didn't see it. I only catch TV shows intermittently.
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Elizabeth Hand
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 05:08 pm:   

Hey, where was the Love concert? I'm coming in late (sorry! I was out of town!) and missed the URL reference in this string. Wolfgang's Vault?

My younger brother Patrick saw a version of the band performing with Arthur Lee in DC before Lee died and said it was fantastic. Pat was a very early adapter of the band -- when we were kids (11-12), he somehow got hold of my uncle's copy of the album (this was soon after it was released) and then turned me onto them. He was working on a film about the band and did a lot of interviews with surviving members/family members/friends/enemies/etc. before things eventually fell through.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 05:13 pm:   

I have a copy on DVD-rom of a concert in Europe that Mike made for me. It's great.

On another subject, have you and the others joined LJ yet?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 06:41 am:   

Anybody know anything about animal collective?
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jk
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:12 am:   

Kinda weird, kinda experimental pop. They use loops and stuff and layer strange vocal parts, not really regular songs, but weird psychedelic electro pop. Some of it is pretty out-there, some is kind of twee. I have an ep they did with Vashti Bunyan, and used to have their last album. Didn't like it enough to keep it. Not sure if it would be your cup of tea, at least the Vashti Bunyan ep. I love her album from 1970, but some people find her unbearably twee. Think a female Nick Drake that's not as dark.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:18 am:   

Yeah, thanks...I was kind of waffling on it. I tend to like darker stuff, A friend recommended Feels and used a Marc Bolan comparison, Beard of Stars, which kind of put me off. I wish I could find more stuff like Scutze and early...oh fuck, what's the name of that band, they did a great tune called Bloody Tourist? Them, anyway.
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jk
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:20 am:   

Got an album called Love Cry Want. A pretty weird jazz album from 1972, with Larry Young, Joe Gallivan, and a guitarist called Nicholas who plays an early version of guitar synth. If that sounds like cheesy fusion, it ain't. Pretty crazy stuff. The guitarist gets all kind of crazy sounds and Gallivan plays moog as well as drums, with Young on organ. They whip up a pretty cool noise.
They played live across from the White House in 1972, and supposedly Nixon sent an aid to unplug them, fearing their music would "levitate the white house."
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jk
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:24 am:   

Shinjuku Thief. They've released some albums after Bloody Tourist, but they aren't in the same fourth-world rock-type mold. The latest stuff is more industrial, electronic, with some classical bits. Wish they'd release more stuff like Bloody Tourist.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:25 am:   

:-)

I love Larry Young. I'll check it out.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 05:41 am:   

I found Tinariwen's 2004 album at a local shop for $14. I'm enjoying it so far.

Lucius, are you familiar with Tribe After Tribe or Three Fish? Tribe was a South African band that described themselves as "African Acid Rock." I've enjoyed their stuff. Three Fish was a side project by the singer/guitarist from Tribe, and it was with members of Pearl Jam. It was OK rock with some African influences, but not as good as Tribe.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 07:00 am:   

I liked Tribe After Tribe. Never heard Three Fish, mostly because I lived in Seattle at the time and pretty much everything connected with Pearl Jam gave me the hives, except for a couple songs off the Temple of the Dog album. But TAT were very good.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 07:23 am:   

I can undestand PJ giving hives, I've never cared for them. Three Fish was mildly interesting, mostly acoustic rock with some North African bits. Worth picking up at a used shop for $5, but not really worth putting effort into finding it.

I was surprised that TAT is still around, and working on a new album. I think it will be self released or on a minor label.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

I did not not know that about TAT. I'll keep an eye peeled.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 08:22 am:   

Love Cry Want is incredible, well worth picking up. Not that far off from the original Lifetime, but even crazier with electronics. The White House story is great.

If Liz or any other list regulars want the Love DVD, you can probably find my e-mail no problem by searching on my name and gnosis. Supplies limited to time, patience, cooperation, etc etc.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 01:20 pm:   

Got Tinariwen's new one, Water of Life, and so far I'm liking it, but not as much as the first one.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 04:24 pm:   

I'll keep that in mind.

I'm pissed with myself today. I realized Giant Squid was playing in Pittsburgh last night and I completely forgot about it. It's so rare for a band that I like to play in Pittsburgh, and missing one of them is disappointing.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 06:21 am:   

Tonight is Gwen Stefani night on Idol. Gwen Stefani Night? Holy shit.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 06:47 am:   

Where did you see that? Does GS even have ten hits?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 07:13 am:   

It was on a TV ad for tonight's show. I don't think she has ten hits. That's why I said, Holy Shit!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 07:44 am:   

I checked AMG, and 8 songs cracked the top-20, and there were 3-4 more when she was in No Doubt. That makes a little more than 10 hits (along with 3 Grammy wins). I guess that makes her a little more popular as the first Idol winner (Kelly only has 2 Grammys).
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 07:46 am:   

Still, she's pretty low-rent for Idol, huh?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

Yeah. Having a guest who's only a little more popular than a former contestant doesn't seem like a great idea.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 08:22 am:   

:-)

Well, they've probably run through all the has beens.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 08:36 am:   

I think Stefani is the Wed. musical guest, but the song-picking them is the 90s, which gives them a lot more leeway.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 08:44 am:   

She's coaching them tonight.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 06:16 pm:   

Worst night of Idol so far? Normally I enjoy Blake, Sligh, LaKisha, and Melinda. Sligh was bad. The less said about Sanjaya's hair, the better.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 06:25 pm:   

I guess Gwen didn't help 'em. Not on here yet.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 05:57 am:   

Sligh was pretty bad==he may be gone. Sanjaya was hideous, his hair was hideous, his gestalt was hideous.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

But on the positive tip, Lucius, your girl Gina Glocksen stepped up big time.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 07:36 am:   

He may go, but I've given up trying to predict who will go. The voting doesn't make much sense to me.

I wonder how the musical reality show would be different if instead of voting for your favorite, you vote for the worst contestant and the person who gets the most votes gets booted.w
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 07:43 am:   

I was pretty bored by Gina this week.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 08:10 am:   

Yeah, Gina was okay, but I think they now want to give it to Jordan.

