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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 09:35 pm:   

New thread.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:19 am:   

No foot on Lost. It may have been the worst episode so far...it was a backstory for the two new survivors, Nikki & Paulo. They flashed back to the crash and basically inserted them into the previously filmed crash scenes. Then they had them appear at key moments, they found the Nigerian plane and the Pearl station before anyone else, they got to hear Ben & Juliet talk about Jack. Then they finally died (spider bites to paralyze them so everyone thought they were dead, then buried alive). The only point of having them in the show was to expose Sawyer's and Charlie's secret about attacking Sun so they could steal the guns. They could have made that come about in another way without wasting a whole episode on two characters who are only there for filler (like the flashbacks aren't enough filler).

Whenever they do something interesting (like the foot, or having Locke's dad on the island, or Desmond's flashback), I get tempted to think the show might be on the right track. But they always do something stupid like this that makes me think I should quit watching.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:25 am:   

you should give up, robert. i gave up in season one. each time i see you guys posting, i think, 'fuck yeah, i made the right choice.' :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:37 am:   

I'm telling you, Robert, there's a great sense of liberation that comes with quitting...
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:33 am:   

How can a plane crash have "new survivors"? How the hell many people walked away from this crash anyway?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:44 am:   

To quote Carl Sagan, billions and billions...

As many as they need.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:44 am:   

I'm not gonna tell. You're just gonna have to keep watching and watching and watching...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:47 am:   

There were 42 original survivors (and 23 tail section survivors), so they just retroactively said that these two new people were among those survivors.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:09 am:   

The number 23!!!!! AAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

Told you I wasn't gonna tell.

Now look what's happened :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:16 am:   

Oh shit. The Illuminati...et tu Lost?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:31 am:   

23 has always been on Lost, as part of Hurley's numbers. And yes, they did pick 23 because of Illuminati (and 42 was from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy). I don't remember where the other numbers came from.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:58 am:   

Boy, am I glad I don't watch TV anymore (though my girl friend is a "Re-Genesis" addict, and I have to hear the wisecracks of that).
Italian western farces are more fun...
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 08:00 am:   

Well all this Illuminati talk has me wondering if I'm gonna have to call in the John Birch Society :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 08:22 am:   

JD, even Keoma? ;)
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Lisa Goldstein
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 09:33 am:   

I just know I'm going to get whacked for this, and maybe wipe out any credibility I had left, but I liked the episode. It was a pure pulp story -- beautiful jewel thieves, spiders, paralysis, evil getting its comeuppance ... Yeah, it didn't advance the main plot, but it was a fun story in its own right.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 10:26 am:   

Lucius, I don't think Keoma is a farce. As for the Tresette movie I just watched today... well.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 10:29 am:   

Nothing advances the plot, Lisa.

I'm just kidding, JD. That song was tough for me.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 02:48 pm:   

I just saw the best episode of 24 ever. It just happened to be the new South Park.
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david h
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 03:25 pm:   

>>Nothing advances the plot, Lisa.

Bite your tounge Lucius! The plot *was* advanced: as Robert pointed out, Charlie revealed his dark side to Sun, *and* the Losties found a walkie talkie that operates on the Others' frequency.

On the LOST metric, this is a giant leap forward in plotting.

And the trend will likely continue too: I hear talk that, in an upcoming episode, Sawyer will cut himself while clipping his toenails, thus leading to an infection and his inevitable death in the 28th season.

I tell you, if you want to enjoy TV, or life for that matter, you just need to learn to endlessly compromise your values. Then everything falls into place.

Let LOST in.
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Tim Pratt
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 03:33 pm:   

I agree with Lisa -- it was a fun episode, even though it didn't have anything to do with the main thrust of the show. It was basically an episode of Tales from the Crypt, with murder, theft, and pulpy revenge. With, um, Hurley instead of the Crypt Keeper.

It actually annoyed me less than most of the "main plot" episodes once I figured out what they were doing.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 04:06 pm:   

I think they had another continuity error...Paolo was in the Pearl listening to Ben & Juliet. Based on the video screen, it would need to be after the Nigerian plane fell onto the opening, but before Locke and Eko moved the plane.

I think the only relevant part of the episode was the line about the TV show Expose - there's a hidden villain who's not revealed until Season 4. Forshadowing?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 04:12 pm:   

I'd love to see the bible for this show. I bet half the pages are redacted. crossed out, or otherwise obscured.
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david h
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:06 pm:   

>>I think they had another continuity error

Nah, Ben said something about some Other or another having moved the plane and left the Pearl open. I think...

I wonder what the ten commandments of LOST are:

1. Thou shalt milk it for all it's worth
2. Thou shalt not covet answers or closure

Could be a fun game...
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:12 pm:   

i remember reading an interview with one of the writers in season one--drew goddard, i think. anyhow, he was saying that, basically, all the interesting things, such as the island, the mysteries, and all that, were being deliberately avoided by the powers that be because they didn't want answers, and didn't want to make it into a sf show. nothing would ever get resolved, he said. (which might even be a direct quote, who knows. it was a few years back.)
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Lisa Goldstein
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:33 pm:   

Yay, Tim! Thank you for standing up for truth and rightness.

And davidh -- "endlessly compromise your values"? Geez, thanks a bunch.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:46 pm:   

That makes some sense Dave. Although I still haven't heard a theory about Claire's mom that makes sense.

How about this commandment:

3. Thou shalt link as many characters as possible in back stories.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 05:46 pm:   

And thank __You__, Pollyana, for your optimism in the face of stuff like Ben's quote.
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david h
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:00 pm:   

Lisa, nothing personal.

That said, let me make an analogy: if you ordered a cohesive SF-ish novel about island castaways from Amazon.com, but found that you were instead delivered a pulp yarn about jewel thieves had been plotted by an autistic hamster, it would indeed take some sort of a compromise to both keep & read the delivery and reach a state of satisfaction.

Still, I'm not judging anyone. I keep watching the damn show, making me about as credible as said hamster. I'm beginning to think I need help. An intervention. Shock therapy. Something...I know what to do: the right thing is obvious...but I keep watching.

I should just put my TV on the curb, go cold turkey. Someone from the battered women's shelter down the street would snatch it up in moments and I'd have no option but to stop wathing. Everything.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:10 pm:   

Well some are better tasting than others.

At any rate one can at least understand why Lost continues to be on the air (the Lost viewers of course)...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:18 pm:   

You might call them, The Lost....
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:00 pm:   

Lost will just go on...and on...and on...until there's only one charcter left...

...the polar bear. Chillin' out in the hatch, smoking a cigar, listening to Brahms.

(This will ony make sense once they get to the polar bear's backstory, somewhere around season 28.)
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:15 pm:   

Undoubtedly it will be the Coke polar bear...
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 07:42 pm:   

Of course! The numbers reveal the secret ingredients of Coca-cola. Mystery solved. Now there's no reason for anyone to ever watch another episide...