I think vote for the worst thing has seized on Sanjaya. He may be there for a few more weeks.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 08:19 am:   

Well, the "how bad can he get?" question is sort of intriguing...Defamer.com is reporting that Stefani tried to dissuade him from doing a No Doubt song and even went to the producer to try to avert the trainwreck.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 08:32 am:   

Yeah, well...she was spot on, wasn't she?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 07:14 pm:   

Even more disturbing than Sanjaya's hair is Ryan wearing a wig to imitate it. Bye bye Sligh.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 07:19 pm:   

I figured. Wow. Too bad. And Sanjaya lives. Amazing.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 09:12 pm:   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLQRv0RjBBM&eurl=

this is for the music lovers in us: it's kermit the frog doing a cover of nine inch nails' 'hurt'. very very sad in places :-)
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PM
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 09:15 pm:   

Seem to recall Johnny Cash covering this one as well.
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ben peek
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 09:17 pm:   

yeah. the cover is pretty much johnny cash's version, which is actually quite decent.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 09:25 pm:   

That's hilarious. I actually like it better than reznor's version. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:27 am:   

i still prefer the johnny cash version, myself, but it's a close run.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:34 am:   

JC was a better singer, by a hair :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:32 am:   

But at least Kermit never performed in Branson.

The only really pertinent Idol question now, is how many pranksters are there out there willing to sabotage the show and when will they be overwhelmed by "real" voters? The best thing about AI is watching the judges squirm after each Sanjaya performance. If he makes it to the finale, now, THAT will be some quality TV.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:46 am:   

No shit.

It'll be the end of the show.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:12 am:   

I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. Sanjaya, with a purple afro, eyes dripping with tears, taking center stage to be lauded by Clive Davis, belting out the latest factory-made Idol tearjerking insta-single, as balloons rain down and a gospel choir magically appears from the wings.

Shit, I'm going to vote for the guy now.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:15 am:   

Yeah, I was thinking about Sanjaya and Clive. I bet Clove's not looking forward to that.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:24 am:   

Has anyone read the book HIT MEN? I understand it goes into quite a bit of detail about Clive swindling artists over the years. Sanjaya could be karmic revenge.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:55 pm:   

I got to listen to a few songs by Sun City Girls (from Torch of the Mystics). They sound good, and they remind me a lot of Secret Chiefs 3 (basically Mr. Bungle without Mike Patton). They also had the same type of "world music" blended with rock, surf, and weirdness. SC3 also added some spaghetti western film scores to their sound. I can see some of where SC3 got ideas from.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:16 pm:   

Cool. They do some nice stuff with field recordings, too.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   

I'm just listening to Grinderman and it's seriously interesting. There are some classic lyrics here. Musically, I'm not sure how to take it. First impressions are that it's fantastic, but maybe that's over-enthusiasm on my part. The Cramps influence seems really strong, much stronger than I thought it 'd be. The lyrics are priceless. There's a song called "Man on the Moon" which is possibly one of the saddest songs ever written. I'd like to know what others think. It's music that needs some mutual understanding.

I also got a CD of a band, now fairly well established, called LCD Soundsystem which is fundamentally good. It's a post-punk funk extravaganza called Sound of Silver. I saw them live a year or two ago and they were exceptional, but it seems like they've gone a step further now. Really good stuff if you like dancy overtones with a purpose.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 05:20 pm:   

Sorry, that song's called "Man in the Moon", not "on".
That was the beer interfering,. But, you know, music is nice with beer :-)
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david h
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 05:31 pm:   

Yeah...I'm not sure what to think of Grinderman either, Alistair. I feel a little bit like Cave and the band are just slumming it. The songs I've heard sound a little too tossed off for me, like good musicians who couldn't bothered trying to hard. I think I need to hear it on the stereo though and not laptop speakers before I come down one way or the other.

Recently, in anticiaption of their new album, I've been listening to The National's last album, Alligator. It's a tough act to follow for Grinderman. I can't recommend The National highly enough.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 06:08 pm:   

The National sounds interesting, David. Will check it out.

I agree with your take on Grinderman, about slumming it. Definitely.

I'll offer another angle, though:

It sounds to me like they'ýre too much in mutual respect of each other for any one person to take the lead (Cave especailly) and take it too the outermost limits it should be going. In the end, many of the songs sound like songs that could have been but never were. There's too much humility (God bless em), but in this album we want too see each of them giving it their absolute bllood and guts.

For me, the first two songs and then about two or three others do do this. But I sort of get the impression that Nick Cave is unwilling to steal the show on this album, and that the others, likewise, are unwilling to steal the show too.

But we want them to steal the show!

In saying this, I think the first two songs justify the whole endeavour. And then the Man in the Moon, and perhaps one or two others. And then perhaps anpother one or two after that..!
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david h
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 07:15 pm:   

Couldn't agree more about the blood and guts factor.

I do think there's another factor at work too, and this is a pet peve of mine... If you want to make a sleezy garage record, do that, but don't go into RAK studios and make good equipment sound shitty. These guys aren't sleezy, they're just taking a break from the Bad Seeds.

Let me know what you think of The National if you check them out.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 08:10 pm:   

Wynton is in some regards an easy target.

If you have a chance/inclination to read the April issue of Jazz it has to be one of the most unintentionally funny articles I've read in a while.

The cover boldly declares:

POLITICS, RAP & RACE
"I was speaking out about it long before Bill Cosby"

The Pillsbury Doughboy is mad as hell...now I don't intend that with any negative racial overtones...it's just that both are rather non-threatening in their appearance.

There's an excerpt at:

http://jazztimes.com/columns_and_features/table_of_contents/article_excerpts/ind ex.cfm?article_id=17863
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david h
Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 11:18 am:   

The new National album, Boxer, (which isn't due to be released until May) leaked last night. Anyone interested can do a Google Blog search for "The National" and "Boxer"...you'll find it.

It's superb.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 04:30 pm:   

Anybody hear Jarvis ocker...
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 04:31 pm:   

Jarvis COCKER?
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david h
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:42 pm:   

Yeah, it was playing in a cafe that I was in last night. It's okay. Didn't seem quite as sharp as Pulp though. I'd listen to it again though...hopefully more closely and without the cafe-noise.