Shall we move the discussion on to films?

Watched Requiem last night. Brilliant, and absolutely heartbreaking. Sandra Huller was completely convincing; I'd put her performance right up there with Emily Watson's in Breaking the Waves, which Requiem put me in mind of.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 08:18 pm:   

Watched Machuca.

It's as good as Lucius said it was.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 08:42 pm:   

That's another one that's been on my list for a while, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Which is true of far too many movies. Rec noted, though.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 08:53 pm:   

I think that even Ellen will like this one :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 09:50 pm:   

Sandra Huller is a truly fine actress.

I watched The Page Turner, a Claude Chabrol-esque, Patricia Highsmith-y joint, a revenge thriller, directed by Denis Dercourt. The 10 year old daughter of a poor butcher, Melanie, blows her one chance at a scholarship when the judge, a concert pianist named Ariane, disrupts her audition to sign an autograph. Years later, Ariane prepares for a comeback after a mysterious accident leaves her suffering from stage fright. She needs a page turner for the stage, and her husband's oddly watchful teenage intern (Deborah Francois) presents herself. Using Chabrol's icy genre mechanics as a foundation, obscuring them beneath waves of Shostakovich and Brahms Dercourt, himself a classical musician, orchestrates Melanie's revenge note by chilling note, and Deborah Francois, brilliant as the teenage bride in the Dardenne Brothers Palm D'or winning L'Enfant, makes an incredibly effective victim/villainess. Another outstanding French suspenser.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 02:54 am:   

Huller is indeed a fine actress. Next time I watch the film I'll have to do so minus the subtitles; you always miss something having to read what everybody's saying rather than just watching them say it.

Chabrol and Highsmith? I'm sold - it's on the list. Meantime, La Noche des los Girasoles arrived in the post this morning, so I'm sorted for something to watch tonight.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 04:51 am:   

I'm still waiting for a flashback from Vincent (the dog).
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 06:02 am:   

Chabrol and Highsmith are the obvious influences, not actual partcipants in the film. But it's very good.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 06:28 am:   

Yeah, I got that. :-) But I like Chabrol's films (those I've seen) and Highsmith's books (most of which I've read), so as 'sort-of-in-the-spirit-of' comparisons, they push my buttons.

Incidentally, didn't Chabrol adapt one of Highsmith's novels? I'm pretty sure he did, but I can't think which one...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 06:59 am:   

La Ceremonie, I think. Whatever, La Ceromonie was terrific.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:13 am:   

La Ceremonie (agreed, really good film) was based on Ruth Rendell's A Judgement in Stone. Chabrol also adapted Nicholas Blake's The Beast Must Die, though I preferred the novel. The Highsmith adaptation - which I haven't seen - was called La Cri du Hibou, based on the novel The Cry of the Owl. Liked the book; might track down the movie.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:28 am:   

Right...Rendell. The Cry of the Owl's supposed to be sub-par Chabrol.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:39 am:   

Quality wise, he does have his ups and downs. Then again he's been making films for 50-60 years, so I suppose that's only to be expected. When he's good though, he's very good indeed.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:51 am:   

Oh, yeah. Better than Hitchcock, his predecessor.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:55 am:   

Now there's a bold statement!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:09 am:   

I think it's absolutely true. Hitchcock was seminal, but Chabrol built on his foundation.
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jk
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:11 am:   

I saw Cry of the Owl. It wasn't very good. Not a very interesting story, it was all kind of loose and vague. I was expecting too much maybe, from the source material and the director.
Looking forward to The Page Turner, that looks really good.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:24 am:   

Big fan of LA CEREMONIE. Very very creepy stuff.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:37 am:   

Hitchcock was seminal, but Chabrol built on his foundation.

Hmmm. Put like that, you may have something. To be honest I've only seen a fraction of Chabrol's films (8 or 9 I think) compared to practically everything by Hitchcock. Have to do something about that...

jk, so Cry of the Owl qualifies as 'sub-par Chabrol' (to borrow from Lucius)? That's a pity. There's a whole bunch of European films based on Highsmith's novels (and I think some of the short stories) I'd sort of like to see, because I am a fan of the books. Of the three recent(ish) Ripley films, the only one I rated was Ripley's Game, with John Malkovich in the lead role.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:52 am:   

Dave, I think you'd like The Page Turner.
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:14 am:   

Don't want to derail the conversation, but I have a question for you guys: do you know of any fairy tale movies that get it right? I watched SNOW WHITE: A TALE OF TERROR last night. It was pretty undercooked: the stuff with the minors was choppy and had no developmental flow to it. Sigorney Weaver chewed the scenery. I felt like it hit some of the notes right in a brothers Grimm/Bruno Bettleheim sort of way, but it was still a crappy movie. Any suggestions?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:28 am:   

Neil Jordan's thing, what was it, the Company of Wolves, is the best regular film I know. Cevgaske's stop=motion animation fairy tale, Blood Tea and Red Strings, is good. I don't know much about the subject, not being into fairy tales.
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:34 am:   

Cool. Thanks Lucius. I've seen (and really liked) Blood Tea, but not even heard of Company of Wolves. I'll have to check it out.

I've been into trying to find a good fairy tale movie since I re-read Bettleheim's "The Uses of Enchantment" recently. So far, no luck.

What about that recent Gilliam movie? Any good?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:43 am:   

Tideland? It's stretching things to call it a fairy tale. I've softened on it to a degree, but Jennifer Tilly and Bridges are over the top, and it's a repulsive item, although visually interesting and having some virtue.
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:45 am:   

Oops, just looked it up - it was on prior to Tideland. Actually called BROTHERS GRIMM. Heath Ledger and Monica Bellucci...

Looks to have been poorly reviewed.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:46 am:   

The Gilliam movie, Brothers Grimm, was crap. It failed as a Gilliam film and as a Hollywood film. There's nothing worth recommending there.

I can't think of any good fairy tale movies right now.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:46 am:   

Oh, yeah. Grimm was horrible. A mess.
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:51 am:   

Hmmm. Too bad. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:54 am:   

I'd agree with Company of Wolves, though it's based on Angela Carter's tales rather than traditional fairy tales. Only other film that I can think of is Cocteau's La Belle et la Bete.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:55 am:   

No problem. Company of Wolves might float your boat, though it waxes sentimental...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:56 am:   

Cocteau...well, that goes without saying. Should have remembered that one.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 12:14 pm:   

Snow White: Monica Keena
Bros. Grimm: Monica Belluci

There's at least SOMETHING to recommend there!
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 01:37 pm:   

Will look into La Belle et la Bete. Thanks Alan.

Also, Lucius, during the discussion of Pan's Labyrinth, wasn't there a similar movie that you rated highly...sort of fairy tale-ish if I remember right. I went back to find the original thread, but can't remember where it was...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 01:56 pm:   

The Spirit of the Beehive, dir by Victor Erice. It's a stone masterpiece, but it's not so much a fairy tale as it is the evocation of a child's viewpoint, very allusive in its fairy tale-ness.
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david h
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 03:30 pm:   

Allusive works. Encyclopedic as always. Thanks again Lucius.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 05:18 pm:   

Speaking of thanks, Lucius, watched Night of the Sunflowers tonight - a very fine film indeed, especially from a first time writer/director. This kind of non-linear approach needs a strong script, which Sunflowers had (not perfect, but very tight and consistent); it was really well paced too - didn't feel like a two hour movie - and the performances were excellent throughout. Definitely one I'll watch again. Pity the DVD extras didn't come with subtitles though, I would've liked to hear (well, read) what Sanchez-Cabezudo had to say about it. Anyway, cheers for the rec.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 05:27 pm:   

Glad you liked it.
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:01 pm:   

As Lucius has mentioned before and is staggeringly obvious, there's an unholy number of movies featuring kids.

While I enjoyed Tideland, if you watch only one film featuring brats see Machuca!
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Jay Todd Steneker
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:15 pm:   

there's also an amazing amount of films featuring kids that are set during a conflict or disaster, including a new hungarian film that looks quite good called How We Spent The End Of The World.

PM, have you seen the film Turtles Can Fly, if you liked Machuca you would probably like that as well.
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PM
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:20 pm:   

I'll have to watch it. If it has actual turtles in it I'll be even happier...well as long as it isn't turtle torture!
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jk
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 09:24 pm:   

I liked Ripley's Game too. My favorite Highsmith-based film is Purple Noon. Chabrol's Cry of the Owl wasn't anywhere near that good. I've seen quite a few Chabrol films, this was for me a lesser Chabrol.
Tideland huh? Boy, I really couldn't stand that movie. Repulsive is right. What is Gilliam thinking? When the director has a spot before the movie starts, saying that lots of people are going to hate it, I think that's cause for concern. And damn, that actor playing the retarded guy was grating on my last nerve.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:21 pm:   

Purple Noon was way cool.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:00 am:   

BBC America just announced Life on Mars for August. Hoping for either a repeat of S1 or a DVD beforehand.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:04 am:   

While we're on the subject of TV, nature shows usually give me hives, but has anyone seen the Discovery series Planet Earth? Pretty darn amazing.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:08 am:   

Good news, Mike.

Dave, No. will check it iout.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:13 am:   

I've been watching Planet Earth. It's got some really great film work.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:15 am:   

I've always had a thing against nature shows ever since my dad used to drag me to them as a kid, but these are really great. The show really takes you to the ends of the earth and shows you things you would never see in a million years. Literally, from mountaintops to the bottom of ocean trenches.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:18 am:   

when is it on?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:44 am:   

It's been on Sunday nights on Discover. I'm sure they'll be re-running it frequently.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:52 am:   

I think it repeats on Saturday afternoons, but yeah, they will be running it all over the place.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:57 am:   

Thanks, guys. After Florida wins The NCAA tonight, I'll have more time for regular TV... :-)
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Huw
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 09:06 am:   

I got the Planet Earth and Blue Planet DVDs for Christmas along with another, gigantic David Attenborough box set. They're great!
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 10:58 am:   

in the US, they've replaced Attenborough's narration with Sigourney Weaver.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 11:13 am:   

why? That's weird.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 12:49 pm:   

Weird? That's just plain wrong.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 01:14 pm:   

I think the feeling was that the brutality of nature, coupled with the gruff rasp of old Dick Attenborough would be...unpleasant for the American audience. Seeing the spectacle of cubs slaughtered by vicious wild predators might somehow be softened by the warm, maternal cadences of good old Ms. Ripley. Besides, Angela Lansbury was doing "Hollywood Squares."
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 01:14 pm:   

It's rather alien...
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 01:31 pm:   

Maternal, huh? "Get away from her you bitch!" You can't imagine ol' Dickie saying that. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 01:54 pm:   

you can, however, imagine him buggering a pup. :-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 02:06 pm:   

That's just sick, man. Shame on you, Lucius, shame on you. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 02:15 pm:   

Well, I try... ;)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 02:34 pm:   

Last night I watched a documentary about the Phelps clan - the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka; heard of 'em? A more loving, inclusive group of God-fearing Americans is frankly impossible to imagine. Anyway, I gotta say, they'd just love you. You'd be like all their Christmas' rolled into one. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 03:53 pm:   

I'll have to look into membership. Do they tithe or just slit your throat and take it all....
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 05:52 pm:   

They are the living, breathing exemplars of all that makes us ATBH. You may have had something else in mind when you coined that fine piece of terminology, but as far as I'm concerned, they're it.

They also have nothing whatsoever to do with movies, good or bad, so I'll say no more about them.

I will say Who Killed Bambi? Anyone seen it? It's a rather strange French psychological chiller staring Laurent Lucas. I really don't know what to make of it. It's worked some kind of weird spell on me, but I'm still hovering between 'yeah, ok, that worked' and 'huh?'
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 06:06 pm:   

I like Luarent Lucas -- will have a look.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 06:13 pm:   

He's kind of subtle, but yeah, good. Saw him in Lemming, which is why I gave WKB? a go.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 06:16 pm:   

He;s also good in Calvaire and in With A Friend Like Harry...
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 06:40 pm:   

...Harry's directed by the same guy who did Lemming, so I'll get around to it at some point. Calvaire - Gallic Gothic horror, so I really should have seen it, but haven't. Yet. But I did order The Page Turner, so I'm still flying the flag for France.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 06:47 pm:   

They do good work. They're especially good at cold, nasty-edged thrillers...and I love them for it. :-) Hope you enjoy the Page Turner.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 06:55 pm:   

Vive La France! :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 06:59 pm:   

and le difference!
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Jay Todd Steneker
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 11:45 pm:   

Watched Macbeth, an Australian film directed by Geoffrey Wright who made one of the best Australian films of the last 15 years, Romper Stomper.

But this is seroiusly bad, as you can tell by the title it's an update on the shakespeare play but done with ultra slick visuals ala Underworld, poor charterisation, flahy editing and weak acting all played out to an annoying rock soundtrack.

If you haven't seen Romper Stomper, do so It's the best thing Russel Crowe's done, or will do but avoid Macbeth like the plague.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 12:49 am:   

I saw a crime flick last night called Uomini si nasce poliziotti si muore (Born A Man, Die A Cop), starring Ray Lovelock. Basically this was a Starsky and Hutch ripoff. The difference here though is that the protagonists are completely immoral. So we have lots of blood, a bit of light sleaze, and superior motorcycle chases. A funny (?) aspect is that, subsequent to each brutal killing they commit, a really absurd summer-of-love-style hippy song comes in.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 05:20 am:   

Jay, you were going to tell us about recent Aussie films?

Is it worth pursuing, Brennan!
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:04 am:   

Nope, not worth pursuing unless you are really into low budget cop flicks like I am :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:38 am:   

Okay...thanks.
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Jay Todd Steneker
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 11:03 pm:   

well macbeth just came out on DVD so that's pretty recent.