Have you heard it yet?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:44 pm:   

Naw, I heard one song, thought it was pretty cool.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 03:48 am:   

i don't know what it is about these youtube mashes, but this, i think, is the finest bit of star trek ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uxTpyCdriY

it's mixed with a nine inch nails song, closer.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:13 am:   

Very nice, Ditmar winner chicken dinnner...
:-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:41 am:   

Speaking of Jarvis Cocker, I watched a doc the other day called MADE IN SHEFFIELD, figuring that if I was ever going to see anything about the Comsat Angels (my favorite band of all time), it would be in a doc specifically about post-punk in Sheffield, England. It was very poor, obsessing over the Human League and ABC, and devoting a grand total of :03 to the Angels, who were pretty well regarded at the time and had indy chart hits. Hey, at least they acknowledged they existed!
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:52 am:   

I liked the Angels too, though I only heard a couple of albums...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:11 am:   

If you heard "Sleep No More" and "Fiction", that should suffice. It constitutes their creative peak. I was lucky enough to see one of their few US shows back in 1981. Quite excellent.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:23 am:   

eMusic has a free download from Jarvis today:
http://www.emusic.com/dailydownloads/toolbar/main.html

I know it won't matter to Lucius, but it will give me a chance to check him out when I get home.
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Huw
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:24 am:   

I remember Comsat Angels. John Peel used to play them quite a bit back when I was listening to his show (late'70s - early '80s). Man, there were loads of interesting bands around then. I dug out my old Stranglers records the other day and have been listening to them non-stop. They still sound brilliant (and gratifyingly un-PC). Some terrific basslines.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:25 am:   

Yep. Dave, those are the ones....
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 09:30 am:   

Huw, I wonder how a band that sings: Lemme Lemme/Fuck Ya Fuck Ya/Bring/On/The Nubiles!

would go down in today's environment.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 09:39 am:   

Well, I'd like 'em.

:-)
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Huw
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 02:29 pm:   

Somehow I don't think that one (or 'I Feel like a Wog', 'School Mam', 'Tits' and others) would go down too well with the PC crowd! Most of those songs seem to come from the No More Heroes album; not their best, despite a few great tracks. My favourite is still the third album, Black and White.

There's a ton of Stranglers footage up on Youtube, including a very early (and bad quality) rendition of Bring On the Nubiles. I read in Hugh Cornwell's autobiography (A Multitude of Sins), that that song was written with the express purpose of winding people up. I remember them getting up to all kinds of trouble back in their early days - there wasn't a week that went by that they weren't in the papers for something or other. They were certainly experts when it came to taking the piss - some of their miming on European shows like Top of the Pops and Rockpalast (if that's the name I'm thinking of) is really funny...
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 02:38 pm:   

Stranglers' drummer Jet Black was a karate black belt and the band was known as a particularly surly bunch that even scared the punks. They had a rep for ass kicking.
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Huw
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 02:59 pm:   

They sure did. The bass player (JJ Burnel) was the karate expert (6th dan now, so I hear), Jet Black was an ice cream man among other things! And the keyboard player looked the epitome of '70s prog rock with that moustache - he could've been in Spinal Tap! They were very much the odd men out of the music world back then.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 04:14 pm:   

Maybe Sanjaya is Jet Black's outside child...

;)
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 04:26 pm:   

i ain't won nothing and i never will :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 04:38 pm:   

Won't you be ashamed when you do? They'll be calling you Ditmar Ben...kind od like Crocodile Dundee, you know?
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 04:48 pm:   

ashamed might be too strong a word ;)

i'd rather keep myself out of it, but, i dunno, it's just become difficult to do that, especially if other people involved in the books want in. what can you do, huh?

anyhow, i been nominated, what, seven, eight times now? i'm pretty safe. you only win when the people at the cons dig you and most of those people don't.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 04:51 pm:   

Ditmar Ben...I like it!

Yeah, I know how it is. But they nmight vote for you just to piss you off. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 04:58 pm:   

seems like a waste of statue to me, but i'm not going to get worked up over it. 'sides, we both know that that won't happen :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   

Yeah, yeah...I don't know, man. I've won a bunch, and the only time I ever picked one up was when the publisher flew me and my kid to London.

This might be your year...you better start insulting people fast. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:23 pm:   

ain't i done enough this week?

;)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:34 pm:   

if you want to keep Ditmar-free, I'd amp it up. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:39 pm:   

maybe if i just start talking about them individually...
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:45 pm:   

That would do it, I think...or if there's some icon beloved of all Austrailia that you could take a dump on...
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:51 pm:   

not that would insult them all in one easy swipe, no. they're difficult like that.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:56 pm:   

Too bad. Some dead guy. Wasn't there a dead Ussie writer of scifi named George Something. You could say that the last con he attended, he attempted to violate you. That oughta do it.

Naw, you're doing a fine job as is :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:10 pm:   

Not being a Bennett fan, this night on Idol left me completely cold. The style of all the songs bored me, even Melinda couldn't keep me interested. Sanjaya made me think of every bad lounge singer performance I've seen in film.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:11 pm:   

yeah, george turner. he was alright, actually--had a nice political bent to his sf. from what i understand, he didn't have much time for the scene, either, but i could be wrong. he was before my time.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:16 pm:   

Sounds deadly, Robert.

Turner had enough time to attack my sorry ass in print. Complained about my use of profanity in fiction.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:28 pm:   

no shit, huh?

i suppose he's books never did have any profanity in it, but i never understood people bitching about that stuff. he could write, tho i don't remember any profanity there.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:32 pm:   

I hear he was an okay guy after our dust-up, but I let him have both barrels, I'm afraid.


So you could tread on his memory...:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:34 pm:   

It was some Aussie criticak journal--they asked me to respond.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:49 pm:   

nah, turner didn't exactly endear himself to anyone over here. i could say anything i wanted about him, and they wouldn't say much.

it was a cricket journal?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 06:54 pm:   

Critical...