Unfortunately the last few weeks at work have been chaotic and as I've come home I've preferred to watch things like comedies or sport.

All the chaos at work has ended though, so this week I plan to watch Ten Canoes, Suburban Nightmare and The Book Of Revelation, I'll report back once I've seen them.
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Lucius
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 05:03 am:   

Thanks, J...No pressure.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 05:21 am:   

Still no foot. Another largely filler episode, mostly seeming to be a set up for next week (another Juliet flashback, which may reveal a lot more about the Others). It was at it's best when it wasn't dealing with the flashback (another boring attempt to link characters, linking Kate to a woman from Sawyer's flashbacks). Instead, having the characters interact on the island was the most interesting part of it. It's a shame they spend so little time doing that.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 06:59 am:   

Is there going to be a Lost movie, you think? How're the ratings? I thinl we may have seen the last of the Foot.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:55 am:   

I liked last night's Lost episode, more than I have probably any ep since S2. But I'd love to see them do an ep without flashbacks (at least) once, although it was nice to see another actress from Deadwood on the show. Looking forward to watching the South Park as well, from what I could tell it was a Da Vinci Code parody. Can imagine Eco would have loved it.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 08:01 am:   

South Park was a DaVinci Code parody, and was pretty good.

I remember talk about a Lost film sometime during Season 2 (ending the show with a film instead of episodes), but I think that plan was killed. Ratings have dropped, but it's still doing well. Flashbacks are something I've complained about many times, having an episode without them would be great.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 08:11 am:   

Flashbacks is why I quit watching--there are other ways to reveal linkages and mysteries.
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Lisa Goldstein
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 09:03 am:   

I had a hard time with last night's Lost ep. Not a lot happened, there was no connection between the two main plots (Kate and Juliet, and Sawyer making nice to the other Losties), Hurley's ploy was staggeringly obvious, and it's been two weeks now since we've seen Locke's father. Also, when is someone going to just ask one of the Others what the hell is going on? Kate had a great opportunity with Juliet, and instead she went off into flashback-land. Also, Sawyer should not be used as comic relief.

There. I hope that gets rid of any idea that I'm a complete critical wimp when it comes to Lost.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 11:07 am:   

or perhaps this post was made in order to validate your fangirl posts.... :-)
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PM
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 11:34 am:   

"There. I hope that gets rid of any idea that I'm a complete critical wimp when it comes to Lost.
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Well, there's that hope that one day you'll become completely disillusioned...
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 12:47 pm:   

Do we have another Timothy Tredwell on our hands?
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/manamongwolves/index.html
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 01:08 pm:   

Being a freak for all things wolf related, this guy would be my idol - if I was, say, seven years old. I can't help feeling that any good he may or may not be doing is instantly negated by the fact you can download his Alpha Howl as a ringtone for your mobile.
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david h
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 01:33 pm:   

When it comes to last night's Lost, all I can say is this: Kate can hop over the Sonic Fence Of Death using a big stick, but the *flying* smoke monster couldn't get over it.

Thankfully, I can honestly say that I only caught glimpses of the episode: I was working while it was on. I felt really good about myself. Progress was made.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 01:33 pm:   

He doesn't sound as insane as tredwell, but it's possible.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 01:57 pm:   

Well in his bio it says his passion for wolves has already cost him his wife and kids, so that's kind of insane. Granted, he seems to be doing his bit as regards conservation, education, and so on, but it strikes me that living with wolves, 'becoming' a wolf, has more to do with some personal need, or drive, of his. We've had Grisly Man, so maybe Howling Man isn't too far off...
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Huw
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 02:09 pm:   

Grisly Man... is that a new movie about Jack the Ripper? ;-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 02:12 pm:   

Do we need a new movie about Jack the Ripper?
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 02:44 pm:   

Maybe if it's a good 'un.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 03:55 pm:   

But given the history of Ripper films, and the current film climate, I don't imagine we'll get a good one.

The wolf guy just gives me a Tredwell vibe, whenever somebody gets that into wild animals, I feel like it's a disaster brewing. Heck, you don't even need to have wild animals to be killed by animals.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 04:53 pm:   

True. But the film needn't be American, and that gives me hope.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 04:58 pm:   

The last thing Canis lupus needs is some lurid 'Wolf Lover Eaten by the Wolves He Loved!' story spashed across the tabloids.

There'll always be interest in J the R because of all the fog surrounding his identity. Somebody needs to build a time machine and go back to solve that mystery once and for all. Hey, there might just be a movie in that...:-)

Thought The Page Turner was top drawer. Perfectly understated, and all the better for it. (In lesser hands you'd've had a stupidly melodramatic finale, where every last detail was spelled out.) It makes an interesting companion piece to Haneke's The Piano Teacher.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 05:16 pm:   

Cool...Glad you liked it.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:03 pm:   

Time travel and Jack the Ripper...sounds like "Bridge Across Time" with David Hasselhof. Sounds dreadful.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:17 pm:   

Sounds more like Time After Time with Malcolm McDowell (as HG Wells) and Mary Steenburgen, which wasn't bad.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:20 pm:   

More than one movie with time travel and Jack...that's not a comforting thought. I think I got the two films confused.
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Lisa Goldstein
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:30 pm:   

If he's teaching wolves to howl he has the easiest job in the world. All you have to do is howl, and the wolf howls back. Nothing to it, really.

As for Lost -- yes, I'm just pretending to be an actual critic, and then when I've got you all convinced I'll bring in my _real_ agenda, All Lost, All The Time! Yay, big foot!
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 07:44 pm:   

I thought as much, Lisa. :-)

I didn't mind Time after time, but then I like McDowell and Steenbergen.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 09:26 pm:   

I see they got another badass-criminals-condemned-to-an-island movie...

called The Condemned.
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PM
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 09:37 pm:   

Bet it's not as good as Australia...:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 09:53 pm:   

The question is, is it as good as no escape...
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PM
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 03:22 am:   

We will see.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 07:08 am:   

I want to see a parody where some crazy nature guy goes and starts living in trees and gathering nuts: Squirrel Man!
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 07:28 am:   

Sounds to me like you've already seen it in your head. :-)
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 09:27 am:   

Yeah, I see lots of things up there. :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 09:55 am:   

Don't we all...
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david h
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:18 am:   

Lucius, I'm reading good things about Planet Terror over here. I need to hear from a voice that's cynical enough to trust though. When are you seeing Grindhouse?
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:39 am:   

This afternoon. Hey, maybe it's good.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 11:19 am:   

Good? Maybe. I have heard good things too, but don't we always with those two directors? I will probably see it also, but I am pretty sure it is nothing special. Why not just see a real 70's horror flick? I guess for the same reason most people would rather see Kill Bill than a film by Miike or countless other Asian directors.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 11:49 am:   

I heard Kurt Russell is awesome.
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PM
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 11:54 am:   

"I guess for the same reason most people would rather see Kill Bill than a film by Miike or countless other Asian directors."