Maybe it's the same difference.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   

no, critical journal sounds more reasonable. i can't imagine a bunch of cricketers getting upset over swearing.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:08 pm:   

Turner's claim was basically that no one cursed in WW2. He cLaimed no one talked like my soldiers...
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:16 pm:   

i'm guessing you disagreed?

i don't know enough about WW2 soldiers to say one way or another, but i find it difficult to imagine no one swearing. i've always found the politeness of the language in WW2 books, flicks, and so forth to be very... clean. which goes along with the social perception of the war: that it was the one that had to be fought, that it was right, you know?
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:44 pm:   

Well, they swore in Vietnam and I have it on good authority that they swore in WW2...
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:53 pm:   

on a purely fictional level, it's interesting to note how swearing is all part of the vietnam protrayal. i can't think of one i have read without it--but then that is generally considered the 'wrong' war to be fought. the portrayals are often about personal confusion and the horror of it.

or maybe i'm just talking outta my ass on this. who knows. i'm a bit fuzzy today.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:01 pm:   

sounds good to me. But then there was the Naked and the Dead, WW2, which used a fake cuss word for fuck...seemed to put the lie to no cussing, so I think it was more the publishing climate that dictated proper language...

Hell, I think they must have cussed in the Crimean war...
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:05 pm:   

Well how can one cuss or swear like a sailor if a sailor doesn't?
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:06 pm:   

i'm sure they did.

i got a copy of THE NAKED AND THE DEAD round here, actually. i should read it one day.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:18 pm:   

Yeah, it's sorta good. Most interesting war novel I've read was Meditations in Green.
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:25 pm:   

i'll have a look. i've not read much. a few things here and there, but nothing that lingers.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:34 pm:   

Steven Wright. It's brilliant.
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david h
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:39 pm:   

Alistair, if you're still out there, I got a pdf copy of the new issue of CMJ and there's a story on Grinderman in it. And it's followed by a story on LCD Soundsystem. I can email it to you (or anyone else) who is interested. Coincidentally, my band got an article in this issue too should anyone want to take a look.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:44 pm:   

And what is the name of your band?
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david h
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:45 pm:   

Ursula Points
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:50 pm:   

Recorded?
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david h
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:52 pm:   

You can listen to some tracks here: www.myspace.com/ursulapoints and the album is available at our website: www.ursulapoints.com
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 09:11 pm:   

Thanks, David...
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david h
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 09:17 pm:   

No problem. Let me know what you think.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 05:42 am:   

That'd be great, David. Send it to me at al_rennie2(at)yahoo.co.uk when you get the chance. Thanks.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 07:27 am:   

As to the sanitization of war, I liked the recent MONTE CASSINO book I read. I wanted to read about where my dad was in the war. We always joked about it, but the book painted a scene more nightmarish than I could have imagined. The author's name escapes me at the moment, but he portrayed all the ugliness of the conflict, right down to how soldiers had to shit under constant machine gun fire and the proclivities of certain North African regiments to help themselves to the local women wherever they went. Very ugly, very real and very vivid.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 07:28 am:   

Am I the only one surprised by how bad Tony Bennett sounded when he tried to sing on AI. Big story: Lakisha lays an egg!
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 07:41 am:   

David, that was cool--i really like that raw guitar sound. I wish you luck and lemme know if you play portland...
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 07:44 am:   

I missed it last night and turned it on to see Sanjaya. Robert had warned me off it, so I forgot on purpose, I guess. Anyway, when I saw Sanjaya, I turned it right off.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 08:20 am:   

Sanjaya gave his least soul-congealing of all his performances.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 08:34 am:   

Well, it still struck me as awful.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 08:44 am:   

That's a given.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 08:49 am:   

Being a bad lounge singer suits him better than being a bad rock singer.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 08:53 am:   

Yeah, I guess that'a true. How did Lakisha lay an egg.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 09:12 am:   

By her standards, her performance was, I thought, one of her worst. A handful of sour notes, although the judges chose to ignore them.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 09:16 am:   

Hmm. Well, if they ignored them, maybe it won't matter. Who were they tough on.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:13 am:   

Tough on Phil Stacey, Gina Glocksen, Haley Scarnato (Ryan: Simon, what do you have to say about Haley? Simon: Nice legs.). Loved Chris R. and Blake, spooged all over Melinda and Jordin. Have given up trying to criticize Sanjaya.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:31 am:   

Tough on Gina? What do they expect? She probably thought Tony Bennet was a designer label, which he sorta is.
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Huw
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 11:21 am:   

David H - I really liked that song of yours. It reminded me of late '80s/early '90s bands like Slowdive and My Bloody Valentine with that ethereal guitar and vocals.
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david h
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 03:42 pm:   

Thanks Lucius, I appreciate it. I'm not usre that we'll be to Portland any time soon though. However, The National are coming to Portland in late June and they absolutely kill live. I'll track down the info if you're interested.

Huw, thanks to you as well. And good ears: we all listened to our fair share of shoegaze stuff like MBV back in the day. They're definitely an influence on the band. Glad you liked it.

Alistair, I sent the email. Let me know if you get it, cool?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 03:53 pm:   

Yesh, let me now about the National...

Thanks.
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david h
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 05:13 pm:   

The National show:

28 JUN: BERBATIS PAN, PORTLAND, OR

This is the website for the venue: http://www.berbati.com/

Looks like tix are $13. I'd buy early...they have a habit of playing small places and selling them out.

Hope you enjoy it. I'm going to see them soon here in NYC with my brother...they're playing 5 nights in a row at the Bowery Ballroom here.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 05:25 pm:   

I love the bowery ballroom. I saw Johnny Dowd and the Mekons there.
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david h
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 07:21 pm:   

Wow. That must have been a cool show! It really is just a great venue...it's the perfect size, the sound is great. It's one of the only rooms in the city that I haven't played, but I'm working on it. I've seen tons of great shows there though.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 09:42 pm:   

Yeah, I often go with a friend who somehow gets us a reserved table up in the balcony -- great sightlines, too. I've seen about 8,9 show there and they were all good to great. That Dowd-Mekons show was incredible.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 05:12 am:   

It's a shame that Gina is gone while Sanjaya and Haley are still around. At least it was interesting how they broke up the 9 contestants into the top, middle, and bottom 3. Just by looking at the grouping, you could tell which group was which (best singers in the top 3, good singers and Sanjaya in the middle, least interesting in the bottom).
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 06:46 am:   

Ginaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Yeah,it sucks. I can't believe Haley and Phil are stll there.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 06:58 am:   

I saw the National five years ago at this little joint in Arlington called Galaxy Hut, in front of a crowd of about a dozen. At the time, I was writing for Punmaster's Music Wire and I did a really favorable, glowing review of them. Saw them about a year later at Brownie's in NY and was blown away with how much better they had gotten. I couldn't believe they were selling out something like five nights at the Bowery Ballroom now. But they deserve it. Real quality, even nowadays, sometimes still rises to the top. Blake the guitarist also has a side project called Clogs that is pretty wonderful, as well.

Gina was OK. Haley should have gone first.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:02 am:   

Well, we're gonna see 'em in June. Got my tickets.

Ginnnaaaaaaaa! :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

Kinda shocking in a good way that the National have gone, well, national. Enjoy, they are a terrific band.
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david h
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 08:16 am:   

Dave, yeah it kinda warms your heart, eh? A great band that pushes through and makes it based on talent...who'd have thought. They certainly did improve a lot though, but I think this is attributable to time spent on a small label that fostered them and didn't worry too much about the bottom line.

And, yeah, the Clogs are great too. Bryce and Padma both spit time between the two bands. I saw them play a great show with the Bell Orcheste (sp?) and I was amazed. Their classical training juxtaposed with the indie kids from the Arcade Fire who were in Bell Orcheste was sorta jaw dropping. They're real musicians.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 08:35 am:   

Whoops, did I say "Blake"? Yeah, it's Bryce Dessner. I've got American Idol on the brain!!! My bad!

Obviously, I haven't been keeping my ear to the grindstone lately, music-wise...
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david h
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 09:35 am:   

I knew what you meant. ;) But you should still get that checked out. American Idol Brain is a serious condition...

Besides, populism is for chumps.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 11:05 am:   

Yeah, but watching it while making rude noises is cheap fun... :-)
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david h
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   

It is, it is...

More and more though, I'm not able to have fun doing this sort of thing. I just get angry... The ship is sinking, but people are talking about Sanjaya's fucking hair rather than fixing the hull. We deserve better, don't we?

Blah. American Idol makes me think that humanity is endangered feces.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 12:46 pm:   

I may not get to the end of this idol myself.

Anyyway, tomorrow I get to do it in the theater...Grindhouse.
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david h
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 01:30 pm:   

Hmmm. Keep us posted on that one. I hope, for all our sakes, that the zombie half is good.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 01:32 pm:   

Thanks for the CMJ, david. Much obliged.

Speaking of Jet Black above, did any of you hear he was ill? There's a nice message from him on the Stranglers website if you scroll down a bit:

http://www.stranglers.net/news.html

Seems like he's doing ok now.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 01:36 pm:   

I will keep you posted, but I doubt the zombie/rodriguez half will be worthy...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:46 pm:   

Here's an album I just ordered from Forced Exposure:

"All twenty-two tracks by these Uruguayan legends, whose line-up includes members of Totem and Limonada, and features the compositional abilities of candombe legend Ruben Rada, and his alter-ego, poet/panhandler and acid casualty Eduardo Mateo. El Kinto began their brief but eventful life in music playing in the dark shadows at Orfeo Negro (Black Orpheus), a night club near the Portones de Carrasco in Montevideo, Uruguay. Inspired by the way the Tropicalistas like Os Mutantes were transforming the pop music of Brazil, El Kinto embraced their own native music forms -- but, as always, they went a step further: yes, they integrated candombe and bossa nova into beat music, but they also added their own notion of 'psicodelics.' They experimented with newness in all its variety -- new sounds from their guitars, new types of vocal delivery, new ways of striking the drums (with little brooms, with gavels or with the hands), all very uncommon in rock music. As one journalist noted in 1969, 'El Kinto, directed by the brilliant Mateo, and amplified to the maximum... creates a frenzy of rhythmic music in which -- with force and conviction -- pure wave beat is synthesized with the warmth of the African drums.' The result of the group's tireless experiments is music which sounds fresh and engaging today. In a world dominated by the commercialization of everything -- including (although it is difficult to comprehend) -- the arts, all we can say is, thank god for El Kinto! Special slip-case edition comes with an oversize 36-page full-blown booklet packed with photos, detailed band history, and lyrics for this most important of Uruguayan bands."
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 08:10 am:   

That sounds pretty interesting, I've only heard a few Uruguaian artists, mainly Armando Tirelli and Psiglo. Psiglo were an early 70s psych/prog group who didn't create anything that really blew me away, but they did produce one of South America's best drummers, who moved to Argentina to play with Crucis. Had he been born in the US or Europe he'd probably have been a huge session player on the jazz/jazz rock circuits.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

I've heard of these guys, and always wanted to hear them...now I can. I love Forced Exposure.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 09:00 am:   

Ya know, I've never ordered from them, which is surprising. I usually find a lot of the same sort of stuff through Wayside.

You like Trilok Gurtu at all?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 09:07 am:   

Sure. The drummer, right. He's great.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:02 am:   

Yeah. He played with an interesting Italian ensemble called Aktuala in the 70s that are something of a world music/acoustic group. I'll try and remember to send you some in a couple weeks when your package goes out (your PT too Robert) as they're deadly out of print at this point. Curious to see if you'll like it as I think of them in a sort of undefinable multi-ethnic category.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:37 am:   

Cool...thanks. He played with Cherry, didn't he?
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 11:27 am:   

I think so, he's played with so many artists over the years...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 05:55 pm:   

I got Bright Surroundings Dark Beginnings today (Sun City Girls). I'm reminded quite a bit of Anthony Curtis...he has that same sort of improv sounding Eastern guitar. I've only listened once but I like it. Quite different than the songs I heard on Torch of the Mystics.