Well it could also be because that's what is/was available to watch.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 01:37 pm:   

Huh? These days you can get hold of a huge variety of films. One watches what one chooses to watch. People watch these films because their adolescent team-mates label them 'cool' and because brainless violence with a retro feel is considered 'cool'. The really sad part is that the people Rodruigues nad Tarantino seek to emulate churned out such films in a matter of months, whereas it takes them years to manage to put one together. The charm of cheap B films is just that, they are cheap. Making fake cheap films is just crass. If these guys were churning out 4 or 5 films a year, on limited budgets this kind of thing might be cool. But that is just not the case.
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PM
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 01:52 pm:   

More folk would identify Miike as some sort of Starbucks beverage than as a filmmaker.

Yes, I agree that DVDs are out there if one knows where to look and what to look for.

Grindhouse isn't even playing here. But we got NORBIT!

I do think that a quite a few folk are completely unfamiliar with these films...and if by some miracle were actually able to watch them they might like them.

Having said that I know more than one whose seen 2001 and looked the other way.

But until one has experienced it and rejected it I can't fault 'em for it...
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 02:14 pm:   

Yeah, lots of potentially cool and interesting folks have simply not yet discovered places to tap into underground film/music/book knowledge! It's easier now than ever before, sure, but until a person has been turned on to the good stuff, he/she may not even know how in the dark he is!
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Huw
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 02:15 pm:   

Has anyone seen Sunshine, Danny Boyle's latest? It's just come out here and I'm hoping to see it soon. I liked 28 Days Later, so I have high hopes for this. Plus, the great Hiroyuki "Henry" (aka "Duke") Sanada, stalwart of countless Japanese films (Ring, Twilight Samurai, not to mention at least one with Sonny Chiba!) is also in it, albeit in a small role. He's good in anything, I've found.
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Huw
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 02:22 pm:   

Hey, I just noticed Michelle Yeoh's in it too. Now I'm definitely going to see it!
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 02:29 pm:   

Dave's right on this. And even if somebody is clued in on one thing doesn't mean they are in other areas. I started listening to obscure music in high school, but I didn't get clued in to non-mainstream movies until college, and I didn't know about good fiction until after college. In each case, it took finding one item that amazed me, and that inspired a search for other stuff that I was missing.
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Mike McLatchey
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 02:48 pm:   

It also takes quite a bit of money to start any sort of "underground" hobby. When I'm buying music I'm not buying books. With movies it might be a bit easier with Netflix and the like, but I bet some of the movies talked about around here may not be in their catalog. With music, I had to basically draw the line at getting into classical music, I figured it would make me end up completely penniless.
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PM
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 03:20 pm:   

Netflix has just about everything that's been released in region one. Or it certainly seems like it.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 03:47 pm:   

I don't know if I'd agree with the term 'underground' in this context, but I definitely agree a lot more people could use some widening of their horizons. I don't know what it is; maybe people just aren't curious enough. It's easy just to settle for what's placed in front of you, but then you get complacent and forget that there's a hell of a lot more out there if you'd bother to take a look around. Forget 'mainstream', 'underground', or whatever - is it any good or not, that should always be the question. If it ain't, go look for something else. It's all out there...
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 04:06 pm:   

Re Grindhouse: Planet Terror bites. The first half of Deathproof is very good, due to Russell, but the second half in buried Tarantinoisms (banal "clever" chatter, overuse of "nigga" and "motherfucka," etc.) More later.
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david h
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 04:18 pm:   

Planet Terror bites? Sigh....

Well, Diary of the Dead will be out soon. There's hope.

In the meantime, let's talk good zombie movies. Can anyone suggest some?
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 04:31 pm:   

I don't know about good or not, but I have a soft spot for Plague of the Zombies (1966). But then I was weaned on Hammer (& Amicus, etc.), so it's mostly nostalgia.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:11 pm:   

I like They Came Back, a french movie, though the zombies are not typical, not flesh-eating...thank, god.

28 Days Later had the benefit of Juan Fresnadillo, director of Intacto. I'm not hopeful about Sunshine, sounds too much like the Event Horizon--it's been pushed back to December here.

Brendan, I recalled the name of that Italian contempo noir film -- The Consequences of Love, directed by Paolo Sorrentino.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:28 pm:   

Pushed back to December? That normally happens if they think it's Oscar worthy. If the studios think it won't make money, they push it back to February or March.

My favorite zombie movie, after Romero's first three, was Cemetery Man. The symbolism and other art-film ideas made it a nice mix of pretension and low brow. Too much of either one would make it tedious.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:44 pm:   

An oscar for a scifi film? Bite your tongue. :-)

It's not the only reason they push stuff back. Sometimes they get a film they don't think will perform in April-July, and they slot it into Nov-Dec because there's not a plethora of genre material there and they're hoping to score big with the teenage audience who're usually not into the Oscar nominated films.

Cemetary Man is very cool.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:50 pm:   

They could be deluded about Oscar potential. :-) Or you're probably right that they didn't think it would work in April-July, so they found a decent date in December, something without much competition.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:51 pm:   

I don't think Juan Fresnadillo had anything to do with 28 Days Later. He did direct the upcoming sequel though, 28 Weeks Later (the trailer actually looks kind a cool).

I'm a big fan of a zombie film nobody around here but Marc Laidlaw likes -- the director's cut of the Dawn of the Dead remake.

For what it's worth, I enjoyed "Planet Terror" until the last 10 minutes, when the gore set pieces grew tiring and Rodriguez suddently tried, futiley, to make you care about his characters. Until then, I thought it was a good time -- redolent of 80s John Carpenter in its soundtrack and similar to last year's Slither in its over-the-top, small-town gore and comedy. Overall, I enjoyed the entire empty, stylistic fun of Grindhouse.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 06:56 pm:   

Just came across a positive review for Sunshine in the Guardian.

2050856%2C00.html,http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_F ilm_of_the_week/0,,2050856,00.html
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 07:35 pm:   

I liked night of the living dead, but every flesh-eating zombie flick since has sucked IMO.

I wish they'd do a real zombie flick, I mean a movie that really did it for Haitian zombies.

I found no reason to like terror. It was as if Rodriguez had been told about exploitation film and hadn't seen any. There were no real flashes of anger or anything such as characterized exploitation films. It was all just wink-wink, aren't we a couple of clever 15 yr olds, and the only human being in both flicks was a serial killer. But then, in an era of shitty movies, I guess it's only fitting that there's an homage to shit.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 08:24 pm:   

i saw 300 last night.

you know what would have been nice? a greek actor. or, baring that, the main actor without what appeared to be a scottish accent. and i could've done without the term 'asian horde', you know? in fact, the film really is quite racist, the more i think about it.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 08:47 pm:   

Why did you see 300? Never mind, now that you have, are you okay. Perhaps your illness was a foreshadowing of that.

Oh, yeah, racist and anti-gay and pro-gay and...well, basically it was just juvenile.
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PM
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 08:49 pm:   

"i could've done without the term 'asian horde'"

One supposes that the Monguls were on spring break...
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 09:14 pm:   

i've kinda been shut in for the week, and wanted to get out. a friend of mine wanted to see it, and i was a bit curious, so i went. surprising i feel a lot better today.

yeah, it was basically juvenile. perhaps if it had had a bit more of a camped up, knowing wink, it might have been okay, but it was so serious about freedom that it was a bit like getting a sermon from a teenager.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 09:59 pm:   

"...a teenager..."

You mean, little Frank?

I was at a comicon one time and heard him give the I wore a superman costume under my clothes in junior high speech...it was fucking hilarious.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:18 pm:   

"There were no real flashes of anger or anything such as characterized exploitation films."

No doubt. But Tarantino's film had this in spades, so I guess it compensated for the frivolity of Rodriguez's effort.

I really liked Jacques Tournour's I Walked With a Zombie, which is a darn creepy and realistic take, at least to these eyes, on the Haitan zombie.
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ben peek
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:49 pm:   

yeah, i've read that speech--certainly explains why he was beaten ;)

300 was one of the last comics of miller i read. it had some really amazing colour usage in it, and it's not nearly as preachy as the film, but overall it's pretty flat. the film added a whole plot with the queen--her whole character, in fact--and all the speeches about freedom, and the demonised persians, so in this case, i reckon it's not so much little frank as little zak.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:56 pm:   

Tarantino's seen those movies, so yeah. My problem with his half was that he abandoned Russelk halfway through and replaced him with three non-human mouthpieces for his banal chatter, so that Russell was actually sympathetic.

Well, yeah on the Tournour, but that was a million year ago -- I mean, something filmed with modern techno/
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Huw
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 03:38 am:   

I've always felt that The Serpent and the Rainbow could have been a good, relatively accurate voodoo/zombie movie, and perhaps it would have been, with a better director.
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Huw
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 04:03 am:   

Hey, is MarcL Marc Laidlaw, the writer? I had no idea, but Kelly's post above suggests it is. I read his story Tissue in a Ramsey Campbell anthology years ago and loved it.

I enjoyed the Dawn of the Dead remake, but I don't think anything has come close to matching the original Night of the Living Dead.

I must admit to a fondness for Amando de Ossorio's Blind Dead films. One of my earliest horror-related memories is of going out with my pocket money one fine Saturday morning and returning home with a copy of 'Monster Mag', a magazine which sported on its cover the blind Templars riding through the Portugese countryside (it came with a poster of a guy with an axe buried in his head, with blood and brains oozing everywhere - my mum was not impressed and sent me back to the shop to return it). Anyone else here like them?
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 06:08 am:   

Yep. Marc is the Laidlaw.

Serpent and the Rainbow had the makings of a good movie.

Never saw the Blind Dead.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 07:30 am:   

Huw: A few times I almost purchased the Blind Dead DVD box set, but ended up balking because these films didn't seem to be any more than a series of striking, violent set pieces; do they have actual stories?

Also, I think, and this may be blasphemous, that much of the power of Night of the Living Dead is lost on a younger generation -- my generation. I certainly think it's a good film, but when I first saw it as a teenager in the 90s, it didn't shock or particularly scare me, where it most certainly would have an audience in 1968.
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Huw
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 07:48 am:   

Kelly, they do have stories, but they aren't all that great, to be honest. I like them mainly for the creepy atmosphere; as soon as the Blind Dead appear the films take on an eerie ambience which works for me, despite the cheesiness of some of the acting and dialogue.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 08:30 am:   

"but when I first saw it as a teenager in the 90s, it didn't shock or particularly scare me, where it most certainly would have an audience in 1968."

Very few would have seen it in '68. Folk would have been more scared about issues of race, the draft, and nuclear war.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 09:18 am:   

I saw it at a drive in, on a foggy night, in 1968, and it was eerie. Kelly may be right about generational gap, but I still think the psuedo-documentary feel and style of Night was what made it effective. But hey, it was an exploitation flick and was made for $1.98. the remake of Dawn cost millions and wasn't all that much better than the original.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 09:33 am:   

Kelly may have had a different experience if he'd seen this film first before seeing other horror films.

That of course is usually impossible as we're not able to view films (initially) chronologically.

The end of Night was the most horrific. After all the black man had done his efforts were rewarded by being callously shot.
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PM
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 10:01 am:   

and there's more :-)

Back in '68 a lot of white folk didn't like black folk.

So assuming that one of these white folk actually watched the film to the end it would have been an entirely different horror experience. Much more upsetting than say Silence of the Lambs...

Black man as hero, saving the white woman, etc. And then at the end this sort of white folk would have sighed in relief as the black man got the bullet.

Viewpoints have changed and today's average young person is going to miss this altogether.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 10:24 am:   

"Back in '68 a lot of white folk didn't like black folk."

That's different today, huh? Bullshit.
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Kelly Christopher Shaw
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 01:18 pm:   

PM: Yeah, I had seen a lot of horror films before finally seeing Night of the Living Dead. Also, when I first saw it at the age of 14, I watched horror films mainly for their visceral effect and was oblivious to a film's social consciousness.
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Lucius
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 03:56 pm:   

Grindhouse review:

http://community.livejournal.com/theinferior4/
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PM
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 06:41 pm:   

Kelly, that would be the experience of most as we're not usually able to watch films chronologically.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 12:44 am:   

Good review Lucius....

I watched a Chinese film called "Battle of Wits" last night, with Andy Lau. Pretty good if you are into action films. One thing I appreciated is that there were no wire tricks. Though there were a few implausable things (invading army floating in on balloons), most of it was relatively realistic.
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 05:41 am:   

Thanks, Brendan.

Battle of wits sounds fun.

Did you get my post about the contemporary Italian noir I recommended -- The Consequences of Love? It's very good.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 07:23 am:   

No, I didn't see your post, but I have seen the film. It was actually filmed in the city I work in (Lugano).

It is sort of hard for me to judge it though, because I saw it right after I got off a trans-atlantic flight and was exhausted. So I fell asleep.

Maybe I should check it out again now that I am more awake!

Brendan
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Lucius
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 07:29 am:   

You live in a nice place.

Well, I thought it was really good. Nicely noirish.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 07:34 am:   

Yeah. Lakes, mountains, etc.

I'll check out the film again. Like I said, I watched it when I was super tired, so I cannot really even say I watched it maybe.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 05:14 am:   

The review of Grindhouse makes me think my expectations for it were right on. I'm glad I didn't go on Friday.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:03 am:   

Good call, IMO. Rent the DVD for some nice Russell moments.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:23 am:   

One of the good things about Easter for me is the chance to see Zefferelli's JESUS OF NAZARETH on television. I really enjoy this series: well written (Anthony Burgess), with a stellar cast including great actors of yesteryear (Christopher Plummer, Olivier, Peter Ustinov, Ralph Richardson), interesting newcomers (Ian MacShane, Ian Holm), and some underrated 70s film and TV guys getting a chance to play meaty roles (James Farentino, Tony LoBianco, Ernest Borgnine). And Robert Powell as the. Best. Jesus. Ever.