Now I guess I'll pick up stuff as it gets reissued.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:03 pm:   

Be careful, because some of the stuff is not music.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:28 pm:   

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:45 pm:   

I learned that leson the hard way. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:47 pm:   

Any you advise avoiding?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 07:41 pm:   

I can't remember the titles it was so long ago...but I'll check..
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jk
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 11:30 am:   

There's one called Midnight Cowboys from Ipanema which I think has really bad cover versions of Rush songs and stuff. Seems to be one of those albums where they're "taking the piss." Or so I've heard.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 01:22 pm:   

330,003 Crossdressers Fron Beyond the Rig Veda is spoken word craziness
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 04:59 am:   

could someone tell me about Idol tonight? I've got to be out. Thanks.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 08:24 am:   

I'm getting bored with Idol, although with J-Lo coaching, perhaps she and Sanjaya can turn it into a complete disaster.

I got done listening to Chingon, which is Robert Rodriguez fronting Del Castillo. It's fairly good Latin rock, and I much prefer Rodriguez on guitar than behind a camera.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 08:41 am:   

J-lo. Wow. Sorry I'm going to miss it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

Are they going to do Latin music? They won't be able to pronounce it, the audience won't recognize it...Could be a disaster.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:17 pm:   

It was Latin music night on Idol, and it wasn't the train wreck I hoped it would be. However, it still wasn't good. Pronunciation wasn't too much of a problem except for Chris Richardson. The women (excepting Haley) gave adequate performances, but they were rather bland. Even Paula criticized LaKisha, but it was the complaint Simon had against most of the singers...he felt most of the singers need to do something more than they have been doing, that nobody was really progressing.

Haley was her usual crappy self, Phil sounded bad during some of his lines. Chris R was bland, but not bad. Blake was the best of the night, and the only good performance.

And Sanjaya...it was without a doubt his best performance so far. In Simon's words "It wasn't horrible." It wasn't good either, but not horrible is a huge step up for him.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 06:10 am:   

Sounds not too good. I hate boring/bad Latin music
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 07:39 am:   

Only reason for last night was to get Jennifer Lopez. Performances all mediocre. For first time, Sanjaya is better than a couple of people (Haley, Chris). Haley or Phil is gone this week, probably Phil as Haley looked smokin' hot.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 07:54 am:   

I hope they lose Phil -- I can't bear his egglike head.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 08:12 am:   

Either going would be fine. I think Dave is right, Haley gets some "hot chick" appeal (even if I don't find her that hot), so Phil will likely go home.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 08:16 am:   

Fingers crossed. Watch, it'll be lakisha. This Idol is unpredictable.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 08:27 am:   

LaKisha will stay, but those muffins hanging over the edge of her frock aren't doing her any favors.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 08:30 am:   

Let's face it, what frock does?

And yeah, Phil looks ridiculous.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 07:23 pm:   

Bottom 3: Phil, Haley, Chris. Sanjaya was at least marginally more popular than the other three. It looks like we'll get Mr Clean for one more week, since Haley went home. Phil will probably follow next week.

Next week sounds completely skippable: country music with coach Martina McBride. It sounds completely boring, and unless somebody really screws up, I don't think the exit will surprise.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 04:54 am:   

Yep, caught a bit of the show.

Bet Lakisha goes before Blake...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 05:43 am:   

There was a free download from eMusic for "No Pussy Blues" off Grinderman, so I listened again. I enjoyed it more this time. Maybe I just wasn't in the right mood for it when I first heard the CD.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 07:06 am:   

I think they all pretty much suck, but yeah I guess.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 08:33 am:   

Blake is the best of the guys, faint praise indeed. As the season progresses Jordin Sparks is looking like a smarter and smarter play.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 09:05 am:   

She's the hottest of the remaining women, for sure.
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david h
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 08:48 am:   

Don't buy the new Arcade Fire album - it fucking sucks. I've always been ambivalent about them: are they really that good, or are they full of shit. Now I know.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 09:11 am:   

When the ticket price is 85 bucks, best to assume it's shit.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 06:15 pm:   

i liked the new arcade fire album, myself. it makes me think of nasty churches that are lit by neon signs. go figure, huh?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 06:09 pm:   

Phil actually sounded good doing country. I was rather surprised by that. Will it be enough to save him this week? Jordin was even better, perhaps she can win this, although Melinda is still the person to beat.

Sanjaya was his usual wretched self (out of tune, bad timing, unconvincing stage presence and moves). But does it really matter? No matter how bad he was, he'll still be back next week.

LaKisha was her usual self...good, but I'd like to hear something different from her. All three judges thought the song choice was bad. I hate Chris as a country singer (I'm not that fond of him normally, but he sounds worse on this).

Blake remains the best of the guys.

Will Phil or Chris leave this week?
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 06:41 am:   

These guys were crippled by not knowing country music more than five years old. The songs Melinda and LaKisha did were God-awful, and Blake did a Ryan Adams song he attributed to Tim McGraw! Whatever happened to the days when singers knew something about music? If Bonnie Raitt was in the audience, we would be shut of Sanjaya, as she would have stomped a mudhole in his ass.

I am coming around to the opinion that only Jordin has the voice, youth and cuteness, er, I mean "star quality" to win.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 07:15 am:   

Wasn't Jordin's song from a previous Idol winner? I think they only sing songs older than 5 years on "oldies" nights.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 07:49 am:   

Oops, it was LaKisha who did a Carrie Underwood song.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 08:02 am:   

Yeah, and if you're gonna logroll, at least do a good song. That Underwood tune was rank.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 07:09 pm:   

Just when I gave up hope, it finally happened. Sanjaya is gone. Who will they pick in the Vote For the Worst campaign now?
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 07:22 am:   

Can you believe LaKisha finishing next to last?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 08:00 am:   

That was a shock. I also was surprised that both Phil and Chris had a stronger showing than Blake. Looking at the two groups of three, I wasn't sure who would be the top group - LaKisha, Sanjaya, and Blake vs. Jordin, Chris, and Phil. Jordin was really the only reason I thought that group might be the top.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:44 am:   

Jazz pianist Andrew Hill passed away at 4 AM this morning. RIP.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 03:51 pm:   

He was a great one.