I thoroughly enjoy this program. I think it does a good job of being respectful without wallowing in dogma or fomenting trendy "controversy".

Other opinions?
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:39 am:   

As Jesus and his crew were Jews then any authentic portrayal would take this into account.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:39 am:   

Never saw it...and I got to say, having had that Catholic crap drilled into me since diapers, I don't particularly want to see it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:55 am:   

Got to admit, I'm a sucker for Jesus movies. Never saw LAST TEMPTATION, but it's on my list.

Everybody in the cast looks pretty Middle Eastern, but Zefferelli has the annoying habit of giving all his really holy personages (Powell, Michael York as John the Baptist) blue eyes. Whassup with that?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:59 am:   

I have an aversion to Jesus movies.

There were/are blue-eyed Semites. I learned that from Lawrence of Arabia.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 01:29 pm:   

Skip Last Temptation IMO, unless you have a hard time falling asleep at night.

For a good Jesus film, check out Pasolini's The Gospel According To Mathew.

Actually, it is the only Jesus film I like.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 01:37 pm:   

I like King of Kings for its comedic effect. James Agee called it I Was a Teenage Jesus. :-)
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Huw
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 01:49 pm:   

I prefer Life of Brian.
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Dave G.
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 01:51 pm:   

I have the St. Matthew film, but haven't watched it yet.

Life of Brian was pretty awesome.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 01:52 pm:   

Well, I wasn't thinking of Brian as a Jesus film. If the scope is that broad, then I guess I could include a few others.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 01:53 pm:   

Don't forget Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter. I'd watch that again before most Jesus movies. Although if they ever made some of the joke films from Orgasmo, I might consider Jesus Scissorhands.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 02:47 pm:   

How about limiting the category to films that mention Jesus is a favorable light?
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   

Jesus in a favorable light...Ben Hur was good, but Jesus is a marginal character in it.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   

I thougght Ben Hur was pretty awful. Have you seen it recently?
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 03:30 pm:   

Anyone know anything about a SW called Fedra West. Xploited has a rather miminal description of it.
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 04:04 pm:   

Jesus Christ Superstar???
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 04:57 pm:   

I haven't seen it in several years. It's not a great film, but I liked it. And compared to other Jesus films...I had no interest in Passion of the Christ, and the best thing on Last Temptation was the music.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 05:13 pm:   

Well, it was a cool chariot race, anyway.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 06:13 pm:   

i kinda thought BEN HUR sucked. i kept wondering what the big deal was--sure, the chariot race was cool, but overall...

guess some days those old films are never as good as people say.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 06:21 pm:   

Well, to my mind, it sucked back in the day. But whatever...your favorite Jesus flick?
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 06:37 pm:   

there's an episode of SOUTH PARK where santa is shot down over iraq, and jesus, armed to the teeth, along with the four boys, go in to rescue him. it's great. really fucking great.

but that's about it for me and jesus flicks.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:02 pm:   

Yeah, I saw that.

I saw The Ten Commandments in a theater in San Luis Potosi. All these young guys were making jokes about the miracles and plagues and shit, but there were these little old ladies who kept going Aiiee! Dios! whenever Moses did something spectacular. That was pretty cool.
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:08 pm:   

i've never seen it. the few jesus flicks i have seen have kinda pissed me off, so i tend to avoid them.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:25 pm:   

Well, see it with the right audience, as in the case of San Luis Potosi, and it may be amusing. There's good to be found in everything, ben. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:34 pm:   

sure is. i like when jesus dies in them films :-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 07:59 pm:   

I think the makers of Jesus flicks are missing a trick here. Look at Jason, Freddy, etc. - you kill 'em and they just keep on coming back for more, and so does the audience. It's a major franchise opportunity, plus there's the crossover potential - Jesus v Jason v Freddy v Alien v The Terminator.

Then again, it's nearly 4 a.m. and I can't sleep, so my mind's in a very peculiar place...
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:01 pm:   

in hell :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:08 pm:   

Well, sure you like it when He dies -- he's wiping clean your sin. ;)

Alan, yeah, mon. Jason v Jesus alone gets me all oogly. :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:13 pm:   

i do feel a special purity when he's dying, it's true.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:17 pm:   

PM, if there is a hell, I'm sure I booked my place there long ago. :-)

But I forgot Michael Myers. It wouldn't be a party without him.
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:19 pm:   

Alan, hell is other people :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:28 pm:   

Ben...y'know, dude! Yeah. You're a deep cover christian...or something. ;)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:29 pm:   

Hell is other people...like the Jesus-Freddy alliance.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:30 pm:   

I thought hell was the films of Michael Bay.
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:31 pm:   

Hell, I thought the Island was heaven...
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:31 pm:   

it's deep, deep cover. shhh. secret. i shouldn't even be telling you guys... but, well, lets just say, some of you should start repenting now.
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:33 pm:   

Deep Cover. Maybe Lawrence Fishburne will make an appearance.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:37 pm:   

Hail Marys, or do you take cash, Ben?
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:43 pm:   

...cash, like all good religious leaders.
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 08:47 pm:   

That's ok then, I always get lost after '...full of grace...'
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:00 pm:   

Lost? Is it because the image frightens you? Or attracts you? Or both?


I actually don't think I need to repent. Just being around Ben in cyberlamd. I feel clean already. ;)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:04 pm:   

I just forget the words.
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:06 pm:   

I can never forget them, thanks to dozens of sadists in cassocks...
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:07 pm:   

imagine how much cleaner you'd feel if you sent me cash, lucius. imagine how much cleaner you would ALL feel!

:-)
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Lucius
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:09 pm:   

I have no cash, but I do have this lovely ditnar...:-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:10 pm:   

I'll buy a copy of Black Sheep - will that cover it?
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:14 pm:   

ditnars are real classy, it's true.

by all means, alan. you can use it to beat off the enemy when they come to the door :-)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:18 pm:   

Nah, I'll just read it. I've got a nice weighty lead bar for self defence. :-)
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PM
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:19 pm:   

I'd go with the ditnar...Black Sheep is so far a no show :-)
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ben peek
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:19 pm:   

oh, well. reading. i suppose i can support that ;)
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Alan frackelton
Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 09:30 pm:   

It's good for the soul. :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 05:57 am:   

Anyone been watching The Tudors? I guess Showtime thought that if HBO could do historical T&A soap operas, they should get into the game too. They managed to get a nice cast (at least Rhys-Meiers and Sam Neil), but that still doesn't elevate it to being interesting. At least Rome wasn't tedious between the sex scenes.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:06 am:   

Being a sam neil fan, I watched one episode,but that was it.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:46 am:   

Last word on JC films...I can totally get behind the distaste for the Catholic church. At their best, films like JESUS OF NAZARETH point out what a missed opportunity the Catholic church really was. You feel like if they had just hewed to the spirit of JC's teaching's, things would have been lots better.

Here's an idea that I think would be a natural for Bravo: CHARACTER ACTOR THEATER. Each week, you take ten or twelve great character actors, guys who are well known, but not household names, and cast them in the great roles in theatrical history. Give them a chance to take center stage for a change. My first episode: William Forsythe as Hamlet. Subsequent episodes, Ving Rhames as Othello, Robert Loggia as King Lear.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:11 am:   

James Remar as Macbeth.

Steve Buscemi as Richard 111.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:30 am:   

That's an interesting suggestion for Bravo, Dave.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:36 am:   

Paul Sorvino as Willy Loman.
Patricia Clarkson in Long Days' Journey Into Night.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:48 am:   

Another good Hamlet: Michael Rooker
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:50 am:   

Sam Elliot as Henry V; Brad Dourif as Shylock
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 07:56 am:   

The guy from the crow, I'm always forgetting his name, as Iago or Mercutio or anybody.
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PM
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 08:10 am:   

I thought he was dead.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 08:14 am:   

Which guy from the Crow? Michael Wincott? He needs more roles.
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Dave G.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 08:54 am:   

See, now I think Wincott would be a great Richard III. Or Caliban. With Robert Forster as Prospero.
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 09:04 am:   

I said "or anyone."
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 09:07 am:   

Lucius, I just ordered "Fedra West" from Xploited. According to my sources, it's the Phedra story, with a SW slant. "Global Video" is the label of a South African fan who goes by the name "Naushad" on various forums. I may not get this from some time, as I ordered with it another DVD slated for an April 30 release, but I'll keep you posted.
Jean-Daniel
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 09:46 am:   

Thank, JD. Xploited has a whole slew of cheapish new SWs that I've never heard of. I hope it's good.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 01:44 pm:   

Speaking of SW, I saw a film called Wanted the other night, with Giuliano Gemma that was pretty good.

I just saw The Hill. Great film.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 01:50 pm:   

I was just looking at Fedra West on IMDB. It seems that it was directed by Marchent, which gives me doubts about its quality. Usually his films are about as low-budget as possible, with lots of horribly amateur fist fights etc. If I had a copy I would still watch it of course :-)
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Lucius
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 02:12 pm:   

I saw the Hill a while ago. Connery's best role.
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 05:47 am:   

Still no foot on Lost. Decent episode, but the more we find out about the Others, the more needlessly convoluted their plots seem. I think the writers are trying to hard to be clever.
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 07:08 am:   

I didn't see the ep, but I can almost unequivically say that yes, it was a gas mask. :-)
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Lisa Goldstein
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 08:54 am:   

_Lost_ fangirl checks in -- I really liked this episode. We find out some of the properties of the island, some of what the Others are doing there, why Juliet has to stay, and there's that nifty twist at the end. I bet it'll turn out that Ben has to stay on the island or he'll die.
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Jean-Daniel Breque
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 10:23 am:   

Re "Fedra West". From SW fan Chris Casey, on the Spaghetti Western Web Board:
"The FEDRA WEST disc is comprised of a less than decent print; but, all in all it is as good as it is going to get for this super hard-to-find title (in ENGLISH!!). The movie is a romantic tragedy--just as one should expect given that it is based on Euripides' play, THE HIPPOLYTUS, about Phaedra falling for the son of her husband. This isn't one for the action crowd, to be sure! But, personally, I like the early SW's by J.L.R. Marchant where he tries to retell classic myths in the Western format.
Another fine release and one I am incredibly happy with!"
JD
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Tim Pratt
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 12:48 pm:   

I thought last night's Lost was a cut above, too. I like Juliet's character.

I watch the postapocalyptic family drama Jericho on Wednesdays, too, but mostly because my wife likes it. I'm getting increasingly bored with the show, though last night's ep did at least give up some real information. It was dragged down by a couple of pointless subplots, though.

I saw Grindhouse, and enjoyed about the last 15 minutes of Death Proof, but otherwise wasn't thrilled. But, hey, I only paid 6 bucks for the ticket, and they even gave me free popcorn. Seeing Zoe Bell beat the crap out of Kurt Russell was pretty good value.
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Dave G.
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 12:54 pm:   

At least Jericho has Ashley Scott...
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Lucius
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 12:56 pm:   

Thanks for the report, JD.

Lisa, you're hopeless. How I feel for you Losties.'

Tim, I thought the middle part of Grindhouse, when Russell was on-sreen with dialogue, was the best.
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Brendan Connell
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 01:23 pm:   

JD - Yeah, well, I guess the thing is with this sort of film, is that it is probably good for the SW completist (like me), but might not exactly fly with the general public. Like I said, I'll probably get around to seeing it.

This evening I watched a really bad film called Si può essere più bastardi dell'ispettore Cliff? [Could one be a bigger bastard than Inspector Cliff?]

I'll be damned if I could follow the plot. Things were only kept lively by a relatively generous portion of bright orange blood and naked flesh.

On another note, last night I watched a really great film by Sergio Corbucci, the guy who made a number of good S Westerns. The film was called Il Bestione, and was about Italian truck drivers. Definately worth catching if anyone ever has the opportunity......

As for Grindhouse, I think I would almost as soon watch films like Si può essere più bastardi dell'ispettore Cliff?
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 04:59 pm:   

i heard with GRINDHOUSE that they're going to seperate the two and distribute them individually now? apparently not enough people paid money for a double bill of niche films, so why not get money twice from those people, yeah?

if it's true, at least it means i can just see the tarantino flick by itself though :-)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 05:16 pm:   

Apparently some people left Grindhouse after the first film, and didn't realize there was a second. That seems to be the claimed reason to break them up, but the real reason is likely that it's harder to get people to sit through one 3 hour movie, compared to getting people to sit through two 1.5 hour movies...and they'll make more from those two tickets.

Lost...despite my annoyance with it, it's still intriguing me, although most of that is thanks to Juliet and wondering what her angle is.
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ben peek
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 05:22 pm:   

i always like those claims that are based on peoples stupidity, rather than greed ;)
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Robert Devereux
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 06:28 am:   

Rumors say that Lost will get a flashback free episode on May 2. I want to believe that will happen.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 06:46 am:   

I might watch that one, seeing how I don't care about Hurley's meaningful case of childhood hangnail.
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Dave G.
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 07:04 am:   

The thing about GRINDHOUSE for me was 3 hours is a mighty big investment of time. In 1972, the movies were only competing with five or six broadcast channels, but with all the entertainment options available now, lots of folks don't want to spend their entire afternoon at the movies.
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Lucius
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 07:26 am:   

In other words, ADD... :-)

if it was a real drive-in movie, now...

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