I'm down for Idol tonight, first time in three weeks...
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ben peek
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 09:51 pm:   

hey, on the grinderman album mentioned a bit back. i heard it today a couple of times and i quite like it. i'm not a huge nick cave and tbe badseeds fan, and this has a rougher quality. cool stuff.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 10:33 pm:   

I like it too, but I think thats more a comment on the stuff from new bands thats out...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 05:05 am:   

I think I need to try Grinderman again. I think I always have a negative opinion when I listen to pre-release albums, but I can sometimes go back and enjoy them later.

I'm giving up on Idol. I realized I don't care who wins, none of them strike me as people I'd want to listen to outside of the show.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 06:22 am:   

Yeah, that was brutal last night.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 06:31 am:   

"Life Anthem Night" is like saying "Pure Crap Night". I'm just grateful John Lennon snuck in there instead of Josh Groban.

"You'll Never Walk Alone"? Jeez, that kid has some brass ones. Jordin will take it for sure.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 06:56 am:   

I thought Jordin should be tossed for song choice.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 07:12 am:   

Imagine was the low-light of the show for me. I've never liked that song.


Idol isn't all I'm disappointed by. I don't like the new album by Porcupine Tree. They kept all the catchy music for a side project, Blackfield, and that leaves this as a not-quite interesting prog rock album. Better than neoprog bands, but it's the least interesting PT album in 14 years.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 07:24 am:   

Hey, it's still a better song than that Garth Brooks one. What impresses me about Jordin is that she can do kiddie pop and still pull off very "old" material like Shirley Bassey and last night's song. I don't think Melinda would be credible trying to appeal to a young audience.

Hey, if you don't get tossed for "Conga," then all bets are off, song choice-wise.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 07:30 am:   

What was the highlight? :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 07:44 am:   

Simon walking through the African shanty village and moaning "Appalling!" :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 07:50 am:   

:-)

I must have missed that.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 08:48 am:   

Highlight? Was there one? If there was, it wasn't musical. Maybe Dave's right. Or perhaps Simon in the food bank commenting that he's never met actually good people before going there.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 08:55 am:   

Yeah, well, like I said, I was channel surfing through a lot of the show...Sounds like I missed all the good stuff.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 01:54 pm:   

On a more positive note, I got two more albums by When. The new one, "Trippy Happy" may be their best blending of collage and pop. It's just a good collection of weird psychedelic pop songs. The first of the collage albums, "Psychedelic Wunderbaum" is their weirdest. A lot of the songs seem completely off the deep end (in a good way).
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 03:12 pm:   

Sound like they're worth checking out. Lucius and Robert: I should finally be doing a mail run next week so keep an eye on your mailboxes. Fingers crossed.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 05:03 am:   

I didn't go cold turkey on Idol, I saw the last 5 minutes last night. That sucked, nobody went home. Seeing somebody go is the only reason to watch the Wednesday shows.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 06:39 am:   

Nobody went home? WTF?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 07:02 am:   

Since this week was the special charity episoded (2 hours), I guess they decided to be nice. Next week, they'll add the votes from both weeks, and send the bottom 2 home.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 07:53 am:   

The most treacledelic two hours of television in recent memory.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 09:16 am:   

Glad i missed it...real glad.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 10:33 am:   

Celine Dion singing if I can dream with a holographic image of a white-clad Elvis Presley as the white-clad Idols coo background vocals.

Absolutely priceless, and available on iTunes!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 11:06 am:   

What did Celine dream? Of being a greyhound in a past life?
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Bruce Chrumka
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 12:06 pm:   

An Afghan, actually.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 12:42 pm:   

yup.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 03:59 am:   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5in09EwYV0&eurl=

it's called 'die hard' and it's a song about the three die hard movies. um.

it's, like, totally brilliant :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 04:06 am:   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyw6cq86kY

wait! this one has a fourth verse about a new die hard film. haha.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 05:50 am:   

That's great Ben, now I can skip the fourth one. I'm sure we've seen the best bits already.

The prog rock fanboys I know like the new Porcupine Tree. I wonder if I'm just becoming a music snob...nah, no need to wonder, I am. Songwriting hasn't been a big consideration for many prog fans, so I can see how they wouldn't be bothered by a decline in quality of writing.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 06:35 am:   

That's very cool, Ben. How do you did this shit up?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 08:30 am:   

I just read that Carrie underwood did a Pretenders song on the show. Yuck.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 09:28 am:   

And she's banging Tony Romo!

Look for a real milestone show this week, JBJ mentors the Idols in The Songs of Bon Jovi!!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 09:31 am:   

Double Yuck. It oughta be funny, though.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 11:00 am:   

Bon Jovi night, cool! I may actually give Idol another week.

One of those books on misheard song lyrics had what would have been the best Bon Jovi song, sung to the tune of "Bad Medicine": Thoreau is like Ralph Emerson, Ralph Emerson is what I read.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 11:10 am:   

:-)
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 02:03 am:   

some of this i find off blogs. the die hard song, for example, came off a blog for the guy who wrote CATWOMAN, actually. never saw the film, but the blog has its moments. i've got a nice trawling feed through the web with bloglines and the livejournal feeds, so that helps.

sometimes, though, i just type words into youtube and google. that's how i found the star trek/nine inch nails mash.
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 02:05 am:   

oh, and yeah, DIE HARD 4 looks really missable. no black sidekick? you know it's going to tank :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 05:49 am:   

Catwoman was truly horrid. I'm not sure, but I think it was the lowest rated movie of all time on Rotten Tomatoes.

Your you-tube method is how I find music. But you actualllty typed in Diehard?

Whats DH without a "bleck?"
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ben peek
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 06:38 am:   

nah, die hard is from a blog. it would never have occured for me to look for it :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 06:46 am:   

Whew. Had me worried.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 06:41 pm:   

I loved Bon Jovi in grade school. I have trouble listening to the band now, largely due to the cheesy synths that permeate all the songs...all except Blaze of Glory. I've always liked that song, and I still like it (it's the only BJ song that I own a copy of).

I wasn't thrilled to hear that Phil would be singing Blaze of Glory, but he actually did a good job with it. He should have gotten more into character by wearing a cowboy hat (if only to cover his head).

Jordin should have known that singing an 80s song doesn't require big 80s hair. She didn't seem comfortable doing the song. LaKisha picked the right song for her voice, and continued to give the same performance she's been giving since the start.

Blake was the highlight for me, simply because he was the only one who did something interesting. His "remix" of You Give Love a Bad Name was unique, and I liked it more than the original.

Chris felt like a boy-band singer doing a rock song. It's My Life would have been a better choice for him (that was written by Britney Spear's songwriter, so it seems more appropriate).

Melinda was good as usual. Unlike the other women, she seemed at home going outside her normal style. Jordin wasn't comfortable, and LaKisha hasn't gone outside her style.

I kind of missed Sanjaya tonight. I wonder what song he would butcher and what bad hair style he would have. As terrible as he is, he added some entertainment to the show.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 06:58 pm:   

I sorta like BoG, myself, even though it's changes and lyrics are obvious. I would have liked to hear Sanjaya sing it...:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 09:16 pm:   

Chris is toast. And the other slot's up for grabs.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 05:43 am:   

I've got no clue who the next to leave will be. Chris seems like an obvious choice. I'd like to ditch Phil as well, but I don't know. I think the only person who's safe is Melinda.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 05:57 am:   

I agree--it could be Jordin just as easily, or Blake. But Chris is gone...
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 06:58 am:   

If voters take all performances into account, Jordin is safe. On the strength of last night's, with the fright wig and the clown paint, she is a goner. Clearly the worst.

I think Ryan was subliminally telling viewers it's time to ditch Chris by calling him "Justin Timberlake." His rendition was competent but ordinary.

Melinda and Phil were both pretty good, actually. I thought LaKisha and Blake actually improved the songs they did. They were tops. I really can't believe Blake pulled off that long shot, but pull it off he did.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

Yeah, Jordin may be outa here. I had a hunch along those lines while watching.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 07:32 am:   

whatever happens to Blake, hes got himself a career.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 08:21 am:   

...as a drum machine?? :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 09:09 am:   

No, he's just done well and showed he's creative, which is ultimately more important than being a great singer.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 07:18 pm:   

Bon Jovi's own performance was dull, I'd take any of the performances from last night over it.

The results were good, Chris and Phil are gone, Blake is the last man standing. But can he compete with Melinda and Jordin?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 07:28 pm:   

Yeah, the results were good.

Betcha Blake makes it to the final 2.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 04:02 am:   

I saw a really good band a couple of weeks ago called Thee More Shallows, sort of a cross between God Speed You Black Emperor and Grandaddy. Any of you familiar with them? I don't have any stuff on CD or anything and wondered how they sounded when they aren't live. Anyone have anything by them?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 05:16 am:   

I've heard the name, but I haven't heard the music. Depending on how they combine GYBE and Grandaddy it could be good or terrible.

I was semi-fond of Hope of the States, who initially worked GYBE into catchy rock songs with terrible vocals, but their second album kept vocals and ditched the good music.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 08:42 am:   

Any Dismemberment Plan fans here? Reaping the benefits of a couple recently posted dime DVDs, one a two-cam audience shot from June 2003. Incredible indie/pop rock with a great rhythm section.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

Live, Thee More Shallows were great but it was difficult to gauge how well the vocal parts worked or were integrated into the overall songs. The vocal parts reminded me much of Granddady and seemed to work reasonably well. But then the songs would vere into these marvellous instrumental expanses of sound which were very much in the manner of GSYBE. I would recommend giving them a try, Robert. Dare I say it that there were some repetitive riffs and build ups that had a touch of Isis about them but tending firmly towards a post-rock vibe.
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Alistair Rennie
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 08:55 am:   

Never heard them, Mike. Nice name though.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 09:14 am:   

I haven't heard Dismemberment Plan, but everything I've heard about them lead me to think they were emo.

I've been listening to the new Book of Knots. One of Carla Kihlstedt's many projects. This one brings to mind what I think of with the term "industrial." Not the genre of music, but bringing to mind factories, both active and decaying. It's got a great mood, but few of the songs grab me (except for the ones Carla sings on, or Tom Wait's guest spot).
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 09:38 am:   

They might have a slight crossover with emo, but I usually associate that with a band having a whiny vocalist and while this guy does falsetto at times, for the most part I think he's a good straightforward singer. Musically they've got some progressive aspirations at times as well, a little King Crimson in spots, although they never sacrifice their pop hooks in favor of that sort of direction. At times they remind me of OLD INXS (albums 3-5 say), but they don't have any of that band's weaknesses.

Neat to hear about the Book of Knots, I've really been digging that latest Tin Hat CD we talked about upthread. Looks like the new Sleepytime Gorilla Museum is out soon too.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 07:36 am:   

Bee Gees night on Idol...did anyone watch? I had no interest in it.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

I watched. It was uniformly horrid. Lakisha or Blake is going, I think.
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Dave G.
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 02:44 pm:   

American Idol 2007...Jordin Sparks. She has the look and appeal of Jennifer "The One That Got Away" Hudson.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 02:47 pm:   

In other words...none.


How many Jennifer Hudson records do you own?
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:59 pm:   

Lakisha...she gone.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 06:40 am:   

I'm not surprised. She seemed like the weak link out of the final 4. Now it's going to be hard to figure out who goes next, although Blake is my guess.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 06:41 am:   

I sleep with her Entertainment Weekly Oscar cover under my pillow...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 07:02 am:   

But how many CDs...?

Yeah,Blake's bye-bye. Though actually, he might have a bigger future than any of them.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 07:56 am:   

I am not sure J-Hud has any CDs. At any rate, I don't own any of them...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:00 am:   

Would you buy them? I think not. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:08 am:   

Let me just intersect by saying that I am streaming my old college station (WZBC, Newton, MA) and they are playing Clogs at 11 AM. Awesome.

Lucius, I would give my last farthing to support the career of my beautiful Jennifer Hudson.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:31 am:   

You don't have any farthings. :P
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 09:19 am:   

I have a coffee can of farthings buried in my backyard. And they're all J-Hud's.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 06:21 am:   

Mike: I got the CDs last night. Thanks.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 08:25 am:   

Cool Robert, glad they arrived.

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